LoadingReadyRun: Every OS Sucks

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Well, that was awesome and really, really stupid at the same time.

I dunno what the OS as such it is, on the Voyager probes, but that's the most reliable thing (with any degree of complexity) I've heard of, read up their history and you'll see.

Sincere outlaw:
Linux users still have this

Yeah, but how long did it take for him to LEARN to do that l33t manoeuvre at the drop of a hat...? ;)

rEvolution:
Sadly this video did not do the song justice. When Wes Borg did it live on DesertBus it was amazing, I think over production has actually sullied the song quite abit.

Hate to say it, but my thoughts exactly.

I guess Wes is probably more of a live performer kind of guy.

Jack and Calumon:

Google had an OS, like beside the Android they love so much?

Yeah, Chrome OS. Yeah, it looks alot like the web browser, and it's built on top of Linux. Holding a big press conference on it tomorrow, even though people have been running beta builds of it since they announced it... a year or two ago?

Music video was great, especially the stinger. Still kinda prefer the acoustic version played over Desert Bus, but this wasn't bad.

ultimateownage:
I saw this on desert bus, it's so trye.
And before you say 'Oh, but Linux is so cool and good.' no it's not! If the OS can't run a single bloody programme then it's not a good OS!

What you're asking it to do is run a program that is compiled for a different OS kernel. That takes a lot of work frankly. Macs normally use a virtual machine to do that (ie they need to run Windows) and it's the same the other way around. In fact Wine (the windows program environment on Linux) is by far the most elegant solution of the three. Linux has a lot of software for it and if you need Microsoft programs to run it's easy as pie to get older ones to run. Newer ones are a bit trickier but it can still be managed.

For a console comparison, why can't a 360 play PS2 discs?

Hashime:

I can run any program you want it too. In my experience the number of things you can get Linux to run is directly proportional to user intelligence plus a constant of 1 (for the shell).

In fact for shits 'n' giggles try running a Mac executable on a Windows machine or vice versa. In fact Linux is one of the only systems that can really do that consistently, I've got a few programs on my netbook that I basically forget are running through an environment.

Mydnyght:

Lastly, am I the only one on this thread who's actually heard of the VIC-20 before he played that song during Desert Bus?
(And I heard of it only from one of the Halloween 2008 episodes of The Angry Video Game Nerd.)

Nope. Not only do I know of the VIC-20, I actually used one for a while. My friend used one for some programming he was doing, and he had even added 16k of RAM via the expansion port. He traded up to the C64 when it was released, and then grabbed the C128 when it came out. We both had started our respective programming experiences on the Commodore Pet. He stuck with Commodore stuff, whereas I was more into music so I jumped over to Atari (first with the 600XL and then on to the 520ST). The PC side of window-based operating systems didn't impress me at all until I installed IBM's OS/2 version 3 on my old 386 system. I still miss OS/2.

dex-dex:
Did Tally make those earrings? they are so kick ass!

I did indeed, and thank you! Instructions are here if you want to try it yourself for whatever reason: http://nheilke.com/blog/?p=1627

Jandau:
Crazy Eyes Girl as Linux was a great choice.

Missie is awesome.

Lorechaser:
So is LRR related to 3 Dead Trolls?

Wes Borg also lives in Victoria, and has become a friend of ours over the past couple years. So there's some nifty collaboration now and then.

For the crafters here, Tally made a blog post about the ear rings in this video, along with a funny little write up about being asked to make them for this video...the night before.

Found here: http://nheilke.com/blog/?p=1627

OT: Great video, saw OS live on the bus and connected the blog post to it - Saw it coming, but didn't realise how epic it would be.

Keep up the quality work LRR.

Tally LRR:
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I did indeed, and thank you! Instructions are here if you want to try it yourself for whatever reason: http://nheilke.com/blog/?p=1627

If you have a look, I posted the same link at the same time as you Tally - Yet you are somehow faster.

You little ninja.

APPLAUSE

syltman:

Sincere outlaw:
Linux users still have this

That and it also doesn't suck.

edit:

blue_guy:

Which is a very bittersweet victory, as the only reason you get less viruses with Mac/Linux is that more people use windows (therefore it makes sense for virus designers to specifically target it).

There's a bit more to it then that, but that's the main reason why none hasn't tried developing one.

Unix based systems are playing a very long game of Russian roulette. Every time Apple brags about not having viruses, they put another bullet in the verylarge chamber and pull the trigger. And one of these days they are going to shoot themselves playing it.

I figured this would be awesome as soon as Wes showed up. And it was. Awesome song, Wes.

sigh...quite true... props to Wes Borg :D

Fantastic. ;D

Though i havent had a real software crash in years. Mostly from heat problems which i fix when i found out how to crank the fan speed up.

Love that Matt was wearing the "Evolution Kills" shirt from Questionable Content. Catchy song, might be worth a purchase.

lol this song is amazing. I'd put it on my itunes in a heartbeat

Matt was kicked in the balls in this video...I'm sure the rest of it was good too :)

Glutnix:

Sincere outlaw:
Linux users still have this

Yeah, but how long did it take for him to LEARN to do that l33t manoeuvre at the drop of a hat...? ;)

Eh. Probably about as long it takes to learn to use Linux.

That said, I've been a pretty staunch Windows fan all my life, even though it has it's fair share of problems. A month ago, my laptop with Vista got infiltrated by a virus, which I couldn't kill. So I reformatted to just kill the damn thing.
Vista didn't re-install.
So now I have a $1000 piece of plastic and fancy LCD screen sitting on my couch doing nothing, and I'm stuck using my Mum's crappy old Windows XP desktop. x.x

In fact for shits 'n' giggles try running a Mac executable on a Windows machine or vice versa. In fact Linux is one of the only systems that can really do that consistently, I've got a few programs on my netbook that I basically forget are running through an environment.

Uhhhh... what? I'm not aware of that ever happening as you seem to envision it.

Mac applications, while technically UNIX-based, are VERY different from Linux applications and I have yet to see one run on a Linux machine in any way, using any software bar virtualization software that all three OSes can use. It's also worth noting that Mac applications

Windows applications can run using WINE or CrossOver, but though that's fairly decent, it's not the holy grail and doesn't do everything right - and it's certainly a far cry from being in any way native in terms of support.

Obviously, Linux apps don't run on either system unless they're ported or virutalized.

Please tell me what you use to run Windows and Mac applications with that degree of seamlessness (unless by an "environment" you mean Virtualbox or some other virtual machine, which is in fact cross-platform).

On topic, though, the video was very cute and well-done, though I did see the sync a bit off. I honestly kinda preferred the original one on deadtrolls.com though.

Linux - pretentious elitists.

Sounds about right. Though, if that was true, at least 70% of the escapist members should be running Linux.

(p.s. the Linux girl was very cute though)

Lol I saw when they did this on desert bus.

SomeLameStuff:
I remember this during Desert Bus! Was hilarious.

I think I prefer the Desert Bus version though =/

Im not so sure. I like the visuals here...

OT:
:D i like it. Go Wes!

Folio:
Those references are great! Comparing operation systems with dates. A bit like the Mac & PC commercials.

What if you did the same with gaming consoles?

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF..... No

The flamewar would bring the sky burning down upon our heads, trolls mounting the roflcopter gun turrets as humanity is enslaved. Weakened by our centuries of in fighting that could be traced back to a single video many years ago. The Order of The PS3 the Xbox Alliance and even the underground Cult of Wii would try and unite together as brothers (Girl gamers make yourself heard over my sexist words here) to face the new threat but we would be defeated eventually, no heroes amongst these gamers.

Humanity would mine away at the internet dragging up more and more food for the trolls never finishing work until the trolls were satiated and the porn veins run dry, and still the voice of Wes Borg would ring out hollow and tinny from iron speakers high above the ground reminding us of our fatal folly as the trolls left our broken society to nurse itself softly into oblivion. Is this the fate you want for Earth? Do you want a console version of this THAT badly?!?

I... Uh forgot where I was going with that

Veritasiness:

Uhhhh... what? I'm not aware of that ever happening as you seem to envision it.

Mac applications, while technically UNIX-based, are VERY different from Linux applications and I have yet to see one run on a Linux machine in any way, using any software bar virtualization software that all three OSes can use. It's also worth noting that Mac applications

Windows applications can run using WINE or CrossOver, but though that's fairly decent, it's not the holy grail and doesn't do everything right - and it's certainly a far cry from being in any way native in terms of support.

Obviously, Linux apps don't run on either system unless they're ported or virutalized.

Please tell me what you use to run Windows and Mac applications with that degree of seamlessness (unless by an "environment" you mean Virtualbox or some other virtual machine, which is in fact cross-platform).

You should've left my name in the quote, I nearly didn't realise you'd asked this.

What I meant is that when the person I'd replied to said that Linux can't run anything he was wrong. Linux has it's own software and it can run older (or non graphic heavy) Windows programs in Wine without having to virtualise an entire operating system. If you look at it that way it's actually more flexible over what it'll run than Windows. Wine is neither a virtual machine or an emulator so I wasn't sure how to describe it, having had a peek it looks like it's called a compatibility layer.

I run Dawn of War, Mechwarrior 4 and Spotify regularly using Wine, all work and Spotify in particular works very well. I also run Microsoft Office on odd occasions and the odd other program, but for most jobs I reboot into Windows. I can run Steam too but that's slow as anything, netbooks for you. All of those programs can have icons made for them (obviously) that allow them to be run with 'wine' in the command, they'll open like any other program.

Macs I have to virtualise but I think there's a solution like Wine on the way out.

(CrossOver is much faster than WINE at a lot of things, especially Steam)

My mistake on the quote. The thing about virtualization is that Window and Mac can also do it, so it's not really a Linux-specific power - and even if Linux can run it, if it can't do it as well as the Mac or PC can, probably better to use Mac or PC. Linux has plenty of advantages, but I don't know if I'd count cross-compatibility among them.

Cool beans. Nice to see more of Wes too =)

theriddlen:
Truth.

I am user of all three systems (Macbook Pro+Homemade PC), and they all got huge problems.

Snow Leopard - Damn thing crashes very often. Maybe it's not the bluescreen, but there's no real difference - just a spinning ball, and freezed computer to restart. Problems with handling NTFS files, crashes 30 percent of times when i copy something to external memory of any kind. And my printer doesn't work there.

Linux 10.4 - Although it haven't crashed (but it may be because i don't spend much time there), there are many problems with programs, installing things is hell, and there are no noteworthy substitutes for many essential osx/windows apps. Working there requires knowing command line.

Windows 7 - Unluckily for this comparison i had to think a lot to find something bad. Just as Linux, when used normally, it does not crash anymore (last bluescreen i remember was in Release Candidate version, during installing of beta drivers), but when you make too much mess it will slow down - registry still present.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it make sense for Microsoft just to drop the Registry idea? I'm not sure if it's absolutely needed, but I don't think it is. Here's to hoping the next version only has a registry for older stuff, and new stuff doesn't need it!

As for linux, it doesn't crash but damn if it isn't useful for anything but internet service and general fucking around. It isn't even good for fucking around, there isn't enough fun stuff to fuck around with.

I think I must be the only person who didn't see this during desert bus. Stupid work. Their OS sucks too!

Man the stinger is great, Kathleen can be so mean if she wants to be!

I do like this version of the song... but when it was on DB first time... it was fantastic... this year it was for nostaliga and it was great... now...Its still good, but i didnt like it how you all added the middle bit, but I'll get over it I guess.....

But Borg had long hair! The cap was...awful.

Veritasiness:
(CrossOver is much faster than WINE at a lot of things, especially Steam)

I'll give it a go then, I may as well see if I can get it working even if I can't get rid of my Windows partition. Cheers for the tip!

Veritasiness:

My mistake on the quote. The thing about virtualization is that Window and Mac can also do it, so it's not really a Linux-specific power - and even if Linux can run it, if it can't do it as well as the Mac or PC can, probably better to use Mac or PC. Linux has plenty of advantages, but I don't know if I'd count cross-compatibility among them.

The main reason I prefer a compatibility layer to a virtual machine is that I do a lot of my work on low power computers and I've found that a virtual machine has worse performance than a program under Wine. I like Wine for speed of use as well, I do a lot of uni work on my netbook and only have my Windows 7 install for using Visual Studios and Expression Studios. Being able to open Microsoft Word and open a document without having to either restart or virtualise is a nice convenience. It's certainly not perfect but I favour compatibility layers for this and my friend prefers virtualisation, I seem to ahve an easier time of it than him.

On OSes; my brother told me once about some work he's doing as a sound engineer. He works with 3 computers in the system; one is a Mac, one is a PC and one is a PC running Linux; they are all new or new-ish machines. He asked me to guess which was the easiest to work with. As a PC lover, I of course said that the Mac was expensive bullshit and worthless, the Linux system was overcomplicated and the PC of course was flawless. I was surprisingly far off:
The PC's software was buggy and overcomplicated.
The (audiotronics) hardware that the Linux was compatible with was of very poor quality.
The Mac was a bit out of it's depth doing technical stuff; it was crashy and unreliable.

Speaking impartially, I believe this situation well describes the fallbacks of each system, and it agrees with the song too. Wes said it best- when you get right down to it, every OS sucks.

I approve of the choice of linux-girl.
Her cuteness shall prove once and for all the superiority of Linux!

On a more serious note, I firmly believe you can circumvent most os problems by using each product in a way that plays to their strength.
Apple OS for media consumption (through iPad instead of Mac, but still), Windows for gaming and office stuff and Linux for most of my cs projects.
Its not like anyone is short on disk space these days anyway and canīt use 2 or 3 os on the same system.

Actually kind of disappointed. I really like LRR, I really like Wes Borg songs, but meshing together... let's just say I liked the old Dead Trolls video better, it seemed to fit the song more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d85p7JZXNy8

But hey, if you wanna do remakes and music videos, please oh please remake Suspend Your Disbelief.

Good god. Best LRR ever.

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