No Right Answer: Manliest Superhero Ever

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It's kind of weird to take a character who is designed a strong, liberated woman, and then call her "manly" because she's strong and liberated; that really undermines the whole feminist vibe the comic is going for. The whole point of wonder woman is that women can have those traits as well; to call those traits "manly" basically implies that women can't be strong-willed or "warriors", doesn't it?

Hmm, lets see if I got this formula down.

KYLE! You barely put up a fight there! Sun cracks clay? Weaksauce, my friend. Weaksauce. What's the next debate going to be? Who's the more devoted protagonist ever? "Mario/Link VS Master Chief?" Pfft!

*leans back and waits patiently.*

Irridium:
The real answer here is Amanda Waller.

She makes Superman look like a bitch.

This. My god, this.

Have to admit, was rooting for Wonder Woman from the start so I was pleased with this outcome.

I have to admit though, while Wonder Woman seems more likely to the "manlier" I guess... I think Superman would win in humanity's eyes. The man that knows his strength enough to hold back when necessary and to beat the living shit out of people when necessary is a real man. If his planet survived, he'd just be a really hot dude.

So I guess it just defines what your definition of manly is...

Wonder Woman is more "muy macho" than Superman and Superman is more "gentlemanly".

I get the feeling that they haven't read modern Wonder Woman comics. In those we find out the clay story for Wonder woman was a farce to hide the fact that Diana is actually Zeus's daughter. I agree Wonder Woman is more manly then Superman and it's not just because I'm pro Luthor but he's a wimp as both Clark Kent and Superman. Superman is just a boyscout with meta powers.

How about this for an episode of No Right Answer, Most heroic hero The Flash Vs Spider-Man

Speaking of women, who has the worse luck with women in a movie series: The original Karate kid or Riggs from Lethal Weapon?

Choosing the manliest superhero... and THE GODDAMN BATMAN isn't one of the choices? Bah, I say... BAH!

DVS BSTrD:
Superman is invulnerable to everything but kryptonite. Wonderwoman can deflect bullets but can still be hurt. Overcoming pain is more manly.

Superman only has superpowers because of our sun. Wonderwoman trained to be in top physical condition. The self made hero is more manly.

Wonderwoman fought the Nazis. Superman didn't. Fighting Nazis is more manly

Case closed.

To be fair superman fought twin cloned Hitlers as an old man so that's something right?

Not really manly, or masculine it was more of macho.
If you have problems telling them apart, there's an Extra Punctuation about it.

Though now I'm thinking about what I believe to be manliness (Or what it means to be a man.) and if these are actually masculine traits or just good traits to have, that's mostly because said traits are basically responsibilities.

The manliest superhero is a 3 way fight between The Punisher, Batman, and Wolverine.

I kinda think superman is way too much boyscout, but he did a pretty good job of being manly at the end of justice league unlimited.
Superman Vs Darkseid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoJ2Bd41zsw

I'd like to reply to some of the goddamn Batman comments that the actual item was literally " Who is the manliest between Superman and Wonder Woman", but i'm to lazy to... oh wait.

Equal opportunity stereotyping. Huzzah!

I want to see a picture of WW with beard stubble in a sweat-stained tanktop & dirty Nikes chugging beers watching football in a room with cans & wrappers all over the floor.

I want to see Supes' outerpanties replaced with a tight shirt & heels on his boots, walking down the street loudly talking on a cell phone while carrying tons of shopping bags & fashion magazines.

The debate should have ended with Kyle punching Chris in the gut and shouting I AM A MAN!

Ehh Superman's never been about being GRRRR MANLY He's about being good. About being the best person deep down that you can be and helping others to do so as well.

He's a nerd who wants to help everyone. One of the greatest scientific minds on the planet, a dreamer who because of his powers can never just write or invent. He's there to save people.

On Krypton he would be a scientist. Its what he dreams of whenever there is him imagining life on Krypton.

In fact during the New Krypton story he was going to join the Science counsel but instead joined the military so he could keep an eye on Zod. Giving up a dream of his to keep others safe.

Hrm... have you guys considered Marvel vs DC yet? People generally seem to prefer DC, but Marvel has Deadpool going for it, and DC has some scars from their new 52 thing against it, so it'd be a fair enough fight if done right.

I'm impressed, making Wonderwoman stand out to be more manly then Superman.. didn't think it would come down to that but I admire Chris for putting up some great points overall. Still, I think Wonderwoman has her moments of being soft, like Superman (though Superman is more easy going, pretty much so.)

The most manly superhero I could think of is Ghost Rider. Seriously, the dude's fighting demons along with sending criminals to heck. How hardcore can one really get then fighting the after life's worst?

Well, seeing that Wonderwoman won this round, she gets to go up against the manliest of men from anime! KAMINA! From TENGEN TOPPA GURREN LAGANN!

My bet, half the world will be overcome by manliness by the time the debate is done.

I think that if sex-havings or sex-wantings don't come into the picture you're not really talking about manliness. You can be strong like a lion, you can be wily like a fox, you can be pretty as a picture, but I don't think any of those make you manly unless you have to deal with sexings. For that reason, I don't think that either Superman or Wonder Woman (for the most part) qualify as either manly or unmanly.

For referential purposes:

Specifically the quote, "What makes a man, is it the woman in his arms just 'cause she has big titties? Or is it the way he fights every day? No, it's probably the titties." And while I think the same can be said for a man having a man in his arms with a generous bait and tackle as well, the point stands that it's not just being tough or determined or good.

If you're going to complain about sexism and then say that thinking with your genitals is a man trait you better be showing.

Nice debate otherwise.

Also that picture of superman at around 1:50 looks kinda feminine.

Kyle's last argument about Superman being all man while Wonder Woman's technically a golem doesn't work any more anyway. They retconned it in the relaunch so she's Hippolyta's biological daughter by Zeus.

Great topic, and a really good argument with a logical outcome. I'd love more topics like this!

Yoshisummons:
What's next? To see if the Joker or Lex Luthor is the better hero?

Luthor. Hands down. Joker is only any good at destroying stuff and ruining Batman's day. It's hardly anything to work with.

Revolutionaryloser:

Yoshisummons:
What's next? To see if the Joker or Lex Luthor is the better hero?

Luthor. Hands down. Joker is only any good at destroying stuff and ruining Batman's day. It's hardly anything to work with.

Except the time Joker killed the European superhero Gravedigger and took his identity to investigate the supposed death of Batman, and fought crime alongside Robin.

Captain Hammer was not an option.

Disappointed.

Here's your topic: Best (or Worst) Hero Death

Firefilm:

rekabdarb:
Question is, which comments do you read. The escapist ones or the facebook ones?

Both, my good chum!

=O
Quoted by someone more famous than me again.
*Starstruck*

And as a suggestion why not do a star trek vs star wars.
Since apparently those two have 'sides'

Based on the the fact that tis video was to prove that you fellows do read your comments, I'm going to take this opportunity to call Chris out on a mistake he made.

Near the beginning of the video you make the statement that "that Wonder Woman may be female in gender...", which is incorrect. Wonder Woman is female sexed, as in she is biologically a woman, gender refers to the way that society defines how a male or female sex individual is supposed to behave. It is a common mistake that someone's sex is the same as their gender, but that is the product of our culture which had created the dichotomous view of both sex and gender and that both should naturally match up. There is also the mistake view (especially when it comes to perceptions of the GLBT community) that if an individual doesn't match up with one, than they must be the other.

So how I feel the argument should have gone is this:

Wonder Woman, being female sexed, has taken on the role of what is socially defined as a male gender role and is therefore the manlier hero.

I feel the need to thank you Chris for giving me a chance to apply information I learned in my Gender, Sex, and Age Anthropology class to comic books.

Don't they call Superman something like the Big Blue Boy Scout? So wouldn't that make him a boy?

I always wonder why they no longer do the Delicious and Refreshing Jones Soda Chug in these episodes. Probably a legal thing but it's something I miss.

Superman's a nerd, a badass nerd but a nerd nonetheless

magpie_girl:
Based on the the fact that tis video was to prove that you fellows do read your comments, I'm going to take this opportunity to call Chris out on a mistake he made.

Near the beginning of the video you make the statement that "that Wonder Woman may be female in gender...", which is incorrect. Wonder Woman is female sexed, as in she is biologically a woman, gender refers to the way that society defines how a male or female sex individual is supposed to behave. It is a common mistake that someone's sex is the same as their gender, but that is the product of our culture which had created the dichotomous view of both sex and gender and that both should naturally match up. There is also the mistake view (especially when it comes to perceptions of the GLBT community) that if an individual doesn't match up with one, than they must be the other.

So how I feel the argument should have gone is this:

Wonder Woman, being female sexed, has taken on the role of what is socially defined as a male gender role and is therefore the manlier hero.

I feel the need to thank you Chris for giving me a chance to apply information I learned in my Gender, Sex, and Age Anthropology class to comic books.

No, wonder woman clearly has a female gender. She considers herself female, she wears female clothing, everyone thinks of her as female, she even calls herself "wonder woman".

Again, you seem to be confusing "being tough" and "being male".

YES! YES, YES, YESSS!!! We I want MOAR!!!! Good troll, gentlemen, good troll.

Yosarian2:
No, wonder woman clearly has a female gender. She considers herself female, she wears female clothing, everyone thinks of her as female, she even calls herself "wonder woman".

Again, you seem to be confusing "being tough" and "being male".

To clarify what I meant by that, I was more trying to point out the difference between the terms gender and sex. More specifically that sex is biological and gender is social.

It's all about the Batman and Wolverine.

pathetic. Noone stands a chance against Rainbow Dash. if it were non-superhero, it's Kamina.

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