Mass Effect 3 Gives Steam a Miss at Launch

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Oh well, there goes my preorder. Sick & tired of EA pulling this kind of stuff; Bioware used to be a great developer. When are they going to figure out that I don't want their buggy beta Origin service with their apparent ability to ban accounts for no obvious reason? For a game I don't intend to play online, no less.

I agree with other posters; it's hard not to read that news as 'Valve won't let us spy on the consumer the way we want to'. Since when did EA need to care about when I patch my game? Oh wait.

I at least trust Steam a tiny amount. EA have not earned even that.

Use_Imagination_here:
You can buy an used console of the internet for 100 euros (or dollars, or whatever). Maybe consider that? Just a suggestion.

I actually do own a PS3, but the original Mass Effect wasn't on it, and I don't think 2 was even quite out yet when I bought it for PC. So while, it's actually not a bad suggestion, my desire to see what ME2 and 3 are like doesn't outweigh my hatred of Origin and EA's handling of it so far.

Sadly I'm one of those people who hates Origin and some of EA's recent conduct enough that I won't even buy their games, even on consoles, anymore until they stop being complete assholes. It's a shame too. 4 years ago I thought EA was making a shift to being pretty awesome by putting out games they never would have given a chance before like Mirror's Edge and Dead Space. Then they had to go and fuck it up. :D

I thought I'd post this up for my fellow ME PC players.

http://www.totalbantercommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=632

Ignore the fact that it mentions Battlefield 3, and just get an idea of the sort of steps that may be taken to do the same thing for ME3.

I'd expect a guide would be up for it by the time it comes out.

It offers a slight glimmer of hope that I will get the game. Very, very slight.

Metalrocks:

Baresark:
In all honestly, as long as it doesn't require Origin to play SP, which it does not. From what I read, you will need to verify one single time through Origin and then you don't need to use it anymore. And they are giving you unlimited installs. I don't trust EA or Origin. So, I buy a digital EA game I'm interested in through Amazon Digital, that way I always have access to it. I don't trust EA after the banning fiasco. I would never purchase anything through Origin ever. I either have it on Steam or Amazon Digital. But, after ME3, my interest has evaporated. I am looking at Kingdoms of Amalur, but I think I'm gonna give that one a pass.

actually, it does require origin to play the SP only. so origin will run in the background wile you play ME3. basically like steam that it has to tun if you want to play a game.

Source? I remember Dragon Age, Mass Effect 2 and I think Dragon Age 2 all needing to be activated online, but they didn't need to be connected all the time while I was playing, all that would happen if I wasn't, my little Bioware profile wouldn't update until the next time I was online.

Still buying this on PC on release.

Still going to enjoy it.

Still not going to notice not activating it on Steam but activating it on Origin instead because when I'm playing the game, the game is going to make me enjoy it or not. Not the platform that's going to hold my CD key for me because to me it really doesn't matter.

Scumbag EA:
Won't put ME3 on Steam because it's too "restrictive"
Only lets you play through Origin

amaranth_dru:
If this epidemic of horrible connections were true, that 95% of people who have internet lose connection a large chunk of the time,

Warned you of overexaggeration.

then how is it that WoW players can pull off 25-man raids without losing players to this problem?

Because a group of 25 people is indicative of the entire world's speed.

Because Otherwise other games that require constant connections would suffer the same problem (see: ANY MMO, multiplayer or Co-op game).

Yeah...wanna ask Team Fortress players how often they lose their loadout? Or have a few troubles...
Or any rubber banding in WoW - also a state wiper.
Or the idea that EA servers might be browned out - need maintenance - or anything else of that ilk.

That's not so bad when you're bashed down to vanilla weapons - but total loss of position? That's pretty bad.

I'm glad that you've been able to answer all the rest of the problems though - not just focus on one statistic that you can't disprove.

Yes brownouts happen from time to time

Boom. Savestate gone.

Otherwise other games that require constant connections would suffer the same problem (see: ANY MMO, multiplayer or Co-op game).

Thing is - they don't. They just need a connection when pulling stuff down from the main server - that allows for lag/brownouts and the like.

Might want to check on the broadband connectivity outside of Florida once in a while.

Scumbag EA:
Won't put ME3 on Steam because it's too "restrictive"
Only lets you play through Origin

thank you sir!

I think EA's forgetting just how much of an effect what services a game is offered on has on a person's decision to buy a game.

Bradeck:

Omnific One:
Well, can I just shutdown the Origin startup processes using CCleaner, deactivate my network card whenever I want to play to go offline, then play? Afterward I would manually go and shutdown Origin processes (including shared ones) before reactivating my network card. That way, Origin would never be able to send my information to EA.

Upon installation Origin does a cursory scan of your system. It also checks your registry for conflicting programs, or blocked areas. Same with most virus scanners, or updaters. Steam does it too, but it asks you if it can the first time you install it, and if you say no, it doesn't.

Well, I don't have anything to hide, so it's not an issue, but still a bit unnerving and it is something of a violation of my privacy "rights."

Call me paranoid (and I know you all are!!) but the first thought that I had was "hmmmm it's almost as if EA are deliberately trying to put off people who want to buy on pc......wouldn't be because console versions cost more?!"

First Battlefield 3, and now Mass Effect 3? I don't usually cry for anything, but this made me weep.
Where can I send angry emails to EA?

It would be a nice change of pace if people spoke with their wallet, rather than their typing hands and didn't purchase these games. I of course won't tell people what to do and have no business doing so, but it does strike me as odd that so many people get up in arms over things that, for example, EA does, but then purchase their games regardless.

Talk, yell, scream and shout - EA aren't listening.

Have some conviction and let your actions be your voice.

Oh dear. I seem to have gotten up on my high-horse. I'll just hop on down, lol.

Logan Westbrook:

Priestly also made it clear that Origin would be necessary to play the game on the PC, regardless of where the copy of the game had been bought.

I'm am so so glad I haven't pre-ordered this yet.

Oh well. BACK TO SKYRIM FOR ME!!!!!

I think EA is shooting themselves in the foot with them refusing to put their games of steam. Their losing a lot of sales over something that wasn't a problem for them before, but is apparently a huge deal now that they have their own digital download service. Its a shame to because I really like some of the series the EA has rights to.

It's actually Valve that's being the greedy company here (Or well... Both companies being the "greedy company" just Valve being greedier). The "restrictive" polices has nothing to do with spying, it has something to do with the delivery of downloadable content. Valve wants a slice out of those sales as well now.

Before you go off saying "But Dragon Age 1 had DLCs not sold by valve!" That is because they signed a different contract so it wasn't applied retroactively... Unlike Dragon Age 2 or Crysis 2. Didn't you connect the dots here and notice that Dragon Age 2 and Crysis 2 were both taken down the same time they released some new DLC? Although it's brilliant watching the amount of company loyalty you're showing to Valve by putting EA up as the bastards in this ordeal "just cause".

Valve doesn't have to do a thing and they will win the argument simply because of their fans jumping the gun and assuming it's the other companies fault and not theirs.

Ed130:

Logan Westbrook:

Priestly also made it clear that Origin would be necessary to play the game on the PC, regardless of where the copy of the game had been bought.

I'm am so so glad I haven't pre-ordered this yet.

Oh well. BACK TO SKYRIM FOR ME!!!!!

Ditto... Except that I ahd pre-ordered it. With Bioware's current track record and this. Goodbye pre-order!

well, few say that in the ME3 forum ( http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8975536/175 just one here at least) they have checked the activity of origin and said that it does check now only origin related folders. after germany yelled out, €A did change things. but even then, i still will not install this crap on my pc.
i just dont trust €A, im pretty sure they will stab me/everyone in the back when they have the chance.

was also thinking about the sandbox program, but its too much of a hassle for me to do when i look at this http://www.totalbantercommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=632 . i dont want to jump through loops just to play a game. better of not buying it and rather play max payne 3 which is also coming out in march. at least this doesnt require origin.

Congrats EA/Bioware. You just lost a sale from me and all of my support, present and future. I'm not going to reward EA for being a MASSIVE wanker with this Origin spyware shit. I tolerated these jerks for years, but now... nope. I hope ME3 sales fucking choke and/or that there is an insane amount of piracy.

It's a shame, really. I actually like the ME series too. Guess i'll have to deal with this in my own way. *sigh*

Waaghpowa:

Logan Westbrook:
"Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game.

Now does that mean I can run the game without starting Origin after the first time? If so, who cares if I have Origin? I'd never need to run it again.

Origin starts accessing EVERYTHING, including, I've seen, Steam when you hit the installer. Before you've even agreed to anything. It'll mine all your data in one big long glump (I would imagine that part of the install progress bar would be for that)

Goddamnit EA
jeez at this rate I'll need that on a macro

maxmanrules:

Waaghpowa:

Logan Westbrook:
"Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game.

Now does that mean I can run the game without starting Origin after the first time? If so, who cares if I have Origin? I'd never need to run it again.

Origin starts accessing EVERYTHING, including, I've seen, Steam when you hit the installer. Before you've even agreed to anything. It'll mine all your data in one big long glump (I would imagine that part of the install progress bar would be for that)

Apparently there's a way to limit what Origin accesses using something called Sandboxie

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/960869-battlefield-3/60145714?page=1

Second last post on page 2

Lucky me :)

I own ME 1 and 2 for the 360. Was thinking about picking them up on Steam Sale over the holidays for the PC ($5 each) and playing through it before the 3rd came out. Decided against, and now that decision seems even better.

Besides, Commander Shepard deserves a 55" screen ;)

Gather:
It's actually Valve that's being the greedy company here (Or well... Both companies being the "greedy company" just Valve being greedier). The "restrictive" polices has nothing to do with spying, it has something to do with the delivery of downloadable content. Valve wants a slice out of those sales as well now.

And Valve SHOULD get a cut of the DLC sales. Valve/Steam is paying to host the content, paying to advertise it and deliver it to you. Why wouldn't they get a part of the profits?

Think if it like a regular store. If Mass Effect DLC was sold at Best Buy, they get a cut.

EA is really starting to push my buttons. Bioware as well. Bioware are sellouts and EA are just downright evil greedy bastards. I'm really not sure I'll be buying this now. Until EA ditches Origins and online passes(Which is never) I will always hate them. Kingdoms of Amulur (Maybe Me3, but this is making me rethink my decision) is likely the last game I buy from them in the foreseeable future. The gaming industry has to be one of the only ones that actually hates the consumers and tries to make it as hard as possible to purchase and enjoy a game.

Double A:

Fayathon:
It's a good thing that my Shepard is on my 360 then, because I won't install Origin on my computer.

It's even better when it's on a 360 because you can buy it used, which gives EA nothing.

I'm not petty enough to screw Bioware just to get at EA, chances are I'll be getting a new copy of ME3, but I will be damned if I install Origin to play it, especially if EA're being douches about how the conduct themselves.

Beryl77:
Is this really how you want to get to move more people from Steam to Origin EA?
Origin may not be bad but there is no reason for me to go from Steam to Origin. It doesn't do anything better than Steam. They need to add some features which would make me think, that it's worth it to switch to Origin. Just having some games not on Steam won't achieve that. That's the wrong way of thinking in my opinion. Sure, Steam wasn't really good at the beginning either but that was seven or eight years ago. You were able to learn from Steam, while Valve pretty much pioneered back then.
Combined with you having a bad reputation in the gaming world, I don't see how it's benefitting for EA to pull off games from a place with 40million active accounts.

This is it in a nutshell for me. EA has had plenty of time to look at exactly what Valve does with their service, make as much of a copy as they can to succeed, and yet have failed utterly to offer one specific area in which they exceed what Valve's service offers aside from a few exclusive titles. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though) :) There's absolutely no incentive to give Origin more then a passing glance, imo.

I think more competition in the digital download services area is a wonderful thing, but each provider needs to step up with something unique to have it worth having/using. EA and Origin do not, sadly.

First they bitch about not getting their pretty dosh with used sales, so they ram in their crappy codes to their poor customers to unlock the full game, now they're bitching about Steam not giving them 100% of their dosh and they ram in their shitty little spyware to their poor customers.

You see folks?, that's how air headed corporate pricks should do their PR.

this is why i play ME on the 360, less bullcrap.

I was gonna throw siomething like this out there: 'Hah, another reason why PC is less user friendly' but I soooo wanna play Diablo III and Wings Of Liberty.

Steam doesn't come to me as restrictive. I am terrible at installing games on my PC if they are not original but I was able to install, play and finish the first Portal. Go figure. EA's move falls squarely into the 'Yeah, I knew they would do that' category. It's a dick move and I would want them to suffer for but if they do, Bioware will as well.

Sophie's Choice...

Fayathon:

Double A:

Fayathon:
It's a good thing that my Shepard is on my 360 then, because I won't install Origin on my computer.

It's even better when it's on a 360 because you can buy it used, which gives EA nothing.

I'm not petty enough to screw Bioware just to get at EA, chances are I'll be getting a new copy of ME3, but I will be damned if I install Origin to play it, especially if EA're being douches about how the conduct themselves.

Nothing against BioWare, but I'm completely boycotting buying new games from EA. I am also doing the same for Ubisoft until they stop hating the PC crowd and Activision for Bobby Kotick.

While I am a Steam user, I was planning to get a retail copy since I already own retail copies of ME1 & 2 and because I'm hoping for a good collector's edition.
I'm not too worried about Origin. I got Fallout 3 shortly after launch and I was able to quickly find a fix that removed GFWL from the game completely (It improved performance and reduced crashing). I hope ME3 will get the same treatment.
I'll do whatever I can to avoid Origin since I already chose a digital distribution program and I won't use multiple programs.

Has anyone else noticed that whenever a company has an issue with another company's policy, they play the blame game and accuse the other company of being "too restrictive" in some sense or another?

I mean, it happens all the time, and I'm pretty sure this is just EA creating another excuse to keep its games off of steam to promote origin without just flat out saying so.

Gods... Well lets put it this way: I've already pre-bought Mass Effect 3, so after that, don't EVER expect me to give you money again EA, you've basically been pissing on anyone who disagrees with you since 2008...

Now if for some reason another mass effect game comes out, I'll just have to circumvent paying EA.

octafish:
Once again, read their ToS/EULA and Privacy Policy, it is written in plain English. Of course I recommend reading the ToS/EULA before applying any updates to make sure the terms you originally agreed to still apply. If they change the EULA/ToS you have the right to revert the agreement to the one you first agreed to if you contact them about it.

Yeah I have read it, the vagueness of the wording doesn't expressly forbid them from raiding your computer, collecting and selling your info. If it were as plain english as you suggest, then they would explicitly state that they will not scan your computer, compile your information and sell it.

Vigormortis:

michael87cn:

Translation:

EA: Hey Valve, check out Mass Effect 3.
Valve: Cool game! Oh, it has spyware in it... well, unfortunately you'll need to remove that from the game before we can put it on Steam.
EA: LOL! STFU NOOB IM GONNA TELL THE INTRNETS HOW MUCH STEAM SUX CUZ UR LAME!
Valve: . . .

Oddly enough, that's a scenario that played out in my head when I heard this bit of news. Thinking on it as if Valve and EA were a couple of snot-nosed kids in school.

'Course, it's the same thing I thought of when EA started all of this PR bullshit back when they pulled the same shenanigans with Crysis 2 and Dragon Age 2. (for those who don't know, EA basically made any and all further DLC, updates, and bug fixes available ONLY on Origin. Thus nerfing the Steam version, and all other versions for that matter. Hence, why Valve removed those games from the Steam store. This was around the time EA started pointing the finger at Valve saying they had adopted "restrictive policies". Funny how, even after MONTHS of spewing this bullshit, they've yet to actually SAY what those policies are.)

Still, you typing it out mustered a few laughs from me. So thanks. Made my otherwise miserable day a bit better. (not related to the topic)

And as a continuation of my last rant, this kinda summed it up also.

Oh no. It's like EA doesn't want my money. Again.

Guess I'll have to make do by using a better service provider with frequent sales, a huge community, run by the equivalent of the benevolent Gods of this medium. The horror!

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