Future of PS3 Skyrim DLC Uncertain

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Okay. I am one of the PS3 players of Skyrim. I... got over the lag issues that I had (I figured out that a reset when it lagged up bad usually fixes things, and even though I have to do it every hour to 90 minutes of game play, with all Bethesda games pretty much, I've adapted). I was patiently willing to wait for Dawnguard, even until 2013 if need be, since I have school going now anyway and probably couldn't play another Skyrim character just now. The Hearthfire DLC... hurt. I am a house-lover, I admit it. I want. So. Bad.

But now, this.

Okay... okay. I love the game. So, if maybe I could just trade in my PS3 discs and get a copy of the PC version? That would help me get over this, a lot. I'm getting a gaming PC by the end of the year. Buying the game full price again just really hurts though. Because I bought it already - pre-ordered and everything - and it just doesn't happen to be the right version... which got made anyway. /sigh

Le sigh...so I guess I'll just add Dawnguard to the waiting list of "Not in my lifetime," right beneath the next Half-Life game. Guess this means I can safely remove Skyrim from my PS3 and free up a LOT of space. Bummer.
Maybe I'll go and get it for the 360 instead now.

Mylinkay Asdara:
Okay. I am one of the PS3 players of Skyrim. I... got over the lag issues that I had (I figured out that a reset when it lagged up bad usually fixes things, and even though I have to do it every hour to 90 minutes of game play, with all Bethesda games pretty much, I've adapted). I was patiently willing to wait for Dawnguard, even until 2013 if need be, since I have school going now anyway and probably couldn't play another Skyrim character just now. The Hearthfire DLC... hurt. I am a house-lover, I admit it. I want. So. Bad.

But now, this.

Okay... okay. I love the game. So, if maybe I could just trade in my PS3 discs and get a copy of the PC version? That would help me get over this, a lot. I'm getting a gaming PC by the end of the year. Buying the game full price again just really hurts though. Because I bought it already - pre-ordered and everything - and it just doesn't happen to be the right version... which got made anyway. /sigh

There is a silver lining if you decide to go for PC gaming rig, If you wait for steam x-mas sales I am 100% positive you will get skyrim from 20-30 bucks. If you are a hose lover there is also mods that let you go crazy with house designs. :)

FelixG:

Tanis:
Hey, if Beths hates money...that's their issue.

Skyrim taught me to never by a Beths game new.

From now on, if I buy one of their games, I'm doing so used.
I'd rather GAMESTOP get my money their these guys.

Derp, your game is good enough for me to play but not good enough for you to get payed for!

Classy.

OT: I feel bad for the PS3 users, but I respect that Bethesda came out and said that they are having a lot of trouble with it.

DERP "I have no idea what the first sale doctrine is but Gamestop scares me" DERP

:(

OT: SKYRIM: BEST GAME EVER CRAFTED BY THE HANDS OF MAN, VOTED SUCH BY THE ESCAPIST!!!!!

The PS3 has been one misstep after another for SONY. Making it intentionally harder to program for, giving it (fixed allocation) RAM amounts that would make an office computer burst out laughing, pricing it the highest of any console at the time, releasing it with low amount of launch titles, and then of course the whole PSN security fiasco.
I gotta hand it to em. Despite all the failings of it, they still managed to make people buy it, though there's no arguing that the other two major consoles, Wii and Xbox360, "won" this generation.

That Bethesda released Skyrim for it was, of course, a no brainer at the time, but I'm sure it has meant no end of headaches for them despite the money it brought in.
Honestly, I can't blame them from having the same problems now with the DLC; they probably worked very hard to finally squeeze the massive Skyrim into the few system resources the console had. And now with Dawnguard and Hearthfire they face the same problems again. More stuff that wants to use the already cramped memory. Hearthfire especially, since graphical customization in-game always eats up lots of it.

That's not to say that Bethesda don't sort of "owe" the PS3 users the content. Since they released the original for it, it's only fair that the expansions arrive there as well. The transparancy they're showing with all this is also commendable. It's better, and more honest, to admit now that they have problems then to release a buggy mess and hope to fix it later.. yknow, like everyone else is doing with porting jobs these days :/

Ya know, if this doesn't come to the PS3 I think I'm gonna stop buying from Bethesda.

I may not want the DLC anymore, but this is just the principle of the matter now. PC and 360 owners can get the DLC, but not the PS3 owners?

I call bullshit.

GAunderrated:

Mylinkay Asdara:
Okay. I am one of the PS3 players of Skyrim. I... got over the lag issues that I had (I figured out that a reset when it lagged up bad usually fixes things, and even though I have to do it every hour to 90 minutes of game play, with all Bethesda games pretty much, I've adapted). I was patiently willing to wait for Dawnguard, even until 2013 if need be, since I have school going now anyway and probably couldn't play another Skyrim character just now. The Hearthfire DLC... hurt. I am a house-lover, I admit it. I want. So. Bad.

But now, this.

Okay... okay. I love the game. So, if maybe I could just trade in my PS3 discs and get a copy of the PC version? That would help me get over this, a lot. I'm getting a gaming PC by the end of the year. Buying the game full price again just really hurts though. Because I bought it already - pre-ordered and everything - and it just doesn't happen to be the right version... which got made anyway. /sigh

There is a silver lining if you decide to go for PC gaming rig, If you wait for steam x-mas sales I am 100% positive you will get skyrim from 20-30 bucks. If you are a hose lover there is also mods that let you go crazy with house designs. :)

Thanks that's a good tip ^.^ I'm also really looking forward to modded Dragon Age play (squee) - of course I overloaded myself this term so... that's going to have to wait until break if I'm still in one piece by then, mentally speaking.

I think PS3 users have every right to be up in arms.
Personally I'm just apathetic. Even if the DLC is released, Bethesda will get no money from me. There is literally nothing they could do to make it up.

I personally own Skyrim on the PS3. I do enjoy it for what it is. I'm not going to cry if there is no DLC for the game on this system, but this is what bad PR can flourish in. By the time (if it ever) comes out, the DLC, I will have most likely moved on so far, I won't care to download it, much less play it. That being said, it would make it well worth Betheseda's effort to save face on this issue by selling it much cheaper or pass one of them off as free to the PS3 community. I know that might not seem fair to 360 or PC users, but so far a large chunk of players and potential buyers are going to pass up on it when it does come out, and from the sounds of it, that may be a very long time, if at all.

lancar:
Since they released the original for it, it's only fair that the expansions arrive there as well. The transparancy they're showing with all this is also commendable. It's better, and more honest, to admit now that they have problems then to release a buggy mess and hope to fix it later.. yknow, like everyone else is doing with porting jobs these days :/

It's a pity there weren't this honest when they released the pile of shit that was original game. What was it they said? Oh yes, it was "the PS3 version is getting a ton of attention."

FelixG:

Tanis:
Hey, if Beths hates money...that's their issue.

Skyrim taught me to never by a Beths game new.

From now on, if I buy one of their games, I'm doing so used.
I'd rather GAMESTOP get my money their these guys.

Derp, your game is good enough for me to play but not good enough for you to get payed for!

Classy.

Exactly. Nothing un-classy about voting with your wallet. It is capitalism at its finest afterall.

OT: Fuck Bethesda

PS3ers, Bethesda is doing this for your own benefit. They remember what happened what happened with the Skyrim PS3 launch. They don't want you to go through that again.

This is all really strange. When Skyrim launched everyone was up in arms about how the game is unplayable. Now Bethesda is saying, "The DLC is unplayable for a large number of customers, so we're not going to release it until it is." then about half of you respond with, "We'd rather have bad DLC than no DLC."

AzrealMaximillion:

tmande2nd:
Well the PS3 is notorious for being hard to use.

But honestly, this is just embarrassing.
If I were them, I would get it to work then sell Dawnguard to them cheaper.
Honestly they did get really ripped off.

Hard to use is no longer an excuse for a console that's been out this long. From Oblivion to Fallout 3 to Skyrim it has been Bethesda just not taking the time to learn how the PS3 works.

They're the last company still complaining about the PS3 when really small developers are putting out functioning games on the PS3.

And hell, they release shoddy DLC on the 360 as well. We all remember Fallout 3 right? Seriously Bethesda has a reputation in tandem with Obsidian for releasing not quite finished product.

And unlike Obsidian, Bethesda has no legitimate excuses. I feel pretty bad for the PS3 owners if only because they're missing out. Maybe they'll get the DLC discounted if/when it is released?

Bethesda also delayed releasing Fallout 3 and New Vegas dlc on the ps3 since they weren't up to Bethesda's standards, they then released the dlc with the exact same well known bugs and issues that 360 users had been dealing with and complaining about, and that was after the initial 360 exclusivity deals had ended. Bethesda has had a long history of the ps3 version being markedly worse, receiving little or no additional support, and then releasing delayed and still buggy dlc. I like their games but am getting pretty sick of the second class treatment.

I'm glad Bethesda is being so honest about this whole thing, but I have to ask, how in the world did you mess up saving the game? In a generation of games when amazing new technologies are being discovered and utilized, the save system should not be so broken that you first have to release a group of patches to fix it, and then possibly not release a large DLC pack because of it. Come on Bethesda, the PS3 is not a new system full of mysteries and strange dev tools that are wildly different from the PS2, it's six years old.

Tanis:
Hey, if Beths hates money...that's their issue.

Skyrim taught me to never by a Beths game new.

From now on, if I buy one of their games, I'm doing so used.
I'd rather GAMESTOP get my money their these guys.

Its not their fault you bought a system, and then bought a game for a system that is the hardest to develop for, the least profitable of the three systems this generation (meaning not many multi-platform devs are motivated to help it), and is inherently flawed in its design that is now causing the issues you're having with the game.

If you want to be pissed at anyone, be pissed at Sony for designing an inherently flawed product. Because this is almost 100% likely related to how badly the PS3 handles RAM and CPU usage.

I'm pissed, not because I can't get dawnguard but because of the, "we can't put all of our resources into one patch, we are working on Skyrim Sims". How about work on one product and when you get that together move on or have different teams working on stuff. You say that you can't do it because of problems with the original game but how about not releasing buggy products to us PS3 owners. You can say that because of the PS3 specs that there was a problem but everyone else has done well on the PS3 so what's the problem?

Paragon Fury:

Tanis:
Hey, if Beths hates money...that's their issue.

Skyrim taught me to never by a Beths game new.

From now on, if I buy one of their games, I'm doing so used.
I'd rather GAMESTOP get my money their these guys.

Its not their fault you bought a system, and then bought a game for a system that is the hardest to develop for, the least profitable of the three systems this generation (meaning not many multi-platform devs are motivated to help it), and is inherently flawed in its design that is now causing the issues you're having with the game.

If you want to be pissed at anyone, be pissed at Sony for designing an inherently flawed product. Because this is almost 100% likely related to how badly the PS3 handles RAM and CPU usage.

This would make sense if everyone else sucked at developing for Sony. It is their fault that they released a buggy game, then a DLC while not fixing buggy game and then working on another DLC while still not fixing the first problem

Watch them figure it out a few months from now and release both DLC Expansions as one package on PS3.

It'd be one thing if they were devoting time to solving this problem. But no, they're busy making another DLC for the XBox. Don't say you can do something you can't do, and then put it off for other stuff.

If this DLC is such an issue for Bethesda, why can't they just start from scratch and make a different PS3 exclusive?

Hmmm, isnt it odd how Oblivion was made for the PC then ported to consoles and it worked fine for all 3, then Skyrim was made for the 360 then ported to PS3 and PC and it doesn't work well for either of them? Hmm...

OT: I respect Bethesda for coming out and saying that they screwed up, and they would rather not release a product than release a broken one. That takes a lot of guts for them to do that. Although what annoys me is the fact that they would rather get the next DLC out the door than focus on getting the previous DLC working for everyone, I expect the same kind of issues with Hearthfire.... After all of this i expect them to release Dawnguard for 50% off for the first week or so, so that the people who are most affected by it, can buy it for a reduced price.

orangeapples:
PS3ers, Bethesda is doing this for your own benefit. They remember what happened what happened with the Skyrim PS3 launch. They don't want you to go through that again.

This is all really strange. When Skyrim launched everyone was up in arms about how the game is unplayable. Now Bethesda is saying, "The DLC is unplayable for a large number of customers, so we're not going to release it until it is." then about half of you respond with, "We'd rather have bad DLC than no DLC."

Thats because you assume the same party is making these comments. When they release crappy buggy game there is one faction that speaks loudly about how this is BS and they should have waited until it was polished. I they don't release and tell you the difficulty then you have another faction that loudly states we would rather have a buggy product than none.

See these are two sides of a coin that will get mad. So either way its a catch 22 for bethesda. Someone is always going to get mad.

shemoanscazrex3:

Paragon Fury:

Tanis:
Hey, if Beths hates money...that's their issue.

Skyrim taught me to never by a Beths game new.

From now on, if I buy one of their games, I'm doing so used.
I'd rather GAMESTOP get my money their these guys.

Its not their fault you bought a system, and then bought a game for a system that is the hardest to develop for, the least profitable of the three systems this generation (meaning not many multi-platform devs are motivated to help it), and is inherently flawed in its design that is now causing the issues you're having with the game.

If you want to be pissed at anyone, be pissed at Sony for designing an inherently flawed product. Because this is almost 100% likely related to how badly the PS3 handles RAM and CPU usage.

This would make sense if everyone else sucked at developing for Sony. It is their fault that they released a buggy game, then a DLC while not fixing buggy game and then working on another DLC while still not fixing the first problem

Almost every developer who develops for more than one platform will tell you that the PS3 is incredibly hard to work with, un-intuitive, and generally, unless you make the PS3 your lead or only platform, the PS3 version of your product will be inferior to the other versions.

Some examples include: Bayonetta, all the most recent Tom Clancy games, Oblivion, Skyrim, Arkham Aslyum and City, Mass Effect 2 and 3, Black OPs I etc. All of these games actually look or play better on their 360 and PC counterparts, all due to how the PS3 works compared to the rest of the gaming world.

Like for instance, the PS3 is actually incapable of having Private/Party Chat during a game like the 360 is, because of how it allocates RAM - its a rather long winded technical explanation (I think the best explanation was on PC Gamer and Kotaku, but the article was a couple of years ago), but the Cliffnotes version is that while the 360 has less RAM than the PS3, it doesn't place any restrictions on how its used; while the PS3 has built-in caps on how much can be used and when, and by what type of software, and it saves that for use even if that software/program isn't being used.

So while its possible for great games to come out on PS3, in order for it to happen the PS3 has to be your focus - which, with it being the least profitable and hardest system to use, isn't terribly appealing to developers.

FelixG:

Tanis:
Hey, if Beths hates money...that's their issue.

Skyrim taught me to never by a Beths game new.

From now on, if I buy one of their games, I'm doing so used.
I'd rather GAMESTOP get my money their these guys.

Derp, your game is good enough for me to play but not good enough for you to get payed for!

Classy.

Damn straight. Bethesda showed me their true colors. At least GameStop pretends to care about me as a customer.

lancar:
The PS3 has been one misstep after another for SONY. Making it intentionally harder to program for, giving it (fixed allocation) RAM amounts that would make an office computer burst out laughing, pricing it the highest of any console at the time, releasing it with low amount of launch titles, and then of course the whole PSN security fiasco.
I gotta hand it to em. Despite all the failings of it, they still managed to make people buy it, though there's no arguing that the other two major consoles, Wii and Xbox360, "won" this generation.

That Bethesda released Skyrim for it was, of course, a no brainer at the time, but I'm sure it has meant no end of headaches for them despite the money it brought in.
Honestly, I can't blame them from having the same problems now with the DLC; they probably worked very hard to finally squeeze the massive Skyrim into the few system resources the console had. And now with Dawnguard and Hearthfire they face the same problems again. More stuff that wants to use the already cramped memory. Hearthfire especially, since graphical customization in-game always eats up lots of it.

That's not to say that Bethesda don't sort of "owe" the PS3 users the content. Since they released the original for it, it's only fair that the expansions arrive there as well. The transparancy they're showing with all this is also commendable. It's better, and more honest, to admit now that they have problems then to release a buggy mess and hope to fix it later.. yknow, like everyone else is doing with porting jobs these days :/

The winner this gen was the Wii. Or did you forget the 360 got hacked as well, better than 25% of their consoles will die (or have died) due to the RROD, and reverse compatibility working for only a percentage of XBOX titles.

This failure is entirely Bethesda's fault. Though I am a PS3 owner, I am loving the hypocrisy of everyone on this site.

ANY COMPANY NOT NAMED VALVE OR BETHESDA: We screwed up things, and now content is locked to 33% of our players.
ESCAPIST: SCREW YOU WORST COMPANY EVER BOYCOTT THIS COMPANY!!!!!!!!

VALVE OR BETHESDA: We screwed up things, and now content is locked to 33% of our players.
ESCAPISTS: THANK YOU FOR BEING HONEST YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!!!!

Every time i read a story about Bethesda's work on PS3;

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I notice that at no point are they mentioning what the problem actually is.

Krantos:
Well, damn.

I don't have a PS3, but this still bugs me. I've tried to stand up for Beth throughout their PS3 woes, but I think it's getting to the point that PS3 owners have a right to be annoyed at this.

For the company to come out and say they may never get the Expansion on PS3 is, frankly, bothersome. Delayed is one thing. Not coming out at all?

Kind of bullshit.

Figure it out Bethesda, you owe your customers that.

PS3 owners (myself included) should already be used to this after what happened with all the smaller Oblivion DLCs that kept being promised but never materialized on the PS3, even on the GOTY edition, like Wizard's Tower, Battlehorn, the vampire lair one, etc. That's why Skyrim resides on my PC this time around.

teh_gunslinger:

Darkmantle:

teh_gunslinger:

Yes, how dare people complain about paying money for a sub par product. The nerve of some people!

It's a different story when the people complaining begged for it in the first place. But that's off-topic.

And to everyone else, this^^^ is what I mean. If Beth releases it, people will just whine, no matter how much the say they want it now.

I think you're confusing begging with paying for a product. People were asking to buy a product. They weren't asking to have it handed free of charge. It turns out said product is too bad for some peoples standards. That's a completely normal consumer reaction. Whoever made Dark Souls didn't make it because we have pretty blue eyes. They made it so people would buy it. Some people find that the game is sub par. Nothing weird or entitled about that.

To Bethesda, if it isn't working, do not release it. You should not have to deal with this ^^^

Save yourselves the trouble developers, trust me on this. Look to this example and know your fate.

Well that sucks for PS3 owners. Maybe Bethesda should ask for help from companies that know how exactly to utilize the PS3? Not that they would do that or anything, licensing issues and all...

Don't know what to say really, other then the fact this is a massive shame. Glad the PC version is fine.

Darkmantle:

teh_gunslinger:

Darkmantle:

It's a different story when the people complaining begged for it in the first place. But that's off-topic.

And to everyone else, this^^^ is what I mean. If Beth releases it, people will just whine, no matter how much the say they want it now.

I think you're confusing begging with paying for a product. People were asking to buy a product. They weren't asking to have it handed free of charge. It turns out said product is too bad for some peoples standards. That's a completely normal consumer reaction. Whoever made Dark Souls didn't make it because we have pretty blue eyes. They made it so people would buy it. Some people find that the game is sub par. Nothing weird or entitled about that.

To Bethesda, if it isn't working, do not release it. You should not have to deal with this ^^^

Save yourselves the trouble developers, trust me on this. Look to this example and know your fate.

Deal with what, precisely? Potential customers who actually value their time/money and evaluate a product before a purchase and then proceed to complain if said product is shoddy?

Good grief! Are you really suggesting that a consumer making a choice about a game being worth her time/money is a bad thing?

Skyrim came with some pretty huge PS3 issues as far as I understand it. I see absolutely no issue with people complaining about that. In my own case it ran decently stable on my PC and they avoided messing it up too bad with patches so I'm a satisfied customer. Not getting the DLC though.

On the bigger picture and Dark Souls: you seem to think that whoever made DS is owed something? They're not. Those who want the game will buy it and those who don't want it will not. I personally won't, until its price drops substantially, due to various factors.

As disappointed to hear it as I am, this is exactly what I wanted. Just a heartfelt update. Bethesda, thank you.

DVS BSTrD:
I don't think he means it would work some people and not others, just that some people would find the lag
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Is it weird that I can hear lemongrab's voice everytime your gif plays?

Fact is, Bethesda can't release a game that works anywhere. PC, if you have to mod it to make it work your game is crap. Consoles, if you need day 1 or week 1 patches game=crap. As much as I have previously loved Elder Scrolls they keep getting simpler, tamer and smaller feeling with more and more game breaking and fun killing glitches. The only reason I'll be getting Dishonored is Arkane's cumulative track record and the fact Bethesda's almost 100% hands-off. Count it guys, Brink-Rage-Skyrim. Bethesda's going downhill even if everyone will still buy everything they make forever.

Bethesda made something that doesn't work for PS3? I suppose this is only news since they're not releasing it anyway claiming they totally care about the PS3.

Hopefully Microsoft will get the point and stop paying them for timed exclusivity on DLC. Its just wasted money at this point.

Alternatively they should reward Bethesda's incompetence by paying them MORE to stop working on fixing the issue.

Sony couldn't give a shit either way I'm sure, and if they spend a dime on Bethesda to assist with this then, wow, they got trolled hardcore.

Nintendo continues to trip on shroomz, unconcerned with the petty affairs of this console generation.

Since it may not be readily apparent I own a PS3 and Wii. People seem to enjoy painting me as an Xbot just because I usually have nothing to say about my PS3. I'm equally disappointed with all 3 consoles thank you :)

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