The Philippines Outlaws Trolls, Cybersex

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EcksTeaSea:

Grey Carter:
According to comments made to The Sun (the newspaper, as opposed to the celestial body) the cybersex law is designed to protect young women from being forced into the "cam girls" trade.

I had no idea there was such a thing as the "cam girls trade". I wonder how criminals are operating that one.

Probably involves abduction, and maybe costumes. :/

Whatever it is though, its likely badddddddddddddd.

Interesting law to pass. Though, I think people will find a way around it or ignore it if they can help it. :x

Boudica:

Grey Carter:
Unfortunately for the nation's cam whores

That's disgusting and shameful. The kind of language I'd expect to see from someone not representing a company.

It's not acceptable. Don't use slurs to describe people you feel morally superior to. If you dislike how some people choose to behave while not harming anyone, or how some enjoy their sex life....

Good one Carter.

Thanks to you, we can expect yet another microblog to pop up.

Outlaw Trolling... Yeah, good luck enforcing that.

I don't see the problem people are having with this. Yeah, it sounds bad, till you step back and analyze it. Right, no obtaining and selling passwords. Cyber fraud, malware, alright those are good.

Then we get down to the controversial stuff. Banning cybersex is stupid, from my point of view, but theirs probably a reason. Cyber Sex cartels sounds made up, but I don't live in the Philippines, so I don't know how big of an issue it is. Personally, I believe its a way of expressing sexuality in a more controlled manner than other forms, but is still very risky and damaging to a person - you're never sure who's filming and uploading those exploits. I don't partake in it, but hey - to each their own.

The second one - 'makes it illegal to troll'. This is misleading journalism. Its not making it illegal to troll - you can still ask "Why is it called Invincibles Reigns if I can see it?". You cannot, however, go onto someones facebook page and call them "a cheating catch-ya-next-tuesday", with the intent of maliciously defaming their character.

And news flash - you can't do that in America either! Libel and Slander are both not covered under Freedom of Speech, so long as you can prove the the statements have no foundation in truth and were made with the intent of harming or defaming your character.

Theres a difference between saying "Jennie is a cheating bitch who has herpies" on her Facebook wall and saying "If the Sun is a Star then why is it a circle? Christians: 1 Athiests: 0".

Oh my, I didn't expect seeing this here...

Aylaine:

EcksTeaSea:

Grey Carter:
According to comments made to The Sun (the newspaper, as opposed to the celestial body) the cybersex law is designed to protect young women from being forced into the "cam girls" trade.

I had no idea there was such a thing as the "cam girls trade". I wonder how criminals are operating that one.

Probably involves abduction, and maybe costumes. :/

Whatever it is though, its likely badddddddddddddd.

about the "cam girls" thing... If I remember it correctly, they get women, usually minors, either by giving them false promises or abducting them. Then they force them to go nude in front of a web cam, while people watch them. In a way, it's just like sex slavery.

Boudica:

Grey Carter:
Unfortunately for the nation's cam whores

That's disgusting and shameful. The kind of language I'd expect to see from someone not representing a company.

It's not acceptable. Don't use slurs to describe people you feel morally superior to. If you dislike how some people choose to behave while not harming anyone, or how some enjoy their sex life, go ahead and ignore it. Don't spit out that kind of bile.

Nerd, geek, loser -- words you may be called for playing video games. Used by bullies and assholes to make themselves feel better.
Whore, slut, skank -- words you may be called for enjoying sex or being flirtatious. Used by morally condescending people and the occasional sexually frustrated loner.

If your personal issues give you the urge to use any of the latter, you lose the right to dislike, complain or condemn the use of the former. Words designed to shame and hurt have zero place here. Your stories would do well to keep your chosen morality and gutter slang out of them.

Its a joke, take it with a grain of salt and relax a little bit. The news posts here are informal as most gaming communities are and as such, they tend to place humorous jabs within their articles and writings. Whether you find these things funny or not is up to you, but it does not give you the right to dictate how the man does his job or writings. If you want a formal writing on what is occurring in the Philippines, I suggest going to a news site, reading an international paper or you could learn Spanish and read the law yourself.

OT: The entire country is a mess. That said, its going to be interesting to see how they plan to enforce this seeing as how they already have trouble enforcing some of their most basic laws.

karloss01:

thaluikhain:

Boudica:
Don't use slurs to describe people you feel morally superior to. If you dislike how some people choose to behave while not harming anyone, or how some enjoy their sex life, go ahead and ignore it.

I'm going to agree with that, that wording was out of line.

Thirded, bit strong for a news article don't ya think?

Hey guys, I've updated this post to read "cam girl" instead of "cam whore." The initial phrasing was meant as a descriptive term, not a derogatory statement or moral judgement. Yet, regardless of intention, the original wording could easily be interpreted as offensive, and so has been updated to reflect those concerns.

Outlaw trolling? I thought that was the point of the internet.

Mike Kayatta:

Hey guys, I've updated this post to read "cam girl" instead of "cam whore." The initial phrasing was meant as a descriptive term, not a derogatory statement or moral judgement. Yet, regardless of intention, the original wording could easily be interpreted as offensive, and so has been updated to reflect those concerns.

I wasn't offended by it in the first place seeing as it's a pretty common term on the interweb, but good on you for changing it anyway.

Mike Kayatta:

karloss01:

thaluikhain:

I'm going to agree with that, that wording was out of line.

Thirded, bit strong for a news article don't ya think?

Hey guys, I've updated this post to read "cam girl" instead of "cam whore." The initial phrasing was meant as a descriptive term, not a derogatory statement or moral judgement. Yet, regardless of intention, the original wording could easily be interpreted as offensive, and so has been updated to reflect those concerns.

Sucks people don't seem to understand context much. Heck, Boudica's "definition" of the words don't put in the context of those who use the words in stride, or people in the 'group' that like to use the words, or in case of 'whore/slut/skank' lovers that like to use the words in bed. It's all in the name of context that the demeaning is there.

But back on topic. While I kinda understand the government's logic behind the law, I find it flawed and ultimately a waste of resources to try and police the internet for trolls and camera erotica. The fraud/online theft stuff though? That's definitely something that needed such a law. Fraud/online theft is utter balls in how bad it is everywhere.

Yes because it dose not put money into the hands of the officially supported black market(that owns the officials). Go get them STD riddled under age hookers!

Well, there's one more country I'm never ever going to. Way to make yourself look even more backwards to the outside world.

Captcha: first world

Boudica:

maddawg IAJI:

Boudica:
That's disgusting and shameful. The kind of language I'd expect to see from someone not representing a company.

It's not acceptable. Don't use slurs to describe people you feel morally superior to. If you dislike how some people choose to behave while not harming anyone, or how some enjoy their sex life, go ahead and ignore it. Don't spit out that kind of bile.

Nerd, geek, loser -- words you may be called for playing video games. Used by bullies and assholes to make themselves feel better.
Whore, slut, skank -- words you may be called for enjoying sex or being flirtatious. Used by morally condescending people and the occasional sexually frustrated loner.

If your personal issues give you the urge to use any of the latter, you lose the right to dislike, complain or condemn the use of the former. Words designed to shame and hurt have zero place here. Your stories would do well to keep your chosen morality and gutter slang out of them.

Its a joke, take it with a grain of salt and relax a little bit. The news posts here are informal as most gaming communities are and as such, they tend to place humorous jabs within their articles and writings. Whether you find these things funny or not is up to you, but it does not give you the right to dictate how the man does his job or writings. If you want a formal writing on what is occurring in the Philippines, I suggest going to a news site, reading an international paper or you could learn Spanish and read the law yourself.

OT: The entire country is a mess. That said, its going to be interesting to see how they plan to enforce this seeing as how they already have trouble enforcing some of their most basic laws.

It's highly inappropriate to call someone a whore. Period. If a user was to describe a group as anything like that, they'd rightfully be met with moderation. I would expect the staff and individuals working for the website would also refrain from malicious slurs. The term whore isn't a descriptor and it isn't a hobby. The word is meant to degrade and to shame. Again, no place for it here.

I've every right in the world to give constructive criticism and I did; I pointed to something very wrong, explained why it is wrong and how to fix it. You not liking my constructive criticism doesn't give you the right to tell me not to do it. I worded myself carefully and did nothing at all wrong. If you want to attempt to defend calling someone a whore and consider it "humorous," you're more than welcome to. I am also welcome to say no. No it is not okay. Yes, it's incredibly offensive.

I think that there needs to be a little clarification here. Grey Carter missed the quotation marks in the original statement. Instead of cam whore which sounds as if he is judging the person, he should have used "cam whore" which is what the women who post pictures of themselves naked on 4chan are called. Yes, the term is derogatory; it is also word for word what they are called. The statement was not judgmental it was good reporting. Now, to use a bad analogy; Grey Carter called it a car, you responded that it should be called a vehicle because it sounds more professional, but everyone just calls them cars.

Boudica:

maddawg IAJI:

Boudica:
That's disgusting and shameful. The kind of language I'd expect to see from someone not representing a company.

It's not acceptable. Don't use slurs to describe people you feel morally superior to. If you dislike how some people choose to behave while not harming anyone, or how some enjoy their sex life, go ahead and ignore it. Don't spit out that kind of bile.

Nerd, geek, loser -- words you may be called for playing video games. Used by bullies and assholes to make themselves feel better.
Whore, slut, skank -- words you may be called for enjoying sex or being flirtatious. Used by morally condescending people and the occasional sexually frustrated loner.

If your personal issues give you the urge to use any of the latter, you lose the right to dislike, complain or condemn the use of the former. Words designed to shame and hurt have zero place here. Your stories would do well to keep your chosen morality and gutter slang out of them.

Its a joke, take it with a grain of salt and relax a little bit. The news posts here are informal as most gaming communities are and as such, they tend to place humorous jabs within their articles and writings. Whether you find these things funny or not is up to you, but it does not give you the right to dictate how the man does his job or writings. If you want a formal writing on what is occurring in the Philippines, I suggest going to a news site, reading an international paper or you could learn Spanish and read the law yourself.

OT: The entire country is a mess. That said, its going to be interesting to see how they plan to enforce this seeing as how they already have trouble enforcing some of their most basic laws.

It's highly inappropriate to call someone a whore. Period. If a user was to describe a group as anything like that, they'd rightfully be met with moderation. I would expect the staff and individuals working for the website would also refrain from malicious slurs. The term whore isn't a descriptor and it isn't a hobby. The word is meant to degrade and to shame. Again, no place for it here.

I've every right in the world to give constructive criticism and I did; I pointed to something very wrong, explained why it is wrong and how to fix it. You not liking my constructive criticism doesn't give you the right to tell me not to do it. I worded myself carefully and did nothing at all wrong. If you want to attempt to defend calling someone a whore and consider it "humorous," you're more than welcome to. I am also welcome to say no. No it is not okay. Yes, it's incredibly offensive.

He didn't call anyone a whore though. There is no specific group or gender or race or anything who is left being targeted by that phrase. He used the word in a descriptive manner to give us a stereotypical image of who is effected by this law. In this case, we imagine the duck facing teenagers who are constantly posting images of themselves with statues that say "OMG! im so fat!". Its not a group of people and it isn't a single person. Its a stereotype, a stock character, a ludicrous idea that we use not as an insult, but to laugh at the sheer absurdity of someone actually acting like that. Yes, there are some people who act that way, in the same way that there are actual hipsters who use the phrase "too mainstream", but I highly doubt many of them will be "insulted" by what Mr.Carter said and I doubt they even crossed Mr. Carter's mind when he wrote it down. Heck, you did the same thing when you wrote a stereotypical description of people who use the words like whore, slut or skank. You created an absurd stereotypical image that is meant to convey an image of a goody two shoes individual. And you know what? I'm sure there are people in this world who would still take offense at your definition.

True, you do have the right to give constructive criticism, but I am not seeing the same issue from my point of view. You're giving far too much power to the word and you're allowing it to be offensive when its not even being used as an insult, but as an internet meme.

maddawg IAJI:

Boudica:

maddawg IAJI:

Its a joke, take it with a grain of salt and relax a little bit. The news posts here are informal as most gaming communities are and as such, they tend to place humorous jabs within their articles and writings. Whether you find these things funny or not is up to you, but it does not give you the right to dictate how the man does his job or writings. If you want a formal writing on what is occurring in the Philippines, I suggest going to a news site, reading an international paper or you could learn Spanish and read the law yourself.

OT: The entire country is a mess. That said, its going to be interesting to see how they plan to enforce this seeing as how they already have trouble enforcing some of their most basic laws.

It's highly inappropriate to call someone a whore. Period. If a user was to describe a group as anything like that, they'd rightfully be met with moderation. I would expect the staff and individuals working for the website would also refrain from malicious slurs. The term whore isn't a descriptor and it isn't a hobby. The word is meant to degrade and to shame. Again, no place for it here.

I've every right in the world to give constructive criticism and I did; I pointed to something very wrong, explained why it is wrong and how to fix it. You not liking my constructive criticism doesn't give you the right to tell me not to do it. I worded myself carefully and did nothing at all wrong. If you want to attempt to defend calling someone a whore and consider it "humorous," you're more than welcome to. I am also welcome to say no. No it is not okay. Yes, it's incredibly offensive.

He didn't call anyone a whore though. There is no specific group or gender or race or anything who is left being targeted by that phrase. He used the word in a descriptive manner to give us a stereotypical image of who is effected by this law. In this case, we imagine the duck facing teenagers who are constantly posting images of themselves with statues that say "OMG! im so fat!". Its not a group of people and it isn't a single person. Its a stereotype, a stock character, a ludicrous idea that we use not as an insult, but to laugh at the sheer absurdity of someone actually acting like that. Yes, there are some people who act that way, in the same way that there are actual hipsters who use the phrase "too mainstream", but I highly doubt many of them will be "insulted" by what Mr.Carter said and I doubt they even crossed Mr. Carter's mind when he wrote it down. Heck, you did the same thing when you wrote a stereotypical description of people who use the words like whore, slut or skank. You created an absurd stereotypical image that is meant to convey an image of a goody two shoes individual. And you know what? I'm sure there are people in this world who would still take offense at your definition.

True, you do have the right to give constructive criticism, but I am not seeing the same issue from my point of view. You're giving far too much power to the word and you're allowing it to be offensive when its not even being used as an insult, but as an internet meme.

If you entered a thread and used the terms nerd, geek or loser, justifying it by saying it's a genuine descriptor for people that are into technology, you'd be laughed at and hit the a warning. If you do the same thing with cam whore in its place, you should also cop the penalty.

It is exceptionally offensive to women and it's not okay. Do not use it to describe someone. Simple. We had this conversation not long ago and Susan clarified; you are not to use words or phrases that can be reasonably believed to be offensive -- you don't call a friend "nigger" here, even if you two genuinely use it in casual conversation. If you call someone a whore, you are being offensive. I don't make a thread and throw around loser, geek and nerd, hiding behind the inane excuse that I didn't aim it at anyone specifically.

Microsoft is changing their EULA? Too bad for all the losers and nerds.

Stereotyping your target and pretending it's normal to slander and degrade certain people doesn't make it any better. Don't even try to act like it does.

Uber Waddles:
Then we get down to the controversial stuff. Banning cybersex is stupid, from my point of view, but theirs probably a reason. Cyber Sex cartels sounds made up, but I don't live in the Philippines, so I don't know how big of an issue it is. Personally, I believe its a way of expressing sexuality in a more controlled manner than other forms, but is still very risky and damaging to a person - you're never sure who's filming and uploading those exploits. I don't partake in it, but hey - to each their own.

Just a clarification, the qualifier "for favor or consideration" is at the end of that section is added for a reason, it means it can't be done in exchange for payment. They're not outlawing what people can do over skype/yahoo/etc. with each other, only that they can't do it for pay. HUGE difference.

captcha: needs, must *really?*

Mattlore:

EcksTeaSea:

Grey Carter:
According to comments made to The Sun (the newspaper, as opposed to the celestial body) the cybersex law is designed to protect young women from being forced into the "cam girls" trade.

I had no idea there was such a thing as the "cam girls trade". I wonder how criminals are operating that one.

I guess it's like how internet trolls blackmail women into exposing themselves on camera here. It wouldn't take a whole lot. Just some coercion, threats of information (Be it personal or professional) to be leaked to unauthorized sources, or even tracking someone via IP address and threatening physical harm to them.

There's a legit side to it too.

Boudica:

maddawg IAJI:

Boudica:
It's highly inappropriate to call someone a whore. Period. If a user was to describe a group as anything like that, they'd rightfully be met with moderation. I would expect the staff and individuals working for the website would also refrain from malicious slurs. The term whore isn't a descriptor and it isn't a hobby. The word is meant to degrade and to shame. Again, no place for it here.

I've every right in the world to give constructive criticism and I did; I pointed to something very wrong, explained why it is wrong and how to fix it. You not liking my constructive criticism doesn't give you the right to tell me not to do it. I worded myself carefully and did nothing at all wrong. If you want to attempt to defend calling someone a whore and consider it "humorous," you're more than welcome to. I am also welcome to say no. No it is not okay. Yes, it's incredibly offensive.

He didn't call anyone a whore though. There is no specific group or gender or race or anything who is left being targeted by that phrase. He used the word in a descriptive manner to give us a stereotypical image of who is effected by this law. In this case, we imagine the duck facing teenagers who are constantly posting images of themselves with statues that say "OMG! im so fat!". Its not a group of people and it isn't a single person. Its a stereotype, a stock character, a ludicrous idea that we use not as an insult, but to laugh at the sheer absurdity of someone actually acting like that. Yes, there are some people who act that way, in the same way that there are actual hipsters who use the phrase "too mainstream", but I highly doubt many of them will be "insulted" by what Mr.Carter said and I doubt they even crossed Mr. Carter's mind when he wrote it down. Heck, you did the same thing when you wrote a stereotypical description of people who use the words like whore, slut or skank. You created an absurd stereotypical image that is meant to convey an image of a goody two shoes individual. And you know what? I'm sure there are people in this world who would still take offense at your definition.

True, you do have the right to give constructive criticism, but I am not seeing the same issue from my point of view. You're giving far too much power to the word and you're allowing it to be offensive when its not even being used as an insult, but as an internet meme.

If you entered a thread and used the terms nerd, geek or loser, justifying it by saying it's a genuine descriptor for people that are into technology, you'd be laughed at and hit the a warning. If you do the same thing with cam whore in its place, you should also cop the penalty.

It is exceptionally offensive to women and it's not okay. Do not use it to describe someone. Simple. We had this conversation not long ago and Susan clarified; you are not to use words or phrases that can be reasonably believed to be offensive -- you don't call a friend "nigger" here, even if you two genuinely use it in casual conversation. If you call someone a whore, you are being offensive. I don't make a thread and throw around loser, geek and nerd, hiding behind the inane excuse that I didn't aim it at anyone specifically.

Microsoft is changing their EULA? Too bad for all the losers and nerds.

Stereotyping your target and pretending it's normal to slander and degrade certain people doesn't make it any better. Don't even try to act like it does.

I... have to agree. That was a bit cringe worthy. "Cam Prostitutes" would have, maybe, been acceptable to see, since that's a descriptor accurate to what the law was talking about, but yeah, what was there was a bit much, glad it's been changed.

DVS BSTrD:
Yeah, because it's the cyber sex trade that's the real problem in the Philippines -_-

This.

**head desk**

Really? They're worried about women being forced to be "Cam Girls?"

What about the girls forced to be ACTUAL prostitutes against their will? What are you doing about that, Philippines Government?

Absolutely fucking nothing is the answer to that question.

**head desks again**

Bara_no_Hime:

DVS BSTrD:
Yeah, because it's the cyber sex trade that's the real problem in the Philippines -_-

This.

**head desk**

Really? They're worried about women being forced to be "Cam Girls?"

What about the girls forced to be ACTUAL prostitutes against their will? What are you doing about that, Philippines Government?

Absolutely fucking nothing is the answer to that question.

**head desks again**

And it's not just the girls, there's a reason that the filippino boy slave is a cliche.

I like how everyone got offended at the cam-whore business.
That's how they are called, darlings.
That's how they call THEMSELVES.

How dare you call [women who provide random people on the internet personalised one on one pornography (ie. sexual gratification) for money] cam-whores!

The politically correct term is cam-escort.

The cyber-sex thing I get, there are really way to many genitals in the internet as it is, but trolls? I mean, c'mon.

Good to know that the Philippines is at the forefront of passing authoritarian censorship laws. I'm guessing that many of the "trolls" will be arrested, because they were "trolling" about the government's policies or "trolling" about corruption in the police and military forces.

You know I'm much less sympathetic towards their territorial dispute with China, if these are the kind of laws they are passing.

saintdane05:
But... now where can I enjoy my yiffing?

There are still plenty of other yiffers to choose from. The rest of the world is your insanely creepy oyster.

OT: Hmm, I agree with the trolling to a point, somethings that trolls say are clearly way over the line, but it's all about perspective in some cases. As for the cam girls thing, I gotta say I think it's better if the minority who did it through choice can't do it anymore rather than keep the majority who didn't want to in that position.

Seems like a third world country trying to act relevent by policing it's technology, without any real clue of what it's doing. Basically aping what first world countries are examining and making a ruling so they can show that they can. Sad but true.

That point which some people will probably not like aside, let's examine this.

1. Despite what a lot of Americans believe the entire world has substantially less freedom than the US to begin with, including most "enlightened" first world nations that are compared to the US favorably without much actual information. Claiming that certain things curtail a freedom of speech doesn't make much sense unless a given people has the same kind of fundemental guarantee that the US has (where it was one of our founding principles). This also incidently makes it easier for many nations to pass sweeping laws of this sort, since they don't have to worry about the same issues to the same degree. Most countries with free speech laws don't have them enshrined as a basic, fundemental principle, the way the US does.

That point aside, the law that will prevent trolling is more or less irrelevent. Unless their definition of slander/libel works far differantly in practice than that of the US, your dealing with what is fundementally an unenforcable law, no matter what sentence is attached to it.

The reason for this is simple, you need to prove that the guy engaged in slander or libel is making something up, and had no reason to believe what they were saying was true. If some guy can justify why he thought such a thing it's more or less a non-issue. A simple rumor can be used as a defense, unless you can prove the guy being prosecuted started it, or even then have to prove that he had no logical reason to believe what he did. Companies and individuals who do contreversial or unpopular things and keep the truth close to themselves effectively make themselves victims. All of this (believe it or not) is a big part of why you don't see slander and libel suits being thrown around left and right.

Basically what the Phillipines is doing is threatening a 12 year prison sentence as a deterrant, and reinforcing that such laws apply to computers, they still apparently have to prove libel, but can use someone doing it with a computer as an aggravating circumstance for a more severe sentence. In the end trying to actually enforce this would probably bankrupt their court system. Journalists and those who act as sources actually have more to worry about here than your typical troll.

2. When it comes to the entire "cybersex" thing I think it's doomed. I also think a lot of people are not thinking this through, it seems to me like a classic back door measure from the way it's defined. It's morality law.

The way this reads they could pretty much outlaw any porn movie that used digital editing or camera equipment (working through computers/hard drives/etc...) and indeed any movie with adult material. I think THAT is the intent more than anything here, despite how the law appears.

The Phillipines having something of a reputation as being one of those sexual wild wests despite any domestic laws on the subject. It's a place you can order custom "art movies" from as well as a common destination for sexual tourists who want to solicit prostitutes, or bring children outside of their country to have sex, or whatever else. Deserved or not, it's up there with a few other countries/regions. This could be intended to curtail this entire area of behavior.

As far as "Cam Girls" go,it can be complicated. You do indeed have virtual peep shows where instead of a booth girls do things in front of a web cam for an audience. However when the term "Cam Girl" as opposed to "Cam Whore" is used semi-officially a differant meaning tends to arise, even if the common vernacular makes them interchangable.

Your typical Cam Girl is a predator who hangs out on sites frequented by nerds and lonely guys. They act friendly through chat, eventually arrange a "face to face" via Camera, and then gradually start giving sob stories, as a way of soliciting money, gifts, and other things. Sometimes this can overlap with flirting or people showing off their naughty bits and such, but for the most part it refers to a differant kind of con. This kind of thing is a big part of why there is so much distrust of "geek and gamer girls" especially those that are attractive. When caught some of these girls wind up on sites like "Encyclopedia Dramatica" in one form or another by way of payback.

At any rate, I'd imagine if the target is cam girls (which this law won't really work for, for reasons I probably don't have to explain, among them the nessecity of sexual material) it's because you had a lot of guys getting POed about being scammed and complaining about it. Basically if some girl begs stuff off of you after forming a connection, you comply, and then find out she does nothing but sit around all day begging gifts off of a circle of differant people, perhaps with differant stories, your going to be rather upset.

I seem to remember years ago there was a failed attempt to legislate away "gift lists" on sites like Amazon.com and other virtual merchants, as they were heavily exploited by cam-girls as a way of people sending them things behind a veil of relative anonimity.

The big differance is your typical cam-girl is more of a con-artist, or cyberspace grifter, preying on vulnerable and lonely guys. Sex might not be involved. Cam-whores are self explanitory. The two can overlap, but that's not a given. In cases where something overlaps you might find an underage girl who feels safe on the internet (as an example) showing off her goods in exchange for presents. In many cases I've heard alleged "cyber molestors", are lonely people with a lack of willpower, with it being the girls who initiate such things feeling safe behind the internet, and enjoying the presents they get, and then claiming victimization when they are caught. Of course there are millions of variations, I'm sure we've all heard the stories in all directions.

RicoADF:

Boudica:

Grey Carter:
Unfortunately for the nation's cam whores

That's disgusting and shameful. The kind of language I'd expect to see from someone not representing a company.

It's not acceptable. Don't use slurs to describe people you feel morally superior to. If you dislike how some people choose to behave while not harming anyone, or how some enjoy their sex life, go ahead and ignore it. Don't spit out that kind of bile.

Nerd, geek, loser -- words you may be called for playing video games. Used by bullies and assholes to make themselves feel better.
Whore, slut, skank -- words you may be called for enjoying sex or being flirtatious. Used by morally condescending people and the occasional sexually frustrated loner.

If your personal issues give you the urge to use any of the latter, you lose the right to dislike, complain or condemn the use of the former. Words designed to shame and hurt have zero place here. Your stories would do well to keep your chosen morality and gutter slang out of them.

OT: The Philippines has an infamously high level of sex trade slaves, including in the internet cam show industry. While some people (and I use the term lightly) traffic women into physical prostitution, the "cam show" industry is much less risky to get into and has seen a large influx in money coming its way lately. Since 9/11 and the terrorist attacks throughout Asia, tourism has sunk drastically and countries and businesses that relied on it, are looking for other ways to make up the gap and the sex trade is one of them. With the ever increasing availability of the internet, people seeking to get their sexual fix are meet with a larger and larger market. Cam shows are an easy way to make instant money and they sucker people into spending a lot of it. You don't require people to come to your country, anybody around the world can get to your slaves and credit cards remove the need for physical money to ever trade hands.

The government is trying to make it less easy for them to get into and less profitable. No sense coming down on one avenue if they can run into another. They're going about it crudely and, I'd wager, ineffectively, but don't dismiss the intent because you fail to understand the cause.

Agreed, completely unprofessional and undermining the fact that there's a serious issue that the Philippines government is trying to fix. Different society, culture and problems then say the US (for example) face everyday.

Another reason they passed this law is because its election next year and those politicians want to looking good or in local terms "pagpapapogi" in the eyes of the voters.

You know what guys I'm not gonna defend my country with this bullshit law because it will never work (like everything else in this wretched hive). It can easily bypassed or find a work around in say a couple of days or weeks, so back to square one. Nice work President Aquino!

Another is will it affect the ordinary Filipino such myself and those who are less fortunate that lives on the street or under the bridges to name a few?

No, because unless my government can somehow get their shit together those cam girls and cam whores will use that venue as a source of income.

And Greg I appreciate you reporting this. Thank you.

While I do approve of the law against 'cyber-sex', I'm a little confused as to why you'd get 12 years just for trolling.

maddawg IAJI:
You could learn Spanish and read the law yourself.

Just a heads up, we don't speak Spanish in the Philippines. I hope you didn't know that. Also I don't really like it when the country I come from is bad-mouthed, no matter what kind of statement it is. It sort of makes me upset. =/

maddawg IAJI:
The entire country is a mess. That said, its going to be interesting to see how they plan to enforce this seeing as how they already have trouble enforcing some of their most basic laws.

Mattlore:
Oh I am well aware that there are girls that do it willingly, it just seemed like the main point of this: "designed to protect young women from being forced into the "cam girls" trade." was pertaining to girls that aren't doing it willingly.

Coercion was illegal in the first place and if they had any serious intent then they would deal with that problem appropriately, the only thing they did now is make victims legally liable not to mention kill the entire fair trade part at the same time.

Tackling problems ass first, always a great idea.

Mr.K.:

Mattlore:
Oh I am well aware that there are girls that do it willingly, it just seemed like the main point of this: "designed to protect young women from being forced into the "cam girls" trade." was pertaining to girls that aren't doing it willingly.

Coercion was illegal in the first place and if they had any serious intent then they would deal with that problem appropriately, the only thing they did now is make victims legally liable not to mention kill the entire fair trade part at the same time.

Tackling problems ass first, always a great idea.

Heh, I agree that it's a really piss poor way to combat this situation as I believe that this is a COMPLETE breach of freedom of speech and expression, since a lot of people have pointed out that there is a legit side to the business where women willingly partake in this kind of act and I believe that if these women want to do this, all the power to them.

tangoprime:

Uber Waddles:
Then we get down to the controversial stuff. Banning cybersex is stupid, from my point of view, but theirs probably a reason. Cyber Sex cartels sounds made up, but I don't live in the Philippines, so I don't know how big of an issue it is. Personally, I believe its a way of expressing sexuality in a more controlled manner than other forms, but is still very risky and damaging to a person - you're never sure who's filming and uploading those exploits. I don't partake in it, but hey - to each their own.

Just a clarification, the qualifier "for favor or consideration" is at the end of that section is added for a reason, it means it can't be done in exchange for payment. They're not outlawing what people can do over skype/yahoo/etc. with each other, only that they can't do it for pay. HUGE difference.

captcha: needs, must *really?*

The cyber sex I was referring to in this post wasn't just a couple getting their grove on via Skype. Such a thing would be nearly impossible to regulate. I was referring to cyber sex websites based off of paying a premium for a showing.

And I find the ban on that to be stupid for the reasons I posted. Its a form of expressing sexuality just like things like orgies, pornographic theaters, BDSM, sexual encounters with strangers, etc. I personally think all of those are not only stupid, but risky. At the end of the day, its your body though - and what you choose to do with it, as long as you are an adult, is your concern.

If people want to strip and do sexual acts over the internet for money, its a hell of a lot safer then going to a street corner. You could make the argument, depending on the area and parameters, that its as safe (or even safer) than stripping (although both are equally sketchy in practices, payment, etc, and I wouldn't condone either unless you knew the full spectrum of risks versus benefits. Another conversation entirely there though).

The idea of carteling people for cyber sex was an issue brought up around this topic. If your forced into a situation where you have to have cyber sex, chances are that same party is going to push you to either do it anyways or push you into something FAR worse. Which is depressing if you think about it, but still.

As far as I'm concerned, thats the only implimentation thats wrong. Its about time we see a crackdown for libelous speech - I wish their were stricter penalties for it elsewhere. Maybe not 12 years in jail, but enough to certainly send a message.

"lascivious exhibition of sexual organs"

Just imagine that read in Stephen Fry's voice. Glorious.

"Libelous speech" huh? That's not trolling, or not trolling perse. A troll only has to push the right buttons any way he may, because it's all about the angry responses.
Libel may include angry comments and possibly even personal opinion.
Seems to me that philipinos had better avoid all online contact now, because they've just become prime targets for evil foreign trolls.

I am deeply offended by this article. "Cam girls"? Really? I'm sure some may in fact be girls, but I think it's safe to say the vast majority of "cam girls" are actually adult women. Referring to them as "girls" is derogatory, demeaning, and diminishes their status as full-grown autonomous human beings....yeah, I don't have the will to do five paragraphs on this. Poe's law.

OT: As others have said, this seems like a back-asswards way of doing this. If there is a problem with cam-[insert your term of choice] being forced to do it, shouldn't it be pursued along those lines rather than "Nobody gets to do it"? Though I'll be honest, I'm not sure how it would be enforceable in either case.

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