L.A. Noire Team Laid Off, Next Project On Hold

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Bara_no_Hime:

AzrealMaximillion:
No.
We are "Kickstarting" waaaaay too many things lately,

That's your opinion. I have not been disappointed with any Kick-started product I've gotten. All the projects that I've backed (and that have delivered so far) have been of high quality.

AzrealMaximillion:
I wouldn't give money to a developer that can't get its shit together on that level.

Then don't pledge (for this entirely hypothetical Kickstarter).

That's the beauty of Kickstarter. If you don't trust Team Bondi, then don't give them money. If I do (or if I am willing to risk $20 on a long-shot gamble) then I can hand them my 20.

If they ask for 50 million, then no, they aren't going to KS that. Obviously they'd have to scale back. And if they can't, and they do ask for 50 million, and the fans don't deliver, then no one loses any money because the KS fails. I've been in two KSes that failed to raise the minimum funds and I lost nothing.

If they make a lower goal, set reasonable goals, and convince me that they are trustworthy - then sure, I'd give them a shot. And if they can't, I won't.

That is the beauty of Kickstarter, I say again - if you don't have faith in them, then YOU don't need to give them any money. If I do, I can. Simple.

But don't tell the rest of us not to. And don't tell us that "too many projects" are getting Kickstarted.

Edited to correct a typo.

That's all fine and dandy, but I'm still going to tell people that a Kickstarter for a Team Bondi is a bad idea. Why? They're bad at business. I know that I can choose to not back this idea. The beauty of having an opinion on the matter is that I can tell people all I want why they shouldn't do it. The attitude that "if you don't like it, you should sit in the corner and not discuss the matter" is frankly stupid.

Its simple for me to not back a Kickstarter. Its also simple for to to accept the fact that I'm going to voice that opinion. I can tell you not to back Team Bondi due to their incompetence. YOU don't have to listen. This isn't the 40s USSR and my name isn't Stalin. You don't have to agree with me, but saying thing like, "But don't tell the rest of us not to. And don't tell us that "too many projects" are getting Kickstarted." is akin to saying, "You're opinion, I don't like it. Don't say it again."

I'll have my opinion and you'll have to make like Adam Orth and deal with it. And my opinion of that people should not back Team Bondi as they stand today, and the amount of games on Kickstarter is too damn high as Jimmy McMullin would say. Especially considering that we're now seeing SOME games start up a second Kickstarter for a completed game to add more feature. Its getting silly and I don't like it.

AzrealMaximillion:
Its simple for me to not back a Kickstarter. Its also simple for to to accept the fact that I'm going to voice that opinion. I can tell you not to back Team Bondi due to their incompetence. YOU don't have to listen. This isn't the 40s USSR and my name isn't Stalin. You don't have to agree with me, but saying thing like, "But don't tell the rest of us not to. And don't tell us that "too many projects" are getting Kickstarted." is akin to saying, "You're opinion, I don't like it. Don't say it again."

I'll have my opinion and you'll have to make like Adam Orth and deal with it. And my opinion of that people should not back Team Bondi as they stand today, and the amount of games on Kickstarter is too damn high as Jimmy McMullin would say. Especially considering that we're now seeing SOME games start up a second Kickstarter for a completed game to add more feature. Its getting silly and I don't like it.

Actually, my issue was with you saying that there shouldn't be a Kickstarter for it at all.

If you want to warn people that it's a bad investment, that is your right. I have no problem with that. However, you said that such a KS shouldn't exist. That was the opinion I objected to.

As to you not liking Kickstarter... too bad. Are there people that abuse the system? Yeah. Does that make it a bad system, or mean there are too many people using it? No. It just means some people are jerks (big newsflash there).

What I object to is the "I don't like it so it shouldn't exist" attitude that you (and others) have been demonstrating. If you don't like it, fine, don't use it. Don't attack what has proven to be a good system for funding games (and other projects) outside of standard backer methods. You can advice people that an individual investment is bad, but don't go around yelling that Kickstarter is bad. If you do, then you're just as bad as the "I don't like your opinion so don't say it again" people.

I wrote a little about my willingness to take risks for artistic games, but then I deleted it because that really isn't the issue. You accused me of telling you to stop saying opinions I don't like, but you doing the same thing is what started this conversation. You didn't like the idea of a KS, so you said it shouldn't exist. You started out by doing what you have since accused me of doing, when I was calling you out on what you're trying to call me out on.

If you don't like "stop saying opinions that I don't like" then I'd advise you to stop being a massive hypocrite and to not to that yourself.

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