Geek Girls Lambast Prejudice in Music Video

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I think Geek girls are an American thing. In Britain its still an almost exclusively guy thing, I'm not happy about that obviously I'd love women to share my interests its just that, when I think geek girl all that comes to mind are American girls on youtube, and Americans online telling me they exist.

RatherDashing89:
Why does the distinction matter?

Knowledge mate: You and i can't have a discussion on why Hickman is a hack if you have no idea who Hickman is.

RatherDashing89:
Is an Avengers comic book fan so strapped for time that he needs a filter so he knows who not to talk to

Its got nothing to do with filtering people & everything to do with filtering content by context. You and i are never going to have a long drawn out discussion on who we think the Sentry really was... Personally i hold that he was the Beyonder, who had made himself forget he was the beyonder after the actions of the first Avengers; Illuminati mini-series.

Doesn't matter how many wikipedia articles on the movies you've read, this is never going to be a disucssion we have. Its just not going to happen, because you are not a comic book geek... Yet if you hypothetically claimed to be, doesn't me asking you a simple leading question like "Really? Do you by chance collect the comics" cut back on the inevitable disappointment of me trying to invest time in striking up a conversation on the topic, when i find out that for all intents and purposes, due to people inability to say what they mean & mean what they say you are talking rubbish & actually aren't a comic book fan.

If your not a geek at all, thats cool too. But pretending to be one, not only devalues people who actually do love a thing, but also sets up false connections, shared identity, where none really exist... Not to mention, its really dishonest.

matthew_lane:

RatherDashing89:
Why does the distinction matter?

Knowledge mate: You and i can't have a discussion on why Hickman is a hack if you have no idea who Hickman is.

RatherDashing89:
Is an Avengers comic book fan so strapped for time that he needs a filter so he knows who not to talk to

Its got nothing to do with filtering people & everything to do with filtering content by context. You and i are never going to have a long drawn out discussion on who we think the Sentry really was... Personally i hold that he was the Beyonder, who had made himself forget he was the beyonder after the actions of the first Avengers; Illuminati mini-series.

Doesn't matter how many wikipedia articles on the movies you've read, this is never going to be a disucssion we have. Its just not going to happen, because you are not a comic book geek... Yet if you hypothetically claimed to be, doesn't me asking you a simple leading question like "Really? Do you by chance collect the comics" cut back on the inevitable disappointment of me trying to invest time in striking up a conversation on the topic, when i find out that for all intents and purposes, due to people inability to say what they mean & mean what they say you are talking rubbish & actually aren't a comic book fan.

If your not a geek at all, thats cool too. But pretending to be one, not only devalues people who actually do love a thing, but also sets up false connections, shared identity, where none really exist... Not to mention, its really dishonest.

You're using a very limited definition of geek and not one in line with the way the word is typically used. Who says geek has to mean obsessive, or what you have to be obsessed with to be considered a geek? And how much time do you have to invest? If you bring up Hickman, and I say, "I'm not familiar with Hickman. What did he do wrong?" You can either educate me on a subject in which I have expressed interest, or say, "It's too long to explain" and we can talk about something else. I'm fine if you want to clear things up from the start by asking if I collect the comics, although I think it would be unnecessary. I'm not fine with being told I'm not a geek, or at least not an Avengers geek, because I don't collect the comics, and I'm talking rubbish if I say otherwise. Who died and made you Batman to decide what makes someone a geek?

waj9876:
The main problem nowadays is not that most people think like that. The main problem is that there are a ton of people who pretend to be geeks, when they actually aren't, just for the attention. This causes the really stupid geeks to lump all women together and just hate them all.

Actually i'd agree with you right up to that last point. I don't think those people are stupid for lumping together... I think much of the blame for that is on a whole heap of very biased reporting, especially from actual female geeks announcing that fake geek girls don't exist... Because the logic has to follow that if these guys can see the fake geek girls (an i think you would agree that they exist), an yet those same guys are constantly being told that they don't exist, then that can only mean that there is no distinction between the fake geek girls & the supposedly real geek girls: Then by that horrible alegbra of necessity only one conclusion remains.... All geek girls must be fake geek girls, but we just can't call them that.

Of course we know that all geek girls are not fake: But you could be excused from reaching that conclusion, if a particular group of people are constantly spiking your data set with rubbish data.

After all, we all know the old addage: Rubbish in, rubbish out.

This concept never came up in my life, probably because I never went to geek related events. Though, other than gamer, I never really had labels for myself so the concept of wanting a label like geek for the purpose of popularity is strange to me. Guess you need to have stronger ties in the social scene for the label thing to kick in.

I think part of this is people's confusion of something being a "problem" verses an annoyance. Girls posting on facebook "Played farmville for three hours today, LOL I'm such a nerd" may be annoying, but it's not a problem. Just like Twilight, Justin Bieber, YOLO SWAG, and Honey Boo Boo. This stuff is annoying, but it's not a problem. We have this idea that we're humanity's last hope, and we have to stand up against People Being Wrong On The Internet, and it's just not true.

matthew_lane:

waj9876:
The main problem nowadays is not that most people think like that. The main problem is that there are a ton of people who pretend to be geeks, when they actually aren't, just for the attention. This causes the really stupid geeks to lump all women together and just hate them all.

Actually i'd agree with you right up to that last point. I don't think those people are stupid for lumping together... I think much of the blame for that is on a whole heap of very biased reporting, especially from actual female geeks announcing that fake geek girls don't exist... Because the logic has to follow that if these guys can see the fake geek girls (an i think you would agree that they exist), an yet those same guys are constantly being told that they don't exist, then that can only mean that there is no distinction between the fake geek girls & the supposedly real geek girls: Then by that horrible alegbra of necessity only one conclusion remains.... All geek girls must be fake geek girls, but we just can't call them that.

Of course we know that all geek girls are not fake: But you could be excused from reaching that conclusion, if a particular group of people are constantly spiking your data set with rubbish data.

After all, we all know the old addage: Rubbish in, rubbish out.

I'm still confused as to where exactly in this article is it said in no uncertain terms that "fake geek girls" are a COMPLETE myth and that NONE exist. What I get from both the video and the article is that the witch-hunt for these "fakes" is causing an unacceptable amount of collateral damage. It doesn't matter whether or not they exist--what does matter is there are some who aren't "fakes" who are getting caught in the crossfire, and regardless of whether or not the real thing exists, vilifying those who don't deserve it is NEVER okay. It doesn't matter whether or not they exist, as long as we aren't assholes to one another.

bificommander:
It's depressing to see how many people are still on the 'Fake Geek Girls are a HUGE problem' bandwagon. What do you care if those nefarious "cam-whores" get lots of hits? As long as you don't watch those videos, what does it matter to you?

Why would it hurt me if someone less invested in "geekyness" than myself attends a con? I wouldn't care if someone attended who just saw the funny costumes and wanted to check it out. People here compare it with attention grabbers in other popular niches. But to my knowledge, those other popular niches don't make such a fuss about a few hanger-ons. Most sport fans would welcome women who celebrate their home team's championship, even if those women didn't follow their team as obsessively as they did during the rest of the season. I can't see why I should give a damn when it happens to my hobby.

I don't see how it's such a terrible burden if I were to find myself confronted with somone who isn't as "geeky" as I am. If I feel my conversation partner doesn't have anything interesting to say, well, too bad. I'll find a way to get out and talk to someone else.

And if it is true (and I doubt it is) that there is a widespread problem of attractive women targeting geeky boys to "seduce" them and get at their money, well, that sucks. But people lying to take advantage of you is a problem in the real world, one way or the other. Why do you think all the booths at cons are for? Those people also want to make money of you. Grow up, keep your eyes open, and think before you act. It's not like I would spend tons of money just like that to please a REAL Geek, male or female.

If someone who's not particularly invested in geeky-ness attends a con, there is no problem. Maybe they'll become interested. Maybe they'll learn to love something new. Maybe they'll not care one whit. That part is a total non-issue. The issue is in your last paragraph there. You may believe it does not happen or barely happens, but it certainly does. What gets me is that if a guy attended female dominated hobby events with the specific purpose of targeting emotionally vulnerable women to exploit them for sex and money, I doubt people would be so charitable to him or claim that it wasn't happening or blame women taken advantage of in such a way for being suspicious and hurt.

Just because lying and taking advantage of people happens a lot in the real world (not sure what non-real world there is for the fake geek girl phenomenon) does not mean we shouldn't try to be aware that it does happen, that it is wrong, and that the backlash it causes is equally wrong. Honestly, I can't think of a single instance where a person being taken advantage of and becoming suspicious afterwards is so demonized themselves as the problem, except with the fake geek girl issue.

McMindflayer:
"fake geek girls" do exist. They are only found on the internet. It is a person, normally a woman, who is trying to add appeal to whatever they are doing by adding some geek items to it. Generally done through pictures, they will be scantily clad and in some sort of pose, holding a controller or what have you. They will add a tagline about how they are a gamer just like you, and you should totally click on their link or watch their show.

No woman browsing through a game shop or hanging out at a convention, or talking about Star Trek are fake geek girls. Fake geek girls don't have the time, patience or desire to do any of those things.

Side note: In forums, Fake geek girls will talk less about the topic at hand and more try to bring up that they are female, and hot. Geek girls generally don't reveal their gender unless the situation calls for gender to be known. why? because discussing the pros and cons of the 5th doctor is way more important than you knowing you are talking to a girl.(you know, like everyone else)

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So yeah, nothing more to add, just seconding this dude/dudette here!

I wonder if the phenomenon of guys calling girls "fake gamer" is more about the view that women can get anything they want easily, while guys have to suffer for it. Like thinking that if a woman wanted sex she could just go outside and get it, while a guy would have to put in much more work for it.

Lilani:

I'm still confused as to where exactly in this article is it said in no uncertain terms that "fake geek girls" are a COMPLETE myth and that NONE exist. What I get from both the video and the article is that the witch-hunt for these "fakes" is causing an unacceptable amount of collateral damage. It doesn't matter whether or not they exist--what does matter is there are some who aren't "fakes" who are getting caught in the crossfire, and regardless of whether or not the real thing exists, vilifying those who don't deserve it is NEVER okay. It doesn't matter whether or not they exist, as long as we aren't assholes to one another.

The problem arises that there is a LOT of talk about how much damage the fake geek girl phenomenon does to real geek girls and practically no talk of what the phenomenon does to the victims of the fraud. The responses to claims of being victimized financially or emotionally by someone faking being into geek interests usually ranges from complete disregard to accusing the victim of out and out lying. In this very thread we've had several people claim that fake geek girls don't exist, at all, which lends itself to the idea that anyone victimized by this phenomenon is a liar.

Now I have no problem with the video itself, none at all. In fact, I support the idea that, just because some people perpetrate a fraud, that we shouldn't create a witch hunt or litmus test that must be passed, whether based in gender or not. But it is videos like these coupled with complete denial that there is any other problem that creates a sense of total injustice to those victimized and, I would think, makes them all the more likely to continue being suspicious instead of realizing that what happened to them does not excuse an over zealous persecution of all geek girls.

Lilani:
I'm still confused as to where exactly in this article is it said in no uncertain terms that "fake geek girls" are a COMPLETE myth and that NONE exist.

I'm still confused on why you would think anyone was referencing the article, when no such reference to the article existed in the quoted material.

Hey some of my Con-Friends are in this video! Always amusing to see people I know in well reported on material like this... though I guess I know quite a few semi-famous geek ladies... I guess that comes with the territory of being an avid, sociable and international con-goer.

I know that the "fake geek girl" insult is usually thrown at overly attractive girls who guys couldn't possibly believe are into geeky things. I feel like such a jerk thinking that a small few of the girls in this video are fooling themselves into believing they are perceived like that. I hate sounding mean, but I cant help thinking someone needs to put a hand on their shoulder and say, "Oh sweetie, nobody is doubting "your" geek cred".

I guess my question is, what are the specifics of the victimization in question? When you say financially, all I can think of is using sex appeal to sell something. Which happens all the time. And as was previously mentioned, EVERYONE with a booth at a con is trying to take advantage of you by selling overpriced stuff. Heck, so are the celebrities selling $40 autographs and the food carts selling $15 slices of pizza.

What is happening that is being called emotional or sexual victimization, provided the victims are over 18? Like I said before, maybe someone's devotion to a hobby shouldn't be your basis for sleeping with them. What is emotional victimization? "I just spent 15 minutes talking to that girl before I realized she wasn't really interested in my hobbies. I'll never be burnt like that again!"

If I'm completely on the wrong track with the nature of this "abuse", correct me. But some more specifics of how it goes down would help, because I'm not sure what's being referred to.

RatherDashing89:
I guess my question is, what are the specifics of the victimization in question? When you say financially, all I can think of is using sex appeal to sell something. Which happens all the time. And as was previously mentioned, EVERYONE with a booth at a con is trying to take advantage of you by selling overpriced stuff. Heck, so are the celebrities selling $40 autographs and the food carts selling $15 slices of pizza.

What is happening that is being called emotional or sexual victimization, provided the victims are over 18? Like I said before, maybe someone's devotion to a hobby shouldn't be your basis for sleeping with them. What is emotional victimization? "I just spent 15 minutes talking to that girl before I realized she wasn't really interested in my hobbies. I'll never be burnt like that again!"

If I'm completely on the wrong track with the nature of this "abuse", correct me. But some more specifics of how it goes down would help, because I'm not sure what's being referred to.

Your desire for clarification is appreciated. Usually such victimization does not originate at cons or other such gatherings. A good friend of mine used a dating website that was specifically set up for people into geek interests. He was contacted by two different females who claimed to share many of his interests. Being that his romantic life has suffered in near non-existence for a very long time due to his social awkwardness, he latched onto these replies. The females in question leveraged his desperation to get him to send them money and gifts.

One of the two completely stopped talking to him once she had the cash but the other agreed to meet him in person. It became pretty apparent to him that she actually had nothing in common with him and that she had simply been pretending to like the things he liked in order to keep him interested and give her things. She wasn't actually interested in any relationship or his hobbies, just his wallet. He was emotionally hurt by this pretty bad and became suspicious of any girl who claimed to be into geekdom.

The one who had stopped responding to him actually contacted another friend of mine who also used the site and started the same BS. So, why did these women choose a geek dating site as their hunting grounds of choice? I find it likely that it is because of the stereotype of the lonely, desperate nerd willing to do anything for a little attention.

The fallout of this is that the suspicion and hatred bred by situations like this spill over into cons and become the equally problematic witch hunts we now see. This phenomenon of abuse is hardly unique to geekdom though, as any place where you find people desperate for romance you will find predatory people taking advantage of that desperation.

matthew_lane:

Except its not. Its like if i walked around calling my self a heart surgeon because i spent an afternoon on wikipedia looking up heart surgery. Or me telling you that i'm a formula one racer, when in truth i don't even have a learners permit.

You know what a key difference between being a 'geek' and being a heart surgeon or F1 racer is?

You don't need years of schooling/training and an official certification saying you're qualified to practice as a 'geek'.

OT: A lot of those signs made me laugh, and a few of them made me sigh at the stupidity of people who want people to 'prove' how nerdy they are. But as has been exemplified in this very thread, it's still quite common for people to question the validity of someone's claim to nerddom and ostracize them as being "fake" because of some completely arbitrary prerequisites.

Or in other words, hot girls can be geeks too. Chill the jets.

cthulhuspawn82:
I know that the "fake geek girl" insult is usually thrown at overly attractive girls who guys couldn't possibly believe are into geeky things. I feel like such a jerk thinking that a small few of the girls in this video are fooling themselves into believing they are perceived like that. I hate sounding mean, but I cant help thinking someone needs to put a hand on their shoulder and say, "Oh sweetie, nobody is doubting "your" geek cred".

Ok, quoting myself here to try an alleviate the potential flamestorm because I swear the video changed after I watched it. I will swear to anything that the first time I watched, and posted, there were many dorky/homely looking girls there, but every time I rewatch I see a larger percentage of beautiful girls.

I still stick by my first post though. I think when we describe fake geek girls as, "Attractive women, looking for attention." some girls are partially pleased to be perceived that way. Not because of the "seeking attention" part but because of the "attractive" part. And I do genuinely feel bad that some girls might fool themselves into thinking thats how they are perceived.

Err, when people think "Fake Geek Girl" aren't they more imagining the ilk of Jessica Chobot and TradeChat? You know, the people who post pics of them sensuously licking a nintendo DS or in a bikini for views and fanservice while claiming they're super nerds? Basically, people making money off the gaming industry while knowing next to nothing about it.

I've never seen a girl in artists alley with a batman T-shirt get the 3rd degree from some neckbeard. People claim it happens "all the time", but I have female friends, some very attractive, who have been going to conventions for like 12 years or more and they've never run into this fabled inquisition. Also, they cosplay. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I can't imagine it's a plague that runs anywhere but the internet.

One of the same friends is a really hardcore gamer. I've never met someone who has insisted, to the point of contention, that females can't play games. Colour me perhaps a little bit skeptical at how widespread this witch hunt is.

Eh, I get the message of the song, but I don't really think the song itself is all that good, personally.

I'm not even going to dive into the issue it is discussing though, I don't particularly enjoy running through minefields.

AC10:
Err, when people think "Fake Geek Girl" aren't they more imagining Jessica Chobot and TradeCHhat? You know, the people who post pics of them sensuously licking a nintendo DS or in a bikini for views and fanservice while claiming they're super nerds? People, basically, making money off the gaming industry while knowing next to nothing about it.

That's what PewDiePie does, and people don't hate all Swedes because of him.

Gorrath:
But it is videos like these coupled with complete denial that there is any other problem that creates a sense of total injustice to those victimized and, I would think, makes them all the more likely to continue being suspicious instead of realizing that what happened to them does not excuse an over zealous persecution of all geek girls.

But what is the inherent value in admitting there is a "problem" with these "fakes?" What is to be gained from it? In my experience, talking about the "fakes" only leads to hostility from all sides. And what exactly are we supposed to do after we've "admitted" the problem? Start taking steps to eliminate them? Isn't that the EXACT behavior you just said is unacceptable?

These people are going to exist whether or not we as a community agree they are a "thing." And I don't see anything positive that can come from our entire community becoming united in the idea that there are some among us who do not "belong." I really don't see anyone who's all fired up on the idea that these "fakes" exist just letting them do as they please without hostility. If anything, they become more secure in calling these people out because they know more members of the community are on their "side." The idea of our community becoming a biker gang that's all tuned to the same frequency of awareness and disdain toward a specific group is disgusting to me.

matthew_lane:
I'm still confused on why you would think anyone was referencing the article, when no such reference to the article existed in the quoted material.

Your very first post in this thread:

matthew_lane:
"Fake Geek Girl Concept Destroyed by Music Video"

/facepalm.

No its not. All you've done is demonstrated that these particular women have some claim to geekdom. You've not demonstrated that fake geek girls don't exist, you've only demonstrated that real geek girls exist.

That's like creationist proving creationism, by trying to disprove evolution. Disproving one positive assertion is not evidence for a competing positive assertion.

The argument isn't that real geek girls don't exist, its that there are girls out there who are faking being geeks: The basics of logic folks. An again i am disappointed in the obvious bias shown by Escapist writers. I get that biased joournalism sells more, but there is a point where ones bias becomes so silly, that you become the gaming version of faux news.

If this isn't you directly referencing the article written and accusing them of claiming that NO "fake" geek girls exist, then what is it?

RatherDashing89:

AC10:
Err, when people think "Fake Geek Girl" aren't they more imagining Jessica Chobot and TradeCHhat? You know, the people who post pics of them sensuously licking a nintendo DS or in a bikini for views and fanservice while claiming they're super nerds? People, basically, making money off the gaming industry while knowing next to nothing about it.

That's what PewDiePie does, and people don't hate all Swedes because of him.

What, pray tell, does your hilarious straw man have to do with anything I said?
Please, explain. I can't wait to be enlightened.

StewShearer:
Geek Girls Lambast Prejudice in Music Video

The Doubleclicks' Nothing to Prove plays tribute to the worlds many female nerds.

Despite the classic cliches of intelligence, nerdom still occasionally comes out with some stupid stuff. For instance, we're dumbfounded to tell you how the concept came to be, but somehow a bunch of people under the nerd umbrella decided that one of the pre-requisites for liking geeky things was the possession of a dangly bit between your legs. If you're one of the people who actually believes this, feel free to take a moment to find a blunt object and knock some sense into yourself.

If that fails to do the trick, you can try watching the video to the Nothing to Prove, a song by The Doubleclicks that is both a repudiation of the "fake geek girl" concept and a tribute to the many women who suffer the slings and arrows of elitist nerds. The women featured in the video run the gamut of ages and interests and includes notable nerds like Avenger's Assemble writer Kelly Sue Deconnick and Amy Berg, the executive producer of the SyFy series Eureka, among others. Male geeks like Star Trek-alum Wil Wheaton and Mythbuster's co-host Adam Savage also appear, among others, to lend their support.

We're not going to harp on the stupidity of this whole thing for much longer. Others have already done exemplary jobs dissecting how and why the whole fake geek girl thing is about dumb as it comes. That said, we can't help but puzzle at why some would even want nerd-ism to be male exclusive. Personally we'd love there to be more women that share our joy of Star Wars and oddly shaped dice. It's just a bit easier to get past our crippling social awkwardness when we have things like the various ways George Lucas butchered the prequel trilogy as conversation starters.

Source: YouTube

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Honestly I can't get a grasp on why people care if some chick pretends to like geeky things. Doesn't that help spread our geek culture? Even if they are faking their love of geekdom, that is still one more person to add to the sea of geek supporters. At this point we are so wide spread that we are breaking out of the minority, that is why "fake" girls (of any type) have started to latch on to our culture. It doesn't have anything to do with us as a gamer, and a lot to do with them as a person.

In short for everyone who thinks that "fake gamer girls" are a problem, get over it please. You are the problem. Them pretending to like our culture is just one more vote of confidence that our hobbies and interests are deemed valid to the rest of the world. Meanwhile when you (as a fake gamer girl hater) make a scene about someone not really being interested in our culture, you A: make us look like a bunch of socially awkward people from a bad 70s movie about nerds and B: cause the loss of a vote towards making our culture acceptable to the rest of the world.

Lilani:

Gorrath:
But it is videos like these coupled with complete denial that there is any other problem that creates a sense of total injustice to those victimized and, I would think, makes them all the more likely to continue being suspicious instead of realizing that what happened to them does not excuse an over zealous persecution of all geek girls.

But what is the inherent value in admitting there is a "problem" with these "fakes?" What is to be gained from it? In my experience, talking about the "fakes" only leads to hostility from all sides. And what exactly are we supposed to do after we've "admitted" the problem? Start taking steps to eliminate them? Isn't that the EXACT behavior you just said is unacceptable?

These people are going to exist whether or not we as a community agree they are a "thing." And I don't see anything positive that can come from our entire community becoming united in the idea that there are some among us who do not "belong." I really don't see anyone who's all fired up on the idea that these "fakes" exist just letting them do as they please without hostility. If anything, they become more secure in calling these people out because they know more members of the community are on their "side." The idea of our community becoming a biker gang that's all tuned to the same frequency of awareness and disdain toward a specific group is disgusting to me.

The value here is not that we can ostracize fake people, that is totally impossible. The value is in admitting that there is more to the issue of the fake gamer girl than a bunch of misogynists trying to keep their hobby 'pure'. The value is in seeing that some of those that are suspicious are so because of bad things that have happened to them. Instead of outing them as liars for being victimized, we can instead address their issues of distrust in a way that isn't totally hostile and dismissive. Instead of splitting apart into two factions who blame each other for the problem, we come together to understand its causes and work to alleviate the roots of the discrimination.

It isn't about us deciding people don't belong, its about being aware that this issue is more complex than it is often portrayed. In what other situation do we gain anything by pretending a fraud isn't a fraud? In what other situation does understanding the complexities and admitting the root causes of an issue harm us? I am not advocating a witch hunt, I am advocating understanding that there is more to this topic than is often reported, that there are people who have been harmed by the phenomenon beyond the persecuted females at cons, and that dismissing those who have been harmed does nothing but make the problem worse because it does nothing to alleviate their suspicions.

You know i fail to see how the attitude that some people seem to have that since some women pretend to be geeks to take advantage of guys, it's fair to be suspicious of geek girls, is any different than saying that since some black people are criminals it's fair to be suspicious of black people, or because some men are abusers its ok to suspect any guy of being abusive.

The attitude is stupid, prejudicial, and needs to stop.

AC10:

RatherDashing89:

AC10:
Err, when people think "Fake Geek Girl" aren't they more imagining Jessica Chobot and TradeCHhat? You know, the people who post pics of them sensuously licking a nintendo DS or in a bikini for views and fanservice while claiming they're super nerds? People, basically, making money off the gaming industry while knowing next to nothing about it.

That's what PewDiePie does, and people don't hate all Swedes because of him.

What, pray tell, does your hilarious straw man have to do with anything I said?
Please, explain. I can't wait to be enlightened.

Whoa...that's a lot more hostility than I was intending to introduce into the conversation. I thought it was pretty apparent, since it was a direct reply to your last sentence in that quote.

PewDiePie, and many many other very popular Youtubers, use the lowest common denominator to appeal to the masses rather than offering quality content. That is the category these fanservice girls fall under. Why is this a problem, and why should it lead to girls being grilled and excluded because they are being compared to the fanservice girls, despite their only point of similarity being their gender?

matthew_lane:

Mcoffey:
If all you're doing is calling yourself a heart surgeon or a race car driver, then no, it still shouldn't matter. You're not in a position to hurt anybody, and nobody is being hurt by people saying they consider themselves nerds (Whether or not they're lying is irrelevant). It still shouldn't matter to you.

Of course you are hurting somebody. You are hurting the person you are lying to. You are also making the world a crappier place to live in, in general.

An lets be honest, if it were a guy making these claims you'd tell him the shut the heck up & stop talking bulltwaddle & rightly so... Just like we do when we are talking about different facets of geekdom. I just had just such a moment in which i had someone try to play the role of expert based on nothing more then reading something off of wikipedia.

Lacking a proper understanding of the topic the person in question had information, but due to a lack of legitimate knowledge, it was the wrong information. an thats why someone having read something off of wikipedia is not a geek in that given topic.

An so i will close by repeating what i've already said: the problem with information in this generation is that its to easy to find & people constantly mistake knowing a thing from wikipedia for actually knowing a thing because you actually understand it.

Nah, I wouldn't. My buddy can try and convince me he's got a ten-footer, but since I don't really care if he does or need him to prove it, I'm happy to let him say whatever the hell he wants about himself. It's not an argument, it's a conversation. It's one thing if you're debating facts and someone's incorrect. It's another situation entirely when someone says their passionate about something but they're not as informed as you believe they should be to be making those statements.

Someone can say they're a fan of Iron Man and have only seen the movies, or only read a few of the comics. That doesn't make them a liar, or faking it. Hell I'm a fan of the Punisher and most of my information of him came from the wiki. You can't really argue that because there is no concrete way to say who is or isn't a fan of something.

I have no idea why people would label themselves as a 'geek' or anything for that matter.

Sutter Cane:
You know i fail to see how the attitude that some people seem to have that since some women pretend to be geeks to take advantage of guys, it's fair to be suspicious of geek girls, is any different than saying that since some black people are criminals it's fair to be suspicious of black people, or because some men are abusers its ok to suspect any guy of being abusive.

The attitude is stupid, prejudicial, and needs to stop.

I'm curious as to which people you mean. I'm not sure I've seen anyone who made that leap of logic. Mostly what I've seen is some people claiming fake gamer girls either don't exist or are in no way a problem and other people saying that they do exist and that they can be if they are using lies to manipulate people. Can you quote anyone who has said that the resulting suspicion is justified? Advocating for understanding why some male geek gamers might hold a prejudicial opinion is not the same as saying that said opinion is justifiable.

I mean no disrespect to you, I am simply confused by our seemingly different views on what has been said.

OMG so much fail in these replies. And people wonder why Jim keeps speaking on this subject. I'm just gonna leave these here.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6535-Fake-Nerd-Girls

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7671-Gamer-Guys

matthew_lane:

HalloHerrNoob:
Fake geek-girls dont exist...just a bunch of elitist alpha-geeks, who think they can judge who is a true geek and who isnt.

Of course they exist. There is nothing that becomes mainstream & popular that doesn't have a fake following hoping to gain perks by association, with out any of the personal sacrifice.

As for who can determine the difference between a true geek & who isn't, its pretty simple. If you were to say "i am such a huge comic book geek, i went and watched the Avengers movie." I would then ask you "Really? Do you collect the Avengers comics by chance?" If you were to answer yes, we could have a good old chin wag about how misunderstood Hank Pym is, or Black Widow is a really boring character, or even, What the hell is Marvel thinking letting Hickman screw up the Avengers... If you answer no, then you are not a Comic Book Geek... At best you are someone who enjoyed watching a movie.

Simply put; a passing awareness of the existance of something doesn't make you a geek. To be a geek you must have an obsessive love of something. For instance if you are obsessive about the Marvel movies (the actors, the lore & the behind the scenes stuff), but have never picked up a comic then yes you are a geek: A Marvel movie universe geek.

Geek =/= Passing awareness.
Geek = Obsessive love of something + vast knowledge of the subject matter.

Because your definition of Geek is what everyone must go by? If someone says they're a geek, who are you to say they're not? Because they're "obsessive love" isn't as obsessive as yours? Where do you draw the line then?

To be considered an X-men fan, do I have to read the entire X-men line, or will the Ultimate X-men line suffice? How about two X-men movies and and one anthology? Am I geeky enough now? Do I have enough cred to be a fan in your eyes? Do you see, at all, what I am saying?

xplosive59:
I have no idea why people would label themselves as a 'geek' or anything for that matter.

Self labeling serves as a way for social groups to form around subjects of common interest. Labels can create camaraderie and a sense of unification. Calling yourself a geek is shorthand for saying that you've an interest in a subculture or subjects related to certain pursuits, usually involving games, comics, books, intellectual endeavors, animation ect.

Of course such labels can also cause problems as well, such as a hierarchy and claims that some who claim the label are 'fake', as we see with the issue at hand.

So... What would happen if we had the fake gamers/geeks/whatever who happened to be guys trying to achieve popularity through fraud *cough*FACEBOOK*ahem* instead then...? What's that? We always have and no one ever really cared at least up until now?

... So err what's the point here again?... Forget I asked *sigh*

captcha: butter side down... Yes I slept through lunch again today captcha stop reminding me.

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