"Rape Game" On Amazon Triggers Anger, Outrage

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Killing people is fine, but surprise sex is suddenly somehow amazingly offensive?

What's with the human race and its priorities?

What I find more interesting is this quote from the review:

"You start with the mother, Yuuko Kiryuu, whose name is apparently the one thing I always have the pieces to spell when I play Scrabble."
Ahh. Too true.

seydaman:

Zippy1313:
For whatever reason... I want this game.

i too

I would just to spite those idiots. It's fascinating how rape starts as appalling... and yet murder of different types of creatures is apparent in all videogames. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying that those people need to smoke some more weed.

Kukul:
I know it's good to have Japan around for some good laughs every now and then, but seriously WTF?

I'm really concerned about these people. It looks like the whole population is a gang of retarded, demoralised children, like there is noone there to say "You're into that shit? Get away from me you freak!". Call me a xenophobe, but that's how I see it. And it's not only rape that's disturbing. I bet my ass (oh wait, I don't have to, it's on the box) that the victims look like elementary school girls with giantic tits.
It's wrong, it's wroooong!

uhh.. what? Were you just being extremely racist, or is this just a bad joke?

http://www.honestgamers.com/systems/content.php?review_id=4775

Nice lil review for anyone who cares, i googled it. Dayum, this is quite disturbing.
Very, very explicit language by the way! Like "jizz"!

[/quote]
Well, it's been developed, advertised and approved for publication without anyone stopping or questioning it. So a fairly large number of people have seen it and considered within social norms, which is pretty scary if you think about it.[/quote]

that doesnt specifically mean that everyone will buy it or want it. which is what i assume was implied by mr kukul..

fix-the-spade:

Nihilism Theory:

you cant seriously be judging the whole of japan based upon a game? thats the single most stupid thing ive heard all day.
yes i understand that this game is sick. i have a friend that was raped about a year ago.
but your opinion is that of a fool

Well, it's been developed, advertised and approved for publication without anyone stopping or questioning it. So a fairly large number of people have seen it and considered within social norms, which is pretty scary if you think about it.

And we consider games where killing a shitload of random and usually more or less innocent people as norm too, and so what?

It's not scary, games like this existed for years and years now.

Only in Ameri-- Oh wait.

Nihilism Theory:

Kukul:
I know it's good to have Japan around for some good laughs every now and then, but seriously WTF?

I'm really concerned about these people. It looks like the whole population is a gang of retarded, demoralised children, like there is noone there to say "You're into that shit? Get away from me you freak!". Call me a xenophobe, but that's how I see it. And it's not only rape that's disturbing. I bet my ass (oh wait, I don't have to, it's on the box) that the victims look like elementary school girls with giantic tits.
It's wrong, it's wroooong!

you cant seriously be judging the whole of japan based upon a game? thats the single most stupid thing ive heard all day.
yes i understand that this game is sick. i have a friend that was raped about a year ago.
but your opinion is that of a fool

seconded, and how about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Cleansing_(video_game)

I guess that makes everyone in north america sick, depraved racists now doesn't it?

Gormourn:

fix-the-spade:

Nihilism Theory:

you cant seriously be judging the whole of japan based upon a game? thats the single most stupid thing ive heard all day.
yes i understand that this game is sick. i have a friend that was raped about a year ago.
but your opinion is that of a fool

Well, it's been developed, advertised and approved for publication without anyone stopping or questioning it. So a fairly large number of people have seen it and considered within social norms, which is pretty scary if you think about it.

And we consider games where killing a shitload of random and usually more or less innocent people as norm too, and so what?

It's not scary, games like this existed for years and years now.

i never said it was scary. just offencive. its much less common for someone you know to die in serious sam-esq chansaw, or more realistically pavement car gta rampage as it is for someone you know and care about to be raped.
also think for a second at the amount of times a "shitload of random and usually more or less innocent people" are killed compared to people getting raped.

fix-the-spade:
So a fairly large number of people have seen it and considered within social norms, which is pretty scary if you think about it.

Honestly, it's not really scary at all when I think about it. Then again, I actually am thinking about it. I've never played this game before, however I'm pretty sure most Japanese aren't rapists.

It's perfectly acceptable in this country to blow off people heads with a sawed off shotgun in this country. Yet, it's not scary at all when I think about it.

I can watch a movie about torture. Should I be scared yet? Nope.

Gormourn:
And we consider games where killing a shitload of random and usually more or less innocent people as norm too, and so what?

It's not scary, games like this existed for years and years now.

True, it is weird that we can all play games about mass murder and not feel any guilt. Maybe it's down the way death inevitably cathes up with everyone, or the constant bombardment of it in every other media as well as games, we just seem to be more tolerant of killing.

I can't really explain it but I don't think that one can be used to justify the other. Rape is quite a bit more personal than mowing down 200 generic baddies.

Right so this is really pissin me off. With how often gamers have to defend our games (ie mass effect and the fall out from the Anne Coulter comment about graphic sex) it ticks me off that some dillholes in Japan are giving those Right-wing Nazis more fire power to get harder ratings on games and for those of us who follow the games as art idea this is going to be a swift kick in the balls. Gamers need to denounce this even more than they are so that its clear we dont approve of nor want this game out there
The Bishop

God damnit Japan, your making us look bad. It pretty hard to try and prove that videogames don't turn people into murderous sociopaths when you keep cranking out stuff like this.

Your breaking my balls here, man. Seriously.

Also, it saddens me that even the escapist isn't immune to having a double standard.

Nihilism Theory:

Kukul:
I know it's good to have Japan around for some good laughs every now and then, but seriously WTF?

I'm really concerned about these people. It looks like the whole population is a gang of retarded, demoralised children, like there is noone there to say "You're into that shit? Get away from me you freak!". Call me a xenophobe, but that's how I see it. And it's not only rape that's disturbing. I bet my ass (oh wait, I don't have to, it's on the box) that the victims look like elementary school girls with giantic tits.
It's wrong, it's wroooong!

you cant seriously be judging the whole of japan based upon a game? thats the single most stupid thing ive heard all day.
yes i understand that this game is sick. i have a friend that was raped about a year ago.
but your opinion is that of a fool

You can't judge a group of people based upon the deeds of people that are a small precent of that group. But you absolutely can judge a society based upon what the society tolerates. If there is a democracy in Japan and shit like this is legal, that means the majority of the Japanesee are to blame.

Oh Japan, why do you keep doing this to me? /prepares self for whirlwind of hate from peers

I know it's not the country's fault as a whole, but...Now everyone who likes anime and video games will be associated with a place that 'supports' rape.
Although I am kind of mad that nobody seemed to try and object to this in the first place.

I mean, I know killing is in video games a lot and it's bad, too, but rape is considered kind of worse because of all the psychological trauma and the fact that it's very...invasive. And adding a feature where women can get pregnant or have abortions just sort of heaped on the things Westerners find offensive.

I'm not defending the game- I really don't think this should've been made. At all. Especially since I've been sexually harassed and, as a woman, one of your worst fears is to be violated like that...But I chalk this game up on the same level as I put games with other creepily mature stuff, like Manhunt. /ducks hate bricks
As an afterthought, maybe this is another sign of the weird cultural differences. Going by interviews with Suda51, excessive gore is much more acceptable in America than in Japan. Maybe some people just find rapists not as bad as mass murderers...? I dunno, I'll go hide now.

EDIT: Basically what Vanguard said. It's hard to work with this issue or defend yourself against it...

I'm surprised this game was on the amazon.com to begin with, as far as I knew Illusion didn't sell their games outside Japan, apart from a few Japanese import shops

Vaz: "The industry is one of the strongest and most powerful in the media today, and London is the centre of [the gaming] industry".

Did I seriously miss something? When did London relocate to Japan? Last I checked Japan is the top dog in the gaming industry, and London sits in the UK several thousand miles away.

I'm sorry but I simply cannot trust anything that comes out of someones mouth when they recreate history by stating London is the gaming industry's top producer, and do it on record nonetheless.

I'm not going to even touch his stupid comment about how gaming is the reason why there is violence in the world; that was completely debunked by collage studies that he's apparently forgot to check when he made that fictitious statement.

He seems like the UK version of Jack Thompson, so if he wants to keep pushing his agenda (because it's really just his views not the worlds) I'm actually hoping that he gets his just like 'ole JT did.

Kukul:

Nihilism Theory:

Kukul:
I know it's good to have Japan around for some good laughs every now and then, but seriously WTF?

I'm really concerned about these people. It looks like the whole population is a gang of retarded, demoralised children, like there is noone there to say "You're into that shit? Get away from me you freak!". Call me a xenophobe, but that's how I see it. And it's not only rape that's disturbing. I bet my ass (oh wait, I don't have to, it's on the box) that the victims look like elementary school girls with giantic tits.
It's wrong, it's wroooong!

you cant seriously be judging the whole of japan based upon a game? thats the single most stupid thing ive heard all day.
yes i understand that this game is sick. i have a friend that was raped about a year ago.
but your opinion is that of a fool

You can't judge a group of people based upon the deeds of people that are a small precent of that group. But you absolutely can judge a society based upon what the society tolerates. If there is a democracy in Japan and shit like this is legal, that means the majority of the Japanesee are to blame.

i still say your to blame.
what the hell do you mean judging a society by what it tolerates?
i dont like the society i live in. but i cant help but tolerate it because ill get the s**t kicked out of me if i try change it. im saying you cant judge everyone. by saying what you just said your still judging everyone. you judge the society with no thought for those who live within it. just think a little next time will you?
also. the majority of japan is to blame? find me some japanese people you know that will agree that their to blame will you?

Enigmers:
Killing people is fine, but surprise sex is suddenly somehow amazingly offensive?

What's with the human race and its priorities?

Well, part of it is the intention. I mean, Bioshock nearly got an AO for the fact that you can kill little girls, dispite the lack of imagery to go along with it.
Sure, the hot coffee pushed it over the edge, but Grand Theft Auto is considered so bad largely due to the fact that you can mow over innocents, and the game works of the premise of what our culture considers to be amoral, in general.

Our culture has this strange idea that its OK to depict violence towards people who are not innocent...

Still, this rape thing Sickens me.
In some aspects, rape is even worse than murder. Remind me to go slap the developers if I go back to Japan.

Of course, why is it that other forms of media, for example, movies, criticized with such broad terms? I mean, there are a lot of movies out there, like Saw and Friday the 13th, (Or porn itself) that are this despicable. And yet, some games are OK.
But no, all video games are bad. Mario is bad. Kirby is bad. Klonoa is bad, just because of some amoral Japanese developer's game.

Idiots on every side.

I'm afraid I don't give a damn about all the idiots winning about it. Have a value jet fall on your face and shut up already.

10 years ago games were EVIL BECAUSE THEY WERE MURDER SIMULATORS!

Then they were PERVERTING OUR YOUTH!

Now they are RAPE SIMULATORS PERVERTING OUR YOUTH!

Starting to see a pattern?

Oh and, if you're a gamer and are complaining about this game, you're also a hypocrite. What? Murdering thousands in cold blood is fine and peachy but rape is just out of bounds? Yeah...

fish food carl:

CantFaketheFunk:
... Japan never ceases to amaze.

Screw that, the human race is doomed. It always amazed me, but now I'm off to mars. Anybody else coming?

wait for me, just let me get my 87 seasons of Doctor Who and the Highlander on dvd.

Honestly, I'm not surprised. Anyone who knows a decent amount about Japan could tell you: Rape is considered pretty "normal" in the hentai industry, games or otherwise. I'm certainly not into it by any stretch of the imagination, but it is a very popular sexual fetish there.

But really...If Keith Vaz finds THIS shocking and disturbing, he should really look into some of the other popular hentai fetishes Japan has...They make rape, incest, and graphic images of 14 year old anime schoolgirls with breasts big enough to sink the Yamato look almost normal. The concept behind this game is actually pretty tame compared to some hentai in Japan...They make shit that would make the average pedophile say "WTF Japan?"

No offense to any Japanese here, but your hentai industry produces some really, really fucked up shit. It is pretty bad when I would consider rape fetishes to be pretty "tame" compared to some hentai.

I would be very interested in a serious, long term study with the goal to determine the effects of games like these. Critics are quick to be appalled and assume that violence and "rape games" have a bad influence and make people more likely to commit transgressions. While that is entirely possible, maybe games like these can also have a "therapeutic" effect. By appeasing the urges of would-be assaulters and rapists in a virtual world, maybe they would commit less crimes in the real world... more or less like administering nicotine gum to people trying to quit smoking.

But of course, there's also the problem of proliferation. Even if some people with criminal urges would profit from the therapeutic effect of games like these, by their mere existance, these games would also find their way into the wrong hands, possibly fostering the message over time, that things like violence and rape are socially acceptable things to do.

I wonder for how long "rape" themed media exists in Japan, and if rape and other sexual offences are more common there than in other parts of the world.

Caliostro:
Oh and, if you're a gamer and are complaining about this game, you're also a hypocrite. What? Murdering thousands in cold blood is fine and peachy but rape is just out of bounds? Yeah...

This is why I'm glad that I stick with the more kid-friendly stuff...I mean, jumping on a giant turtle who kidnapped your girlfriend isn't as bad as stabbing someone, right?
And no, please don't start a debate on how Mario encourages you to stomp people's heads to death. >>;

Caliostro:
I'm afraid I don't give a damn about all the idiots winning about it. Have a value jet fall on your face and shut up already.

10 years ago games were EVIL BECAUSE THEY WERE MURDER SIMULATORS!

Then they were PERVERTING OUR YOUTH!

Now they are RAPE SIMULATORS PERVERTING OUR YOUTH!

Starting to see a pattern?

Oh and, if you're a gamer and are complaining about this game, you're also a hypocrite. What? Murdering thousands in cold blood is fine and peachy but rape is just out of bounds? Yeah...

OH FFS NOT ANOTHER ONE!!!1elleven!!

its different when its something that actually happens to people every day is made in a game than to imaginary murdering legions of nazis and other various bs. or are you telling us all thats what you do in your spare time. which unless your name is duke nukem is sorely f'ing belive.

pretend violence
or
emotionally scaring/disturbing rape games.

you have to be some kind of sick to want to play it first anyway
maybe you are.

I don't mind hentai games. If that's what you're into, then that's what you're into.

However, I am slightly torn. We allow games that have excessive amounts of violence, we don't shirk away when we see people bludgeoned to death. That being said, I find it interesting that we do become so uncomfortable with rape.

On the other hand, I've seen the product of rape first hand, and the anxieties and eccentricities that it can cause a person to have for the rest of his or her life. I think it's repulsive that people get...let's call it...JOY from this kind of gaming. It's one thing to complete a quest by killing boars or whatever. It's another to get your rocks off from the idea of rape.

I guess it doesn't help that they're wearing short skirts, a sailor/schoolgirl outfit that barely covers the bra (which I doubt they're wearing).. and that they look picture "perfect", as far as anime goes.

The Japanese are seriously weird, but that's hardly news.

Nihilism Theory:

Kukul:

Nihilism Theory:

Kukul:
I know it's good to have Japan around for some good laughs every now and then, but seriously WTF?

I'm really concerned about these people. It looks like the whole population is a gang of retarded, demoralised children, like there is noone there to say "You're into that shit? Get away from me you freak!". Call me a xenophobe, but that's how I see it. And it's not only rape that's disturbing. I bet my ass (oh wait, I don't have to, it's on the box) that the victims look like elementary school girls with giantic tits.
It's wrong, it's wroooong!

you cant seriously be judging the whole of japan based upon a game? thats the single most stupid thing ive heard all day.
yes i understand that this game is sick. i have a friend that was raped about a year ago.
but your opinion is that of a fool

You can't judge a group of people based upon the deeds of people that are a small precent of that group. But you absolutely can judge a society based upon what the society tolerates. If there is a democracy in Japan and shit like this is legal, that means the majority of the Japanesee are to blame.

i still say your to blame.
what the hell do you mean judging a society by what it tolerates?
i dont like the society i live in. but i cant help but tolerate it because ill get the s**t kicked out of me if i try change it. im saying you cant judge everyone. by saying what you just said your still judging everyone. you judge the society with no thought for those who live within it. just think a little next time will you?
also. the majority of japan is to blame? find me some japanese people you know that will agree that their to blame will you?

Oh FFS, you know that you can't practically say anything without making generalisations?
Of course there are millions of very decent Japaneese people, and even those who play rape games don't have to be evil. I won't assume that each and every Asian is a depraved pervert. Don't try to make a nazi out of me, notice that in my first post I only write how it looks to me = what impression I get, not what I think of Japan.
What I mean is that since this game, hentai, tentacle rape etc. are fucking mainstream that means their society is in really bad shape, even if just a tiny precent of Japaneese are into rape or pedophilia (and for me hentai is pedhophilia and I don't care if the character is "supposed to be 20" if she looks like 10 year old) they shouldn't be so passive about it and ban it themselves before that crap reaches west.

It's also interesting to take notice of the moral standards we live in today... while apparently it is entirely acceptable to most gamers to cut human beings (including women) into pieces, shoot their brains away with a shotgun, cut their head off with a sword, etc. "Rape" seems to be something inacceptable.

So it's "okay" to outright kill someone, but "not okay" to rape someone...

fix-the-spade:

Gormourn:
And we consider games where killing a shitload of random and usually more or less innocent people as norm too, and so what?

It's not scary, games like this existed for years and years now.

True, it is weird that we can all play games about mass murder and not feel any guilt. Maybe it's down the way death inevitably cathes up with everyone, or the constant bombardment of it in every other media as well as games, we just seem to be more tolerant of killing.

I can't really explain it but I don't think that one can be used to justify the other. Rape is quite a bit more personal than mowing down 200 generic baddies.

It's because virtual sex is still sex, while virtual violence isn't violence.

It's the same reason that when you watch a martial arts move you don't say you were watching two people fight, you were watching two people act, while when you watch pornography, you feel that you're actually watching sex, and that what they're doing isn't exactly 'acting'.

MsDevin92:
This is why I'm glad that I stick with the more kid-friendly stuff...I mean, jumping on a giant turtle who kidnapped your girlfriend isn't as bad as stabbing someone, right?
And no, please don't start a debate on how Mario encourages you to stomp people's heads to death. >>;

You're curb stomping someone to death. Just because it's "cute" it doesn't make it any less violent, in fact it makes it easier for kids to accept. Make your own conclusions.

Nihilism Theory:
OH FFS NOT ANOTHER ONE!!!1elleven!!

its different when its something that actually happens to people every day is made in a game than to imaginary murdering legions of nazis and other various bs. or are you telling us all thats what you do in your spare time. which unless your name is duke nukem is sorely f'ing belive.

pretend violence
or
emotionally scaring/disturbing rape games.

you have to be some kind of sick to want to play it first anyway
maybe you are.

No it's not. And yes, murder happens every fucking day. What's worst, emotionally scaring events or life ending ones? Would you rather be raped or killed?

I use to live in Japan... A walk through Akiba or a stroll through Den Den Town will show that this isn't even slightly surprising.

I find it ironic, considering sex is such a hugely uncomfortable topic in Japan, and I'd argue that they're far more prude than any Western country. Just, certain repressions have led to, well, stuff like this.

Pretty tasteless. But then again, so is decapitation and profanity-laden dialog and everything the Western world relishes in its games.

I might get this game just so I can judge people's reactions when they see/play it. If they're immediately revolted, they're Good People. If they start getting all into the raping and turn around an hour later - "Oh, you're still here?" - then they are Bad People, and I will kick and swear at them.

fish food carl:

CantFaketheFunk:
... Japan never ceases to amaze.

Screw that, the human race is doomed. It always amazed me, but now I'm off to mars. Anybody else coming?

any room for me?

(i would never take this kind of game seriously, i would laugh my ass off. Literally. )

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