Mass Effect 3 has day zero DLC (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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anthony87:
Oh how I wish the OP had used an actual SPOILER TAG(HINT HINT!!!) rather than just blurting out his spoiler at the start of his post....

Oh well....I've brought this on myself

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To be honest this headline will be everywhere by the days end. Anyone looking for a reason to get on EA, Bioware and Origin's case are pretty much going to go to town with this. People will undoubtedly be talking about this for years to come alongside SWTOR and DA2 as Bioware/EA failures so really it was altogether unavoidable.

Sure glad I decided to splurge a bit and pre-order that collector's edition now :D

To be fair, they've been saying from the start that the collector's edition was going to give free access to extra DLC and a bonus character. This shouldn't be news. If it makes you feel any better, it's still cheaper to buy the standard game and the Prothean DLC than it is to get the collector's edition JUST to get that DLC free.

So long as it is good DLC, like Arrival or Lair of the Shadow Broker, I'm good. Bioware has had a pretty good track-record when it comes to putting out DLC for Mass Effect. All this day-1 DLC and simultaneous DLC and game developing is the new norm sadly. At this point, I just care that the content is good, especially if its a game I was planning to buy all the DLC for anyway, like I did with ME2.

Steampunk Viking:
it's not as if other companies haven't done this as well, yet no-one bats an eyelid towards them.

Dude, people complain about day one dlc all the time, regardless of company, don't try to paint EA/Bioware as unfair victims.

The rest of your post though, eh, fair enough. Though I find the excuse that they're a company trying to make money isn't all that valid. Yes, they are indeed just out to make money, but we shouldn't let them push it too far. Should we not complain about COD's 12 for five maps? Should we not complain about hollywood charging us an extra 3 to rent some plastic 3D glasses? Should we not complain about KFC's battery farmed chickens? These are all just companies trying to make extra money, and while we can't change it, we may as well let off some steam by complaining a bit on the internet.

boag:

A lot of people "assume" a lot of thing, for example it was widely "assumed" that the multiplayer was going to ruin Mass Effect 3 forever, and surprise surprise its been the most popular part of the demo.

While I've become massively addicted to the multiplayer, I think it's the most popular part of the demo because it's easier to get more playtime on it (there's only so many times you can play through the same levels in singleplayer. At absolute max, I would say 12 and that's pushing it a lot) as well as people who avoided the singleplayer to avoid spoilers.

Note: I'm one of those people, but I took a look at the art book leak because I thought

Complain all you want, it won't change anything. It never does. Maybe it is a cynical view on the matter, but raging helplessly with froth at your mouth is just as helpful. Only less healthy on your nerves.

Coreless:

anthony87:
Oh how I wish the OP had used an actual SPOILER TAG(HINT HINT!!!) rather than just blurting out his spoiler at the start of his post....

Oh well....I've brought this on myself

image

To be honest this headline will be everywhere by the days end. Anyone looking for a reason to get on EA, Bioware and Origin's case are pretty much going to go to town with this. People will undoubtedly be talking about this for years to come alongside SWTOR and DA2 as Bioware/EA failures so really it was altogether unavoidable.

Actually aside from the news about James Vega and the stuff that the OP has mentioned, I've avoided every single piece of ME3 related media barring the trailers and demos. I've been hearing things around forums about loads of plot leaks and something about a journalist(?) but I've no idea what the hell any of it means.

Hopefully it'll remain that way ^_^

Loethlin:
Complain all you want, it won't change anything. It never does. Maybe it is a cynical view on the matter, but raging helplessly with froth at your mouth is just as helpful. Only less healthy on your nerves.

We live in a free market. At the end of the day, a company only makes money as long as we the consumers participate. Now, I will grant you, we gamers are pretty bad at putting our money where our mouths are. We like to sit around and complain about stuff while still spending money on that new copy of Call of Duty. However, if we actually follow through with our words, we can truly make a difference.
Imagine this for a moment: Because BioWare is planning on releasing this DLC, 100,000 consumers cancel their pre-orders. (not an unrealistic amount of people considering the number of pre-orders) At $60 a copy, not including CEs, this results is a projected loss of $6,000,000. Six million dollars is a lot of money, and in order to make up for the loss, EA would have to sell 600,000 copies of the DLC. Since EA and BioWare have no guarantee that the DLC will sell that well, they will doubtless change their policy, since that policy will probably result in a major loss. That's why people, like me, have proceeded to cancel orders and send letters of objection to EA. As they demonstrated with Battlefield 3 and the pre-order only weapons, EA will change a bad policy if it means losing money. That's why talking about this kind of thing, and more importantly acting on it is important. Us consumers hold the power. The only reason companies like EA gets away with this crap is because we play dead, thinking that we don't have a say. The fact is, we do. We just need to make use of that power.

9thRequiem:
ME2 had this too.
Honestly, I don't mind day 0 DLC at all, as long as it's not something that's clearly cut from the game to leverage more money. This seems to be fine, as it's a chunk of separate content from the main story.

Fact is, there's a big period between the code being finished and sent to be printed to disc and the actual release. A period in which you still have a full set of developers, familiar with the coding/design before the dust settles on - a perfect time to make extra goodies. Don't like it? Simple : Don't buy it. It's an optional extra for people who want more.

EDIT : I'm also going to guess that outside of the new mission/areas, there'll be very limited interaction with the bonus squad member (Like Zaeed and Kasumi from ME2, where they were on your ship, but you couldn't talk to them directly)

No. ME2 did not have this, nor did DA:O. DA2 had pre-order bonus like that. Both Zaeed and Shale came with every fresh copy of respective game, They didn't ask You to shell out 20$ more for CE to get it.

Day-0 DLC, especially with such character (it's not some random dude we're talking about here getting added to Your team, it's significant character lore-wise), that is only available as part of CE or for additional payment is simply rip-off.
You do not punish customers that are willing to pay You for Your product by taking content away from them and forcing them to pay more for what should be in game from the start. I have nothing against project 10$, it's justified by the way big game retailers treat used copies market, but using CE's for that? That's not acceptable.

Call me crazy but despite the race of the squad mate, walking around with him will be like walking around with Legion in ME2 IE you'll be wondering why no one is looking twice at it and why there's nothing important about him outside of talking to him and a single mission related to him. Yeah, not exactly losing sleep over this. Also I'm pretty sure info about this came out a month ago so you people are really behind the ball

P.S. Why the flying fuck is there a ME3 leak every week?

Clonekiller:
TL;DR

Ok, that's a joke, I did read it and I agree with your points.
But, what we do here, in this thread, is NOT acting, it's NOT "making them see", we just complain. Most people here won't cancel their pre-orders, won;t send their letters, so this whole thing we have going on here is pointless bitching.
YOU did your job, as you said. You sent your letter, cancelled your pre-order. I did my job too. As indifferent as I might seem, I refuse to bend over and take it like a champ.
What I still don't understand, however, is the outrage about something that was not only known for a very long time, but also completely predictable.

Loethlin:

Clonekiller:
TL;DR

Ok, that's a joke, I did read it and I agree with your points.
But, what we do here, in this thread, is NOT acting, it's NOT "making them see", we just complain. Most people here won't cancel their pre-orders, won;t send their letters, so this whole thing we have going on here is pointless bitching.
YOU did your job, as you said. You sent your letter, cancelled your pre-order. I did my job too. As indifferent as I might seem, I refuse to bend over and take it like a champ.
What I still don't understand, however, is the outrage about something that was not only known for a very long time, but also completely predictable.

Because it's wrong and I honestly believe that it's bad for the industry. No one's going to try their hardest to make a complete game, because they know that if anything goes wrong, or if they're in a time crunch, they can release everything else as dlc. This, of course, implies that said DLC isn't already on the disc (and there's no defending that).

Akio91:
Because it's wrong and I honestly believe that it's bad for the industry. No one's going to try their hardest to make a complete game, because they know that if anything goes wrong, or if they're in a time crunch, they can release everything else as dlc. This, of course, implies that said DLC isn't already on the disc (and there's no defending that).

I'm having issues with your use of future tense here. It's like you assume this kind of thing wasn't going on for several years now. And what did we do, collectively, as gamers? Nothing. Not one thing, since this model of publishing games is oh so much present.
I might disagree, you might disagree, but as a whole, most of us only cry about it, but don't follow up on it.
This is exactly why I expect the worst, predict the most dick moves on publishers' side and generally believe than we can say fuckall, but nothing will change.

You guys have no clue how they're screwing customers. Unless you pay more for the Collectors Edition, the FULL PRICED game is incomplete. The DLC isn't just a squadmate, it's a big reveal about the protheans which is a trigger for the whole mass effect story.

ZERO DAY DLC = Game Content developed and removed to be sold seperately

This isn't just "horse armor" here, it's a big part of the story, and it's exploititive and makes the regular game incomplete.

I already knew about it, and I'm not sure what to make of it.

I preordered the game, so Prothy will be joining my squad. But, to have such a potentially important character locked away as DLC, seems really really cheap.

I guess if he's not all that important, then it's more acceptable, but I doubt that's the case. And the fact that he's locked for the Collectors edition only, that's horrible.
And I've watched Total Biscuit's vid and he hit it on the head!

9thRequiem:
ME2 had this too.
Honestly, I don't mind day 0 DLC at all, as long as it's not something that's clearly cut from the game to leverage more money. This seems to be fine, as it's a chunk of separate content from the main story.

TotalBiscuit did a video about this DLC, and it is pretty plot important, given that it gives background to the Protheans. Also, last time the Day 1 DLC was free if you bought the game new. This is not.

This is crazy. Why is everyone being so complacent when this is such brazen exploitation? An actual, living Prothean is HUGE and essential to the plot, and they have the audacity to charge extra for it, ON DAY FREAKING 1. Totalbiscuit absolutely nailed it.

Keava:

9thRequiem:
ME2 had this too.
Honestly, I don't mind day 0 DLC at all, as long as it's not something that's clearly cut from the game to leverage more money. This seems to be fine, as it's a chunk of separate content from the main story.

Fact is, there's a big period between the code being finished and sent to be printed to disc and the actual release. A period in which you still have a full set of developers, familiar with the coding/design before the dust settles on - a perfect time to make extra goodies. Don't like it? Simple : Don't buy it. It's an optional extra for people who want more.

EDIT : I'm also going to guess that outside of the new mission/areas, there'll be very limited interaction with the bonus squad member (Like Zaeed and Kasumi from ME2, where they were on your ship, but you couldn't talk to them directly)

No. ME2 did not have this, nor did DA:O. DA2 had pre-order bonus like that. Both Zaeed and Shale came with every fresh copy of respective game, They didn't ask You to shell out 20$ more for CE to get it.

Day-0 DLC, especially with such character (it's not some random dude we're talking about here getting added to Your team, it's significant character lore-wise), that is only available as part of CE or for additional payment is simply rip-off.
You do not punish customers that are willing to pay You for Your product by taking content away from them and forcing them to pay more for what should be in game from the start. I have nothing against project 10$, it's justified by the way big game retailers treat used copies market, but using CE's for that? That's not acceptable.

Dragon Age: Origins and Shale. It's the same thing.

The character that gets added is nothing more than a relic, it's not a pivotal part of the story and if his stasis chamber was never found the story of the game wouldn't change.

Zhukov:
Whoops.

Day 1 DLC in general has never bothered me. For whatever reason, I've never felt automatically entitled to all the content available on launch. I either buy it if I think it's worth the asking price or ignore it if I don't.

I find this is a point of contention for a lot of people. This DLC was announced long ago and I think it's not a stretch to say that the reaction will be divided between those who accept Bioware's statements that the DLC is not a portion of the game 'cut out' and sold separately, and those who invariably play the cynic's card.

I don't think it is too much of an issue for me either way as I have the CE pre-ordered, so I get the DLC included.

Trekna:

Dragon Age: Origins and Shale. It's the same thing.

No
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not.

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Frankly I'm curious if that 'leaked script' that talks about how the Prothean would be a major plot point to the story is actually a real script. Because that's what a lot of people seem to be going on (other than Protheans being the ones who brought the races to space-faring age, like the civilization before them and so on and so forth). I'm not upset or anything, because I have the CE pre-ordered and not planning on changing that.

Irridium:
Do you know why EA does this?

Because it fucking works, that's why. People buy it.

Stop giving them money for it, and they'll stop doing it.

But-but I want it!

Loop Stricken:

Trekna:

Dragon Age: Origins and Shale. It's the same thing.

No
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Those
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Boy, that made my point so much better didn't it.

It's the same thing. Physical copies of the game had Shale. Certain download copies did not.

The question is, will the Prothean be an important character or not. If he's going to play some part in the lore then I think that this is just horrible.
They could have done it like with Zaeed, where you get him as a squadmate when you buy a new version of the game. However, he didn't play any big part in it anyway. I still think it's bullshit and EA is overdoing it but as long as that's the case with the Prothean as well and he won't have any big part in the game, I don't care too much.

Also, I've heard from people who've read the leaked script that

Trekna:

It's the same thing. Physical copies of the game had Shale. Certain download copies did not.

Now this isn't true. He was available to anyone who bought a new version of Dragon Age. They did this mainly to reduce used sale games.
The Prothean squadmate on the other hand is only available to people who bought the CE or if you buy the DLC additionally.

Sorry about the double post.

The did the exact same thing for Dragon Age Origins, Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2.
What the fuck did you expect?

Trekna:

Loop Stricken:

Trekna:

Dragon Age: Origins and Shale. It's the same thing.

No
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not.

Those
were
free
with
ALL
NEW
COPIES.

I
CAN
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Boy, that made my point so much better didn't it.

It's the same thing. Physical copies of the game had Shale. Certain download copies did not.

As someone who will be buying ME3 AND the Prothean day 1... no. It's not the same. At all.

The Collector's edition is the ONLY edition that'll come with it "free". The quotes are there because it isn't really free- there's a reason the CE costs more.

EVERY SINGLE OTHER COPY will have to buy it separately.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of people that bought Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, and Mass Effect 2 (EDIT: new) got Shale, Sebastian, and Zaeed respectively free of charge.

The ME3 Collector's pre-orders ran out insanely early, which means that the majority of people will now be missing out on a lot of content that they'll either never get or have to pay out the ass for.

Not gonna lie, at the moment I do have a little extra money to spare, so it doesn't bother me as much as most people, but it still doesn't sit well with me. If EA was the developer as well as the one making these ridiculous decisions I wouldn't buy the game. I'm buying it to support Bioware, though, as they're one of my favorite developers (if not my favorite).

Also...

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Ok so what does everyone want, I've just read through complaint after complaint so what do you want Bioware to do?
Give everyone the DLC, so what happens to those who have paid for the extra stuff? (Those that grabbed the DLC whilst it was on xbox live and those that are buying the N7 Edition) They then complain that they aren't getting what they paid for.

Someone, just for once come up with a solution instead of "oh Bioware and EA are idiots/morons (add you favourite swear word here)"

Irridium:
Do you know why EA does this?

Because it fucking works, that's why. People buy it.

Stop giving them money for it, and they'll stop doing it.

Yes, they'll stop making the games, not this shit.

Anyone surprised at this? Really? O.o

When they decided to sell mayor story line plot part for ME2 as Pay Only DLC you really didn't see this coming?

In case you missed that DLC, you will sure have trouble figuring out why Liara T'Soni went from squad mate to raging office monkey and back again to your squad.

I guess sex was not that good after all in ME1 for her. :P Puny humans.

somonels:
Yes, they'll stop making the games, not this shit.

Why would they stop making games?

EA/BioDrone do what any company does, go after money. If you don't buy their crap in sufficient number and explain why, they will change their ways because they want money.
If they stop making games they make no money.

It seems highly illogical they would be choosing between customer rape and suicide, yet ignore the actual solution, where they get money by not treating customers like sheep?

Arontala:
Wait, what?

They either drastically changed the game's story since the script was leaked, or they've ripped out a very, very important plot point.

They didnt rip out anything, the Prothean is still in the game, the DLC just makes him an available team member instead of a plot driving NPC

erttheking:
Call me crazy but despite the race of the squad mate, walking around with him will be like walking around with Legion in ME2 IE you'll be wondering why no one is looking twice at it and why there's nothing important about him outside of talking to him and a single mission related to him. Yeah, not exactly losing sleep over this. Also I'm pretty sure info about this came out a month ago so you people are really behind the ball

P.S. Why the flying fuck is there a ME3 leak every week?

Marketing, as long as people are talking about it, it remains i peoples minds, the trick is not running head long into topic fatigue.

I know there are a lot of reasons to be pissed off about this revelation, be it the retconning of crucial in-game lore, the condescending practice of Day One DLC or the risk of interfering with the tone of the story. But all of that is completely irrelevant because (spoiler alert) this guy has a fucking Jamaican accent! Yup. Sold. Bring on the Prothean Squadmate!

Bobic:

Steampunk Viking:
it's not as if other companies haven't done this as well, yet no-one bats an eyelid towards them.

Dude, people complain about day one dlc all the time, regardless of company, don't try to paint EA/Bioware as unfair victims.

The rest of your post though, eh, fair enough. Though I find the excuse that they're a company trying to make money isn't all that valid. Yes, they are indeed just out to make money, but we shouldn't let them push it too far. Should we not complain about COD's 12 for five maps? Should we not complain about hollywood charging us an extra 3 to rent some plastic 3D glasses? Should we not complain about KFC's battery farmed chickens? These are all just companies trying to make extra money, and while we can't change it, we may as well let off some steam by complaining a bit on the internet.

Of course not, I refuse to buy COD, but Mass Effect DLC has never to my knowledge cost stupid amounts of money. I will grant you that I preferred EA's original idea of giving that DLC free with new copies of the game, but I suppose they want to give people incentive to buy the Collector's Edition and shiney baubles isn't always enough. But I've known alot of companies who have done this way before Bioware and everyone throws a tantrum and buys it anyways. Like it or not, their merketing is working.

Irreducible Sohn:

Steampunk Viking:
Eh, I don't see why people are complaining about this "Day Zero DLC". It's free with the Collector's Edition and it's not as if other companies haven't done this as well, yet no-one bats an eyelid towards them.

Why are people complaining about this? Because it should be in the game! It's extremely valuable DLC toward the story and franchise that was made before the game comes out and instead of putting it in so everyone can use, they charge for it.

How can you NOT have a problem with this?

Fair point, if we can prove it is a crucial part of the story. Which we can't right now. Not without ruining it for people anyways (I don't know this for certain, I don't want to read the leaked spoilers!)

But it doesn't bother me because I've preordered the Collector's Edition anyhoo, so take my opinion as you will.

boag:

Arontala:
Wait, what?

They either drastically changed the game's story since the script was leaked, or they've ripped out a very, very important plot point.

They didnt rip out anything, the Prothean is still in the game, the DLC just makes him an available team member instead of a plot driving NPC

Might I ask where you learned this?

Do you have a link?

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