Microsoft Xbox needs to die.

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I am now on my fourth xbox where my first 2 had RROD and third had trouble with the huge bar thing continously turning off and the dvd driver not closing properly. My fourth xbox is the limited gears 3 one which comes with 2 gears of war controllers both of which are screwy. The one had its b button get caved in after 2 weeks and the second continously loses battery power over and over. This is my 5th xbox controller to mess up.

And just look at their live service, where it costs developers 40 thousand dollars for a simple patch on their games. They lured a bunch of small independent developers and with the new update beat them in a corner and charge developers huge amounts of money to put games on the arcade.

With the new patch we are bombarded with advertisements, and they have the guts to raise the price on live for something which really should be free. You have to have an active live account to have access to "perks" like netflix (thats a JOKE) and live ruined any communication with their community with their games. Just look at the sorry state of the dungeon defender dlc, microsoft acts like bloody money grubbing tyrants and just look at how it ruins games that thrive on dlc like l4d or team fortress 2. You cannot mod ANY game on the 360, which makes people who bought skyrim on the 360 insanely jealous of all the fun the pc community gets to have with user created content. Microsoft simply does not ALLOW us access to it because it contradicts their ideals.

Enough is enough! all microsoft accomplishes is strangling developers with their bullshit, and get away with releasing GARBAGE hardware so you have to re-buy the console and controller over and over and they actually have the guts to charge you almost 100$ a year to play games online.

Next gen microsoft NEEDS to lose the race because they are literally keeping gaming in the dark ages with their selfish tactics. In a perfect world everyone would buy games only for the pc so developers / consumers can enjoy freedom and the biggest hurdle for developers would not be the money to make the games, but only their creativity. Will microsoft ever have gems like Cave Story, SOL exodus which is trying to make a space combat comeback, or Terraria? NO, because they ask for way too much money. Microsoft is the equivalent of the church in the dark ages.

What is there to defend about the 360 other then brand loyalty?

I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

BTW I'm sorry to hear about the issues you've had with your 360's. I've got three in the house (2 Pros and a 360S) and none of them have had any problems.

All that and yet you bought four of the things and continue to pay for their internet services? When you keep throwing money at them like this, you are giving them every reason to think they are doing a fantastic job.

.........Okay where are you buying your xboxes? And how do you treat them? Because my mother bought me one for christmas off of Ebay a while back and it's worked fine for years, a few hiccups, but it is getting old after all. I love my xbox, I don't mind paying for live (yes I am a little pissed that I have to pay to use netflix I've alreay paid for) but at only 60 dollars a year, its not too bad, that's only 5 dollars a month (especially since I always buy mine when I can get a good deal, 20 dollars off at least).

I have Mass Effect and while I don't currently own a copy of Skyrim I have played it and loved it and am intending to buy it some day (it was a choice between Skyrim an ME3, ME won) and I have no need, nor want to mod those games. I do not look at PC gamers with longing. If I wanted it to mod, I'd have gotten it for the PC, but I don't care so I'm good with it how it is.

I also saw no price hike on xbox live...maybe you're not in the US so we're in different situations, but I don't know what raising in price you're talking about.

Now I would comment on the whole updates and the indie developers but I honestly don't know much about all that so I'm not going to pretend to know something I don't.

If you hate the xbox so much I don't really understand why you went out and bought a fourth one...sorry you're having so much trouble, but...I like my xbox and I don't think there's any reason for microsoft to die.

I got a used one that's been working just fine since the day I got it. Don't know what you're doing to yours to make them explode, but it can't be on the list of Do's for the system.

i lost only one and i got another one for free becuase it was that e74 thing so i don't really have a problem with them since this new one has yet to die on me

What I hate about these threads is there is always one person who types this line. "This has not been a problem for me and my Xbox works just fine." Just fine and dandy random person on the internet who thinks that everybody else must treat their stuff like crap. Like how mine broke as well and is sitting in my closet never to be played again.

Shawn MacDonald:
What I hate about these threads is there is always one person who types this line. "This has not been a problem for me and my Xbox works just fine." Just fine and dandy random person on the internet who thinks that everybody else must treat their stuff like crap. Like how mine broke as well and is sitting in my closet never to be played again.

That one random person and bunch of other people. I have only had one 360 break down on me and that was 2 years after launch AND after being thrown down a flight of stairs. On my second 360 and it works perfectly since 2009.

I'm on my 4th Xbox, I've had a release Pro and a 2nd Gen Arcade die on me (only paid $50 for the arcade and it served me well for over a year), I also had a MW2 console which I've subsequently sold and I'm now on a Gears of War 3 console. I've got 5 controllers (4 first party ones), only 1 of which doesn't work perfectly, but I attribute that to my idiot brother who used to use it before I moved out and took it with me. You're complaining about the price hike? It's like $100 for a year in Australia (unless you get in during one of their 'deals') and we don't even get half the features. No Netflix, no Indie Games and we have a total of 2 TV Channels from that new update. Seriously, how do we pay more than Americans for it? OUR DOLLAR IS WORTH MORE!

That all being said, they provide a damn good service and I love my Xbox. My Wii and 3DS sit tucked away collecting dust, but every day without fail I turn my xbox on for 10-15 hours...

I stopped at 3.

Happens once; "eh, I heard these things have gremlins."

Happens twice; "Aww what? AGAIN?! God dammit.."

Happens thrice; "Are you fucking kidding me? No. I'm done."

It just proves the ol' saying true: If something doesn't break, Microsoft didn't make it

It's Microsofts fault that they break, and they had like a over 50% failure rate: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/17/game-informer-xbox-360-at-54-2-percent-failure-rate/

They employ cheap labor in China with companies whose employees theaten with mass suicide and have one of the highest suicide rates in the corporate world: http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2012/01/12/why-workers-in-china-are-threatening-mass-suicide/

They also got some of the cheapest components possible and couldn't be arsed to build in a proper (working) cooling system that isn't prone to failure because it would cost them too much.

Of course all you people are doing (buying their console over and over) is just encouraging their business practices, (including charging for Patches, DLC and Online Play) and you'll just get more of the same next time with even more monetization thrown into the mix.

Programmed_For_Damage:
I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

Nehrim mod for Oblivion.
Project Reality for Battlefield/ARMA
Midas' Magic Mod for Skyrim
Chernobyl Enhanced for STALKER
Prelude for Portal
Insurgency (Source Mod)

The list goes on and on.

I've had one RROD and I got it replaced for free. That xbox is currently still working fine. I do agree with you about the bullshit greediness of microsoft though. Also, those cunts autorenewed my XBL subscription without asking me.

If they really do include that thing about used games on the 720 I'm not going to buy it.

You know, some if not most people have come to a conclusion that the majority of people in the world are stupid. So why is not safe to assume that people like the OP here are just terrible at taking care of their things?

Seriously I'm on my 2nd Xbox (Xbox slim) and my first xbox all the way back from late 2005 still works. The only reason I changed was because I was running out of memory ane I didn't just want to pay for yet another hard drive.

Programmed_For_Damage:
I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

Counter-Strike, Team Fortress, Minerva, Alien Swarm, Desert Combat, Lazarus, Age of Chivalry, Dear Esther, Nehrim, The Nameless Mod, The Dark Mod, Garry's Mod, Dota, Underhell, The Stanley Parable, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

You probably could have stopped typing at "I haven't seen a mod yet."

Anyway, I think the 360 is a pretty decent console overall, but it's true that they do need to get their reliability problems under wraps.

EcksTeaSea:

Shawn MacDonald:
What I hate about these threads is there is always one person who types this line. "This has not been a problem for me and my Xbox works just fine." Just fine and dandy random person on the internet who thinks that everybody else must treat their stuff like crap. Like how mine broke as well and is sitting in my closet never to be played again.

That one random person and bunch of other people. I have only had one 360 break down on me and that was 2 years after launch AND after being thrown down a flight of stairs. On my second 360 and it works perfectly since 2009.

And then that awkward moment where even more people back you up and say that I have owned a 360 for 4 years and it has never been a problem to me ever.... Yeah.

I've never had any major Xbox problems, and no one I know that takes care of their things has had any significant problems. It's really not hard for me to imagine that every time a QQ thread like this pops up, the OP just runs their 360 bundled up in a pile of laundry.

Zeckt:
-Red Ring of Microsoft-

That's not fair to the church. Because, as you can see, THEY got better. Microsoft will continue to be a business, the business that decided to make consoles after they say how well Sony was cleaning up. You know how it is.

Programmed_For_Damage:
I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

BTW I'm sorry to hear about the issues you've had with your 360's. I've got three in the house (2 Pros and a 360S) and none of them have had any problems.

hahaha thats a bit fo a loaded statement

there are plently of really good mods..however Modding is not actually somthing that interests me,

1. because I havnt quite worked out how it works

2. by principle Vanilla game should be good enough, if its not I'll find somthing else to play

Kingme18:

EcksTeaSea:

Shawn MacDonald:
What I hate about these threads is there is always one person who types this line. "This has not been a problem for me and my Xbox works just fine." Just fine and dandy random person on the internet who thinks that everybody else must treat their stuff like crap. Like how mine broke as well and is sitting in my closet never to be played again.

That one random person and bunch of other people. I have only had one 360 break down on me and that was 2 years after launch AND after being thrown down a flight of stairs. On my second 360 and it works perfectly since 2009.

And then that awkward moment where even more people back you up and say that I have owned a 360 for 4 years and it has never been a problem to me ever.... Yeah.

And another one who has theirs on most the day for that past 3 years. Is very loud though...

You are either an incredibly unlucky person or you throw your consoles/controllers at walls in which I suggest some therapy instead of gaming.

Zeckt:
You cannot mod ANY game on the 360, which makes people who bought skyrim on the 360 insanely jealous of all the fun the pc community gets to have with user created content. Microsoft simply does not ALLOW us access to it because it contradicts their ideals.

You have mostly valid points, however no console allows the users to create mods, this is not only Microsofts fault.

Programmed_For_Damage:
I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

BTW I'm sorry to hear about the issues you've had with your 360's. I've got three in the house (2 Pros and a 360S) and none of them have had any problems.

Then you simply haven't looked good enough. Especially RPGs often feature mods that have storylines that about double the gametime. Without mods we wouldn't have games like Counterstrike or DotA either that outlived their originals by a long time.

Shawn MacDonald:
What I hate about these threads is there is always one person who types this line. "This has not been a problem for me and my Xbox works just fine." Just fine and dandy random person on the internet who thinks that everybody else must treat their stuff like crap. Like how mine broke as well and is sitting in my closet never to be played again.

As one of the people who's had very little problems dealing with the 360's in my household, I somewhat agree with your statement, but to an extent. Sure, there are people who immediately jump to the conclusion that anyone who's had even a little trouble with the system is doing something wrong because they themselves have never had problems. It's not always the users fault, I agree.

But when people state that they're going past 3 Xboxes and even having problems with the controllers, it's a little difficult not to at least consider that maybe they are at least PART of the problem. I mean, I even know people who get mad at a brand for making what they claim is a defective product, and then when I actually see the object in question, it looks like an ice cream truck rolled over it. It makes it hard to not question the user once in a while.

I personally have had more PCs break on me than Xbox 360s. Bottom line is - things break. OP should probably chalk this up to bad luck, rather than attacking the whole company.

I've only had one Red Ring and that was from a pre-owned one.
Anyway, I'd rather keep my 360. It's got stuff like Bayonetta on it. I like Bayonetta.

Also, about the mods, I agree with Vault101. If the game hasn't convinced me on its own merit, then I'm not gonna bother modding it. I'd just stop playing it.

I must say though, the definition of mod seems to be up and down here. When I say mod, I mean a sort of unofficial expansion. Like Nerhim to Oblivion, or the Wanderer's Edition of Fallout 3. Something that modifies the game itself.

Things like CS:S and Dear Esther were just their own games. All that was modified was the engine. And if modifying the engine counts the game as a mod, then damn, half of the games in the world must be mods too, Unreal Engine anybody? :D

Skopintsev:

It just proves the ol' saying true: If something doesn't break, Microsoft didn't make it

I always preferred:
"The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they start manufacturing vacuum cleaners."[1]

[1] And before the Elite Xbox Defense Brigade bears down on me, that predates even the original Xbox by a good decade or so. Stand down!

Trollin', Trollin', Trollin'
Though the threads are swollen
Keep them fanboys trolling
Flamethreeeeeeeaaaad

(OT: Two Boxes broke, both replaced, and back when i bought my first 360 it was far preferrable to the PS3 and even a PC. I don't have much to complain, so i stick with what i have, it's not like the Xbox 360 is the most horrible thing ever, far from it actually)

My Xbox has never broken and the only thing I have had to replace is a play and charge kit they didn't even make. You can mod games on the Xbox. It is just a bit harder. Again not Microsoft's fault. The hardware is fine.
I barely even notice the ads but even if you do is that such a problem?
The $100 a year gives you access to everything on Xbox live not just playing games.
I don't see how they are keeping us in the dark ages of gaming when they gave us the best online system yet.
The pc gaming comment was just stupid. Not everyone likes PC so it might be your perfect world but I would personally not like it.

Programmed_For_Damage:
I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

Shut your dirty mouth. This is the greatest thing to ever come out of the mod community

OT: Uh... really the only reason I commented in this thread was to post that video to that guy, and I kinda sort don't really... care?

I'm satisfied with my Xbox service. I don't ever have second thoughts about the ten dollars a month I spend on Xbox live. I'm getting more concerned about the fact that even though I have a decent enough social life, I'm still spending as much time as I do on gaming.

I've had two Xbox's, one died about two years in, and the other has been chugging away for the passed 3 years (besides the one occasion it thought it could stop reading CD's, causing me to beat the ever living shit out of it till it started working properly).

I have a feeling that this new generation of Console is gonna be a little bit more lenient and blend Console and PC elements together.

Programmed_For_Damage:
I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

BTW I'm sorry to hear about the issues you've had with your 360's. I've got three in the house (2 Pros and a 360S) and none of them have had any problems.

You always have to look very deep for the good mods, past the nude and anime and oversized weapon mods.

Take a look at these:

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=1002
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=10886
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=8228
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=648
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=8781
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=711
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=10462
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=1020

And Bigger and better mods are still being made.

I can't imagine that consoles break as often as they have for you. So maybe, just maybe it's not the company's faul? Maybe, and this will probably be hard to accept but maybe it's you?

While i adore PC gaming, it isn't cheap. you complain about going through 4 xboxs and some controlers, yeah that's 2 gaming PCs. And you will blow up your first gaming PC so yeah 4 xboxs you're still spending less.

Programmed_For_Damage:
I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

Ever heard of a game called Counter Strike? because it was a mod. lets list a few other games that started as mods.

DOTA (a mod which created an entire genre of games)
Team Fortress (started as a quake mod)
Nehrim - (Oblivion mod that is pretty much an entirely new game)

There's also the unofficial Oblivion patch. A fix to many many many (not all) of the bugs in Oblivion. A patch. Created by gamers to fix a game the developers couldn't. half arsed indeed.

Somonah:
I can't imagine that consoles break as often as they have for you. So maybe, just maybe it's not the company's faul? Maybe, and this will probably be hard to accept but maybe it's you?

While i adore PC gaming, it isn't cheap. you complain about going through 4 xboxs and some controlers, yeah that's 2 gaming PCs. And you will blow up your first gaming PC so yeah 4 xboxs you're still spending less.

Programmed_For_Damage:
I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

B

Ever heard of a game called Counter Strike? because it was a mod. lets list a few other games that started as mods.

DOTA (a mod which created an entire genre of games)
Team Fortress (started as a quake mod)
Nehrim - (Oblivion mod that is pretty much an entirely new game)

There's also the unofficial Oblivion patch. A fix to many many many (not all) of the bugs in Oblivion. A patch. Created by gamers to fix a game the developers couldn't. half arsed indeed.

There's also projects underway to double skyrim's land size, and to recreate the rest of the tamriel lands. Oh and middle-earth too.

Zeckt:
What is there to defend about the 360 other then brand loyalty?

Honestly? Nothing really. Well, nothing that I could think of really. This console generation was the first that forced my hand in dropping out altogether. It's been a really disheartening generation, but, hey, that's just my humble opinion. It's just been the first year where I didn't buy any console system at all.

Mods are sometimes overhyped because people like underdog stories ("look at how those amateurs did so much better than the professionals...", etc, it's fully true sometimes but in general people tend to exaggerate in the amateur's favor). An example would be Skyrim, where I found several of the "praised" mods to be total crap, the kind of stuff that gamers would have mocked if Bethesda had offered for free, but just because it was done by amateurs they excused the buggy hideousness for "isn't this awesome!".

Don't get me wrong, Mods are a great part of the PC platform, but only the best ones are worth bothering with. Mods I played this week include planetfall, an excellent remake of Alpha Centauri in Civilization 4, and BF2SPCC, a mod that adds really good bots to Battlefield 2, so you can play matches with friends (or alone) and fill things out with up to 64 bots. They had to write a bunch of AI pathing from scratch since DICE only did it for a few maps and did a crap job at it.

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