Buying my first gun.

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Rainforce:

Go to war. Shoot someone. GET SHOT.
Then come back and tell me about how we need more guns in our life. DO IT.

This response is about as irrational as the talking lemon that is singing and dancing next to me on my desk.
//End Sarcasm

Blaming a machine for the deeds of man is not only just as irrational, but outright stupid.

Grow up.

Senordesol said it better than I ever could have. Please, kindly troll somewhere else.

I'd say a minigun imo, like the ones you see in action movies. No one will mess with you if you have one of those.

thaluikhain:

Jegsimmons:
OK i used hyperbole but Australia, Britain, Canada, and even japan have experienced an increase in crime since their handgun bans or introduction to gun control.
the rest of Europe may not be suffering to to being landlocked or something. but to be fair, i havent check the rest of Europe.

I don't know about Britain, Canada or Japan, but crime in Australia decreased after gun controls were introduced. You could argue that it didn't do much to increase the rate that crime was decreasing, but saying that it increased the amounr of crime is wrong.

really now? didnt the murder rate actually rise after the gun ban when the gov. spent 500 million dollars to destroy guns?

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

Staskala:

Jegsimmons:
OK i used hyperbole but Australia, Britain, Canada, and even japan have experienced an increase in crime since their handgun bans or introduction to gun control.
the rest of Europe may not be suffering to to being landlocked or something. but to be fair, i havent check the rest of Europe.

Well, then don't talk about "Europe" when you're only talking about the UK. The UK has some... "social issues", their violent crime rate has fuck all to do with the availability of firearms.
Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and they have guns outlawed since pretty much the end of WWII. In Japan's case it's also important to note that anti-gun laws are only sparsely enforced, with firearms not that hard to come by on the black market.

I'm so tired of people who know jack shit making up stuff to justify firearms. Just looking at a few wikipedia articles and drawing conclusions from thin air hardly makes for a good point. Nothing against you personally, but it makes being a sports shooter that much harder when everyone thinks of people like you when they hear "gun owner".

.........because i made a point and backed it up with a source?

i have no idea what you're getting act.

Gizmo1990:

Jegsimmons:

II Scarecrow II:

You're kidding right?? Despite the fact that Australia has such stringent gun laws, we also have some of the lowest gun violence. Go figure.

The US on the other has some of the highest. Who'd a thunk it??

violent crime does not always equal gun violence. learn to read.
and explain why everyone in Switzerland has an assault rifle yet has something like 34 murders while Britain has almost no guns and is more violent than the US?

Also, consider the fact that:
USA has over 300 million people
is bordered with a country that is ran by criminals
and that most gun crime is comitted by people who dont buy guns legally (black market, smuggling, stolen, ect)
AND in every city that has had a gun ban has experienced a sharp increase in crime and when congress struck down all gun bans crime in these cities started to go down, like in chicago, DC, ect.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

I do not think that anyone needs a gun but I understand why you want one. But just so you know quoting The Daily Mail in an argument is like quoting Fox news.

fox news is a legit source. ergo an unpopular one, but legit.

Aur0ra145:
How much are you willing to spend?

up to 1k,

I want a decent enough handgun to at least compensate for my in experience :p

Jegsimmons:
.........because i made a point and backed it up with a source?

i have no idea what you're getting act.

I haven't seen any source for your ridiculous claim that

Jegsimmons:
every single country that has outlawed or heavily restricted guns has seen an increase in violent crime

And by the way, if you actually bothered to find a decent source on the UK instead of the fucking dailymail you would have also read this

telegraph:
Researchers admit that comparisons of crime data between countries must be viewed with caution because of differing criminal justice systems and how crimes are reported and measured.

A Home Office spokesperson said: "These figures are misleading. Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime."

"Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost a half since a peak in 1995 but we are not complacent and know there is still work to do. "

on the very same study. There is no such thing as "violent crime", some countries don't even use that concept and those which do have varying definitions as for what counts as a violent crime and what not. The only thing that's defined the same everywhere is the homicide rate.
So as I've said you can't make a claim either way - pro or against gun ownership - by just comparing random statistics. And if you honestly think that the UK has "high amounts of violent crime" because of firearms restrictions or that Switzerland has "low amounts of violent crime" because of firearm availability you simply know jack shit about either of those countries.

Jegsimmons:

Gizmo1990:

Jegsimmons:

violent crime does not always equal gun violence. learn to read.
and explain why everyone in Switzerland has an assault rifle yet has something like 34 murders while Britain has almost no guns and is more violent than the US?

Also, consider the fact that:
USA has over 300 million people
is bordered with a country that is ran by criminals
and that most gun crime is comitted by people who dont buy guns legally (black market, smuggling, stolen, ect)
AND in every city that has had a gun ban has experienced a sharp increase in crime and when congress struck down all gun bans crime in these cities started to go down, like in chicago, DC, ect.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

I do not think that anyone needs a gun but I understand why you want one. But just so you know quoting The Daily Mail in an argument is like quoting Fox news.

fox news is a legit source. ergo an unpopular one, but legit.

This just in The Muppets are Communist's and are corrupting children with there communist ways.
Most of what they say is total shit. Maybe I have been spoiled living in the UK as we have the BBC and they have to be Unbiased by law, but as far as I am concerned you cannot be biased towards a specific political party and call yourself news.

Fair and balanced. When I fould out that was their motto I laughed for 10 strait minutes.

Malyc:
Somehow, I knew this thread would turn into another "Don't buy gun, buy sword" argument from people who don't understand that shooting is a perfectly acceptable, enjoyable, and fun hobby.

amen brother,

shooting to me is no different from shooting a basketball,

aim, throw or fire and make the target and celebrate when I eventually get the target or score 2-3 points ... :)

Grant Hobba:

Aur0ra145:
How much are you willing to spend?

up to 1k,

I want a decent enough handgun to at least compensate for my in experience :p

Okie dokie, do you prefer a hammer fired or striker fired handgun? I can help you a whole lot more if I know what you sort of want.

Some notes on strikers

"Pre-set strikers apply only to semi-automatic handguns. Upon firing a cartridge or loading the chamber, the striker will rest in a partially cocked position. The trigger serves the function of completing the cocking cycle and then releasing the striker. While technically two actions, it differs from a double-action trigger in that the trigger is not capable of fully cocking the striker or hammer. It differs from single action in that if the striker or hammer were to release, it would generally not be capable of igniting the primer. Examples of pre-set strikers are the Glock, Smith and Wesson M&P, Kahr Arms, and Ruger SR series pistols."

Some stuff on double-action/single-action AKA hammer fired

"A double-action/single-action (DA/SA) firearm combines the features of both mechanisms. Often called traditional double action, these terms apply almost exclusively to semi-automatic handguns. The function of this trigger mechanism is identical to a DA revolver. However, the firing mechanism automatically cocks the hammer or striker after the gun is fired. This mechanism will cock and release the hammer when the hammer is in the down position, but, on each subsequent shot, the trigger will function as a single action. The Mateba Autorevolver is a semi-automatic revolver that functions on a DA/SA system. The Beretta 92 is a good example of a DA/SA semi-automatic pistol. On many DA/SA pistols (including the Beretta), there is the option to cock the hammer before the first shot is fired. This removes the heavy pull of the double-action. Also, there is often a de-cocker to return the pistol to double-action." FNH, H&K, Colt 1911 and revolvers.

Note: some handguns are double action only (H&K USP-40 DAO) and some are single action only (Colt 1911)

I personally prefer hammer fired handguns. Though the new FNS-40 has got me thinking about buying a striker fired handgun.

Gizmo1990:

Jegsimmons:

Gizmo1990:

I do not think that anyone needs a gun but I understand why you want one. But just so you know quoting The Daily Mail in an argument is like quoting Fox news.

fox news is a legit source. ergo an unpopular one, but legit.

This just in The Muppets are Communist's and are corrupting children with there communist ways.
Most of what they say is total shit. Maybe I have been spoiled living in the UK as we have the BBC and they have to be Unbiased by law, but as far as I am concerned you cannot be biased towards a specific political party and call yourself news.

Fair and balanced. When I fould out that was their motto I laughed for 10 strait minutes.

oh i'm sorry, but if i'm not mistaken, but isn't one of the BBC new's criticisms is supporting liberal biases?

buddy, every damn news network is biased. ALL OF THEM. MSNBC, CNN, FOX, CBS, even comedy news like colbert and john stewart are left wing.

Staskala:

Jegsimmons:
.........because i made a point and backed it up with a source?

i have no idea what you're getting act.

I haven't seen any source for your ridiculous claim that

Jegsimmons:
every single country that has outlawed or heavily restricted guns has seen an increase in violent crime

And by the way, if you actually bothered to find a decent source on the UK instead of the fucking dailymail you would have also read this

telegraph:
Researchers admit that comparisons of crime data between countries must be viewed with caution because of differing criminal justice systems and how crimes are reported and measured.

A Home Office spokesperson said: "These figures are misleading. Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime."

"Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost a half since a peak in 1995 but we are not complacent and know there is still work to do. "

on the very same study. There is no such thing as "violent crime", some countries don't even use that concept and those which do have varying definitions as for what counts as a violent crime and what not. The only thing that's defined the same everywhere is the homicide rate.
So as I've said you can't make a claim either way - pro or against gun ownership - by just comparing random statistics. And if you honestly think that the UK has "high amounts of violent crime" because of firearms restrictions or that Switzerland has "low amounts of violent crime" because of firearm availability you simply know jack shit about either of those countries.

i have sources, and if you dont like them how about a google search, you are at a PC. take advantage of that.

Also, definition of violent crime: "A violent crime or crime of violence is a crime in which the offender uses or threatens to use violent force upon the victim."

im pretty sure thats near universal.

Also, even if i dont know jack shit about those countries, riddle me this, isn't it odd that a country with guns isnt nearly as violent as anti-gun activist would claim? no matter how you look at it, its a valid point.

Rheinmetall:
in my opinion one should stay away from real guns in their everyday life as much as possible. Anything can happen.

What?

Someone who has done military service actually believes firearms have a will of their own?

Whoa, you guys shouldn't issue firearms to the armed forces. "Anything can happen", after all.

@ everyone who doesn't think shooting is a legitimate activity

Watch the whole 3 minutes and tell me you don't want a bolt action rifle and a big ass farm of your own.

Rainforce:
Go to war. Shoot someone. GET SHOT.
Then come back and tell me about how we need more guns in our life. DO IT.

Most irrational and illogical post I have seen in the Escapist. And usually the Escapist has a lot of them.

Grant Hobba:
Hey guys,

I just got back from my holiday on Hamilton island, I got to have my first real go with a few different hand guns, a Glock 9mm, SW .38, SW.357 magnum and the fabled SW .44 Magnum.

I had an absolute ball and it has convinced me to purchase my first gun.

The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special :)

what do you guys think?

do any of you own any firearms or even go shooting yourselves?

I own a number of firearms and I do have CZ75B and SW revolvers. You can't go wrong with them. I currently carrying Glock 19 as my primary conceal weapon. The Glock 19 is considered by many the best all around handgun. However in near future I think I switch to Kahr CW9 for my primary conceal carry because it smaller.

The CZ75B is a very very good pistol. It is the most cloned handgun in the world. It is a full length handgun so that means not very concealable. Let me know if you have questions on handguns.

There are a lot of gun forums on the web. I suggest you might want to take a look at AR15.com in the handgun section.

jdun:

Grant Hobba:
Hey guys,

I just got back from my holiday on Hamilton island, I got to have my first real go with a few different hand guns, a Glock 9mm, SW .38, SW.357 magnum and the fabled SW .44 Magnum.

I had an absolute ball and it has convinced me to purchase my first gun.

The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special :)

what do you guys think?

do any of you own any firearms or even go shooting yourselves?

I own a number of firearms and I do have CZ75B and SW revolvers. You can't go wrong with them. I currently carrying Glock 19 as my primary conceal weapon. The Glock 19 is considered by many the best all around handgun. However in near future I think I switch to Kahr CW9 for my primary conceal carry because it smaller.

The CZ75B is a very very good pistol. It is the most cloned handgun in the world. It is a full length handgun so that means not very concealable. Let me know if you have questions on handguns.

There are a lot of gun forum on the web. I suggest you might want to take a look at AR15.com in the handgun section.

I have a Kahr CW9 as my primary conceal weapon. It's a great gun. I have it tricked out with a Crimson Trace laser sight. With proper handling it is a great gun, it is a happy medium between a full sized handgun like my Glock 22 and a pocket gun like my mom's lady smith .38 special.

The one word of advice I do have with it is if you ride the slide of your handguns you will have problems with a CW9. If the slide doesn't have 100% power to slide forward the first bullet won't feed. Even the lightest touch can cause problems if you don't let go all the way.

It does have a REALLY long trigger pull too. Obnoxiously so almost. But that is the only problem I've found with it.

I don't know if skeet shooting is legal in Australia, but if it is, I'd get a shotgun and find a place to do that. Skeet shooting is crazy fun in my book

WolfThomas:
Semi-automatics are a catergory C firearms (with a mag restriction of 10) in Australia, you need to be a primary producer (farmer) who can prove that CAT A+B firearms (pump, bolt, lever action rifles, lever and break action shotguns) aren't enough. Or a professional hunter/culler can get ONE semi-automatic with up to a 30 round mag.

With handguns you get either a sporting license (with 10round limit) or one for professional security purposes (no limit). With the sporting one you can't shoot greater than .38 without a dispensation.

Good to know, as I said I'm not terribly familiar with Australia's laws on firearm possession. If you're limited to long guns I would personally go with a bolt action rifle for their reliability, and fewer moving parts means a more stable chambering of the round, resulting in better accuracy. Although at this point, there's really not much of a difference between a lever, pump, or bolt action, it's just a personal preference, they all do well unless you're shooting out to 500 yards. However for home defense a lever action might not be a bad idea, lever actions can be manufactured to fire fire pistol cartridges such as .38, .357, and .44 magnum. But then again, I'm not sure if that would be legal in Australia without extensive papers. They're considered a rifle, but they fire pistol cartridges, and judging by the quoted comment, anything above .38 seems to be a no-no for most people.

Grant Hobba:
The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special :)

what do you guys think?

The CZ75 hands down. The CZ75 is the most accurate handgun in the world.

Although you'll probably be stuck with a "new" model since the (more accurate wood gripped) old model is super expensive collector's item now.

Either way, CZ75s are fucking awesome. Just ask Rally Vincent. ^^

and explain why everyone in Switzerland has an assault rifle yet has something like 34 murders

Because if they break open the case on their government issued assault rifle for anything but their military duties then they face lengthy prison sentences.

while Britain has almost no guns and is more violent than the US?

Simply not true. In fact Detroit (a city of approximately 5 million people) had more murders than the entire United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland and our 14 overseas territories (somewhere in the region of 70 million people, and Northern Ireland was still considered to be an operational warzone until 2006, and still aint the happiest place on earth) last year.

Incidentally, and I bet you'll reply before getting this far - I've not said whether or not I believe in gun control/banning guns. My point is simply that your facts are wrong, and you've failed to take into consideration any factors that may actually affect this particular debate. But let's see if you register that before you reply eh?

I have a strange relationship with guns.

From an engineering perspective, I love guns.

Nothing feels more satisfying than reloading a bolt-action rifle or reloading a revolver. Those clean lines, the precisce moving parts.

But at the same time, they're tools designed for killing. And they're designed well for it.

Lumber Barber:
Be a man and buy a Musket, not the wussy guns of today.

Hah! My friend actually owns a matchlock Brown Bess .75 ball muzzleloader he uses for reenacting wargames and performances. Obviously, they just detonate rolled cartridges without the wadding or shot for safety purposes during play, but they do sometimes do live fires at targets...

Great noisy fun shooting it off, but hopelessly inaccurate... hence the historical use of formations and volley fire. It's extremely heavy at 16 pounds and 5'-some feet long.

ElPatron:

Rheinmetall:
in my opinion one should stay away from real guns in their everyday life as much as possible. Anything can happen.

What?

Someone who has done military service actually believes firearms have a will of their own?

Whoa, you guys shouldn't issue firearms to the armed forces. "Anything can happen", after all.

@ everyone who doesn't think shooting is a legitimate activity

Watch the whole 3 minutes and tell me you don't want a bolt action rifle and a big ass farm of your own.

The most fun I have is cowboy shooting. Dress like a cowboy. Act like a cowboy. The shooting course are done like the wild west. Very enjoyable.

http://www.sassnet.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGQQ9wjzOw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH96vANEjMQ

There are many type of competitive shooting from 3 guns to IDPA to precision shooting to Skeet shooting. The ever growing list of competitive shooting scene.

IPSC with Laetitia Daguenel
http://youtu.be/SEXJrgugePI

I believe 3 gun shooting is growing the fastest of all competitive shooting sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAKRvCvLiHk&feature=related

Jodah:

jdun:

Grant Hobba:
Hey guys,

I just got back from my holiday on Hamilton island, I got to have my first real go with a few different hand guns, a Glock 9mm, SW .38, SW.357 magnum and the fabled SW .44 Magnum.

I had an absolute ball and it has convinced me to purchase my first gun.

The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special :)

what do you guys think?

do any of you own any firearms or even go shooting yourselves?

I own a number of firearms and I do have CZ75B and SW revolvers. You can't go wrong with them. I currently carrying Glock 19 as my primary conceal weapon. The Glock 19 is considered by many the best all around handgun. However in near future I think I switch to Kahr CW9 for my primary conceal carry because it smaller.

The CZ75B is a very very good pistol. It is the most cloned handgun in the world. It is a full length handgun so that means not very concealable. Let me know if you have questions on handguns.

There are a lot of gun forum on the web. I suggest you might want to take a look at AR15.com in the handgun section.

I have a Kahr CW9 as my primary conceal weapon. It's a great gun. I have it tricked out with a Crimson Trace laser sight. With proper handling it is a great gun, it is a happy medium between a full sized handgun like my Glock 22 and a pocket gun like my mom's lady smith .38 special.

The one word of advice I do have with it is if you ride the slide of your handguns you will have problems with a CW9. If the slide doesn't have 100% power to slide forward the first bullet won't feed. Even the lightest touch can cause problems if you don't let go all the way.

It does have a REALLY long trigger pull too. Obnoxiously so almost. But that is the only problem I've found with it.

I'm thinking about getting one in the very near future. Is the recoil spring standard or modified (extra strength) on your CW9?

jdun:
The most fun I have is cowboy shooting. Dress like a cowboy. Act like a cowboy. The shooting course are done like the wild west. Very enjoyable.

Not into it. I don't like role-playing that much. For that I have airsoft and just pretend to be an "OPERATOR".

Not specifically interested in black powder guns either. I would definitely buy a load of "cap and ball" revolvers if I was in the US. They are cheap and to me more valuable than a Hi Point. But since I am not I wouldn't bother.

I need to be 21 to have a collector's license, and it is required even if the firearms have been deactivated. Which is pretty stupid since you can have a regular license when you're 18. Heck, if you want a shotgun you can do the exams when you're 16 and you have a legit hunting license.

I prefer clay shooting and plink at longer ranges. Or just make wax slugs and shoot things.

Jegsimmons:
i have sources, and if you dont like them how about a google search, you are at a PC. take advantage of that.

Also, definition of violent crime: "A violent crime or crime of violence is a crime in which the offender uses or threatens to use violent force upon the victim."

im pretty sure thats near universal.

No, it's not. Many countries only count crimes as violent if the assault actually results in injuries, some only if the injuries are at least "mild", a very small number only if the injuries could have resulted in serious bodily harm. Hence why "violent crime" is completely fucking useless to make any comparisons.

Also, even if i dont know jack shit about those countries, riddle me this, isn't it odd that a country with guns isnt nearly as violent as anti-gun activist would claim?

Because you don't even know why "everyone in Switzerland has an assault rifle"?

Stu35:

and explain why everyone in Switzerland has an assault rifle yet has something like 34 murders

Because if they break open the case on their government issued assault rifle for anything but their military duties then they face lengthy prison sentences.

That bullshit. If that is the case then every person in Switzerland would have gone to jail. Switzerland have their own annual national shooting where the government provide free ammo for everybody.

Switzerland have a proud tradition of taking out their rifles that the government gave to them for shooing. The rifles belong to them forever. It is pass through generations.

http://worldradio.ch/wrs/news/video/staring-down-the-barrel-of-switzerlands-gun-tradit.shtml

http://www.knabenschiessen.ch/htdocs/?m=index&action=view_home

To our Switzerland friends. I understand that liberals have attempted to ban guns in your country and failed. Fight back and don't give them an inch.

BUY A BIG BLOODY GUN!

LIKE A HAND CANNON!

or you could just buy one of those lame handguns that are small compact boringly named numbered guns which people talk about a lot but make no sense as their talking gun gibberish

like some of these guns nuts would rage about the damn slightest adjustment to bullet diameter as if their lives depended on it.

Staskala:

Jegsimmons:
i have sources, and if you dont like them how about a google search, you are at a PC. take advantage of that.

Also, definition of violent crime: "A violent crime or crime of violence is a crime in which the offender uses or threatens to use violent force upon the victim."

im pretty sure thats near universal.

No, it's not. Many countries only count crimes as violent if the assault actually results in injuries, some only if the injuries are at least "mild", a very small number only if the injuries could have resulted in serious bodily harm. Hence why "violent crime" is completely fucking useless to make any comparisons.

so even using a stricter definition of violent crime, they still have an increase in violent crime and Britain still has more violent crime than the US.......what was your point?

Also, even if i dont know jack shit about those countries, riddle me this, isn't it odd that a country with guns isnt nearly as violent as anti-gun activist would claim?

Because you don't even know why "everyone in Switzerland has an assault rifle"?[/quote]

apparently for the same god damn reasons the US does, protection and foreign invaders and to build up a militia when needed.

Grant Hobba:
Hey guys,

I just got back from my holiday on Hamilton island, I got to have my first real go with a few different hand guns, a Glock 9mm, SW .38, SW.357 magnum and the fabled SW .44 Magnum.

I had an absolute ball and it has convinced me to purchase my first gun.

The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special :)

what do you guys think?

do any of you own any firearms or even go shooting yourselves?

I own several and shoot frequently. I'm a big fan of the CZ 75 and CZ in general although I'm curious as to what model CZ 75 you were looking at (CZ 75B or pre-b). 9mm ammo is fairly inexpensive as far as handgun calibers go (at least in the states) although I love the feel of a .38 special. .38 Special ammo is significantly more expensive though. I actually really like shooting .22LR even though it's not a very large or manly caliber. I've got a CZ 452 rifle in .22LR and it's great fun to shoot. I've also got an SKS made in the 70's that's great to shoot as well, especially since surplus 7.62x39 is about the same price as 9mm and I'm more of a rifle guy anyway.

Bara_no_Hime:

Grant Hobba:
The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special :)

what do you guys think?

The CZ75 hands down. The CZ75 is the most accurate handgun in the world.

Although you'll probably be stuck with a "new" model since the (more accurate wood gripped) old model is super expensive collector's item now.

Either way, CZ75s are fucking awesome. Just ask Rally Vincent. ^^

Gotta love Gunsmith Cats. The original model actually didn't have wood grips, Rally installed those custom. Either way though, the original model CZ 75 is, in my opinion, the finest handgun ever made.

tr00per7:
like some of these guns nuts would rage about the damn slightest adjustment to bullet diameter as if their lives depended on it.

Do you prefer to be shot with 9x19 Parabellum or 10mm Auto? 10mm Auto has more energy at 100yards than .45 ACP has at the muzzle. Choose wisely.

Do you prefer being shot with .380 ACP (9x17mm) or .357 Magnum? They practically have the same diameter.
Hint: .357 Mag will stop a bear.

itsausernamewhatofit:
Gotta love Gunsmith Cats. The original model actually didn't have wood grips, Rally installed those custom. Either way though, the original model CZ 75 is, in my opinion, the finest handgun ever made.

^^ Nice to see someone get my obscure manga references. ^^

And yes, CZ75 is indeed the finest handgun ever made.

So OP - buy one. They're fucking awesome.

If I ever buy a gun, it'll be a CZ75.

ElPatron:

UBERSNIP

.380 is not a puny round. It's not 9x19, but like you said you shoot until the opponent is down.

I would absolutely trust .380 if I had to stick with a PPK.

Also, I thought this was about target shooting and not self-defense?

I target shoot my handguns, but I also keep a mag loaded with self defense rounds in the gun vault with them. This is more of a "Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it" type of thing, as I hope I don't ever have to use that precaution.

jdun:

Jodah:

jdun:

I own a number of firearms and I do have CZ75B and SW revolvers. You can't go wrong with them. I currently carrying Glock 19 as my primary conceal weapon. The Glock 19 is considered by many the best all around handgun. However in near future I think I switch to Kahr CW9 for my primary conceal carry because it smaller.

The CZ75B is a very very good pistol. It is the most cloned handgun in the world. It is a full length handgun so that means not very concealable. Let me know if you have questions on handguns.

There are a lot of gun forum on the web. I suggest you might want to take a look at AR15.com in the handgun section.

I have a Kahr CW9 as my primary conceal weapon. It's a great gun. I have it tricked out with a Crimson Trace laser sight. With proper handling it is a great gun, it is a happy medium between a full sized handgun like my Glock 22 and a pocket gun like my mom's lady smith .38 special.

The one word of advice I do have with it is if you ride the slide of your handguns you will have problems with a CW9. If the slide doesn't have 100% power to slide forward the first bullet won't feed. Even the lightest touch can cause problems if you don't let go all the way.

It does have a REALLY long trigger pull too. Obnoxiously so almost. But that is the only problem I've found with it.

I'm thinking about getting one in the very near future. Is the recoil spring standard or modified (extra strength) on your CW9?

Standard. The only thing I modified was attaching the CT sight. The slide problem seems to be common. I rode the slide a couple times when I first got it for inspection purposes and thought it was defective. Did some quick google searching though and it seems to be a common issue.

Just remembered another downside as well, additional magazines are pretty expensive.

I like it, don't get me wrong. It just has some issues, as most handguns do.

Bara_no_Hime:

itsausernamewhatofit:
Gotta love Gunsmith Cats. The original model actually didn't have wood grips, Rally installed those custom. Either way though, the original model CZ 75 is, in my opinion, the finest handgun ever made.

^^ Nice to see someone get my obscure manga references. ^^

Nice to see there is someone else in this world willing to reference Gunsmith Cats.

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