Do you like Bob?
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38.3% (80)
38.3% (80)
No
33% (69)
33% (69)
Oh, either way...
11.5% (24)
11.5% (24)
I like Bob Dobb, if that
1% (2)
1% (2)
I prefer PlayItBogart/Egoraptor, thanks.
15.8% (33)
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Devoneaux:

Hero in a half shell:

Terminate421:

Another point is, its like there are three people on this site when it comes to the issue:

For the movement: Jim Sterling
Neutral Either Way: Yahtzee
Against the movement: Moviebob

Yes Shepard, this is the choice you must make. If you choose Jim Sterling you will wipe out all synthetics, including the internets, but the peace won't last. Soon your children will create internets, and then the chaos will come back.

Or do you think you can control it? Yahtzee could never have taken control, because he already controlled the hate. You will die, you will control the internets, but you will lose everything you have.

There is another solution. Moviebob. Add your energy to the Escapists, everything you are will be absorbed and then sent out. The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new artistic integrity... a new videogame medium.

The paths are open, but you have to choose.

*Picks renegade and shoots in the head*

I'm tired of your disingenuous assertions!

"Argh! Bullets! My one weakness, how could you have known?!?"

The Catalyst child melts like the witch from the wizard of Oz, then the ghost water goo stuff it's made of drips down into the machinery, short circuiting the citadel. Emergency sirens start blaring:

*Warning* Critical power failure in Citadel. Insufficient energy to continue Reaper communication. Wifi disengaged. *Click* Direct control aborted. You must construct additional pylons. Please do not turn off citadel or disconnect plug while shutting down *Bzzzzzt* The lights go out, leaving Shepard in darkness, as he runs off to teabag the Illusive man (It's what he would have wanted.)

Cut to earth, where we see the reapers all shuddering and falling limp and dead on the ground, as the ground forces rejoice, then cut to the other solar systems showing the same thing in each system, with the respective native aliens celebrating.

Cut back to the Citadel, where we see the Normandy landing, as Joker runs out and finds Commander Sheperd. "I'd never desert you" he says, before cheekily winking at the camera. As they walk back to the ship Anderson joins them. Shepard stops and stares in disbelief, but Anderson handwaves it in two words, "Regenerating health". They fly off into the sunset.

God damn it Bob at least know what you're talking about before you start complaining about the retake ME3. That whole I am legend part he added in just annoyed. The Ending was changed before the game even came out!

It's important to note that he has had much flack in the past for things not limited to but including: defending Other M, calling the Halo series racist, and (this is one is probably the worst offender) liking Spider-Man 3.

So he hasn't had a stellar track record, but I don't want to seem like I'm putting an ad hominem attack on him (that would be silly).

We shouldn't lose sight of the facts though. He, Graham, Yathzee, etc, they aren't just critics. They are guys like us all with an opinion on the issue, they aren't gaming gods or have ultimate influence (or I should hope not). When they broadcast their opinions, it simply allows us to show our own conflicting or joining views (maybe I'll start a thread on that).

Hero in a half shell:

Terminate421:

Another point is, its like there are three people on this site when it comes to the issue:

For the movement: Jim Sterling
Neutral Either Way: Yahtzee
Against the movement: Moviebob

Yes Shepard, this is the choice you must make.

This shit just got super meta.

DVS BSTrD:
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Can you clarify your rebuttal of Graham's argument? I'm not sure I understood it fully (though I got the sarcasm).

I actually know very little about Jim, he's been often accused of being a tool, but I'll reserve judgement.

I need to stop giving the man views.

I'm not going to start hating on him or anything, but much as I have sometimes agreed with him on certain topics in the past, every so often something comes up that makes me unsure of him. Normally I just chalk these up to difference of opinion and move on, but these Mass Effect videos have actually left me feeling angry and insulted.

Now Bob is certainly allowed to upset whomever he likes in his videos, but I don't personally feel comfortable supporting him any more. I gave him the benefit of the doubt after the first video (after a brief cooldown period), but I really can't believe he's going out of his way to piss the same people off AGAIN.

So long Bob, it's been (sort of) fun.

Guess I just need to break the habit of blindly clicking on every new video that pops up on the Escapist's homepage :P

Eamar:
I need to stop giving the man views.

I'm not going to start hating on him or anything, but much as I have sometimes agreed with him on certain topics in the past, every so often something comes up that makes me unsure of him. Normally I just chalk these up to difference of opinion and move on, but these Mass Effect videos have actually left me feeling angry and insulted.

Now Bob is certainly allowed to upset whomever he likes in his videos, but I don't personally feel comfortable supporting him any more. I gave him the benefit of the doubt after the first video (after a brief cooldown period), but I really can't believe he's going out of his way to piss the same people off AGAIN.

So long Bob, it's been (sort of) fun.

Guess I just need to break the habit of blindly clicking on every new video that pops up on the Escapist's homepage :P

It's harder than it sounds, but every time I go to click his stuff here I just remember how much I dislike being called a whiny baby bitch. Usually does the trick.

So you're arguing with his opinion. Congratulations, you got the point.

Just to clear the waters before I dive in, I'm not saying that Bob's a troll here. At all.

But he's made a video, of his opinion, for the viewer to agree or disagree with. You disagree. Other people agree. There's no be all end all view on this - there's no be all end all view on anything. He's presenting his opinion in the way he sees fit. If you feel it's insulting towards you personally - you know, I don't even have to explain this part, he explained it himself in crystal clear terms three minutes into the video, unless Navi's voice is a couple Hertz above your hearing range.

But by all means, think that you're in some way superior to him by resorting to personal attacks. Ever heard the one about the pot and the kettle?

Note: not all of this is directed at the OP, or indeed you, dear reader. It's just an outlash against the general trend.

I completely agree with the OP, i like most of Bob's stuff but he's just being an absolute tool about the whole Mass Effect ending situation. His film reviews help me decide what to go spend my money on watching and he makes many good points in the various "overthinker"/"big picture" style things he does.

But seriously Bob: Chill the fuck out and stop preaching at us, if it was anyone else i would genuinely think they were trolling.

Well, since the only arguments I've seen against him are that he "doesn't get it" or that he's wrong because he's wrong, I might have to give it to him here.

Terminate421:
Holding us back?! HA! When we, as a community, are loud enough, developers listen, this is a good thing, why do you think that MW3 held onto its "quick-scoping"? Because people asked for it (As wrong as it was) Bethesda also changed the ending to Fallout 3!

...Well, I never thought I'd see someone actually admitting to that. And those two changes may have been good, but if the community knows they can get whatever they want by screaming loud enough, that's where the problems come from. If developers will bend whenever there's a massive outcry then they've basically given up control.

V8 Ninja:
we should always fight for the "Right" thing at this time, even if that thing is fixing a bad ending to a video game.

This is honestly massive bullshit. Until you can prove that the ending was objectively bad (which you can't, majority opinion =/= objectivity), "fixing" it isn't the "Right" thing.

While Bob does have a few points in his favor, they all relate to what could happen to video games as opposed to what will happen, none of which justify now. While we should be wary of the future, we should always fight for the "Right" thing at this time, even if that thing is fixing a bad ending to a video game. And besides, if the extended ending doesn't make people happy I'm sure the fans will get so pissed that they'll all make their own ending, which will probably be 10 times better than what Bioware cooked up at the last minute.

SadakoMoose:
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I think you put War and Peace to shame with that...

Anyways, I found myself nearly unable to even click the link to watch the video. I just know what his opinion would be, even before reading your post.

For all the good points I find myself agreeing with Bob on (none this episode), The fact I have realized is that Bob is a preachy sonfabitch. And when he has an opinion about something, he creates hyperboles and strawmen to support his opinions. And even worse, when he has a very strong opinion about something, he always insults and berates those that oppose his opinion (The Expendables review in particular, as well as the few that fallowed.) It makes it hard to take anything from him as serious.

MacNille:
Don't forget,this have set gaming back a whole TEN YEARS (yes, Moviebob said that on his twets).

Like this! He acts like this will destroy the very foundation of gaming. In fact, I think if we were to go with his opinion of "games being art", that would end up being even worse for the medium.

I swear, Im gonna have to start putting points into Constitution just to watch his OverThinker and possibly movie reviews. Thankfully, The Big Picture is still tolerable.

I suspect that Bob keeps bringing this up because it's just another opportunity for him to mock people and act like the elitist that he is. He's nothing more than some pompous ass that has this particular view on the world and spazzes the fuck out when people don't agree with it. It is pathetic and nauseating.

Also, he still doesn't seem to get the point of the ME3 ending debacle. He goes on a tangent about how people might have reacted badly to the ending of the Godfather much the same as the Re-take movement because it's sad. That's not the point you lazy fuck! I didn't play the games and I was able to see why the ending is reviled: it sucks and makes no damn sense to the proceedings. It makes moot every second spent on the series. But it doesn't matter to him does it? It's just another opportunity for him to talk down to people and act smart.

Mylinkay Asdara:

It's harder than it sounds, but every time I go to click his stuff here I just remember how much I dislike being called a whiny baby bitch. Usually does the trick.

I think quite a few of them have never actually been on the side he has argued against so they didn't notice just how blatant his straw-manning and ignorance was. If you agree with Bob, and sometimes you will, it is easy to overlook his excesses as you justify them as being right in spirit or all in good fun.

However once you actually examine what he's talking about his whole argument falls to pieces.

Or maybe I'm one of those evil 90s jocks who because of my dislike of say sucker-punch and Scott Pilgrim (I actually like that movie) and we should be glad that Bob was bullied by my hands so that he could rise to glory and spread his benevolent "wisdom" to the good children of the internet.

Or maybe he is an arrogant, ignorant, pretentious douche-bag who squanders his intellect by never challenging his assumption or actually doing any research. Which is a shame.

I'll let you decide!

Terminate421:
Bob is and always has been a hypocrite on the internet, his poisonous opinions have led to the idea that since he was "bullied in school", he can bully everyone else....

Then comes his arguments against the ending, even though he hasn't played the damned thing. This is like attempting to ban Coca-cola without actually tasting it.

Holding us back?! HA! When we, as a community, are loud enough, developers listen, this is a good thing, why do you think that MW3 held onto its "quick-scoping"? Because people asked for it (As wrong as it was) Bethesda also changed the ending to Fallout 3!

I also love how he ignored that fans wanted the ending to the original Sherlock Holmes changed so they litterally picketed the author until he wrote more of the famous detective

Another point is, its like there are three people on this site when it comes to the issue:

For the movement: Jim Sterling
Neutral Either Way: Yahtzee
Against the movement: Moviebob

Color coded red, green, and blue for your convenience! :D

.......
Oh god, what have I become?

370999:

Mylinkay Asdara:

It's harder than it sounds, but every time I go to click his stuff here I just remember how much I dislike being called a whiny baby bitch. Usually does the trick.

I think quite a few of them have never actually been on the side he has argued against so they didn't notice just how blatant his straw-manning and ignorance was. If you agree with Bob, and sometimes you will, it is easy to overlook his excesses as you justify them as being right in spirit or all in good fun.

However once you actually examine what he's talking about his whole argument falls to pieces.

Or maybe I'm one of those evil 90s jocks who because of my dislike of say sucker-punch and Scott Pilgrim (I actually like that movie) we should be glad that Bob was bullied by my hands to rise and spread his benevolent "wisdom" to the good children of the internet.

Or maybe he is an arrogant, ignorant, pretentious douche-bag who squanders his intellect by never challenging his assumption or actually doing any research. Which is a shame.

I'll let you decide!

I'll take the latter. It fits what is.

Freechoice:
He has good points every now and then, but he's a preachy, over-indulgent fuck that thinks the 80's were great, but the 90's were awful.

That's beyond fucking retarded.

Not retarded. That's nostalgic. That's simplistic. That's idealistic.

It nothing more than this. He was a kid in the 80s, but was a teenager in the 90s. That is pretty much it. If you were a kid in the 90s, you would fondly remember that time too. It's the same going back centuries. Things that remind people of childhood are automatically better and things that remind people of awkward moments suck.

As for me, I am a child of the 80s, but I do not live there. A lot of the things that I like, cartoons, animated movies, non network programming, video games, computers, etc, have gotten much better in the last 25 years.

Lovely Mixture:
It's important to note that he has had much flack in the past for things not limited to but including: defending Other M, calling the Halo series racist, and (this is one is probably the worst offender) liking Spider-Man 3.

DVS BSTrD:
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Can you clarify your rebuttal of Graham's argument? I'm not sure I understood it fully (though I got the sarcasm).

I actually know very little about Jim, he's been often accused of being a tool, but I'll reserve judgement.

He literally said that Bioware going back and "fixing" Mass Effect was the same as George Lucas repeatedly making all those "alterations" to Star Wars. I'M saying that Casey Hudson ALREADY pulled a George Lucas with Mass Effect's ending. Changing something is NOT bad as a rule! And of course he got into the whole, "they made it, it's their game, they can do what they want" artistic integrity crap.
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/the-masses-are-effected

Lovely Mixture:
It's important to note that he has had much flack in the past for things not limited to but including: defending Other M, calling the Halo series racist, and (this is one is probably the worst offender) liking Spider-Man 3.

How could he!?! HOW could he call Halo racist?

malestrithe:

Freechoice:
He has good points every now and then, but he's a preachy, over-indulgent fuck that thinks the 80's were great, but the 90's were awful.

That's beyond fucking retarded.

Not retarded. That's nostalgic. That's simplistic. That's idealistic.

It nothing more than this. He was a kid in the 80s, but was a teenager in the 90s. That is pretty much it. If you were a kid in the 90s, you would fondly remember that time too. It's the same going back centuries. Things that remind people of childhood are automatically better and things that remind people of awkward moments suck.

As for me, I am a child of the 80s, but I do not live there. A lot of the things that I like, cartoons, animated movies, non network programming, video games, computers, etc, have gotten much better in the last 25 years.

But we can objectively say a lot of things were shitty about the 80's.

The Reagan administration
The Smurfs
Retarded action movies
My Little Pony (it wasn't FIM)
Lennon was killed
AIDS pandemic began

Now look at the 90's
Nickelodeon had great programming.
Cartoon Network had great programming.
The internet was becoming mainstream.
N64, Dreamcast, PS1
Star Trek: TNG started being good in the 90's
Simpsons was at its height in the 90's.
The Matrix

That's just a few things.

Look at all of this stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s

It's fucking amazing.

Also, That 80's Show failed hard.

MacNille:
Don't forget,this have set gaming back a whole TEN YEARS (yes, Moviebob said that on his twets). His points are fucking stupid. That he doesn't "get it" that we don't like it for being a downer ending. It's because it makes no fucking sense!

Sounds like a complement, 10 years ago in 2002 had some pretty good releases.

From personal experience, notable releases were:

Ratchet and Clank
Warcraft III
Age of Mythology
Kingdom Hearts
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City

From what I gather from other people, other notable releases were:

The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
TimeSplitters 2
Neverwinter Nights
Medieval: Total War
Battlefield 1942
Animal Crossing
Metroid Prime
Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell

Quite a good year for successful original ip, taking the industry back a decade to learn what they did right might not be a bad idea. To be honest though, I think we need to take gaming back even further. Back to the days when the SNES was riding high and Sega made really fun Sonic the Hedgehog games.

______________

My personal view of Bob is that he's very likable and interesting when he's talking about something he enjoys but when he's angry, he's not worth listening to. I wonder if in a decade from now he'll post something similar to his view of complaints about the Star Wars prequels where he says he was very vocal and angry at the time and it just wasn't worth it (I'm probably remembering that somewhat wrong though).

MovieBob's been falling out of favor with me for several months now. His resent whine-fest regarding ME3 was the final nail in the coffin as far as I am concerned.

Smart about movies (well not always, but most of the time).

Very dumb about games.

There is my opinion.

Freechoice:

But we can objectively say a lot of things were shitty about the 80's.

The Reagan administration
The Smurfs
Retarded action movies
My Little Pony (it wasn't FIM)
Lennon was killed
AIDS pandemic began

Now look at the 90's
Nickelodeon had great programming.
Cartoon Network had great programming.
The internet was becoming mainstream.
N64, Dreamcast, PS1
Star Trek: TNG started being good in the 90's
Simpsons was at its height in the 90's.
The Matrix

That's just a few things.

Look at all of this stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s

It's fucking amazing.

Also, That 80's Show failed hard.

That 80's show failed not because the 80s sucked, but it was a terrible idea.

You are making the same mistake that Moviebob and other nostalgia people are doing. You are stacking the deck trying to make the argument more one sided better than it actually is. You are taking one decade's highlights and comparing them to another's lowlights.

Or as someone so elegantly put it. "Yes, I know there were bad things from those decades. I just choose not think about them."

No decade is perfect. It only seems perfect when you look at them through the lens of nostalgia.

Also, if you think about it. here are some bad things about the 90s

Boy Bands
Clinton Sex scandals
FoxNews becoming a political force
Right Wing Punditry in general
Dawson's Creek
7th Heaven
MTV becoming less Diverse, more willing to listen to corporate interests
First Gulf War
Waco Texas

malestrithe:

Freechoice:

But we can objectively say a lot of things were shitty about the 80's.

The Reagan administration
The Smurfs
Retarded action movies
My Little Pony (it wasn't FIM)
Lennon was killed
AIDS pandemic began

Now look at the 90's
Nickelodeon had great programming.
Cartoon Network had great programming.
The internet was becoming mainstream.
N64, Dreamcast, PS1
Star Trek: TNG started being good in the 90's
Simpsons was at its height in the 90's.
The Matrix

That's just a few things.

Look at all of this stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s

It's fucking amazing.

Also, That 80's Show failed hard.

That 80's show failed not because the 80s sucked, but it was a terrible idea.

You are making the same mistake that Moviebob and other nostalgia people are doing. You are stacking the deck trying to make the argument more one sided better than it actually is. You are taking one decade's highlights and comparing them to another's lowlights.

Or as someone so elegantly put it. "Yes, I know there were bad things from those decades. I just choose not think about them."

No decade is perfect. It only seems perfect when you look at them through the lens of nostalgia.

Also, if you think about it. here are some bad things about the 90s

Boy Bands
Watergate
FoxNews becoming a political force
Right Wing Punditry in general
Dawson's Creek
7th Heaven
MTV becoming less Diverse, more willing to listen to corporate interests
First Gulf War
Waco Texas

Watergate was the 70's fyi.

Fappy:

Watergate was the 70's fyi.

Meant to say Whitewater. But you knew that and wanted to troll me.

malestrithe:

Fappy:

Watergate was the 70's fyi.

Meant to say Whitewater. But you knew that and wanted to troll me.

Actually no, I had no idea that's what you meant.

malestrithe:

Fappy:

Watergate was the 70's fyi.

Meant to say Whitewater. But you knew that and wanted to troll me.

You can only troll someone who makes it possible, and that's assuming he is trolling.

Now in all seriousness, I really hope that for his sake alone, The last ten minutes of The Avengers...SUCKS. Just so I can believe in the existence of karma.

Devoneaux:

malestrithe:

Fappy:

Watergate was the 70's fyi.

Meant to say Whitewater. But you knew that and wanted to troll me.

You can only troll someone who makes it possible, and that's assuming he is trolling.

Now in all seriousness, I really hope that for his sake alone, The last ten minutes of The Avengers...SUCKS. Just so I can believe in the existence of karma.

It has to suck but then it turns out the original didn't suck. And they then offer to sell it for dedicated fans.

I would piss myself laughing.

He is a movie reviewer, I watch moviebob and I occasionally watch the big picture. I like the guy and it seems he knows of lot of interesting stuff (especially core nerd fandom related stuff, which i'll be honest has never really interested me, but bob manages to make interesting and he actually got my psyched about seeing the avengers movie) BUT his opinion on games means jack, and he can come across as being extremely ignorant about certain topics and I think he is a little to much *comic book guy* to be ever taken perfectly seriously.

Fappy:
MovieBob's been falling out of favor with me for several months now. His resent whine-fest regarding ME3 was the final nail in the coffin as far as I am concerned.

Agreed, most of his shows have really slowed down to the point I've stopped even watching, and the ME3 jab sealed the deal. It was an unprofessional move and the audacity of it was just shocking. It was basically him mocking his audience like some kind of nostalgic elitist.

He seems to have completely forgotten his audience and the themes of his shows have drastically deviated course. He doesn't understand that the main appeal of his shows were that they were informative and while he may have mentioned his own opinion it was never to the point it was never the point that it was a problem. Sure I disagreed with some of his opinion before but he would argue his thinking in a logically structured manner causing me to at least see into his way of thinking. (most of the time)

Now it's just a trite pandering few minutes on why he thinks ______ is bad for _______. All usually ending that it's modern day ignorant games/gamers fault. (note: this is his main audience)

370999:

Mylinkay Asdara:

It's harder than it sounds, but every time I go to click his stuff here I just remember how much I dislike being called a whiny baby bitch. Usually does the trick.

I think quite a few of them have never actually been on the side he has argued against so they didn't notice just how blatant his straw-manning and ignorance was. If you agree with Bob, and sometimes you will, it is easy to overlook his excesses as you justify them as being right in spirit or all in good fun.

However once you actually examine what he's talking about his whole argument falls to pieces.

Or maybe I'm one of those evil 90s jocks who because of my dislike of say sucker-punch and Scott Pilgrim (I actually like that movie) and we should be glad that Bob was bullied by my hands so that he could rise to glory and spread his benevolent "wisdom" to the good children of the internet.

Or maybe he is an arrogant, ignorant, pretentious douche-bag who squanders his intellect by never challenging his assumption or actually doing any research. Which is a shame.

I'll let you decide!

I wrote him a message (which I knew then he probably wouldn't read) just asking him to look into what he was talking about a bit more and make an attempt at seeing the other side of the argument. I see his side - minus the name calling and the hyperbole, there's a point to be made about what it could set as precedent for a company to make such a change based on this type of reaction and there's a widely embraced philosophy that what we get is what we have to live with. I don't agree, but I see the logic and I understand the concern. I just wanted him to take a look at the same thing on the other side. He hasn't. He won't. I'm not interested in people who can't be bothered to be open to different perspectives. It's a bummer too, because I followed Big Picture and his movie reviews - looked forward to them. I just won't play them anymore though - my click is the only voice I get with someone who's going to ignore all comments, so I'm using it.

malestrithe:

Boy Bands
Clinton Sex scandals
FoxNews becoming a political force
Right Wing Punditry in general
Dawson's Creek
7th Heaven
MTV becoming less Diverse, more willing to listen to corporate interests
First Gulf War
Waco Texas

You want me to go through that and point out what's bad and what's hilarious? Half of it is hilarious.

'sides, even if I did the fair thing and compared the best of the 90's to the best of 80's... 90's win.

By far.

FABULOUS SECRET POWERS

malestrithe:

Freechoice:

But we can objectively say a lot of things were shitty about the 80's.

The Reagan administration
The Smurfs
Retarded action movies
My Little Pony (it wasn't FIM)
Lennon was killed
AIDS pandemic began

Now look at the 90's
Nickelodeon had great programming.
Cartoon Network had great programming.
The internet was becoming mainstream.
N64, Dreamcast, PS1
Star Trek: TNG started being good in the 90's
Simpsons was at its height in the 90's.
The Matrix

That's just a few things.

Look at all of this stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s

It's fucking amazing.

Also, That 80's Show failed hard.

That 80's show failed not because the 80s sucked, but it was a terrible idea.

You are making the same mistake that Moviebob and other nostalgia people are doing. You are stacking the deck trying to make the argument more one sided better than it actually is. You are taking one decade's highlights and comparing them to another's lowlights.

Or as someone so elegantly put it. "Yes, I know there were bad things from those decades. I just choose not think about them."

No decade is perfect. It only seems perfect when you look at them through the lens of nostalgia.

Also, if you think about it. here are some bad things about the 90s

Boy Bands
Clinton Sex scandals
FoxNews becoming a political force
Right Wing Punditry in general
Dawson's Creek
7th Heaven
MTV becoming less Diverse, more willing to listen to corporate interests
First Gulf War
Waco Texas

Freechoice:

Ah, I was thinking along similar lines

Remember, while the 90's excelled in many things they also popularized those stupid saggy pants fashion trend, The Phantom Menace was brought into existance, the popularity of boy bands exploded and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act was created.

Also for kids who were in a house with one tv, many days were spent watching things like the OJ trial and news about Clinton's humping partner instead of the Simpsons that usually aired around that timeslot.

Oh yeah, remember the fear of Y2K bug. All digital clocks would go from 99 to 00 which would somehow cause the world's supply of nukes to autofire(targeting every major city, naturally) and destroy us all. Still a better story than the 2012 Mayan apocalypse though.

There was a lot of great things that came out of the 90s but there was a lot of shite too.

There was also Jackass Thompson using the Colombine shooting to further his political views.

Mylinkay Asdara:

I wrote him a message (which I knew then he probably wouldn't read) just asking him to look into what he was talking about a bit more and make an attempt at seeing the other side of the argument. I see his side - minus the name calling and the hyperbole, there's a point to be made about what it could set as precedent for a company to make such a change based on this type of reaction and there's a widely embraced philosophy that what we get is what we have to live with. I don't agree, but I see the logic and I understand the concern. I just wanted him to take a look at the same thing on the other side. He hasn't. He won't. I'm not interested in people who can't be bothered to be open to different perspectives. It's a bummer too, because I followed Big Picture and his movie reviews - looked forward to them. I just won't play them anymore though - my click is the only voice I get with someone who's going to ignore all comments, so I'm using it.

Oh I get you. I think people on his side don't realize just how noxious what he's saying is to their argument. I remember debating with someone on this forum about retake ME and he brought up how there was a failure to deal with the crazy elements in the group, and he was right in saying that but I could instantly bring up Bob as a response.

Because no matte how easy Bob finds it to knock down a strawman, it is even easier for move to point to his video and say "People like this don't get it".

And I feel that does rob that side of the argument, and I do think this is an discussion that should happen, of rationality. And I think this applies to anything Bob touches, even the stuff I agree with him on, you do have to divorce yourself from him, say "This guy agrees with me but he's just the extreme fringe" and in a way that's quite the tragic position for bob to let himself fall into.

Look I'm pretty similar to you, his Mass Effect video was where I said no more. I then looked at the comments to the Raid review and apparently he went on a huge tangent about American Pie: Reunion and how high school sucks, so I didn't feel that I lost too much.

I think fundamentally it comes down to an unwillingness or a lack of ability to divorce Bob the person from the reviews/arguments/etc he outputs beyond which is normally acceptable. Which always tarnishes them by making them of limited utility to anyone not MovieBob.

Bob isn't a stupid man. Nowhere near as clever as he thinks but not stupid. But he is so lazy and holds his viewers in such contempt to not even bother to attempt research is well, insulting.

Clearly he get's views though so in the end I'll avoid him and I will suggest to the Escapist community at large to just keep in mind that if Bob won't even do you the courtesy of providing a well researched argument then why should you do the courtesy of watching it?

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Oh I get you. I think people on his side don't realize just how noxious what he's saying is to their argument. I remember debating with someone on this forum about retake ME and he brought up how there was a failure to deal with the crazy elements in the group, and he was right in saying that but I could instantly bring up Bob as a response.

Because no matte how easy Bob finds it to knock down a strawman, it is even easier for move to point to his video and say "People like this don't get it".

And I feel that does rob that side of the argument, and I do think this is an discussion that should happen, of rationality. And I think this applies to anything Bob touches, even the stuff I agree with him on, you do have to divorce yourself from him, say "This guy agrees with me but he's just the extreme fringe" and in a way that's quite the tragic position for bob to let himself fall into.

Look I'm pretty similar to you, his Mass Effect video was where I said no more. I then looked at the comments to the Raid review and apparently he went on a huge tangent about American Pie: Reunion and how high school sucks, so I didn't feel that I lost too much.

I think fundamentally it comes down to an unwillingness or a lack of ability to divorce Bob the person from the reviews/arguments/etc he outputs beyond which is normally acceptable. Which always tarnishes them by making them of limited utility to anyone not MovieBob.

Bob isn't a stupid man. Nowhere near as clever as he thinks but not stupid. But he is so lazy and holds his viewers in such contempt to not even bother to attempt research is well, insulting.

Clearly he get's views though so in the end I'll avoid him and I will suggest to the Escapist community at large to just keep in mind that if Bob won't even do you the courtesy of providing a well researched argument then why should you do the courtesy of watching it?

Agreed. It's a shame though, always, when people who could be more choose not to be.

Makes me wish I didn't vote for him in the My vids don't suck contest.

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