You Can't Be the Hero If You're the Rapist

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MaxTheReaper:

Rape can never serve a good purpose.

What about if aliens invaded and started killing everyone and the only way to dispatch them was to rape them? Not to be overly pedantic, but I think it would be justified in that situation.

As for the game - from what I've read, I can't approve. On the plus side, however, it's nice to see developers thinking outside of the box... or... um... inside. Sorry.

I haven't read every single post so my apologies if this has already been said, but has anyone else realised that there can only really be one reason for someone wanting this game? Its not like they're going to be playing it for an intricate plot or to beat a high score, chances are it'd be played because they get off on this stuff...

General rape aspects aside, I think the most disturbing thing for me is the box art. I mean, c'mon, it has a CHILD on it, looking very fearful at the protagonists approach.

Defend the censorship of a game about rape all you want, but that cover potentially advertises child rape too, and theres no way in hell anyone can say THAT shouldn't be censored.

UtopiaV1:

Yea, i got through the storyline, but it's just too much effort as opposed to regular porn, and the LAST thing u need when watching porn is extra effort :P

Ironically, the "gameplay" requires physical movements most similar to wanking.

!NSFW! Of course, soon you won't even need that.

Here is my weak attempt at being devil's advocate:

Considering that this game came from Japan, they already did create a "rape hero/anti-hero" with The Rapeman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rapeman

Another anti-hero who rapes: Alex from A Clockwork Orange

And what about our fascination with being the villain? It's not necessary/fun to be "the hero" all the time.

Mewick_Alex:

General rape aspects aside, I think the most disturbing thing for me is the box art. I mean, c'mon, it has a CHILD on it, looking very fearful at the protagonists approach.

Defend the censorship of a game about rape all you want, but that cover potentially advertises child rape too, and theres no way in hell anyone can say THAT shouldn't be censored.

Right, I'm going to go all ultimate devil's advocate on this.
Why should it be censored? I claim that it should not as I don't see the harm posed by this. Rape is okay, but if the character veers too close to what the censors deem a child, the scene's cut? Where is the line drawn there? There's no way to tell the age of a video game character.

Teachingaddict:
I've said it in previous threads...

I'll never ever touch a 'rape' game, however, murder or rape, whats the difference.....both can take and ruin lifes, so why a one sided view point by many.

he has the best point :/

Kajin:

DarkNightSleeper:

fact 2) men cant be sexually abused unless it's from another man

You don't need a dick to sodomize someone. All it takes is a really big strap on.

I assume chloroform would be used to kidnap said guy? cos its going to be a give away if a woman is walking around with what would look like constant wood looking for a guy to rape.

I think fps are fun, who hasnt played an fps got a machine gun and held the fire button till either you died or everyone else did? Everyone has I bet, why cos its fun, its the same reason you play it online who is the hero, anti-hero etc when all of you are killing each other? :S

If you think rape is fun I think you have issues and would it be a big step from playing a rape game to raping someone? I know EVERYONE is going to say "but you like fps games but your not killing anyone" true, but we think our own conscience will forgive us more easily than taking someones life so we know 100% were not going to go on a columbine style shoot out and if we do theres a far worse punishment then raping someone, which doesnt play higher on our conscience then ending someones life but still plays a part.

I think theres a line of decency thats crossed when people are seriously considering making a game about raping people for nothing more than the persuit of fun.

Just my thoughts .....

Killing a bad guy can be seen from most standard views as 'good'. However, rape is a total different thing. It serves no relevant purpose for anything, other than perhaps the satisfaction of the 'hero's Libido. This is worsened when the game ratings people and worried parents get their hands around this sort of thing (remember those idiots who immediately damned mass-effect to hell as child corrupting devil spawn?. Made even >WORSE<, when the female demographic of gamers hear of it, which will spawn about 2.5 smiggigilion angry hate mails to whatever company would have the guts to produce such a game. However, people like me who are empathy lacking robot-people who would still deem a game good if it had 1000 kittens dying in fire, are not really concerned with this sort of thing. By all means, any game company reading this is more than welcome to make such a venture, and I will personally thank them for it.

omega 616:

Kajin:
[quote="DarkNightSleeper" post="6.116823.2195794"]
fact 2) men cant be sexually abused unless it's from another man

I think theres a line of decency thats crossed when people are seriously considering making a game about raping people for nothing more than the persuit of fun.

Just my thoughts .....

Devil's advocate:
Who says that all video games have to be about the pursuit of fun? What if they're trying to educate/make a point? What if they're just there to be simulations, to let perverts be perverts virtually as opposed to them being perverts in the real world? What if the "non-fun" is there to further the storyline? (FF7 SPOILER ALERT!!! Like being forced to kill Aeris in FF7?)

Vanguard_Ex:

dogstile:

Vanguard_Ex:

Cliff_m85:

WrongSprite:

MaxTheReaper:
Just responding to the question in the OP: Because murder can be justified.
See also: Dexter.

Rape can never serve a good purpose.

And now to read.

I give you GTA4. Is cutting down civilians justified? Then maybe they should both be banned.

Technically you aren't forced to cut down civilians.

Bullseye. It's your choice if you kill any civilians, like it would be in a real city, but there aren't really any consequences. Thus why it is just a game, and does not really merge with real-life.

its someones choice to play rapegames, is it not?

anyway, why are japan banning this game when america's people are outraged, america doesn't give japan profit from rape games, so japan didn't need to try and ban it at all

"we're japan, we'll bend over, for all your needs"

You miss my point. Within the game of GTA, you choose whether or not you kill civilians, whereas this game centres solely around rape.

i get your point just fine, you still choose if you rape people or not, the difference being that if you decide not to rape someone, you save cash because you didn't buy the game

as it is, we as one group of people hold no right to say that what the other people do is wrong, unless it affects us, this doesn't, so therefore the censorship is wrong

omega 616:
If you think rape is fun I think you have issues

This is the world you're talking about. We've all got issues. Besides, as I've stated before, rape games are fantasy. They're works of fiction. You're not hurting anyone by playing them because the characters being violated have never existed outside our imaginations. Once you remove the element of causing physical harm to a living breathing human being you'd be amazed at how depraved the average person can become.

Locque:

Mewick_Alex:

General rape aspects aside, I think the most disturbing thing for me is the box art. I mean, c'mon, it has a CHILD on it, looking very fearful at the protagonists approach.

Defend the censorship of a game about rape all you want, but that cover potentially advertises child rape too, and theres no way in hell anyone can say THAT shouldn't be censored.

Right, I'm going to go all ultimate devil's advocate on this.
Why should it be censored? I claim that it should not as I don't see the harm posed by this. Rape is okay, but if the character veers too close to what the censors deem a child, the scene's cut? Where is the line drawn there? There's no way to tell the age of a video game character.

Heh, kudos to you for playing devils advocate on this one.

Fair point, saying that child rape should be censored more than "normal" rape is a very fine line indeed and, yes, it IS hard to tell a characters age based purely on images. I think that my real problem with it is the fact that it is IMPLIED. The game clearly doesn't try to hide what the goal is, you rape people plain and simple, but showing this on its main form of advertising is likely to attract an even more vile form of scum. Rape is one thing, peadophilia is quite another.

I really doubt that child rape plays any part in the game itself, but implying it's presence is enough to make me grouchy i guess.

For the record I personally would be all for banning this type of game, but I can see why people would argue against such extreme censorship.

Mewick_Alex:

Locque:

Mewick_Alex:

General rape aspects aside, I think the most disturbing thing for me is the box art. I mean, c'mon, it has a CHILD on it, looking very fearful at the protagonists approach.

Defend the censorship of a game about rape all you want, but that cover potentially advertises child rape too, and theres no way in hell anyone can say THAT shouldn't be censored.

Right, I'm going to go all ultimate devil's advocate on this.
Why should it be censored? I claim that it should not as I don't see the harm posed by this. Rape is okay, but if the character veers too close to what the censors deem a child, the scene's cut? Where is the line drawn there? There's no way to tell the age of a video game character.

Heh, kudos to you for playing devils advocate on this one.

Fair point, saying that child rape should be censored more than "normal" rape is a very fine line indeed and, yes, it IS hard to tell a characters age based purely on images. I think that my real problem with it is the fact that it is IMPLIED. The game clearly doesn't try to hide what the goal is, you rape people plain and simple, but showing this on its main form of advertising is likely to attract an even more vile form of scum. Rape is one thing, peadophilia is quite another.

I really doubt that child rape plays any part in the game itself, but implying it's presence is enough to make me grouchy i guess.

For the record I personally would be all for banning this type of game, but I can see why people would argue against such extreme censorship.

Well thanks for not being combatative or hostile. I was expecting a shitstorm rather than such a subdued response.
However, how is paedophilia any worse? Is raping a 16-17 year old any different from raping a 20 year old? Are there only certain degrees of moral bankruptcy we'll allow on our screens? If that's the case how is it we allow lynchings in white supremacist games, or genocide, or mass murder? Paedophilia, like it or not, still pales in comparison to murder.

Rapelay does, I believe, feature paedophilic content. Furthermore, what you class as paedophilia in the states or elsewhere is entirely legal in Japan and much of Europe, IIRC. What about a character who's technically 18 but looks much younger? There are plenty of people like that in real life. We've had games that allow the killing of children, y'know (I'm looking at you, Fallout 2).

Locque:

Mewick_Alex:

Locque:

Mewick_Alex:

General rape aspects aside, I think the most disturbing thing for me is the box art. I mean, c'mon, it has a CHILD on it, looking very fearful at the protagonists approach.

Defend the censorship of a game about rape all you want, but that cover potentially advertises child rape too, and theres no way in hell anyone can say THAT shouldn't be censored.

Right, I'm going to go all ultimate devil's advocate on this.
Why should it be censored? I claim that it should not as I don't see the harm posed by this. Rape is okay, but if the character veers too close to what the censors deem a child, the scene's cut? Where is the line drawn there? There's no way to tell the age of a video game character.

Heh, kudos to you for playing devils advocate on this one.

Fair point, saying that child rape should be censored more than "normal" rape is a very fine line indeed and, yes, it IS hard to tell a characters age based purely on images. I think that my real problem with it is the fact that it is IMPLIED. The game clearly doesn't try to hide what the goal is, you rape people plain and simple, but showing this on its main form of advertising is likely to attract an even more vile form of scum. Rape is one thing, peadophilia is quite another.

I really doubt that child rape plays any part in the game itself, but implying it's presence is enough to make me grouchy i guess.

For the record I personally would be all for banning this type of game, but I can see why people would argue against such extreme censorship.

Well thanks for not being combatative or hostile. I was expecting a shitstorm rather than such a subdued response.
However, how is paedophilia any worse? Is raping a 16-17 year old any different from raping a 20 year old? Are there only certain degrees of moral bankruptcy we'll allow on our screens? If that's the case how is it we allow lynchings in white supremacist games, or genocide, or mass murder? Paedophilia, like it or not, still pales in comparison to murder.

Rapelay does, I believe, feature paedophilic content. Furthermore, what you class as paedophilia in the states or elsewhere is entirely legal in Japan and much of Europe, IIRC. What about a character who's technically 18 but looks much younger? There are plenty of people like that in real life. We've had games that allow the killing of children, y'know (I'm looking at you, Fallout 2).

Eh.... ok I'll admit my argument is looking somewhat weaker now. Sure there is no real discernable difference between the rape of a 16 year old and the rape of a 20 year old in terms of how socially acceptable they are, but i'd say that the child depicted is arguably intended to look younger than that, possibly of an age where they wouldn't even properly understand what is happening. I would say that this is certainly discernable from the rape of a late teen, though again this brings us back to the question of how would we tell a game characters age.

I admit defeat on this one, you're argument is stronger than mine in general and it's damn hard to find good arguing ground when it comes to what should be censored..... It's just one big grey area.

I tip my hat to you, sir.

And I tip my hat in return.

Though I feel I've helped the forces of evil somewhat by exploring censorship in such a manner.

Locque:

Rapelay does, I believe, feature paedophilic content. Furthermore, what you class as paedophilia in the states or elsewhere is entirely legal in Japan and much of Europe, IIRC. What about a character who's technically 18 but looks much younger? There are plenty of people like that in real life. We've had games that allow the killing of children, y'know (I'm looking at you, Fallout 2).

I do believe you rape a mother and her two children, one is definatly younger than 18.

Locque:

sneakypenguin:
In those games to my knowlege it was a means to an end punisher killing bad dudes hitman bad dudes with civies in the way.

Hitman regularly intentionally kills civilians just to accomplish his goal. Furthermore, his targets are quite often far from "bad guys", or at least there's not a shred of evidence that they are. You play a murderer, who kills innocent people. A far worse person than a rapist. I also find it interesting that in other media, no one would ever even consider representing the Punisher as a "good guy" (he's straddling the line between antihero and villain in the comics) but in games, he's suddenly okay? He sadistically and unnecessarily tortures people. Not that they're not bad people, but that doesn't make it okay.

Manhunt 2 did get a AO rating (almost, originally?) and was banned a few places. Manhunt is more along the lines of a "rape game" in that the violence done is very personal, but still there was a good side to that violence IIRC(survival?)

Let's not forget your character was already on death row,with no mention of being innocent, so presumably he's a goddamn psycho. I can't speak for manhunt 2. James Earl Cash also kills police officers. In GTA, the player is given the option to murder innocent civilians, the same in Crackdown. In Black & White, you're given the opportunity to commit mass murder and infant sacrifice. Games constantly allow you to be malicious and do things far worse than rape, without the thin justification of using violence for good, and no one's batted an eyebrow.

Yes but in GTA it's a matter of quick death animation and the lvl of intensity in the death process is hardly brutal in the manner of rape(i mean it's killing what you know is just a random hollow AI construct). Never played hitman so I can't speak for it. B&W i'm sure it doesn't show them being slowly tortured and killed in a sadistic manner. Whereas rape is a up close and personal crime that can't be explored with a 5 second (like death) animation that exist in most games as COD GTA 4. THere is a distinct lack of humanity in shooters and action games and games that do show the brutal side (manhunt) are heavily scrutinized.
Murder>rape in real life. End result person dead.
Murder<rape in media. its easier to accept robbery victim #1 getting shot on camera than it is to see a woman/girl get raped.

Sexist jokes in a thread about rape games? Bad idea. I think the "What's worse: rape or murder?" debate deserves a rest, too -- it's gotten way askew of the question framed in the article.

-- Alex

Bebopcola2021:

omega 616:

Kajin:

DarkNightSleeper:

fact 2) men cant be sexually abused unless it's from another man

I think theres a line of decency thats crossed when people are seriously considering making a game about raping people for nothing more than the persuit of fun.

Just my thoughts .....

Devil's advocate:
Who says that all video games have to be about the pursuit of fun? What if they're trying to educate/make a point? What if they're just there to be simulations, to let perverts be perverts virtually as opposed to them being perverts in the real world? What if the "non-fun" is there to further the storyline? (FF7 SPOILER ALERT!!! Like being forced to kill Aeris in FF7?)

Games are meant to be fun thats there reason for being weather it be holding a controller or rolling dice or with a pen and paper its designed to be fun and entertaining, even things that most people say are boring like excersize are now being made fun by the wii so games are designed for that reason. Educational games are usually for kids but educational games for adults? A game making a point? Theres got to be a better way of making you not want to rape someone by making you rape people in a game.

Kajin:

omega 616:
If you think rape is fun I think you have issues

This is the world you're talking about. We've all got issues. Besides, as I've stated before, rape games are fantasy. They're works of fiction. You're not hurting anyone by playing them because the characters being violated have never existed outside our imaginations. Once you remove the element of causing physical harm to a living breathing human being you'd be amazed at how depraved the average person can become.

Not many peoples issues result in people getting traumatized. Yeah they are fantasy etc which is why killing thousands in game isnt a moral choice for anyone but raping someone in your fantasy means you have issues and a trip to the shrinks office is in order, me thinks.

Just two general questions:

To all you "devils advocates" why do want to be a devils advocate?

What would family and friends think of you if they saw you playing a game were you were raping people? I doubt you will be popular for long ......

and the age of consent in either sweden or switzerland (if im not mistaken) is 12 yrs old!

[quote="Alex_P" post="6.116823.2198745"]Sexist jokes in a thread about rape games? Bad idea.

-- Alex

If you were talking about my comment about choloform, it wasnt a joke. I meant it as a way to say its much harder for a woman to rape a man than any other veriant (woman on woman, guy on woman etc)

DeathQuaker:
I think more to the point, a rape game *glorifies* rape and is designed for the player to *get off* on what happens in it.

Games that involve violence tend to either be completely fantastical (we are battling demons, not people) and encourages the idea of "fighting evil"; in most cases where you're perpetrating harm "for the fun of it," the game is clear about putting you in a role of a criminal or in a situation where you are constantly being told something along the lines of "You have lost karma/you are Chaotic Evil" etc.

I somehow have a feeling RapeLay and its ilk doesn't put you in the role of a monster; it in fact normalizes and rewards simulating a horrific act. The violence in video games I don't feel is normalized or shown in a way to make people feel titillated by the experience. I guess some players might feel aroused by engaging in the gameplay violence, who knows, but I doubt that is the developers' intent. I definitely can't say the same for the developers who would develop a rape game.

Oooh, game violence gets me soooooo hot!

Nothing sexier than a spleen. That's the truth, right there.

:P

sneakypenguin:

Murder<rape in media. its easier to accept robbery victim #1 getting shot on camera than it is to see a woman/girl get raped.

Not if you're into that kinda thing...

Well I have to disagree completely about this one. I don't think killing another human being is EVER justified, which is why I'm against the death penalty (in the end, someone's got to make a decision, and why should a jury or judge be deemed more competent to do so than a private individual? The idea that "the law" can't be prejudiced is incredibly naive to the point that I think few people believe it any more. Those who do should take a look at how many mentally retarded black males have been released from Death Row having been exonerated by DNA evidence over the past decade. It's pretty interesting reading and shows just how quick a society can be to blame its most vulnerable outcasts for its own evils.)

The difference between a videogame and real life is that, well, it's real life! If I kill someone in Half Life 2, I know full well that I'm not killing a real human being. I really don't see any moral difference between that and a rape that's not the rape of a real human being either. The only difference, it seems to me, is that rape is by nature more "offensive" to Westerners, right now. That hasn't always been the case (there've been enough "civilised" societies in the past where b--gery of small boys was considered a perfectly normal and healthy activity) and I doubt it will always be in the future either. Personally, I agree with society on the "rape" question, if not the "killing" one. But that doesn't mean I'm "right" about either - or that I'm "wrong". Society's ideals change constantly.

Also, I think it's fundamentally healthier to be killing someone in Team Fortress 2 than it is to be doing it in real life.

the word hero is not entirely correct to use. u should use protagonist, which means lead character. and true the rape game is horrible

DarkNightSleeper:
RAAAAWWRRRRRRRR

Interesting.

DarkNightSleeper:

fact 1) you are a male
fact 2) men cant be sexually abused unless it's from another man
fact 3) rape leaves a psychological imprint into a female's mind

Somebody I know got wasted at a party and raped by a fat girl. So... there goes that theory.

Teachingaddict:
I've said it in previous threads...

I'll never ever touch a 'rape' game, however, murder or rape, whats the difference.....both can take and ruin lifes, so why a one sided view point by many.

Most of the time the player usually murders bad people so the killing can be somewhat justified. In a rape game you are raping innocent women.

omega 616:
If you were talking about my comment about choloform, it wasnt a joke. I meant it as a way to say its much harder for a woman to rape a man than any other veriant (woman on woman, guy on woman etc)

Well you know that is hideously ignorant of the issue. While yes women tend to be weaker on average that is all it is an average, this is ignoring all the other ways people can be over powered. Weapons, numbers, drugs and the very attack it self can freeze a person, this more than even the scales and what most people don't realise is your erectile response is involuntary while most people assume this means they went along with it. Male victims tend to get looked down at and ill-treated this also means that the reporting of these incidents is very rare as rape is hard enough to admit to just on its own.

However I am not sure we should be taking a stance against jokes. Black humour is very much a part of how people work. Though I do think all this think of the what women must thing is absolute nonsense. Not only does it put out the idea women are only victims it also ignore the fact women can and do enjoy rape fantasies them selves. Yes while real rape would be terrible and life shattering there is still a part of some people that find it a turn on in thought (if you think that is weird consider bondage).

When you are killed, you don't care. You die.

When you are raped, you suffer from the rest of your life, especially if you have nobody close to you or you are afraid/embarrased to get a professional help. Wounds like that never close.

We get it people, rape is bad and should be prosecuted by the hands of the law with extreme justice. But games? Rape fantasies? What about movies with rape in them? Books? Has the word itself become somehow taboo?

When did we all turn into hysterical soccer moms?

Neither Rape nor Murder can be 'Justified', although I suppose a hero will need to kill, but thats not Murder. Anyways, at what point in a game does this hero need to walk up to a woman, grab her, drag her to his apartment and sexually assault her? Its wrong and unnecessary.

Terminalchaos:
In a similar vein, I find the slave collars in Fallout 3 to be very dark and offensive to me - I personally think slavery is worse than rape (and oftentimes rape is a condition of slavery) and the ability to sell slaves was pretty much one of the most evil things I've seen in a game (aside from genocide). That being said- I'm glad Bethesda put it in the game. If I find the slave collars offensive I don't use them and I'd be a jackass for trying to remove them from the game. Instead I just hunted the wasteland for raiders and slavers and methodically killed all the villains in Paradise Falls. I do find it odd that the slave collars didn't cause a huge uproar. Can you be a hero if you're a slaver?

Terminalchaos:
In a similar vein, I find the slave collars in Fallout 3 to be very dark and offensive to me - I personally think slavery is worse than rape (and oftentimes rape is a condition of slavery) and the ability to sell slaves was pretty much one of the most evil things I've seen in a game (aside from genocide). That being said- I'm glad Bethesda put it in the game. If I find the slave collars offensive I don't use them and I'd be a jackass for trying to remove them from the game. Instead I just hunted the wasteland for raiders and slavers and methodically killed all the villains in Paradise Falls. I do find it odd that the slave collars didn't cause a huge uproar. Can you be a hero if you're a slaver?

actually you can be a hero for being a slaver also in fallout 3 in a DLC the Pitts the slaves were being forced to rebuild the city and establish a civilized world again
and in regards to the actual world the chances of people in 1st world countries becoming slaves is well i might go out on a limp and say it wont happen and the chances of someone slaughtering large groups of people is pretty unlikely
but rape is still up there so many people, Women and Man get raped I have more friends who were raped then mugged
and out of my friends who have had a tragedy of being attacked and/or raped the ones who were raped were the ones who wanted to kill themselves some did (R.I.P)
Rape is one of the most horrible things that could happen to some one

just so its clear i love free speach I Love video games but rape should be banned from video games cause those fucking sickos shouldn't be allowed the light from the sun
and yes i know that banning a game for something allows all games to fall under that rule
then maybe video games should be banned all together cause if that makes a single sliver of the world a better place wouldnt that be worth it

ok sorry for going on a rant i just really really really HATE rape
i could wright many books about my hate for it
so ill leave with one finall thing to say
" I LOVE BIG BROTHER"

What about a game where you need to rape the women to demoralise the enemy, thus ensuring victory? Or maybe raping gives you a power up, thus ensuring victory. Then on the other hand, glorifying rape is probably going to make for an even bigger backlash than glorifying violence.

All joking aside, I think OP uncovered why rape is never a decent game mechanic: it's pointless, and it doesn't really make you feel like the hero (right?). At least when you're tearing baddies limb from limb you feel a little righteous. A game would have to have the best damn writing in the world for rape to work.

Also: why am I not surprised that Japan didn't ban those games after all?

mongorian:

Terminalchaos:
In a similar vein, I find the slave collars in Fallout 3 to be very dark and offensive to me - I personally think slavery is worse than rape (and oftentimes rape is a condition of slavery) and the ability to sell slaves was pretty much one of the most evil things I've seen in a game (aside from genocide). That being said- I'm glad Bethesda put it in the game. If I find the slave collars offensive I don't use them and I'd be a jackass for trying to remove them from the game. Instead I just hunted the wasteland for raiders and slavers and methodically killed all the villains in Paradise Falls. I do find it odd that the slave collars didn't cause a huge uproar. Can you be a hero if you're a slaver?

Terminalchaos:
In a similar vein, I find the slave collars in Fallout 3 to be very dark and offensive to me - I personally think slavery is worse than rape (and oftentimes rape is a condition of slavery) and the ability to sell slaves was pretty much one of the most evil things I've seen in a game (aside from genocide). That being said- I'm glad Bethesda put it in the game. If I find the slave collars offensive I don't use them and I'd be a jackass for trying to remove them from the game. Instead I just hunted the wasteland for raiders and slavers and methodically killed all the villains in Paradise Falls. I do find it odd that the slave collars didn't cause a huge uproar. Can you be a hero if you're a slaver?

actually you can be a hero for being a slaver also in fallout 3 in a DLC the Pitts the slaves were being forced to rebuild the city and establish a civilized world again
and in regards to the actual world the chances of people in 1st world countries becoming slaves is well i might go out on a limp and say it wont happen and the chances of someone slaughtering large groups of people is pretty unlikely
but rape is still up there so many people, Women and Man get raped I have more friends who were raped then mugged
and out of my friends who have had a tragedy of being attacked and/or raped the ones who were raped were the ones who wanted to kill themselves some did (R.I.P)
Rape is one of the most horrible things that could happen to some one

just so its clear i love free speach I Love video games but rape should be banned from video games cause those fucking sickos shouldn't be allowed the light from the sun
and yes i know that banning a game for something allows all games to fall under that rule
then maybe video games should be banned all together cause if that makes a single sliver of the world a better place wouldnt that be worth it

ok sorry for going on a rant i just really really really HATE rape
i could wright many books about my hate for it
so ill leave with one finall thing to say
" I LOVE BIG BROTHER"

I hate big brother.

I find veal to be disgusting and akin to child torture yet I don't go on a crusade to get the word veal removed from menus. I find many things offensive to the point that I get severely bugged by them being mentioned. I will not say those things should ever be censored though. Censorship is just that bad. Sacrificing liberty is never worth the safety or benefit you get.
As far as slavery - dude do the research a simple google search of human trafficking statistics shows that even people from first world countries get enslaved. Granted there are higher numbers of third world slaves but that doesn't lessen the fact that slavery exists in huge numbers in many nations. As we speak there are first world slaves suffering horrible indignities. I still maintain slavery is worse than rape, especially since so much of the slave trade is in forced prostitution. As offensive as I find it I'd be in line to defend the right of any media to depict slavery. I find rape very offensive yet I am inclined to defend the rights of any media to depict it as well.

Also it shouldn't be banned because that reduces the chances of there ever being A Clockwork Orange game.

MaxTheReaper:

I guess the only defense I can think for this kind of thing is a slippery slope argument: If we allow rape to be banned, we're setting a precedent.
Eventually it would work its way to violence, then "objectional" content, etc.

I think violence in video games will only be banned if it is more than mere shooting and beating.

How much gore is really in a video game these days? Not much, if you really think about it.
People are exposed to the violence of shootings and beatings every day, we are even taught about them in school. Veterans also tell kids how horrifying real wars and murders are, and games don't ever get that graphic.
How many classes teach about rape and sex crimes? How often are people exposed to it, and should they be exposed to a situation where they play a person who does those things?
People would have a problem with a video game that glorifies torture (in a very graphic sense, SAW kind of graphic and so forth) where the player carries out those acts.

Shapsters:
Neither Rape nor Murder can be 'Justified', although I suppose a hero will need to kill, but thats not Murder. Anyways, at what point in a game does this hero need to walk up to a woman, grab her, drag her to his apartment and sexually assault her? Its wrong and unnecessary.

How is killing human beings not murder?
I was fairly sure that was the definition.

I would also argue that it can be justified.

ThatJagoGuy:

MaxTheReaper:

Rape can never serve a good purpose.

What about if aliens invaded and started killing everyone and the only way to dispatch them was to rape them? Not to be overly pedantic, but I think it would be justified in that situation.

As for the game - from what I've read, I can't approve. On the plus side, however, it's nice to see developers thinking outside of the box... or... um... inside. Sorry.

Give me a reason that justifies the continued existence of the human race.
Is it really worth it?

crypt-creature:

How many classes teach about rape and sex crimes? How often are people exposed to it, and should they be exposed to a situation where they play a person who does those things?

Actually, according to personal experience, people seem to be exposed to it a lot. I have a bunch of friends who have been raped. Family too.

It's a bit disconcerting.

MaxTheReaper:

crypt-creature:

How many classes teach about rape and sex crimes? How often are people exposed to it, and should they be exposed to a situation where they play a person who does those things?

Actually, according to personal experience, people seem to be exposed to it a lot. I have a bunch of friends who have been raped. Family too.

It's a bit disconcerting.

Eesh, that's rough.

Personally, my fiancee was abused, but I've known no one who's been raped.
I suppose by 'exposure' I meant taught in school or confronted with the subject by parents or victim of such an act. If a ban on such games were more an unspoken rule, I might respect humanity a little more.
A flat out ban may be infracting on a 'freedom' of some sort, but even a free society has rules and things they deem legal or illegal. A ban is just more direct.

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