I Hit It With My Axe: Episode Two: F*ck. A Medusa.

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I think this could be better off as a podcast...

Rokar333:

Nobody is forcing any of you to watch this. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Quit your bitching and leave the show to those who can enjoy it.

The whole point is a lot of us are trying but think/knows it sucks two minutes in (less, for some, but I give new content a *bit* more time). We're not being forced to watch it, we're simply TRYING to watch it.

Mobung:
I don't know about this series. I watched the first episode and was like "ugh." I watched the second episode and was like "ugh." Then I read the relevant posts at Zak's blog, and now I want to see episode 5. I probably won't watch any episodes between now and then (the actors aren't particularly entertaining), but all this early hate makes me wonder how the series will develop.

That blog fails to mention -what- exactly gets improved.

Yeah, I think only people who play tabletop RPGs will like this show. I kind of like it. It's not particularly entertaining, but it's reminiscent of my gaming days.

Except there were no chicks in our group.

mechanixis:
I really want to like this, guys, but it's shaping up to be "stupid, unattractive, and fairly self-important women squabble for five minutes, the show."

Unattractive?! The whole point of the series is that they women are aesthetically appealing. I don't think there is any evidence in this video to suggest they are either stupid or self-important. I don't know if they were really squabbling though, I got bored half way through and started gazing out of my window.

The fact is it is a bunch of people playing Dungeons and Dragons. If they were playing an FPS or sports game and were really good at it then it might be worth watching. But then I guess it is a lot harder to find five porn stars who are brilliant at video games, let aloe one particular video game. Plus if it is an engaging game then it is difficult to get a decent conversation going because everyone just wants to watch the game.

I want this concept to work. I really do. I just don't see how it can be made to do so.

I'm not sure what they're going for here. It's not exactly a booming endorsement of D&D. It's a bunch of porn stars and a hairdresser: Just what every parent dreams their kids will be when they grow up.

These episodes don't exactly scream "porn stars are emotionally and mentally mature enough to do anything else," either. I guess you could say the same thing about the majority of celebrities, though.

It was less boring than the first episode, but that's not saying much.

I like it; once again it reminds me of my DnD group

Side note: what's with all the negativity here? it's only been two episodes. Give it time.

This isn't URealms, but it was a lot better than last episode. Besides, what's better than a deluge of ditzes playing dungeons and dragons?

AvauntVanguard:

Rokar333:

Nobody is forcing any of you to watch this. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Quit your bitching and leave the show to those who can enjoy it.

The whole point is a lot of us are trying but think/knows it sucks two minutes in (less, for some, but I give new content a *bit* more time). We're not being forced to watch it, we're simply TRYING to watch it.

sure TRYING to find something new to be bitchy about. "Hey yay finally a new episode whe can comment to like: meh that suxxors booring, me is hating."
I never wasted my time like that on the apocalypse lane forums, i just never watched and cared again.

wow, some of them look horrible. I cant watch it.

I really enjoyed this. At first I thought it's cause of all the porn stars, but more and more i wanna play DnD

I think this is my new 'guilty pleasure' on the Escapist.

Maybe it's just because I'm a big tabletop nerd, but I'm enjoying it!

Definitely making me want to play more D&D...

*Bad accent*

... I put my claws around his mouth, to shut him up.

You don't have claws, your a person.

Sorry, but those accents are bad... I would love to hear his impression of Golum from the lord of the rings.

Gah, the Greek Mythology geek in me is tearing his hair out. There is no such creature as "a Medusa." "Medusa" is the name of a particular Gorgon. /nerdrant

OT: Good stuff lol.

I think the problem is that the players are actually doing too well, and at the same time, not good enough. I think that what people interpret to be amusing is when the subjects are too far out of their element and struggling to adapt, or if they're so good that they start to exist in their own world and show us a side of the culture that we didn't expect. This achieves neither, and merely hopes that the fact that they're adult film stars, etc, is enough to keep people entertained. Again, unfortunately, that's not the case here.

I'll give the series one more try before writing it off.

Proteus214:
Gah, the Greek Mythology geek in me is tearing his hair out. There is no such creature as "a Medusa." "Medusa" is the name of a particular Gorgon. /nerdrant

OT: Good stuff lol.

I feel your pain. I've kinda forced myself to care less about it, but it does still bug me a little. On the other hand, games do tend to treat minotaurs like a species when, in fact, it was only one of a kind, too.

Trivia fact: it is also not correct to depict any non-Medusa gorgon as a snake woman that turns people to stone. Gorgons are actually very beautiful nymphs, and Medusa was cursed into her famous form.

While I'm not sure still if this is something I would enjoy watching weekly, I would like to provide a few things I think would make the show better and possibly entice me to watch more:

1> Lengthen the episodes. While some people previously are saying 20 - 30 mins, I would say 10 - 15 would be a good length.

2> Improve the quality of the video / lighting. I am not sure if it is the camera or the lighting in the room, but everything seems dark. Better lighting may improve this. Now I understand everyone may not want to be under stage lights while playing D&D, maybe moving to a better naturally lit area could help, or a table with an overhead light.

3> The off-game commentary clips I think should either bookend the episode or have some relevance to the next minute or two of footage. The general talk is fine, but I think it could be edited in better to keep the flow of the episode.

I think this has a lot of potential. I know people who listen to D&D podcasts and love to hear the funny little quotes that get said or hear how a group comes up with some weird way of getting into or out of a situation. Welcome to The Escapist and I hope you find a good home here.

I'm trying to get the story here but the clips keep juming around. It looks like the actual editing is just pressing the record and stop button on the camera and leaving it like that with half of an interesting story and cut-off dialogue.

I think this would be much better as actual reality where we heard all of the dialogue, both the boring and cool stuff. Too much information to cram into 5 mins..

I'll stick with this though. Filming an actual DnD session is too much of a win.
Why do all of you have so weird names?

Wow I actually enjoyed it, I don't know why though.

silversun101:

Mr.Wiggles:

silversun101:

Mr.Wiggles:
Improvement!HAH!!!!!! Good One!

Ya see the problem here is the concept is terrible!The writing is also terrible!The show is TERRIBLE!!!!

There is a reason most porn-stars don't have successful acting careers!!!!

Also... you try understanding when they like kinda like y'know and your all like "Hey man..like what are you like...doing?"and there all like "Dude!!! WTF Are you saying ? like

You are aware that they are not acting, right? That this is real? There is no writing or scripts or multiple takes. Its just them sitting down, playing DnD, and recording it. I understand what they are trying to accomplish with this. I see it. Its there. They haven't reached it yet, and possibly never will, but I do see it.

Thats probably a flaw in itself! Any DECENT TV show is scripted and acted! Even shows such as Mock the Week ,which boasts its comedians improvisational abilities, are scripted.

It... what? What are you talking about?

This is like a documentary. Or "reality show", though I use that word reluctantly and with utter disgust. They are sitting down to play a game, and they want to film it to share their experiences with the larger public. The "hook" is that the majority of the players are also in the adult entertainment industry in some form or other, but they aren't playing a role. Its just a group of friends enjoying an afternoon game.

You can't honestly tell me you think this is supposed to be scripted or in any way planned out ahead of time?

Just to let you know, ep 1 did nothing for me, just thought I'd nose at the comments at ep 2 to see if there was a change but there isn't. I wont b*tch about the show, I said what I had to say about it last week, just explaining why I'm here looking

I'd like to comment on your reality TV/documentary comment.
A documentary would normally explain the ins n outs of this world to the viewer with a voice over.
A "reality TV" show would be edited to tell a story. Reality TV show does get heavily edited to tell what ever story the producers think will interest the viewer.
So I don't think it falls into either of those categories.
Maybe action futage/game play footage would be a better title

Mr Ink 5000:
Just to let you know, ep 1 did nothing for me, just thought I'd nose at the comments at ep 2 to see if there was a change but there isn't. I wont b*tch about the show, I said what I had to say about it last week, just explaining why I'm here looking

I'd like to comment on your reality TV/documentary comment.
A documentary would normally explain the ins n outs of this world to the viewer with a voice over.
A "reality TV" show would be edited to tell a story. Reality TV show does get heavily edited to tell what ever story the producers think will interest the viewer.
So I don't think it falls into either of those categories.
Maybe action futage/game play footage would be a better title

Well I never said it was particularly good, just that this is more or less what it is. Or at least intended to be. This is a far cry from a well made production though I still find it interesting nonetheless. The amateur editing job keeps it from being called a proper documentation, and the lack of a cohesive story outside of "these are hot girls playing DnD" makes it not quite a reality show. So... honestly it leans more towards a glorified DnD advertisement. Action/gameplay footage show is a decent compromise.

silversun101:

Mr Ink 5000:
Just to let you know, ep 1 did nothing for me, just thought I'd nose at the comments at ep 2 to see if there was a change but there isn't. I wont b*tch about the show, I said what I had to say about it last week, just explaining why I'm here looking

I'd like to comment on your reality TV/documentary comment.
A documentary would normally explain the ins n outs of this world to the viewer with a voice over.
A "reality TV" show would be edited to tell a story. Reality TV show does get heavily edited to tell what ever story the producers think will interest the viewer.
So I don't think it falls into either of those categories.
Maybe action futage/game play footage would be a better title

Well I never said it was particularly good, just that this is more or less what it is. Or at least intended to be. This is a far cry from a well made production though I still find it interesting nonetheless. The amateur editing job keeps it from being called a proper documentation, and the lack of a cohesive story outside of "these are hot girls playing DnD" makes it not quite a reality show. So... honestly it leans more towards a glorified DnD advertisement. Action/gameplay footage show is a decent compromise.

Maybe if i was a D&D player I'd get alot more out of it.
To each there own, atleast some people like it. although the whole pornstar thing doesn't sit right with me, I think it cheapens it all a little, like all us geeks n gamers need is a pornstar to get our interest. I'm sure it's not meant that way though.

I like your avatar btw. who/what is it?

Mr Ink 5000:

silversun101:

Mr Ink 5000:
Just to let you know, ep 1 did nothing for me, just thought I'd nose at the comments at ep 2 to see if there was a change but there isn't. I wont b*tch about the show, I said what I had to say about it last week, just explaining why I'm here looking

I'd like to comment on your reality TV/documentary comment.
A documentary would normally explain the ins n outs of this world to the viewer with a voice over.
A "reality TV" show would be edited to tell a story. Reality TV show does get heavily edited to tell what ever story the producers think will interest the viewer.
So I don't think it falls into either of those categories.
Maybe action futage/game play footage would be a better title

Well I never said it was particularly good, just that this is more or less what it is. Or at least intended to be. This is a far cry from a well made production though I still find it interesting nonetheless. The amateur editing job keeps it from being called a proper documentation, and the lack of a cohesive story outside of "these are hot girls playing DnD" makes it not quite a reality show. So... honestly it leans more towards a glorified DnD advertisement. Action/gameplay footage show is a decent compromise.

Maybe if i was a D&D player I'd get alot more out of it.
To each there own, atleast some people like it. although the whole pornstar thing doesn't sit right with me, I think it cheapens it all a little, like all us geeks n gamers need is a pornstar to get our interest. I'm sure it's not meant that way though.

I like your avatar btw. who/what is it?

Yeah, I think the pornstar angle is pretty low-brow. Maybe a bit insulting? I'm not sure if their intention is to show what a wide and varied audience DnD actually has or just trying to get lonely nerds to watch by dangling boobies in from of their faces. As I stated earlier half of my gaming group is female so his angle doesn't have any big WOW factor for me.

Also, that's Nightcrawler.

EchetusXe:

mechanixis:
I really want to like this, guys, but it's shaping up to be "stupid, unattractive, and fairly self-important women squabble for five minutes, the show."

Unattractive?! The whole point of the series is that they women are aesthetically appealing. I don't think there is any evidence in this video to suggest they are either stupid or self-important. I don't know if they were really squabbling though, I got bored half way through and started gazing out of my window.

The fact is it is a bunch of people playing Dungeons and Dragons. If they were playing an FPS or sports game and were really good at it then it might be worth watching. But then I guess it is a lot harder to find five porn stars who are brilliant at video games, let aloe one particular video game. Plus if it is an engaging game then it is difficult to get a decent conversation going because everyone just wants to watch the game.

I want this concept to work. I really do. I just don't see how it can be made to do so.

Hey, if the partially-shaved heads, black nails and tattoos do it for you, then power to you I suppose. This just isn't as entertaining as, say, those podcasts of the Penny Arcade guys playing D&D. Because half of these girls sound like they don't want to be there, and there's so many of them trying to talk at once it's just a faltering verbal clusterfuck.

silversun101:

Mr Ink 5000:

silversun101:

Mr Ink 5000:
Just to let you know, ep 1 did nothing for me, just thought I'd nose at the comments at ep 2 to see if there was a change but there isn't. I wont b*tch about the show, I said what I had to say about it last week, just explaining why I'm here looking

I'd like to comment on your reality TV/documentary comment.
A documentary would normally explain the ins n outs of this world to the viewer with a voice over.
A "reality TV" show would be edited to tell a story. Reality TV show does get heavily edited to tell what ever story the producers think will interest the viewer.
So I don't think it falls into either of those categories.
Maybe action futage/game play footage would be a better title

Well I never said it was particularly good, just that this is more or less what it is. Or at least intended to be. This is a far cry from a well made production though I still find it interesting nonetheless. The amateur editing job keeps it from being called a proper documentation, and the lack of a cohesive story outside of "these are hot girls playing DnD" makes it not quite a reality show. So... honestly it leans more towards a glorified DnD advertisement. Action/gameplay footage show is a decent compromise.

Maybe if i was a D&D player I'd get alot more out of it.
To each there own, atleast some people like it. although the whole pornstar thing doesn't sit right with me, I think it cheapens it all a little, like all us geeks n gamers need is a pornstar to get our interest. I'm sure it's not meant that way though.

I like your avatar btw. who/what is it?

Yeah, I think the pornstar angle is pretty low-brow. Maybe a bit insulting? I'm not sure if their intention is to show what a wide and varied audience DnD actually has or just trying to get lonely nerds to watch by dangling boobies in from of their faces. As I stated earlier half of my gaming group is female so his angle doesn't have any big WOW factor for me.

Also, that's Nightcrawler.

Female D&D fans? are there many about?

i thought it was. that artworks great, wheres it from?

silversun101:

Mr.Wiggles:

silversun101:

Mr.Wiggles:
Improvement!HAH!!!!!! Good One!

Ya see the problem here is the concept is terrible!The writing is also terrible!The show is TERRIBLE!!!!

There is a reason most porn-stars don't have successful acting careers!!!!

Also... you try understanding when they like kinda like y'know and your all like "Hey man..like what are you like...doing?"and there all like "Dude!!! WTF Are you saying ? like

You are aware that they are not acting, right? That this is real? There is no writing or scripts or multiple takes. Its just them sitting down, playing DnD, and recording it. I understand what they are trying to accomplish with this. I see it. Its there. They haven't reached it yet, and possibly never will, but I do see it.

Thats probably a flaw in itself! Any DECENT TV show is scripted and acted! Even shows such as Mock the Week ,which boasts its comedians improvisational abilities, are scripted.

It... what? What are you talking about?

This is like a documentary. Or "reality show", though I use that word reluctantly and with utter disgust. They are sitting down to play a game, and they want to film it to share their experiences with the larger public. The "hook" is that the majority of the players are also in the adult entertainment industry in some form or other, but they aren't playing a role. Its just a group of friends enjoying an afternoon game.

You can't honestly tell me you think this is supposed to be scripted or in any way planned out ahead of time?

Thats my point! It isn't scripted!

It is essentially faeces!

On a further note, no documentary is unscripted or improvised for that matter.

Editing is a choppy and the production values are bad but I'm liking it.

Porn Stars aren't thought as the greatest actresses but I loved the delivery of the "#$&@ a Medusa." They are playing a stupid game but you can tell she was totally into it.

Real RPG sessions are kinda boring to watch. If you played in them this is fun to watch. Target audience seem more of the RPG fans than fans of porn. We're use to seeing these kinda girls all dolled up. Even in most SFW interview type video stuff there is a fake feeling about it. In these two episodes they are the furthest thing from porn stars. They are just girls in the party. Nothing reminds me of their day job. Here they are a bunch of newbies. Like any other girl of that age playing these games.

PhiMed:
I'm not sure what they're going for here. It's not exactly a booming endorsement of D&D. It's a bunch of porn stars and a hairdresser: Just what every parent dreams their kids will be when they grow up.

These episodes don't exactly scream "porn stars are emotionally and mentally mature enough to do anything else," either. I guess you could say the same thing about the majority of celebrities, though.

It was less boring than the first episode, but that's not saying much.

I think that's what bugs me too, the lack of mental/emotional maturity all the players seem to have. Some of them just seem flatly disinterested, while the rest just approach the game with the seriousness and consideration with which one typically approaches Space Invaders. ("Let's charm them and then freeze them and then we'll cut their heads off" has been proposed like five times now as a diplomatic solution.)

oh man, this hits home when me and my friends get our books out.

now I want to run through a story or two, but I also have to go to work in a few hours.

Imper1um:

I do want to make a huge comment:

Saying that a show will pick up after X episodes is doomed to fail.

You don't see shows on NBC, CBS, FOX or whatever giving the excuse "Well, just wait until the fifth episode." It's a LAME excuse. The first episode should be the draw episode. It's the episode that makes people want to watch the show week after week. It gives the basic premise and gives the opportunity to get into the show, because if you make your show fail right out of the gate, people will bitch about it for 1-2 weeks, and it will get it's initial popularity, but people will not watch the show when it actually gets good.

An even bigger comment:

If you have to make an excuse about why your show isn't good, you're doing it wrong. Yahtzee has made this point many times; one part of a game should not sell another. It's the same with shows.

Damn straight, I also want to make a comment.

Just because a show has a high premier doesn't make it a hit or even something that is going bring in an audience. Last I heard, Comedy Central's most watched premier was, 'The Jeff Dunham Show' with over 5 million viewers. They lost over half that the next show and currently no plans are in place for a second season. Given that the people I know who would watch the Jeff Dunham show would certainly not stick around to watch South Park or the Daily Show. I don't think 'Axe' will increase The Escapist traffic much. However, that show does appear to be cheaper than dirt to make. You know the life blood of Reality TV. So effort compared to benefit may still be there. I for one don't expect a second season. I like many of the other commentators, feel there a was a better show for that slot.

Lastly, for anyone who says read the blog to enrich the video. I ain't doin' no homework to git somethin' out of that moving picture show.

This show is horrible. Role playing is only fun if you're doing it and even then it helps to be really really stoned.

I think we're all supposed to be impressed cause it's a bunch of porn stars. Sorry, I'm not 15. Porn starts are interesting when they are doing porn... that's about it.

Why the fuck does everyone look so dirty? not as in "ooo she's a dirty girl" I mean actual dirt.

mechanixis:
("Let's charm them and then freeze them and then we'll cut their heads off" has been proposed like five times now as a diplomatic solution.)

That's the thing though, that particular example just shows that the show needs to be edited better. That was actually only said once, in one particular situation, but it popped up once or twice in episode 1 and in this episode once in its proper context. That I think is something that even the people who do like this show can agree with you on: It needs better editing.

Okay, the editing/camera/lighting were better.

It's still just people sitting around playing D&D; "real world" style. Again, the scenario seems forced. Yes, they aren't "acting", but that doesn't mean that they aren't there just for the sake of the show.

You can "act" for the sake of the show, but if you're going to do "reality", it should be "real".

"*Pornstars* playing D&D" isn't any different than "*Accountants* playing D&D" except what they do when not playing D&D. If the "people playing D&D" aren't interesting playing D&D, they aren't more interesting just because they have sex on film for a living.

They're actually fairly annoying/irritating to me.

I'm not calling for it to be removed or anything. Some people like it, good on them. I'm just not going to watch it.

De Ronneman:

Megido:

De Ronneman:
You edited the second I clicked "quote", so you get sent off with only a minor rant:

NO: I do not think all people who play D&D are nerds.
YES: I realise you don't play it alone.
YES: I am a gamer, and I do consider myself to be quite the nerd to be honest.
YES: I am a dipshit at times, but only on weekdays. On weekends I'm a loveable guy.
YES: I stereotyped, but only because it's easier to make a point with stereotypes. Please tell me I'm not the only one who feels somewhat insulted by the idea that we(the nerds, gamers and other social challenged people) should watch a series about adult actrices(and actors, but noone cares for them) who do nerdy(apologies) things, just because of their profession.

I genuinly feel insulted. Not by you(Megido), but more by the guy(it HAS to have been a guy) who decided to pick this show for the Escapist...

You make a good point. Maybe one of the reasons I dislike the show so much is that I feel the same way as you; insulted that it is supposed to (and apparently is much to my dismay) appeal to the "nerd" crowd.

I really wish stereotypes weren't true, but the fact that this boring show is supposedly very popular is kinda throwing that right in our faces. It has no merits beyond that it contains attractive women, yet, according to Archon, it has had the biggest opening of any show on the Escapist. I can only hope that's due to the shit storm it's causing, and not because lots of people actually like it.

We all know why there are stereotypes: they're usually founded on either TV or Newspapers. They usually have a core of truth, but as with all general statements, there are too many different people. 1 stereotype for 1 group isn't sufficient. Stereotypes are there because they're popular and immediatly recognisable. That's mainly TV's(and film's) fault.

The fact it's such a big opener is also easily explained with one question, the one burning in all our minds when we heared it was coming up:
"Are there boobs?"

Now the buzz is gone, the dustclouds waivered by the wind, we take a good long look over the battlefield, realising the giant army we just crushed was an anthill. We looked at it from a distance with binoculars. Little did we know, what we saw was unreal, a lie.
Now we've seen the bigger picture, gained insight on the series, and come to realise it is not a golden army of crotchless panties, but a puddle of piss without tits.

And about the whole "let's employ pornstars" thingy, are we suposed to know them? I, for one, am not a regular viewer of porn, which is to be said, only for laughs, but does ANYONE know them by name or something?

That's a pretty in depth analogy. I'm not really sure how to follow that up other than to say I hope you're correct. Here's what I'll do as far as the series goes: Apparently it's going to last at least five episodes, and somebody said that it picks up around episode five. I think I'll wait until episode 5 rolls around, and give the show it's last chance. If it isn't significantly better (ie. good,) then that's three strikes. Sound reasonable to you?

Stone Cold Monkey:

Imper1um:

I do want to make a huge comment:

Saying that a show will pick up after X episodes is doomed to fail.

You don't see shows on NBC, CBS, FOX or whatever giving the excuse "Well, just wait until the fifth episode." It's a LAME excuse. The first episode should be the draw episode. It's the episode that makes people want to watch the show week after week. It gives the basic premise and gives the opportunity to get into the show, because if you make your show fail right out of the gate, people will bitch about it for 1-2 weeks, and it will get it's initial popularity, but people will not watch the show when it actually gets good.

An even bigger comment:

If you have to make an excuse about why your show isn't good, you're doing it wrong. Yahtzee has made this point many times; one part of a game should not sell another. It's the same with shows.

Damn straight, I also want to make a comment.

Just because a show has a high premier doesn't make it a hit or even something that is going bring in an audience. Last I heard, Comedy Central's most watched premier was, 'The Jeff Dunham Show' with over 5 million viewers. They lost over half that the next show and currently no plans are in place for a second season. Given that the people I know who would watch the Jeff Dunham show would certainly not stick around to watch South Park or the Daily Show. I don't think 'Axe' will increase The Escapist traffic much. However, that show does appear to be cheaper than dirt to make. You know the life blood of Reality TV. So effort compared to benefit may still be there. I for one don't expect a second season. I like many of the other commentators, feel there a was a better show for that slot.

Lastly, for anyone who says read the blog to enrich the video. I ain't doin' no homework to git somethin' out of that moving picture show.

I like the way both of you think. A lot.

Nuke_em_05:
"*Pornstars* playing D&D" isn't any different than "*Accountants* playing D&D"

Just wanted to take a moment and respond to this. Yes there is a difference. The difference is in the subversion of stereotypes, and common thoughts on certain types of people. Just wanted to point that out, because that is what I (in particular) find at least somewhat interesting with this show.

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