It's Time To Forgive George Lucas

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Echolocating:
The only thing I can't stand are people who claim that the prequels weren't a disaster.

So...basically what you're saying is that anyone who actually enjoyed them are idiots?

Welp, to quote Yahtzee, "Call me retard McSpackypants" because I thought they were a lot of fun. I could care less if they fit into the "canon" of the Star Wars universe, I just took them for what they were.

Plus, anyone who disliked the Podracer scene needs to be bitchslapped imo.

I just ignore anything happened after Jedi or Last Crusade. Hate is such a wasteful emotion, I'd rather watch films I enjoy.

I think this article should've been called "It's Time To Forget George Lucas." The author points out (rightly) that the term "forgive" kind of implies that Lucas failed to deliver on some sort of deal, which is of course bullshit. The overall message of the article isn't about forgiveness; it's about moving on. I couldn't agree more.

Plus, anyone who disliked the Podracer scene needs to be bitchslapped imo.

Bring it.

What is wrong with the prequels? I enjoyed them well enough, and didn't have too much of a babyish attitude to whine about them.

I love the prequels.
I love the originals.
I have seen the originals more times, but only because the prequels did not exist when I was a child.
I never hated the man... or Jar-Jar.

In fact, the only issue I have with the entire six films is when Jar-Jar is on Tatooine and he steps on the poo.
Why did he have to step on poo?
Other than that, fantastic.

I'm reminded of something Yahtzee once said. If there's one thing history has taught us, besides not to piss off people called 'Ganges' or put lead in your water pipes, it's that if you're going to create something incredibly good that becomes frighteningly popular, make sure it's the last thing you create in your entire life. Otherwise you get to spend the rest of your creative career struggling under the weight of high expectations and bricks."
Which is interesting because Yahtzee would be first in line to crucify George Lucus. I sometimes wonder if I should tactfully remind him of his own words, but then I remember that he probably wont listen anyway.
Personally I get sick and tired of hearing people bitch about Lucus and the prequel trilogy, this is first I've heard anyone say anything about the Special Editions.
Although every time I hear someone mention that 'who shot first' I go 'wtf?' I don't recall Greedo shooting PERIOD, in ANY edition.
Regardless this whole fiasco is largely why I won't ever share anything I create with anyone. I don't need a fan following of dipshits who'll presume to tell me how my creation that I created should unfold.

Yeah the problem is that after 20 years of not making movies we pretty much defied George Lucas. When he came out and we got proof that he was human, prone to making mistakes, we reacted poorly. *shrugs*

I've never understood how the prequels are considered "Awful". No they're not the originals, which are fantastic, but they are mediocre.

Whats to forgive. He's a film maker who in his prime made gold...and now he's old. You see his name...be wary that he's like any 40+ year old. Chalk full of old idea's that today's media won't see any merit of, becuase its old balls stupid....like my father and his friends dumbass idea's.

Cept Speilburg...he has yet to get old.

Well said. How odd to have the strongest Intermission and the weakest ETTM in the same week. ;-)

No. It's not.

Always preferred Star Trek and Babylon 5, far more entertaining and thought provoking. Besides I'm not forgiving Lucas for the monsterosity that is THX-1138 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066434/ where nothing fun or profound happens.

I'm going to come right out and say that I've never hated the prequels as a whole. There are parts that annoy me, yes. Do I think some things could have been better? Hell yes. But I can pick through the original trilogy just the same, and find parts of it that I dislike. And that's always been my main rub with the haters: Nostalgia blinded all of them too much.

Which movie has:

An annoying, whining supporting character with a funny accent?
An annoying child protagonist?
A wise older man willing to teach the ways of the force to said annoying child?
A wise older man who dies!
Giant masses of faceless drones who die if you sneeze at them?
etc etc and so on.

That, in a nutshell, is what is in The Phantom Menace. However! It is also what is in A New Hope. Anyone who didn't find C3-PO's whining annoying is lying to you. Anyone who didn't find LUKE's whining annoying is lying to you. People have this huge bubble of nostalgia over the original trilogy, thinking it did no wrong, but then turn right around and complain about things in the prequels that were ALSO in the original trilogy. I have absolutely hated that mentality since The Phantom Menace came out.

Nah I won't forgive him. Least with the first three movies he wasn't blatant in his money grubbing. And the first three were proof if the man could have mad 4,5, and six the way he wanted to he'd of screwed them up so bad it wouldn't be funny.

Burn Lucas.

Until I see a Ep1 with Jar Jar edited out of it.

HG131:
It doesn't matter who shot first, and the prequels were fine. Yet again, Movie Bob drives me up a wall.

No reason for him saying the prequels stink to bother you. Quite simply, when he says "Guys, we need to forgive Lucas" He isn't talking to YOU. He is adressing people that DO hate the prequels, that DO care who shot first.

duchaked:
I don't think the prequels were bad, just different. Me? I love the Clone Wars era.

...and that's about as much as I really need to say haha

Exactly I love the star wars prequils but i absolutely hate indiana jones 4. sorry i hate it. ANYWHO the reason i commented you was because: have you seen/watch the clone wars tv show? Theyre almost as good as full length movies. In fact if they made them full length movies itd be pretty awesome

I will confess this: I actually saw the first two of the prequel trilogy before I watched the classics, and I didn't think they were all that bad. I saw the originals, and they were great films, and certainly better than the prequels in retrospect. But still, I have no reason to hate Lucas other than Indiana Jones and the Ridiculous Alien Plot, and the Holiday Special.

I've always thought the problem with the Prequels wasn't that they were worse, it's that movies got better. Sure, the Originals are still still fun and even have their moments of good one-liners, but for the most part not having grown up with them I was never terribly by the writing of the series.

But they absolutely needed to be there, when they came out.

I have no doubt in my mind that Star Wars pretty much saved the film genre I love by being both different and in a lot of ways better then most of the other things that were out then. But the key word there is then. As films coninued on the revolution Star Wars helped to create the series itself never learned to change with the times. The Prequels weren't too different from the Originals, they were too much like them.

And when you strip out all the historical relevency all we're left with is an enjoyable set of movies about wiz-bang-shooty-fun set in a fantasic universe, nothing more, nothing less. And if that's all I'm there for, I'd rather watch the ones with the better effects and art style.

Episode IV is the best though, closely followed by III. You can't tell me the extermination of the jedi didn't give you chills.

More importantly, whatever "wrongs" Lucas has committed lately simply don't stack up as tremendously noteworthy compared to the remarkable "rights" of his overall career.

Notice how your list of his achievements does not include any films he had made aside from Star Wars and Indiana Jones, two franchises that have long since outlived their usefulness and should be put to sleep. This is because he hasn't made any. He only has two film series to his credit and neither of them are original. Both movies are based on the cliffhanger serials of the 30's, 40's and 50's which Lucas grew up watching. These films are an extended love letter to his childhood. And he hasn't moved beyond this. (Interestingly, the person who really ruined Star Wars was Indiana Jones)

That all said, I don't feel any need to forgive George because for me it is just too much to see all that promise squandered, both in these two series and in the potential films he could have made.

Shit, I forgave him after Revenge of the Sith. Threw the whole Senate at him, indeed.

This man retconed about ten year of Mandalorian fiction to make The Clone Wars tv show canoon. There will be no forgiveness for him. I will for give the 2nd movie, but that's all he'll get.

Sure the Prequels were... unorthodox, but I liked Episode 1. Darth Maul FTW!

ma55ter_fett:
To be honest, I liked all the films more or less.

except epsiode 3, the writeing in episode 3 was too weak in my opinion.

episode 1 was really good in my opinion, and episode 2 gave us another Fett so no worries there.

Why do people care about Boba Fett? He's just some dumb guy in a helmet. Gets his ass killed by a half-blind guy and a big sand worm (I don't care if he climbed out in the comics, he's dead to me).

The prequels were all shit compared to the originals.
None of the "special editions" added anything of value to the originals. The only scene worth adding was where Luke talks to Biggs before the attack on the Death Star. Give their friendship some context. But it wasn't necessary persay.

I don't care about Lucas, he's probably a good guy, who knows. As long as I can buy the originals without the changed crap I don't care what other shit he shovels out. Lucas however needs to seriously learn a lesson from another great film maker, Alfred Hitchcock

"Films aren't finished, they're abandoned".

Let it go Lucas. Quit screwing around with stuff that's not broken.

Indian Jones IV was crap too. But not because of the aliens, just because the movie itself, was crap. Which is too bad because I was excited to see it. But I'll never watch it again. Or at least, never pay to watch it again, maybe if the crap's on TV I can waste a few hours.

Analogfantasies:

Which movie has:

An annoying, whining supporting character with a funny accent?
An annoying child protagonist?
A wise older man willing to teach the ways of the force to said annoying child?
A wise older man who dies!
Giant masses of faceless drones who die if you sneeze at them?
etc etc and so on.

That, in a nutshell, is what is in The Phantom Menace. However! It is also what is in A New Hope. Anyone who didn't find C3-PO's whining annoying is lying to you. Anyone who didn't find LUKE's whining annoying is lying to you. People have this huge bubble of nostalgia over the original trilogy, thinking it did no wrong, but then turn right around and complain about things in the prequels that were ALSO in the original trilogy. I have absolutely hated that mentality since The Phantom Menace came out.

Pft, whatever guy. You could compare A New Hope to Desperate House Wives if you make the comparisons broad enough. Who cares. Phantom Menace is a crap movie and doesn't hold a candle to New Hope. Just because it has similar plot points doesn't say ANYTHING about the pacing, music, writing, direction or overall quality of the movie itself.

Yeah. Alright, fair enough. I'll forgive him for as long as he doesn't make any more shitty Indiana Jones movies about aliens.

Macgyvercas:
Why do I have to forgive him? There's nothing to forgive. I actually liked the Star Wars Prequels and Indian Jones IV. *runs away before the flaming starts*

Yeah, I always thought all the hate on Indy 4 was completely stupid. Mainly because 90% of it was due to the whole 'aliens' business. I'm pretty sure we'd left reality behind when we had the Ark of the Covenant/crazy melty faces, the cup of christ that made Indy temporarily immortal and VOODOO DOLLS! But this all gets overlooked because they were the originals and therefore superior (I thought Indy 4 was better than the Temple of Doom).

As for Star Wars, episodes 3 and 6 are the best in my opinion and George Lucas isn't so bad really.

IMO, the original Star Wars trilogy was good, not incredible, but good. Episode I was alright, a bit kiddish. Episode II was horribly acted, but the storyline was incredible, both of those points are pushed to the extreme with Episode III.

Blade Chunk:
Burn Lucas.

Until I see a Ep1 with Jar Jar edited out of it.

Hey, Jar Jar was cool. :(

Also, go to www.asciimation.co.nz and enjoy the awesomest movie EVER...

Calatar:

The Force is nearly everywhere, but not everybody can control it. Why is this?
Options available are:
a. Anybody can be a Jedi, you just need to have the proper training
b. Not just anyone can be a Jedi, you need to have innate mental talent for it
c. Not just anyone can be a Jedi, you need to have a biological predisposition for it

And honestly, I'm fine with any of them, even the last one.

Science fiction loves to have pseudo-scientific explanations for things. Its best not to overthink them or you'll realize it doesn't make sense. Because of the "fiction" part.

Or d.Magic.

It's a mystical energy, with some vague will and destiny, that lets you levitate, control minds and shoot lightning. It's magic. I was fine with it being magic, magic needs no explanation. The original Star Wars was basically just a swords-and-sorcery romp in outerspace, it's never been science-fiction.

Just like many others have said before me, I never hated the prequels, actually liked them, Episode 1 being my favorite overall (podracers, naboo starfighters, darth maul, POD-FUCKING-RACERS! who gives a shit about jar jar) and Episode 2 being the least good of them all. Heck I even liked the story of Starkiller! nice touch linking the Republic era and the Empire era (in my opinion)

the only thing I actually disliked was the actor portraying Anakin in Ep. 2 and 3. I wouldn't call him terrible but he was meh ( again, imo of course.)

I never got into Indiana Jones so I have no way to judge "The crystal skull", though I did find it entertaining.

I don't have to forgive Lucas because I never hated him. Pure and simple. I loved what he made as movies and couldn't care less if he did it for the $$$. The fact being I enjoyed them and in the end, that's all that really matters to me.

Retcon jarjar away, and all will be forgiven.

George Lucas was interviewed by Jon Stewart a while back it was pretty they talked about Star Wars mostly and Lucas' book, Blockbuster. The interview is probably still up on the Daily shows website.

I believe I'm of the same generation as you, Bob (mid-30s? pretty much raised on Star Wars?), and I agree completely.

The whole "raped my childhood" thing needs to go away; it was never shocking or funny, even when South Park ran with it. That whole sentiment reeks of people who refuse to grow up in some way. That Lucas didn't grow up with his core audience (who I count myself as among) is a *little* disappointing, but that's it. I'll plug in the original trilogy when feeling nostalgic, and not even think of the prequels. Faux nerd-rage is obnoxious and mean-spirited, and real nerd-rage is a product of a mind that needs to see the outside of a basement. Find some other way to beat up your childhood bullies, or (!) put it in the past and do something you ENJOY.

I have to add that the people that whine about how "commercial" Star Wars is with all the toys and other merch need to chill out. Make a billion dollars off a bauble that celebrates something you created, and tell me you wouldn't do it again. (If for no other reason, if you don't, everyone else who profited the first time *will*, and you'd have no say in the matter.) And as a consumer, if you don't want to buy the junk, DON'T. No one's twisting your arm.

I have to laugh at the fanboys who are angry for the prequels. Jar-jar was not an unexpected failure or departure for Lucas for anyone paying attention. Jar-jar was no worse than when ewoks showed up in RofJ. I guess if you were 8 though when that came out you might not have noticed how much that sucked.

JeanLuc761:

Echolocating:
The only thing I can't stand are people who claim that the prequels weren't a disaster.

So...basically what you're saying is that anyone who actually enjoyed them are idiots?

Welp, to quote Yahtzee, "Call me retard McSpackypants" because I thought they were a lot of fun. I could care less if they fit into the "canon" of the Star Wars universe, I just took them for what they were.

Plus, anyone who disliked the Podracer scene needs to be bitchslapped imo.

Well don't go into extremes of someone enjoyed it are idiots cause that's a cheap way out of a good argument. I disliked a lot of things about Phantom, but they come to Lucas sneaking things in. Howw wude. Yeah George we get it your daughters liked Full House and the snotty kid who spouted that line 18 times a episode. The having to draw attention to Jar Jar with stepping in poo or making him the bumbling idiot flailing on a saddle by amazingly he's taking out enemy troops...yeah.

One a whole the movie left me, well without that star wars feeling, when I was little and saw the other three. As the adult I did get to see a lot of Katana style jedi ass kicking which I liked... and I think snipers should be added to all races, Nothing would make Nascar more fun than letting the rednecks on top of the Rv get five shots at which ever car they like.

But there are times you leave the brain in the car, and just see a movie and take it for what it is worth. But even then, a certain detatchment has rules and boundries. And I' not kidding when I say those movies pressed even my patience with Lucas. Honestly, the man can make a few good movie series and that's it...everything else just, well, falls short.

I still hated him, not the man (good father and what out), but as a director.

Maybe if the people around him had the balls to go to Lusac "hey, um Mr Lusac Sir, I now you created Star Wars and all, but Ja ja is the worst idea for a character in the history of the world, and will destroy anything good it comes in touch with"

Then things will be better, and all will be right in the world.

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