Zero Punctuation: Final Fantasy XIII

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tony2077:
i love ff13 and only playing 5 hours ha. Try reviewing it after you finish it

just so you know i'm biased toward jrpgs because i like games where devs give a damn about making a good story

and sorry i couldn't survive watching it so i quit about 2 or so minutes in

You sir, are deranged.

meh i got bored of final fantasy the same way i got bored of gta just another game in the series where you do the same things over and over but with new and exiting characters... oh whoops i meant just new

If the game can't grab you, or you don't find some redeeming qualities about it, in FIVE HOURS, that's not a good game.

tony2077:
i love ff13 and only playing 5 hours ha. Try reviewing it after you finish it

just so you know i'm biased toward jrpgs because i like games where devs give a damn about making a good story

and sorry i couldn't survive watching it so i quit about 2 or so minutes in

Why? If I step in shit, I don't need to do a chemical analysis to KNOW it's shit. There's a smell that tells me that pretty much right away.

Being biased towards JRPGs is probably a verifiable medical condition. I should check the DSM-IV. Admitting it is like admitting you have herpes. I'd keep that under your hat. Square pretty much wouldn't know a 'good story' these days if one sat on their face.

Edit: Also, news flash, being 'unable to survive watching it', not because it was unfunny but because it was bashing something you like, is the textbook proof of a total lack of perspective. You know, there are places you can go to get help...

olikunmissile:
WELL excuse me for having to be on retard patrol because of the sudden increase of report faries. It's also not my fault some people are a tad too dense to realise I am being sarcastic when I am. Don't have a go at me for it, have a go at them making me do it.

It's hard to please everyone!

Somehow I think the FF13 porn existed way before the game was even released.

I was a fan of the FF series; actually FF6 was one of my favorites too. The problem with FF13 is that it focuses on being pretty rather than substantial. The fact that the game gets good after the 20th hour means that there was no decent amount of effort into combining the story with the game itself. This is nothing but irresponsibility from SE part, if FF13 gets good after the 15th hour or so you shouldn't let it hit shelves until you fixed that, it's just common sense. The story IS there, it IS captivating but it is somewhat absent in the beginning of the game making it unbearable for Non-JRPG fans to stomach it through until you get there. I, for one, think that Yahtzee really gave this game a fighting chance by playing it for 5 hours. If you play for 5 hours and still are around 10-15 hours away from getting to the good stuff then there is something terribly wrong with the game.

The reply to this is simple. The video was just one of those deranged biased videos that are utterly amazing to watch and shows the general plot of the game, but shows it in the most critical and un-balanced way. This is definitely good for entertainment purposes and perhaps highlighting how FF games are largely recycled, however it does not even hint at the beauty of this game or the amazing effort that developers go to so people have the reassurance of a great RPG game every year (give or take).

One of the of reviews you did which actually made my left eye start to stream with tears from laughter. I havn't played this game nor know much about it but I found it very very funny. I think that's a good sign that this is a very good (on a comical side) review.

Keep up the good work =)
(I also found last week's review very funny about Mercinaries 2, but because I could relate it very well with COD:MW2. Was playing on a map today called "Rust" and one thing you could clearly say was "Dust". Funny that it rhymes. I found an amazing spot to camp from. I had to squint and move my face close to the screen to work out siluettes of players against siluettes of metal player shaped.)

You should have played it for 20 hours then! So you could be ... ya know ... surprised?

I'm trying to enjoy it, but I'm finding the notion of having to grind for countless hours SOMEWHERE in the future a bit daunting. I can't think of any reason for there to be a need for grinding levels in a game these days, other than for ONE element of FF game tradition sticking around.

USFPutty:

tony2077:
i love ff13 and only playing 5 hours ha. Try reviewing it after you finish it

just so you know i'm biased toward jrpgs because i like games where devs give a damn about making a good story

and sorry i couldn't survive watching it so i quit about 2 or so minutes in

Why? If I step in shit, I don't need to do a chemical analysis to KNOW it's shit. There's a smell that tells me that pretty much right away.

Being biased towards JRPGs is probably a verifiable medical condition. I should check the DSM-IV. Admitting it is like admitting you have herpes. I'd keep that under your hat. Square pretty much wouldn't know a 'good story' these days if one sat on their face.

Edit: Also, news flash, being 'unable to survive watching it', not because it was unfunny but because it was bashing something you like, is the textbook proof of a total lack of perspective. You know, there are places you can go to get help...

I couldn't survive it because i didn't see any humor just him bashing the game because he could

and is no way being biased toward JRPGs related to herpes but i don't expect you to be able to tell the difference and you seem to be the one that needs help

RPG's aren't short. Playing 5 hours in a decent RPG is not the same as playing 5 Hours of Bayonetta.

Yahtze played Heavy Rain and Mass Effect 2, why couldn't you delay your review to give the game a proper chance? Sure, you probably won't like it yet, but at this point you really shouldn't bother even trying... My point is: If you want to do a game review about a game you don't like, at least amke yourself avaliable to the experience of the game.

If not you're just "Angry Video Game Nerd" that talks fast. And ZP is a much better show than that.

I mean, c'mon man... FF13 is a game that takes about 30-40 hours to clear if you rush to the ending. So let's talk Mass Effect 2, Fable 2 and Oblivion these can be finnished i what? 15-30 hours? I think i'm even being generous here.

So, play 3 hours of Fable 2, Play 3 Hours of Mass Effect 2, Play 3 Hours of Oblivion. These are all Westerns Action Rpg's. You'll probably like them more because they are more likely the flavors you like. That's fair. But you know full damn well that your opinion of the game wouldn't be fair. Nor your criticism.

FF13 is Linear untill quite a bit later on, The Story is Jdrama but the characters do evolve quite nicely. The battle system tries to be fast and entertaining but also challenging (as the difficulty raises you have to get strategic about it). It slow in the start. Yes, and that's a flaw that was pointed around EVERYWHERE. But if you are trying to make a review of it, you should at the very least try to accept the game.

I know you were busy, but you really want people to believe you came to this game without knowing all the criticism about? C'mon... this entire video was like you reading troll comments from people who didn't even play the damn thing.

What i'm saying is that if you're not willing to give any game it's honest chance, please don't review it. You can totally hate FF13 and JRPG's and criticize it all you want, it's fine. It's Fair. It's your job. But doing so with such a poorly made setup is a disservice to Zero Punctuation and it's fanbase.

bells:
RPG's aren't short. Playing 5 hours in a decent RPG is not the same as playing 5 Hours of Bayonetta.

Yahtze played Heavy Rain and Mass Effect 2, why couldn't you delay your review to give the game a proper chance? Sure, you probably won't like it yet, but at this point you really shouldn't bother even trying... My point is: If you want to do a game review about a game you don't like, at least amke yourself avaliable to the experience of the game.

If not you're just "Angry Video Game Nerd" that talks fast. And ZP is a much better show than that.

I mean, c'mon man... FF13 is a game that takes about 30-40 hours to clear if you rush to the ending. So let's talk Mass Effect 2, Fable 2 and Oblivion these can be finnished i what? 15-30 hours? I think i'm even being generous here.

So, play 3 hours of Fable 2, Play 3 Hours of Mass Effect 2, Play 3 Hours of Oblivion. These are all Westerns Action Rpg's. You'll probably like them more because they are more likely the flavors you like. That's fair. But you know full damn well that your opinion of the game wouldn't be fair. Nor your criticism.

FF13 is Linear untill quite a bit later on, The Story is Jdrama but the characters do evolve quite nicely. The battle system tries to be fast and entertaining but also challenging (as the difficulty raises you have to get strategic about it). It slow in the start. Yes, and that's a flaw that was pointed around EVERYWHERE. But if you are trying to make a review of it, you should at the very least try to accept the game.

I know you were busy, but you really want people to believe you came to this game without knowing all the criticism about? C'mon... this entire video was like you reading troll comments from people who didn't even play the damn thing.

What i'm saying is that if you're not willing to give any game it's honest chance, please don't review it. You can totally hate FF13 and JRPG's and criticize it all you want, it's fine. It's Fair. It's your job. But doing so with such a poorly made setup is a disservice to Zero Punctuation and it's fanbase.

Look at this review-
http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/04/03/vlog-4-3-10/
This guy played 15 HOURS OF THIS, and guess what? It's still shit.
I'm sorry, but saying "it gets better after 15 hours" just doesn't work here.

Well, I could give a long explanation about why 5 hours is enough to decide whether it's any good or not, and how taking a film for example, within 10 minutes of Goodfellas, I knew it was going to be enjoyable. Within 10 minutes of Uli Lommel's The Zodiac Killer (not to be confused with David Fincher's Zodiac), I knew it'd be shite.

However, any longer an explanation would be unnecessary, especially considering a few hundred people have already said it.

I response to people who are getting upset by him judging the game after 5 hours.

Usually, if you're not enjoying the game, little point continuing playing is it?
"It gets better after 15 hours". Oh, I look forwards to 15 hrs of filler till then shall I?

Really hard to want to play a game where you know for a start the first 15 hrs will be boring.

It's like being served an Ice Cream sundae. One which takes 50 hours to eat (pulled that number out of my bum). The first 15 hrs if eating consists of Mashed Potato. But you are promised after that layer there's some double chocolate chip cookie ice cream with strawberry sauce. The thing is, by the time you get there, you feel so sick on the mashed potato you don't care anymore about the chocolate chip so you say "stuff that" and walk away. That's if you make it through that time.

I'm aboutr 90 hours in and the game is very fulfilling.

and yes, the review is wrong, very wrong. It's not even a matter of opinion, because it falls straight on by the book misinformation quite a few times. But controversy for it's own sake is the whole point behind zero punctuation I guess.

Usual advice is usual: if you hate a genre, don't review those games. But again, if Yahtze didn't find anything to bash about a game, he'd probably just invent, so I guess he rejoices when he gets to review a game of a genre he hates.

Funny part, is that he tries to paint the game and the characters as stereotypical (an hint, they aren't), but the result is that his review ends up being the only stereotypical thing in the whole picture. IE: Angry western journalist reviewing a Japanese game that he WANTS to hate. We've seen plenty of those.

Falls a bit short of funny.

Oh and by the way, the first 15 hours aren't boring. Are they linear? Yes they are, but they are also action packed, more or less like other equally linear and equally action packed, but critically acclaimed games like God of War 3 (just that in that case the biased journo will use a different term to put it in a positive light, like "streamlined")
The difference is that while those games will offer ONLY the 15 (or less) hours of on-rails gameplay, Final Fantasy XIII also offers another 10-50 hours of completely open ended gameplay (depending on how much of it you decide to do).
It takes quite a bit of bias (and sillyness) to really affirm that this is a bad thing.

It might be good at the 90th hour, but it is not worth the trouble if it means that you have to endure 15-25 hours of dullness and uncertainty before you get to the good stuff. And don't give me that JRPG fanboy response; "the first 20 hours ARE fun and enjoyable" because you are only fooling yourself. With so many corridors they just had to hand Lightning a Go-Kart and we will be playing Mario Kart: Drama Edition.

This, coming from someone who loved FF6->9, Persona 4, Tales of Vesperia and many other JRPGs. As of late the FF series have been giving JRPGs a bad name (12 and 13 specially)

Wow, that's a lot of pages of responses. Guess we all saw this one coming a mile off.

Apostacious:
reviewing a game you didn't even play fully? well done Yahtzee, mediocrity is your forté :)

And once again another retard completely misses the point. The hypocrisy of your claim is staggering, as you obviously didn't watch Yahtzee's review any further once he said he'd only played 5 hours. Otherwise you'd have seen the bit where he blatantly pointed out that the fact that a game gets better later is NOT A GOOD THING if the opening makes you want to chew off your own face to get away from it.

Abriael:
I'm aboutr 90 hours in and the game is very fulfilling.

and yes, the review is wrong, very wrong. It's not even a matter of opinion, because it falls straight on by the book misinformation quite a few times. But controversy for it's own sake is the whole point behind zero punctuation I guess.

Um, no. The review is not wrong and Yahtzee didn't make anything up, unless you're going to start splitting hairs on his exact wording. You can disagree with him, but he's not "wrong". And even if he did misrepresent or exaggerate a few details, this doesn't automatically invalidate his overall opinion.

Usual advice is usual: if you hate a genre, don't review those games. But again, if Yahtze didn't find anything to bash about a game, he'd probably just invent, so I guess he rejoices when he gets to review a game of a genre he hates.

You are aware that Yahtzee has a JOB to do and doesn't always get to choose the games he reviews. More to the point, if he DIDN'T review FFXIII then a thousand whiny fans would start screaming for him to do so- either people who WANT to see him rip it apart for the entertainment value, or idiotically optimistic FF fanboys who somehow believe he would praise it and then proceed to bash him when he doesn't. It happened with Smash Bros Brawl, after all- people had to nag him into reviewing it, then flamed him for not loving it. Morons.

And I think you have a mighty damn gall to openly accuse Yahtzee of making up lies about a game just to be funny. That's practically malicious slander.

Oh and by the way, the first 15 hours aren't boring. Are they linear? Yes they are, but they are also action packed, more or less like other equally linear and equally action packed, but critically acclaimed games like God of War 3 (just that in that case the biased journo will use a different term to put it in a positive light, like "streamlined")
The difference is that while those games will offer ONLY the 15 (or less) hours of on-rails gameplay, Final Fantasy XIII also offers another 10-50 hours of completely open ended gameplay (depending on how much of it you decide to do).

It takes quite a bit of bias (and sillyness) to really affirm that this is a bad thing.

OK, now you've ventured into the realm of "just plain wrong". Yahtzee was bored playing the first 15 hours. Ergo, I don't see where you get off telling him it's not boring. That's like getting someone to try chilled monkey brains and telling them they're wrong when they say they don't like the taste. Maybe YOU like chilled monkey brains, but that doesn't mean your word is reality. And frankly, almost all critics, game journalists and the vast majority of fans are in agreement with Yahtzee- the opening of FFXIII is outright lousy; the only difference is whether they're prepared to accept "it gets better later" as an excuse. Comparing a Final Fantasy game to God of War is just plain stupid- if God of War was given an open world it would completely derail the non-stop explosive action experience, but FFXIII is a god-damned RPG, from the Final Fantasy series no less! And if the first 15 hours of FFXIII are boring, I don't see how you can say this makes it better than GoW III just because FFXIII goes on longer after it gets better.

What's funny is how the Japanese game magazines are giving it 10/10
Do they *really* view RPGs in a different light than, say, the USA?

Wounded Melody:
What's funny is how the Japanese game magazines are giving it 10/10
Do they *really* view RPGs in a different light than, say, the USA?

its just that rpgs like this are normal there and it's not as bad as these none jrpg players say

I love how so many people are angry about how Yahtzee raped the game like he does every single week and how he only spent five hours playing the game. I've never seen ZP as an actual game review. It's just a hilarious take on every game he plays. He concentrates purely on the bad because it's much funnier that way. He reviews genres he hates because it's funnier that way. I've seen the show as a form of pure entertainment more than actual game reviewing.

Also, you have to admit, FFXIII is a bit of a weak spot in the series. The story's not bad, but Vannile, Hope and Snow are three of the most annoying characters in any Final Fantasy. Vanille's just flat out annoying, Hope takes a break after every battle to cut himself and Snow is the most over-optimistic person I've ever seen. I cringe every time he makes one speech about saving the world for Serrah, meaning I cringe a lot because he makes one of those speeches before practically every battle...

And the battle system takes almost all control from the player, giving it to an AI is literally retarded. The paradigm system shift makes me laugh every time I die because Lightening was too busy spinning to realize that a gigantic bird was eating her face, and no one can comprehend the concept that you shouldn't stand next to a tank getting nuked.

All in all, the game is still a good game, it just has more issues than most Final Fantasy Games. And people take Yahtzee far too seriously.

Its probably already been said but, as far as Final Fantasy goes, you either love it or you hate it.. Me personally, I love it, but I still found this review entertaining nonetheless.

I am still yet to play Thirteen though, and I still will, so in the end this changes nothing.

Cheers, Yahtzee.

well i consider this one of his bad reviews been alot lately i like humor but these one lately lacked that

Stranger 517:
I love how so many people are angry about how Yahtzee raped the game like he does every single week and how he only spent five hours playing the game. I've never seen ZP as an actual game review. It's just a hilarious take on every game he plays. He concentrates purely on the bad because it's much funnier that way. He reviews genres he hates because it's funnier that way. I've seen the show as a form of pure entertainment more than actual game reviewing.

Also, you have to admit, FFXIII is a bit of a weak spot in the series. The story's not bad, but Vannile, Hope and Snow are three of the most annoying characters in any Final Fantasy. Vanille's just flat out annoying, Hope takes a break after every battle to cut himself and Snow is the most over-optimistic person I've ever seen. I cringe every time he makes one speech about saving the world for Serrah, meaning I cringe a lot because he makes one of those speeches before practically every battle...

And the battle system takes almost all control from the player, giving it to an AI is literally retarded. The paradigm system shift makes me laugh every time I die because Lightening was too busy spinning to realize that a gigantic bird was eating her face, and no one can comprehend the concept that you shouldn't stand next to a tank getting nuked.

All in all, the game is still a good game, it just has more issues than most Final Fantasy Games. And people take Yahtzee far too seriously.

i personally like snow and hated when lighting berated him

hahaha
awesome review. One of the funnier ZP episodes in a while, I must say.
You've very accurately highlighted why I also dislike "new" JRPG's, yet I loved older ones.
FF6 fo life!

btw it was on 3 disc because of the damn cg movies and because blueray disc have more space and better video compression

This thread is comedy gold, almost as good as Yahtzee's review. Watching the rage is soothing to the soul.

USFPutty:
If the game can't grab you, or you don't find some redeeming qualities about it, in FIVE HOURS, that's not a good game.

Pretty much this. You don't watch a TV series and go through the first 5 hours of utter boredom because someone tells you "it gets better". The game needs to grab your attention. If 5 hours isn't adequate time for that then it has "AWFUL FAIL" written all over it.

damn it i seem to be doing what someone else was doing sorry everyone like what you want it not really any of my business

Tetranitrophenol:
And don't give me that JRPG fanboy response; "the first 20 hours ARE fun and enjoyable" because you are only fooling yourself. With so many corridors they just had to hand Lightning a Go-Kart and we will be playing Mario Kart: Drama Edition.

Welcome to the world of gaming today. You must dislike a whole lot of games out there, given that corridors and on rails gameplay has become almost the norm and for sure not the exception :D

At the very least Final Fantasy XIII offers something else on top of it. Plenty critically acclaimed games do NOT offer anything else after the customary ten hours of sticking to a single rail.

Indecipherable:
This thread is comedy gold, almost as good as Yahtzee's review. Watching the rage is soothing to the soul.

rage? please. I'm actually very much amused. It's always funny to see gamers criticize elements that they acclaim in other kind of games. Biases are always an amusing thing on the internets.

Stranger 517:

Also, you have to admit, FFXIII is a bit of a weak spot in the series. The story's not bad, but Vannile, Hope and Snow are three of the most annoying characters in any Final Fantasy.

All three have a very steep character progression. How I wish I could see that in more western games, where characters like Kratos start dull and remain dull til the end...

And the battle system takes almost all control from the player, giving it to an AI is literally retarded. The paradigm system shift makes me laugh every time I die because Lightening was too busy spinning to realize that a gigantic bird was eating her face, and no one can comprehend the concept that you shouldn't stand next to a tank getting nuked.

The paradigm shift system falls under the "easy to learn, hard to master" definition. Once you master it, you have plenty control. Mind you, if you're not shifting paradygm at least every two attacks, normally you're doing something wrong.

Oh, just FYI, with the right timing the paradigm shift animation is instant, and it even fully recharges your ATB bar.
Easy to learn. Hard to master.

Arcane Azmadi:

And once again another retard completely misses the point.

And once again, another smartie feels the need to insult someone that happens to share a different opinion :D
Because youn know, to think differently, you MUST be a "retard" :D

The hypocrisy of your claim is staggering, as you obviously didn't watch Yahtzee's review any further once he said he'd only played 5 hours. Otherwise you'd have seen the bit where he blatantly pointed out that the fact that a game gets better later is NOT A GOOD THING if the opening makes you want to chew off your own face to get away from it.

Personally I watched it all. The game doesn't get better later. It gets different.
Plenty people loved the first part and how streamlined it is, and had trouble with how challenging the second part can be.
Final Fantasy XIII is two games in one (both quality and quantity-wise), which part you like more is a matter of taste.

It's funny though, how yathzee says that it gets "better" purely out of hearsay.

Um, no. The review is not wrong and Yahtzee didn't make anything up, unless you're going to start splitting hairs on his exact wording. You can disagree with him, but he's not "wrong". And even if he did misrepresent or exaggerate a few details, this doesn't automatically invalidate his overall opinion.

Aside from the blatant exaggeration, that's yathze's trademark, there are plenty details that are plain wrong, even during the first five hours of the game.

Aside from the blatant misrepresentation of Hope in order to make him look more stereotyped and incoherent (he's a weakling, but he fights like a champ! yada yada), since hope is the first character to start showing progression during the game, and enters in the "fighting" mindset well before the end of the 5 hours that yathze played.

The funny part is the representation of the combat. As soon as one gets accustomed to it (operation that for me took about 15 minute, wohoo big deal), it gets to be a very fast and absolutely not clunky experience. All menus are accessible, and there are shortcuts you can use. The options are also very varied, making it a fast paced but tactical experience as a whole.
Maybe if yathze didn't sit on his couch with the pre-made mindset "i MUST destroy this game, no matter what", he would have noticed?

You are aware that Yahtzee has a JOB to do and doesn't always get to choose the games he reviews. More to the point, if he DIDN'T review FFXIII then a thousand whiny fans would start screaming for him to do so- either people who WANT to see him rip it apart for the entertainment value, or idiotically optimistic FF fanboys who somehow believe he would praise it and then proceed to bash him when he doesn't. It happened with Smash Bros Brawl, after all- people had to nag him into reviewing it, then flamed him for not loving it. Morons.

And again, sharing a different opinion means being morons, yep, of course.
I seriously doubt many would have complained if he didn't review Final Fantasy XIII, expecially knowing him and his (alleged) tastes. Doubt we'll ever know what his real tastes are, of course.

And I think you have a mighty damn gall to openly accuse Yahtzee of making up lies about a game just to be funny. That's practically malicious slander.

Aside from the fact that "slander" is oral. the word you're looking for may be "libel".
I didn't know that Yatzhee was some sort of god immune from any sort of criticism or responsibility for what he says, so that calling him on it equals to some form of unforgivable sin.
Shall we re-enact the lex iulia maiestatis?

OK, now you've ventured into the realm of "just plain wrong". Yahtzee was bored playing the first 15 hours.

5 hours. He didn't even get to 15. If he's bored by the first 5 hours of Final Fantasy XIII, I wonder what happens with the first 5 hours of God of War 3 (that happen to be almost the ONLY 5 hours, by the way), that happen to be a lot of fighting in a corridor. Which is exactly what Final Fantasy XIII is. The only difference is that FF has an interesting story during those 5 hours, and interesting characters to get to know.

Oh and God FORBID the game not telling you every single detail of the story immediately! lol.

And frankly, almost all critics, game journalists and the vast majority of fans are in agreement with Yahtzee- the opening of FFXIII is outright lousy

You must not read much. Edge and Jim Sterling don't make up for the whole press (thank goodness), and for pretty damn sure not for the whole gaming danbase.

the only difference is whether they're prepared to accept "it gets better later" as an excuse. Comparing a Final Fantasy game to God of War is just plain stupid- if God of War was given an open world it would completely derail the non-stop explosive action experience, but FFXIII is a god-damned RPG, from the Final Fantasy series no less! And if the first 15 hours of FFXIII are boring, I don't see how you can say this makes it better than GoW III just because FFXIII goes on longer after it gets better.

So basically you're saying that the "right" mindset to approach Final Fantasy XIII is coming in with a pre-made bias (because RPGs on rails "from the Final Fantasy series no less!" never existed, right?), that since it's an "RPG" it MUST be open world (derailing the non-stop explosive action experience), while God of War 3 MUST be on rails, because otherwise it'd derail the non-stop explosive action experience.
Yep. And thinking differently is "just plain stupid".

I rest my case.

I see people talking about the "fanboy rage" in this thread from gamers that love Final Fantasy XIII, but honestly the biggest "fanboy rage" i see here is from people that love yatzhee and are angry as hell that someone might think to criticize his way to pick games apart. Angry enough to blatantly insult whoever might happen to differ.

Mind you, Yatzhee's way is obviously a sound business model, and most of the times he makes decent points, but this time around the bias seems to have outweighted the facts too much, and it shows.

But don't fret. Yatzhee will survive and thrive even if I happen to differ with his views and ways.

Abriael:

Tetranitrophenol:
And don't give me that JRPG fanboy response; "the first 20 hours ARE fun and enjoyable" because you are only fooling yourself. With so many corridors they just had to hand Lightning a Go-Kart and we will be playing Mario Kart: Drama Edition.

Welcome to the world of gaming today. You must dislike a whole lot of games out there, given that corridors and on rails gameplay has become almost the norm and for sure not the exception :D

At the very least Final Fantasy XIII offers something else on top of it. Plenty critically acclaimed games do NOT offer anything else after the customary ten hours of sticking to a single rail.

Many games today are linear BUT running down a hallway until I reach a cut-scene, then getting dropped in another hallway to run through until I reach the next cut-scene, rinse and repeat for 20 hours; is not what makes this game linear, its whats makes it bad.

I have nothing against linearity; I consider many linear games to be very very entertaining (Bioshock for instance). However, Bioshock, along with many others keep me informed of what is happening, why am I doing this and (quoting Yahtzee) why should I care?. FF13 keeps going and going with little or no intention of filling me up on what's happening. Its almost like they don't want me to be around them. They keep ignoring me until I get the message and leave... which in fact, happened, to me and many other players.

Tetranitrophenol:

I have nothing against linearity; I consider many linear games to be very very entertaining (Bioshock for instance). However, Bioshock, along with many others keep me informed of what is happening, why am I doing this and (quoting Yahtzee) why should I care?. FF13 keeps going and going with little or no intention of filling me up on what's happening. Its almost like they don't want me to be around them. They keep ignoring me until I get the message and leave... which in fact, happened, to me and many other players.

weird, since at about 1 hour in the game you start getting showered with details on how and why thigs came to be the way they are. The fact that they give you such details in a fashion that's not "point a to point b" doesn't mean that you don't know what happens.

About 1 hours and an half into the game, I already knew a general overview on why the people were on the train, why they decided to run away, what the previous relations between the characters were, and the general outlook of the world.
Am I amazingly perceptive?

I don't think so. I simply paid attention (and actually played the game. I would love to know how many posting enraged comments here at the ones that dare to defend the game actually played it, even the first few hours, and how many are simply going by hearsay)and put the pieces together.

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