Hideo Kojima and Women

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Women and young girls with fucked up backgrounds, some of which get turned into super-weapons? That sounds an awful lot like Elfen Lied.* And it's just about as coherent as MGS.

*A friend forced me to watch all of that depressing series. I really wish I can un-watch it.

Did anyone listen to the tape of the lesbian lotion rubdown in Peace Walker? That's not a joke, that's in the game.

Pretty much what I expected from Yahtzee, but, also fairly honest too...well, to be expected when you done like Kojima as it is, heh

To be fair: Yes, Lucas did put Leia in a metal bikini (which became iconic in its own right) but Lucas didn't have the camera "molest" her the way Kojima, Team Ninja, and Michael Bay (see TF:ROTF first scene with Mikayla) seem to.

Sinclose:
Wasn't really expecting any compliment from a man who so openly despises Kojima's work :P

He never said he despised him, he said his writting/story telling is absolute crap. Which it is. From what I gather the gameplay in MGS4 is excellent... It's a shame you get to experience about 2/3 hours of it between 10 hours of cinematics exposing the horribly overwritten and contrived piece of tripe that is the MGS4 story.

That said...

I didn't end up playing much of Peace Walker on my trip, but fortunately I was able to play through the entirety of Kane and Lynch 2 the day after I got back. Much obliged, Io Interactive. Although somehow I doubt you'll return those sentiments after the review.

Oh...this will be good.

Interesting to read about your thoughts on the MGS universe, and I was honestly surprised that you like the series as much as you do. I considered getting a PSP for Peace Walker, though I don't think there's enough on the system to fully justify the purchase.

Also, do you HAVE to review every crappy generic FPS/TPS that comes out? Dead to Rights, Kane & Lynch, Singularity, Battlefield: Bad Company 2, AvP, the list goes on and on. There are other genres out there, you know.

Peace Walker had a lot of sexually screwed up female characters whose only role is to flirt with Snake in the briefing files and show how much of a player he is.

Even though he eats raw animals and had his balls cooked in a nuclear explosion.

Caliostro:

Sinclose:
Wasn't really expecting any compliment from a man who so openly despises Kojima's work :P

He never said he despised him, he said his writting/story telling is absolute crap.

I said his work, not the man himself.

You know, technically you don't have to kill the B&B corps. I've yet to kill a single one of them, all are tranqed. And that's whats nice about his games. You are allowed to play as offensively as you like, and how you go about it is up to you. Personally I couldn't bring myself to kill those poor lasses, so I merely put them to sleep.

that... and there's rewards for doing it too...

I remember seeing a bit of an interview with Kojima (I think it was on Gamecenter CX). I don't remember the exact wording, but part of it went something like this:

*Kojima turns to his female co-worker*
- How long have we been dating now?
- ...We're not dating.
*Quiet for a few seconds*
- Well, you've been here so long that I consider us a pair by now.

I get the feeling Kojima has deeper issues than most think.

To me it just seems like japanese society as a whole is ill. The sexuality stuff is one thing, but this idea that seems ingrained into the japanese mindset about men and women and the relation between the sexes seems like it's from another age entirely. Metroid: Other M (M Other, oh, how clever :P) seems to be a good example of that. Metroid wasn't selling well in japan, so they tried to lure the native audience back in by saying: Oh, were you intimidated by this silent, strong woman? Then I'm sure you'll be glad to know that she's secretly a weak, frail, weepy and insecure little girl who's totally dependent on a man!

Kojima is creepy and doesn't know when to stop, but that bit, the purely sexual bit, isn't the important one.

edit: I'd also like to add that the first bit of this feature was possibly the most pretentious hipster shit I've read all week. I think it's time to tone down the Yathzee persona bit, dude.

That man is a genius.

"The entire foundation of the Japanese entertaiment industry is sex crimes."

Did anyone else have to look up the word "cagoule?" Is that an English thing? I've never heard it before and I'm not 100% sure how to pronounce it. Also, can't stand Metal Gear. Played 1 and 2 and hated them. They always seem to be trying to slavishly recreate MSX gameplay in 3D. However, the weird sex stuff was about all I enjoyed in the games. I'm surprised we haven't had playable fully nude women yet. Or maybe a gun that rips off the clothes of female guards. That would be sweet.

I dont think theres anything wrong with Hideo Kojima i mean come on its japan. It would be normal there cause i mean where else can you find hentai selling on the streets in public, On the streets were everyone can see it. Unlike here thats normal. So let him do what he does cause the metal gear series is a good series even if they use women like that >.>
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zelda2fanboy:
Did anyone else have to look up the word "cagoule?"

Yup.

Never heard the word before today.

Sinclose:

Caliostro:

Sinclose:
Wasn't really expecting any compliment from a man who so openly despises Kojima's work :P

He never said he despised him, he said his writting/story telling is absolute crap.

I said his work, not the man himself.

Ok, go back and read my post again.

Wow. I've always known about the fan service Easter Eggs, but to strip a victimized 16 year old down to her skivvies? Wow. That's just wrong.

Jbird:
Women and young girls with fucked up backgrounds, some of which get turned into super-weapons? That sounds an awful lot like Elfen Lied.* And it's just about as coherent as MGS.

*A friend forced me to watch all of that depressing series. I really wish I can un-watch it.

Actually I didn't even think about that until you mentioned it. I can't believe you sat through the entire series. I was barely able to watch the abridged version of it.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
So yes, I had a lovely holiday, not that anyone asked.

Oh I'm sorry to hear that. If I had known how to contact you I would've asked. So Yahtzee you magnificent stallion with potent ancestors, how was the food?

Hey, it's Japanese. Be thankful that at no point in the series did you have to commit sexual crimes against women in a quick-time event.
Wait, I didn't play any of the games. But it would've probably been mentioned in the comments if it happened.

Yahtzee Croshaw:

Yahtzee plays MGS:Peace Walker and asks "What the hell is wrong with Hideo Kojima?"

Two Words. Frank Miller.

Caliostro:

Sinclose:

Caliostro:

Sinclose:
Wasn't really expecting any compliment from a man who so openly despises Kojima's work :P

He never said he despised him, he said his writting/story telling is absolute crap.

I said his work, not the man himself.

Ok, go back and read my post again.

Uh huh. I read it first time around as well.
I still don't see what you're getting at. I never said Yahtzee despised Kojima, I said he despised his work. You made it sound as though I said Yahtzee despised Kojima, which I never inferred. Heck, he even said in this here article that it's a rare thing to have a creator in the games industry intimately attached to his franchise, so it'd be a pretty stupid thing to say.

I never said anything that would warrant the statement you made in the 1st place :-/

Glad yahtzee enjoyed his vacation.

But comeone, it's Hideo, the dude is bat shit fucking insane. He has a weird way of portraying women, but what do you expect from the culture that created tentacle porn to get around the "you're not allowed to display penises on the screen" rule

"And it's considerably more progressive than a lot of stuff that comes out of Japan, the country where sex crime is the foundation of the entertainment industry"

As someone who grew up in Japan, I have to say that it's sad how true this statement is.

...

(sigh)

Good stuff Yahtzee.

If I didn't know better than to directly connect his real personality with his ZP video personality, I'd think that this article is amusing considering how Yahtzee's been attacked for the comments he makes about women in his ZP videos.

Otherwise, it's amusing in its own right. I played through the first two games a few times and thoroughly enjoyed them, but Kojima is without a doubt, totally nuts.

And if we asked him about how his vacation was, doesn't that make us just more than a little creepy? Just saying.

I knew there was something wrong with all the sneaking about in a cardboard box.

Hey now Yahtzee, that's not fair. I had every intention of asking how your vacation was in the comments - not that you'd reply - but you never gave me the chance. Anyway, I can't say I've ever played through an MGS game, but I'll take your word for it. We are also talking about the country that makes JRPGs after all, where 90% of female characters are shy and may as well have a tattoo on their forehead that reads "Please fall in love with me, main character".

Spoiler for Peace Walker ahead:

It might be wise to add that the girl in question is revealed to be in her twenties for the typical end game twist. But yeah it is a bit creepy without knowing that.

Im not sure what to say. But maybe he has a fetish for beautiful sexy women who get abused. Wait. . . ewww eww EWWW! I really dont want to think about what hes thinking alone in bed all night. Off that note, I did send you a message hoping you best on your trip so you cant say no one asked. :D

So let me get this straight, in Metal Gear Solid: Peacewalker in the middle of, what I presume, is a serious cutscene, you get a magic prompt to strip the female characters and ogle them?
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd never be able to take the game seriously after seeing something like that.

Anyway so Yahtzee, I guess we can look forward to your review of Kane and Lynch 2 on Wednesday?

canadamus_prime:
So let me get this straight, in Metal Gear Solid: Peacewalker in the middle of, what I presume, is a serious cutscene, you get a magic prompt to strip the female characters and ogle them?

No, you get to strip a 14 year old girl to her underwear for no F'in reason. I thought they did it to show scars on her (being tortured and kept prisoner) but i restart the game and there's nothing to see. And I play the game with a connector to a 32'' Flat screen HD TV. There's no way i could have miss them even if i wanted to.

I actually, sadly, haven't enjoyed MGS since the first for PC. I bought 3 for PS2 and really didn't like it.

Zer0Saber:
Did anyone listen to the tape of the lesbian lotion rubdown in Peace Walker? That's not a joke, that's in the game.

I heard how Strangelove gave bath to That bird chick every so often, and how she was so gentle.

Personally I disagree with the idea that Kojima has anything 'wrong' between him and weapon. Simply because he includes women as enemies in some games, or 70% naked through out most of the game, or heaven forbid have some kind of social comment on what has happened to civilians through out the world because of wars does not, in my view, mean he has any issues with women...

I cannot speak for the zoom-in feature nor the dating sequence for I haven't played Peace Walker. However, I found it impressive that he would even have female bosses between metal gear 1-3. True while Sniper Wolf's main point could be seen as to die, or make us worry about the girl following us around, her death was also use to feel for Otacon, to for just a second, give the sense that he had balls and though about more than Just anime and giant robots.

As for Fortune... Well... in general 2 was a bit odd so I didn't give the bosses in 2 any thought as in to what they were actually there for aside from being a kind of terrorist group... Though I really don't see a problem with Snake/Raiden finding and using 'girly mags' to distract guards.

3... The whole thing is a lamp shading of most of those 'I'm a guy that women just seem to take their clothes off around me for no good reason' style spy movie, of course Eve's gonna have her jump suit zipped down to basically her crotch. As for The Joy and her baby issues, while I know I cannot fully explain what is trying to be said about sending a woman who was heavily pregnant, I do know that the scar she had from having the baby taken away was just suppose to be symbolic, since it's a snake... And you're snake... and the game's Snake Eater... and so on.

Finally what little I have played of 4, I really thought they was just trying to grip at her emotional heart strings in that, while we are fighting animal women gone insane, is the fact that they are insane because, big shocker, bad things happen to good people when wars break out. I'm sure that, while not becoming exactly this insane and well armed, how mentally, physically, and emotionally tortured these women were, and how crazy they turned are not that far off from how some real women ended up.

... course those are just my views I could be completely wrong and both I and Kojima have terrible, terrible issues with women who knows.

Akalistos:

canadamus_prime:
So let me get this straight, in Metal Gear Solid: Peacewalker in the middle of, what I presume, is a serious cutscene, you get a magic prompt to strip the female characters and ogle them?

No, you get to strip a 14 year old girl to her underwear for no F'in reason. I thought they did it to show scars on her (being tortured and kept prisoner) but i restart the game and there's nothing to see. And I play the game with a connector to a 32'' Flat screen HD TV. There's no way i could have miss them even if i wanted to.

And the difference being... what?

Sinclose:

Uh huh. I read it first time around as well.
I still don't see what you're getting at. I never said Yahtzee despised Kojima, I said he despised his work. You made it sound as though I said Yahtzee despised Kojima, which I never inferred. Heck, he even said in this here article that it's a rare thing to have a creator in the games industry intimately attached to his franchise, so it'd be a pretty stupid thing to say.

I never said anything that would warrant the statement you made in the 1st place :-/

You're being pedantic, and in the process missing the point entirely.

tl;dr: He never said he hated the man's work, only his atrocious writing. Kojima's work is more than his writing.

Iv never played a MGS game even though i knew Kojima was insane.

But i never knew he was THIS insane.

Wow......i doubt ill be getting Peace Walker just because i don't have the Cash for a PsP, and i don't think ill play any MGS game until i move out.

Because I know someone has or will defend the Beauty&Beast bosses from MGS4 with some rambling about the mixture of their extreme emotional trauma and utter hotness is supposed to be a really creepy combination:

Bullshit.

The camera is glued on their asses (even while they fricking die), they act sexually (in a really corny sense) and they do so without any real creepiness thrown into it (I mean, okay they do still attack Snake like that... By hugging and fondling him. And they are not something that poses any real threat once the fight comes to that point).
But most of all, the goddamn easter eggs. Once you see those there's no way you can believe the developers took the characters so seriously they'd think the business at hand was so dark that it'd out-weight the fanservice.

Even if it was more than just a poor excuse, it failed horribly at whatever point it was trying to make. And if it indeed was trying to shame us for ogling at objectified women in the same manner the game occasionally does with violence, it was the most hypocritical message ever considering where it was coming from.

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