Film This Chick Stuff! Part Two: Film It!

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Death the High Cost of Living.

Make it happen.

I realize the comment I'm about to post doesn't really have anything to do with films or anything, but the Sailor Moon bit in the article got me thinking.

There really need to be a Gundam series with all female Gundam pilots. There has been a sad, sad shortage of female Gundam pilots over the entire series. The few Gundam pilots that have been female have all been antagonists.

ThrobbingEgo:
Death the High Cost of Living.

Make it happen.

I'm not sure too many girls have that as a childhood nostalgia thing. I do, but then again I was introduced to Vertigo comics at the age of ten.

Has anybody else seen the sucker punch trailer and thought that it looked a little bit like Sailor Moon. I'm not exactly a massive fan but I can see the similarities. Looks awesome though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnF4SpS9gUw&feature=fvst Here it is incase you haven't.

Complicated!? Sailor Moon is to some extent, a classic, to anime fans. It's one of those animes we have probably watched when we were kids, likely before we even knew what anime is. Many of us anime fans would love to see a live-action movie of it since there's less to f*ck up than with the Akira adaptation which already looks too f*cked to be worth watching. You do have a point about how the whole caucasian issue complicating things though..

I feel now somehow compelled to go stuff-building... probably(definitely) in minecraft.

RaphaelsRedemption:
Question: Why, to be adult, does the film have to be live action? I happily watch clay animation, computer animated, stop motion animated and hand drawn animation movies all the time. Why imply that to be "adult", we need to be live action?

It doesn't, but I guess it's about perception. We're talking about adapting a childhood property that evokes nostalgia and targeting a broad mature audience. Taking a kids show and turning it into something that doesn't seem ridiculous or make the average grown-up viewer feel foolish for watching it almost certainly requires some sort of live action premise.

I agree with you though, I absolutely love animation in all it's forms too, but it's still a bit marginal in the West. Excepting a handful of standout mass-market successes by the likes of Pixar, animated features still aren't generally considered "proper" grown-up films. A mature, animated remake of an old franchise would probably be more for the fans.

How did Care Bears not even get a mention!? It's by far the biggest female aimed cartoon show from the era of our childhood. Hell I'm, for the important parts, male and I have fond memories of the freaking Care bears!

There's already a new My little pony television series, that's just started airing.
Also there are a slew of CG direct to DVD Barbie movies.

Why would either one need a live action movie?

MovieBob:
The live-action version of Cutie Honey is probably the most accurate translation of shoujo-style visuals to reality.

This is one of those common problems with Japanese entertainment, identifying works as "shonen" (boys') or "shoujo" (girls'). Looking at Cutie Honey's wikipedia article, it was published in a magazine called Shōnen Champion, and, "According to Nagai, she is the first female to be the protagonist of a shōnen manga series."

Without some research it can be tricky to tell for the unexperianced, especially with the magical girl genre, but there are usually some major clues.

For an example, Chobits. The series is draped in massive amounts of pink and unbearable cuteness, but it's story is about a romance between a naive, utterly helpless and frequently naked robot girl and a mild-mannered, down on his luck nice guy. It's target audience is not female.

Then there is the video game series Sengoku Basara. I don't know what Capcom's target demographic is for it, but since the games are about gorgeous, hot-blooded men screaming each other's names its largely female following in Japan is unsurprising.

I was a little depressed that all these shows aimed at girls featured girls as the main character(s).

I know, I know. Big shock.

But... when I think of modern cartoons (shutup) that I enjoy watching.. Fairly OddParents, Ben 10, Avatar etc... well, obviously females aren't the focus of these cartoons and yet I love 'em.

(Although I've just caught the 'grown up' series of Ben 10 and have actually been pretty turned off by how focused it seems to be on Gwen and Kevin's budding relationship. What the hell? And does it need to be rubbed in my face EVERY. EPISODE? What, are they afraid pre-teen fangirls will make Ben and Kevin do the naughty if they don't make it absolutely clear that Kevin is in a firmly heterosexual relationship? Pah. Uh, /Rant.)

Liam Bilton:
Has anybody else seen the sucker punch trailer and thought that it looked a little bit like Sailor Moon. I'm not exactly a massive fan but I can see the similarities. Looks awesome though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnF4SpS9gUw&feature=fvst Here it is incase you haven't.

The movie COULD have been this.

Or like this! :D

I rather like Waluigi. Even if the whole purpose of his existence is to fill up space in a character roster.

So, I'm also dated 1987. When do the 90's kids, (I am a girl, but this goes for boys too), get their decade of remakes and nostalgia movies? The 80's kids got the 00's, I thought the teens were going to be our years? Why does it look like this is going to be another 80's decade with remakes of the 00's remakes? Heck, I even remember the 70's kids getting their stuff in the 90's, if we don't get a turn are we going to be skipped?

It's like Hollywood is afraid of all the anime we had circa 1996- and here's a hint guys, you film it in the setting it was designed to have. If Americans can get blue 'naturistic' cat people they can grasp Shintoism and Japan. If the main characters are set specifically in Japan then they should be Asian. If not then anything goes.

Squigie:

MovieBob:
The live-action version of Cutie Honey is probably the most accurate translation of shoujo-style visuals to reality.

This is one of those common problems with Japanese entertainment, identifying works as "shonen" (boys') or "shoujo" (girls'). Looking at Cutie Honey's wikipedia article, it was published in a magazine called Shōnen Champion, and, "According to Nagai, she is the first female to be the protagonist of a shōnen manga series."

Without some research it can be tricky to tell for the unexperianced, especially with the magical girl genre, but there are usually some major clues.

For an example, Chobits. The series is draped in massive amounts of pink and unbearable cuteness, but it's story is about a romance between a naive, utterly helpless and frequently naked robot girl and a mild-mannered, down on his luck nice guy. It's target audience is not female.

Then there is the video game series Sengoku Basara. I don't know what Capcom's target demographic is for it, but since the games are about gorgeous, hot-blooded men screaming each other's names its largely female following in Japan is unsurprising.

This. Yes, PLEASE, please, people need to tell the difference between girly looking stuff that's made for guys/girls and guy looking stuff made for girls/guys.

Azumanga Dio/Lucky Star- Girly looking, though made for everyone.

Black Butler- Almost looks like a guy's kind of thing at first with all the demons and blood and fighting but watch out. Lots of male bonding and fan service with a large female audience.

Ouran Highschool Host Club- GILRS. Made by them for them, the main cast might be almost all male, (with one girl pretending to be a guy), but the flowers and sparkles tip this one off.

Love Hina/Ai Yori Aoshi/all other harem- There might be mostly girls, but there's one guy between them all. Guess what?

Club to Death Angel- ? Who gets off on this?

Eiken- /facepalm. I... why? Don't even Google this. NO. Cut that out. Go watch the AMV Hells or something, you'll see a clip or two there. That's as much as you need to see. And it's actually somewhat funny there, instead of just kindof sad.

minky:
You ask "why there hasn't been a "lady equivalent" to Transformers or G.I. Joe on the big screen as of yet", but don't you think that Harry Potter, and The Golden Compass are examples of female geekdom? Not to mention Twilight... I mean, I know boys do read them too, but at my school, they were definately more of a girl thing.
Although I loved My Little Pony and Sylvanian Families as a child, I have no desire to see them on the big screen... when girls grow up, they replace these "cute characters" with REAL cuteness; ie, pets or babies. And boys replace toy robots with real cars or motorbikes or video game simulations :-)
p.s: every other example on your list made me feel ill and embarrassed to be a woman. The characters in that 'Sailor Moon' especially makes me want to vomit or kick something.

Hey! Golden Compass may have a girly heroine...and the film was pretty shit, but I wouldn't say it was a girl franchise. The books had more war, violence and manly kick-assness in than LotR! As did the ol' HP.

If we're gonna get in to girls books look at the House of Night series. Unfortunately I own them all, but I'm not straying from my point - they are girly! So are the True Blood books and yes, Twilight...why are girls books all about vampires?

Jem is the very embodiment of the eighties, so i would love to see that

But who wouldnt want to watch a Carmen Sandiego movie, that would be awesome, except the chief died, thats a bummer

Just in case it has not been said, they did make an American Girl movie.

Kit Kittredge: An American Girl

Set in Cincinnati at the height of the Great Depression, Kit Kittredge, a resourceful young girl, helps her mother run a boardinghouse after her father loses his job. (source IMDB)

Seems safe to assume that none of these things will be turned into movies. Though I am pretty sure that I saw a Sailor Moon hentai a few times, other that that, there is not a whole lot of options like these.

I guess the 'girls' will have to keep on seeing 'guy' stuff.

Seriously Bob? It has come to these titles to find a movie that appeals to women? Jem?! Pony?!? Not that the titles that are men-oriented are better. I kinda feel like geeks are starting to ruin the film-industry,in the same way they once revitalised it. Maybe it's time to let go of some stuf. I'm tired of going to the cinema and feeling like I'm watching a "Fan of the 80's show" . Could you people look at the crap that's coming out lately just beacause of the geeks?! oh, and speaking of going to the movies, ever felt like when you were standing in line at the cinema you were surrounded by Comic-Book Guy? I now i have, and I'm fed up.

Ugh...just...ugh. This is why girls grow up quickly...our childhood toys stink.

And Barbie already has a live action movie. It's called Legally Blonde.

All of these except Carmen Sandiego would not make good movies. I wouldn't even consider these things "girl Geek" series since most of these things were loved by girls who would never consider themselves geeks. You know what? Forget these series/toys. I want a Cybersix movie. I actually liked that as a show.

Xanian:
Ugh...just...ugh. This is why girls grow up quickly...our childhood toys stink.

I know right? It's like when they get to girls toys they don't even try. Look at the boys section with their shape-shifting robots, monster vehicles, castles, space sets, underwater adventure sets, creatures of all kinds, and all sorts of super heroes. Then you look at the girls section with our kitchen appliances, fashion dolls, baby dolls, baby-looking animals, and cleaning supplies. What about putting in some effort? What about barbie undersea mansion, shape-shifting magical creatures,or a magical potion/mad science kit for girls?

What a sexist article. Apparently the success of superhero/toy movies can't be even partially attributed to girls who grew up with comics and cool toys versus incredibly insulting crap like Rainbow Bright and My Little Pony. Attempting to resurrect what were clearly very stereotypical "girl" properties seems like the kind of backwards "empowerment" that has all but derailed modern feminism.

Apart from the sexism of focusing something directly at females, I would totally watch She-Ra or Jem (course, I'm also a child of the 80s). I demanded that I have a She-Ra birthday party when I turned four (eons ago), then ran around the house yelling that I was the princess of power. LOL.

Anyway, the topic of manliness in youth and the opposing female roles is a really interesting topic, most of these ideas come from vestiges of Victorian Era thought. For anyone that is interested in pursuing this, take a look at the book Manliness and Civilization. Its an academic book, but an interesting read. Not that this is going to save us from what movie producers think women should be watching at the theater, but knowing where some of this mentality is coming from almost makes it bearable.

Nocturnal Gentleman:

Xanian:
Ugh...just...ugh. This is why girls grow up quickly...our childhood toys stink.

I know right? It's like when they get to girls toys they don't even try. Look at the boys section with their shape-shifting robots, monster vehicles, castles, space sets, underwater adventure sets, creatures of all kinds, and all sorts of super heroes. Then you look at the girls section with our kitchen appliances, fashion dolls, baby dolls, baby-looking animals, and cleaning supplies. What about putting in some effort? What about barbie undersea mansion, shape-shifting magical creatures,or a magical potion/mad science kit for girls?

This is why I shopped in the Imaginarium and bought Fossil/ Chemistry kits. At least I looked like I wasn't some easily pleased moron who would buy anything pink.

Xanian:

This is why I shopped in the Imaginarium and bought Fossil/ Chemistry kits. At least I looked like I wasn't some easily pleased moron who would buy anything pink.

Aww man I loved those specialty science and hobby stores as a kid. Did all sorts of crazy experiment kits with raising animals, making catapults (not a wise buy), making clay creatures and creating dioramas of impossible places. In fact, that's probably the greatest play scenario of all a combined hobby project and toy set.

I remember when I was young my dad taught me to make dioramas of buildings and landscapes. I combined that with lego sets and people to make a miniature city with underground superhero facility. The city and center were populated by lego men and they had a super hero force on stand by to protect them from giant monster attacks (I had a serious thing for gatchaman and voltron as a kid. Leave me alone). I then used transformers as their hero's battle vehicles and kaiju figures I made or owned as monsters. I also had a giant mutant barbie that would sometimes show up at random (with a laughably bad homemade outfit) and no one ever knew who side she was on. Her eye beams were devastating though, and whoever she joined always won.

Looking back, it was like a variety of kid shows mashed together and on drugs.

Hmm. No one's mentioned Kim Possible yet, so I'd like to recomend that. It's something that I think would translate well while we're still in this generation. Yeah the show is full of cliche's, but it's funny because the show is completely aware it's full of cliche's.

Dr. Draken: I hope you all have come to stay-
Kim: -For lunch?
Dr. Draken: I wasn't going to say that.
Ron: Oh dude, come on. You were so 'For lunch.'"
Dr. Draken: FINE! Then stay for lunch!

RaphaelsRedemption:
I'm a girl, born in 1987, and I didn't know half the stuff on that list, except Rainbow Brite and My Little Pony.

I'm in the same boat. I'd heard of a few of these, but Sailor Moon is the only thing I actually watched. And I'd never heard of Jem.

Honestly, the only things mentioned in this article that I geeked out over were Carmen SanDiego and Tamora Pierce's books. Especially the books. I freaking LOVED those as a teenager. I'm going to go re-read them all now.

Zosephine:

JuggernautFox:
The funny thing is that, as a dude, I would totally watch a live-action Carmen Sandiego movie.

I'm wondering who WOULDN'T totally watch a Carmen Sandiego movie. :D

Yeah where on earth are they

Furrama:
So, I'm also dated 1987. When do the 90's kids, (I am a girl, but this goes for boys too), get their decade of remakes and nostalgia movies? The 80's kids got the 00's, I thought the teens were going to be our years? Why does it look like this is going to be another 80's decade with remakes of the 00's remakes? Heck, I even remember the 70's kids getting their stuff in the 90's, if we don't get a turn are we going to be skipped?

It's like Hollywood is afraid of all the anime we had circa 1996- and here's a hint guys, you film it in the setting it was designed to have. If Americans can get blue 'naturistic' cat people they can grasp Shintoism and Japan. If the main characters are set specifically in Japan then they should be Asian. If not then anything goes.

Keep in mind that most of the anime stuff did well they got a movie. That was it, then the guys would tend to go on to another thing. Cowboy Bebop did well so it got a movie, and was pretty good. Though Hollywood in general hasn't made many good movies when it has tried to do so. Dragonball movie comes to mind as a bad movie because the people making it didn't really get the content of the original.

Another point I like to bring up is most of people making stuff that most people see tends to be about 30 or so. It being about 30 years from the 80s it makes sense the people working want to work on stuff they feel nastaglic on and love. Yes I know this isn't always true and going with a generality here.

Jem and the Holograms, Sailor Moon, My Little Pony, The Sylvanian Families, Rainbow Brite, She-Ra, Strawberry Shortcake, and Barbie?

So in other words, two that have already been done (Hannah Montana isn't just LIKE Jem, it IS Jem), two that by virtue of their animal leads won't result in the type of "live-action" film we're discussing here (and catering to the furry community is supposed to be a selling point?), lady-centric Lantern Corps, a token-little-sister franchise, a zero-premise IP, and a character whose owners have repeatedly turned down overtures for a live-action?

Good work done here. As much as I despise Rainbow Brite, that actually sounds like it'd be the least terrible on the list... IF it was done in an actiony-macho G.I. Joe style, which sort of negates the whole point of trying to make "girl" movies to begin with.

This experiment was apparently intended to determine whether there were 80s/90s cartoon franchises aimed at girls that would make good live-action blockbusters circa 2015, and I think the answer is clear: No.

Edit: Lest we forget, there ARE "chick stuff" movies in the works. Three of them are coming out in the next twelve months. They're called Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows parts I and II, and The Voyage of the Dawn Treader.

Edit again: Yes, I would totally dig a Carmen Sandiego movie. However... I don't think that really qualifies as "pink-aisle" per the last post's explanation. It was a very masculine show, featuring a masculine female doing a masculine job, and I don't believe for a second that anyone thinks it was "targeted at girls," with boys only coincidentally becoming interested. At best, it was a coed-interest show, but I always thought of it as a boys' show.

With the exception of Jem and Sailor Moon I think that list would be somewhat counter productive to the stated purpose. Sailor Moon has the issue of being a comedy as well, something that a lot of people don't "get" is that it's supposed to also be a comedy, and part of the humor is how it's a bunch of girls doing these things, and how it looks.

I've done a lot of reading on, and research on Anime, and while there are a lot of strong female characters that are intended to be taken entirely seriously, Sailor Moon itself arguably can't be despite some attempts to get more serious in it's later days (so to speak).

On the bright side, I don't think you'd wind up upsetting Japan by casting a blonde haired caucasian girl in the role. To be entirely honest girls of all varieties, and blondes in paticular are considered kind of hot down there, and to be frank when she was created (even with a Japanese name) that was probably the offhanded intent.

According to other things I've read, when people ask "what ethnicity is this character" the answer is usually Japanese, however if a character looks like they should be from another Ethnicity (white, black, hispanic, etc...) chances are the similarity was intentional and that is how the character is being treated but the creator wanted to keep things Japan-O-Centric. There is apparently less focus on this, and a gradual shift towards having non-Japanese characters, so just coming out and casting some hot blonde Jailbait as Usagi
would probably work just fine, 10-15 years ago it probably wouldn't have.

I'm not sure if "She-Ra" would work, looking at the previous He-Man movies, and the simple fact that I've never been entirely sure that it was actually directed at girls. I can't think of many girls who got into "She-Ra", most of the people who watched it were guys in my experience who watched it as an extension of "He-Man".

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If I had to look at characters to appeal to girls, with the intended messages here, I'd honestly look later on down the pipe. Simply put I think the 80s era (where most of this is from) was among the last generation with a more traditional focus in targeting gender roles. I don't think a lot of the classic charaters for girls from that time period would translate well into a real "girl power" movie, and what's more most of the concepts are silly enough where I don't think they would appeal to adults. I mean you can sort of sell Giant Robots beating the crud out of each other, because action appeals to all ages, and science fiction in general goes cross generational. I don't think a girl on the other hand is going to be all excited about "Strawberry Shortcake" baking stuff and then trying to protect it from "The Purple Pieman".

I think most of the good properties simply aren't quite old enough to be recycled for nostolgia factor yet.

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As far as gender roles go, well I'm going to again be that "worst kind of person".

Right now I think one of the biggest problems with society is that gender equality, for all it's fairness, has lead to a situation where there is nobody around to raise or take care of the children. A lot of issues related to the youth, bad parenting, and similar things come from nobody being at home, or when someone is with both parents being so exhausted physically and mentally that they can't do the job "right".

Kids are increasingly being raised in daycare centers, or grow up as "latchkey kids" who spend a lot of time home alone, taking care of themselves, even at a relatively early age.

When it comes to isses like video games, dear to those here at The Escapist, people talk about parental responsibility, and I agree, but rarely look at why parents are failing so much today when it comes to reviewing material for their kids and so on. There are parents out there who have made things work despite both working, but it's not easy, and not everyone can do it. Parenting is one of those things that nobody can be fully prepared for, and luck always plays a factor as especially in today's job market people can't adjust their schedules around family, you either work the company's set time, or they replace you.

I don't believe women are mentally inferior to men, or anything of the sort. I do however believe women are naturally better at raising children, nestbuilding, and similar behaviors. Men and women are just wired differantly. Men CAN raise children, but women are better at it. Ideally of course both parents need to have a strong prescence.

Normally I would say that I think more women need to be encouraged to stay home and take care of children for societal reasons (and truthfully based on relative capabilities and the profitability of jobs, this could be reversed in some cases), as opposed to the current "run out and get a career, Grrrrl power" attitude you see expressed today. Unfortunatly we can't do this because the economy has adjusted to the idea of two income families, and most families without both adults working would be unable to meet the financial responsbilities.

I know lots of people are going to say this is sexist and mysogynistic, or whatever else. While not politically correct I don't think dismissing what I'm saying entirely is wise however.

We will probably find a way to make things work, and despite how it sounds I'm a big fan of equality, but right now I don't think someone can really consider pointing out the benefits of having one parent being a home maker to be a bad thing. What's more I think most people would generally agree that women tend to be far better at doing that kind of thing than guys are, even if it's not an absolute truth (as in certain pairings things can work out in the opposite fashion).

I very much thing dealing with this is one of the major obstacles facing society. Either we need to find some way to "turn back the clock" and make it practical and desirable for one parent to stay at home (without resulting to oppression), or the problems we're dealing with now are just going to get worse.

I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but did anyone else the My Little Pony movie, featuring those three witches and the purple Smooze? I saw half of it as a kid, and watched the rest of it later on on YouTube. It's pretty... bad... The witches are by FAR the most entertaining part of the movie.

Either way, I'd watch a movie based on My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!

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