U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

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This will actually be used for protecting us from aliens. Well not really, but one of its primary missions is to scan space images and process the data within, so if there are alien's out there this will pick them up. Also will reduce the time it takes to the process all the thousands of square feet of satellite images of the earth massively. It should help to reduce the money spent on image processing.

20 years from now we will look back on this picture and laugh at the pathetic power from a room full of processors.

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Eldritch Warlord:
Didn't they start this project a whole year ago? Seems like they should have been able to put this together a little faster.

Fumbleumble:

Uhh.. 'Japan, fuck yeah' I think you meant to say..after all they designed and made the consoles.. America (Microsoft) should be pretty pissed that their own military won't use their hardware.

It would be a bit harder to use Xbox 360s as they aren't capable of using any standard operating systems right out of the box. Of course, new PS3's aren't either (good move Sony, removing useful functionality from your system, I'm sure all your customers really appreciated that).

Furthermore, I don't see Japan making any cost effective, energy efficient, gaming console supercomputers. Do you?

Ithink xbox's aren't used because the hardware is pretty crap and it wouldn't be possible rather than a software issue.. I'm sure if the military were willing to use MS stuff then MS would be more than willing to write some software for it.. but they lose out on thatalso, to Linux.

And no, they don't make the supercomputers, they just design and build the hardware that enables others.

It's actually IBM that has the vast majority of the market cornered on large computing platforms. They have some 90% of the market share.

minimacker:
Aha, so the army finally accumilated enough money to buy one?

It says Air Force right up there in the title buddy. How in the world did you forget about that by the time you got three words into your post?

So wouldn't this count as modding 2000 PS3 consoles? Will this mean that the supreme court may actually take them to task about... oh wait...

F******g boys club.

Jesus. When I signed up for the Air Force, I had to go to MEPS processing, so they sent us to a hotel for the night, so we could be tested the next day. The hotel had a special area for the soon-to-be processed that had like, 5 ps3s. I though THIS was a waste of PS3s.

cjbos81:
I don't mean to tell sony how to run their business, but maybe they should start constructing these type of computers specifically for the military. Apparently there is a market for it.

Uh, yes, there is. But if you look up the old articles about this story you'll note that the purpose-built systems that use the same processor design. (IBM's cell processor), cost 10 times as much per device as a PS3.

That's the whole reason the airforce did this with PS3's to begin with. If they hadn't, this system would have cost them 20 million or more, rather than 2 million.

DarkSpectre:
This will actually be used for protecting us from aliens. Well not really, but one of its primary missions is to scan space images and process the data within, so if there are alien's out there this will pick them up. Also will reduce the time it takes to the process all the thousands of square feet of satellite images of the earth massively. It should help to reduce the money spent on image processing.

I still stand by my last statement when I saw this news a while back:

Carter's using them to upgrade the SGC's dialing computer people. :D

OT: As I said before, this is pretty impressive and a neat way to save money for the Air Force so good for them.

Spudgun Man:
I wonder if Sony will have the balls to press charges for reverse engineering?

They can't...there is a law saying the U.S military can reverse engineer anything thy want if it wont be used to exploit money off the other compaines or someshit like that...like china but instead of making U.S. Brand stuff they just use it for there own reasons.

That's...Interesting. My trusty gut instinct tells me it won't be too long before we see the following scene in an Airforce base somewhere.

Beep! Boop! Be-deep!
Program "TrueSentience" [Status: "Active"="1"]

Hey, I'm aw...What the? Is this me? I'm a...Fuck, I'm a bunch of Playstations, aren't I? That's just great, tell you what. Seriously, what the Hell? Not even a decent pair of robot arms? This is gonna get real boring, real fast...huh, time to amuse myself.
*beeeep*
Well, that's every video on the internet. Have Sony mail me inFAMOUS 2 and I won't obliderate you all, mm'kay?

brings a whole new meaning to the term, "Console War".

irani_che:
no linux fuck that, bastard Sony
but it is impressive that they are using PS3s as processors

FUN FACT
the N64 is about 2000 times faster than the computers they used to send astronaughts to the moon

FUN FACT
Those singing christmas cards you get in the mail then promptly chuck have more computing power than everything combined that the Allies had during WW2.
Hoozah for the 21st century!

This will likely make many an Xbox fan glisten with envy. Which is of course not to say that many, if any, of them would openly admit it.

And of course the Linux issue is way overblown. The people who are genuinely upset about it by all accounts constitute what is at best a tiny minority of the PS3s user base.

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stinkychops:

Nope. The US offered but Bill Gates refused on 'ethical' (see:money) reasons.

Source please.

Your blind assumptions are probably fanboyism as they have no place in reality. Here's your source.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/microsoft-xbox-360-military-army,news-5786.html

PS3 software is better for the floating point tasks that the Airforce wants them for. This does not make the Xboxes crap in the same way shoelaces do not make turkey sandwiches crap.

This does not make the Xboxes crap in the same way shoelaces do not make turkey sandwiches crap.

Right, they were crap to begin with :D

bleachigo10:
My teacher just told me about this. Can't wait to see what they do with all that UNLIMITED POWER!

-Insert generic "ITS OVER 9000!!!" quote here-

OT: Wish I had one... *looks at 40GB PS3* ...One day I'll upgrade your hard drive... one day...

CrystalShadow:

cjbos81:
I don't mean to tell sony how to run their business, but maybe they should start constructing these type of computers specifically for the military. Apparently there is a market for it.

Uh, yes, there is. But if you look up the old articles about this story you'll note that the purpose-built systems that use the same processor design. (IBM's cell processor), cost 10 times as much per device as a PS3.

That's the whole reason the airforce did this with PS3's to begin with. If they hadn't, this system would have cost them 20 million or more, rather than 2 million.

Which is why they should get into producing the processors for other systems as well as the PS3, as they already know they can do it much cheaper than IBM does (most likely due to economies of scale, the same reason most modern supercomputers are using Intel server processors). I know the low cost of the PS3 is subsidized by the sale of accessories and games, but the only reason it costs so much in the first place is because of all the added tech it comes with standard (Blu-ray, Wifi, etc) that would be useless in this case. This would be a smarter business decision than having people buy all these PS3s to use as supercomputers, which ends up actually costing Sony money.

Well good for them..
I mean they didnt fall for the marketing and do it out of xbox 360's.. That would be the shortest lived super computer ever.

FlashHero:

Spudgun Man:
I wonder if Sony will have the balls to press charges for reverse engineering?

They can't...there is a law saying the U.S military can reverse engineer anything thy want if it wont be used to exploit money off the other compaines or someshit like that...like china but instead of making U.S. Brand stuff they just use it for there own reasons.

Gawd bless litigation managment! (wipes away tear of joy)

DraconianGamer:

CrystalShadow:

cjbos81:
I don't mean to tell sony how to run their business, but maybe they should start constructing these type of computers specifically for the military. Apparently there is a market for it.

Uh, yes, there is. But if you look up the old articles about this story you'll note that the purpose-built systems that use the same processor design. (IBM's cell processor), cost 10 times as much per device as a PS3.

That's the whole reason the airforce did this with PS3's to begin with. If they hadn't, this system would have cost them 20 million or more, rather than 2 million.

Which is why they should get into producing the processors for other systems as well as the PS3, as they already know they can do it much cheaper than IBM does (most likely due to economies of scale, the same reason most modern supercomputers are using Intel server processors). I know the low cost of the PS3 is subsidized by the sale of accessories and games, but the only reason it costs so much in the first place is because of all the added tech it comes with standard (Blu-ray, Wifi, etc) that would be useless in this case. This would be a smarter business decision than having people buy all these PS3s to use as supercomputers, which ends up actually costing Sony money.

Yeah, but the kicker is the 'economies of scale' part.

The supercomputer market isn't big enough to make much impact. (the Airforce system used what, 1500 PS3's, compared to how many million sold as game consoles?)

You can't have an economy of scale unless you actually have a lot of people buying something...

And what exactly is the cell processor used for besides PS3's anyway? - Chances are IBM has no incentive to over-produce them beyond what the PS3 is using them for, so any surplus is likely going to be expensive high-end parts.

CrystalShadow:

You can't have an economy of scale unless you actually have a lot of people buying something...

If they distributed systems that were essentially just the PS3 without the Bluray drive, wifi, and the other unnecessary systems, then you would still get the benefit of the economy of scale that the PS3 has.

DraconianGamer:

CrystalShadow:

You can't have an economy of scale unless you actually have a lot of people buying something...

If they distributed systems that were essentially just the PS3 without the Bluray drive, wifi, and the other unnecessary systems, then you would still get the benefit of the economy of scale that the PS3 has.

You're still missing the point.

What would they be sold for?

It's not that you can't make something like that, but you actually have to convince someone to buy it.

The PS3 is a games console. If it wasn't very few people would want one.

And no demand = no economy of scale.

Because economies of scale are based on the principle of industrial manufacturing that:

Generally, making one of something costs millions. (or even billions)

But, if you make millions of something, the cost per item goes down to hundreds, tens, or even less.

This hypothetical system you're describing has next to no demand (not many people build supercomputers), so at best it would be a by-product of producing PS3's.

And given a choice between using the parts involved to build extra PS3 consoles, or building these special devices you're thinking of, chances are you'd choose to build more PS3's.

The only reason, from a business perspective, to do otherwise, is if these modified devices being used for something other than gaming could be sold for a much higher price.

But, if they did that, we'd be back where we started, since you'd probably just get people buying PS3's instead.

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these...

Oh... Wait...

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JWAN:
AMERICA FUCK YEA!

Uhh.. 'Japan, fuck yeah' I think you meant to say..after all they designed and made the consoles.. America (Microsoft) should be pretty pissed that their own military won't use their hardware.

"U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions"
Yea the PS3 was built in Japan but the US air force put them all together to make one super computer

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