Zero Punctuation: World of Warcraft: Cataclysm

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"Fuck the Alliance." George Fischer

I might get into WoW once they add Skaven and Lizardmen.

Also, have they added Beasts of Chaos yet?

I'm actually surprised that he didn't go all gooey for the worgen considering the fact that the entire starting area is leading to the piece de resistance where you obtain a sweet hat. On the other hand, the second this came up, I thought "ooh, Yahtzee reviewing WoW - I bet he's played it before, something appropriately evil and face melty, an undead mage or warlock..." AND HOW RIGHT I WAS. I then remembered he'd written mogworld (which I'm planning on purchasing at some point in the not-to-distant future) and felt a sudden flush of vindication. or it was incontinence. I'm not sure which.

Zombie_Fish:

Jewrean:
Why were the first 5 posts put on probation? WTF? Whoever that mod was they have the brain of a biased chimp.

They were put on probation for not telling us the secret to time travel and somehow being able to watch a four minute video before posting two minutes after the video was uploaded. Posting without watching the video is useless in terms of discussion value and is only done so that people can be the first to respond to the videos, and resultantly is a form of obnoxious behaviour that we will punish for.

Well, maybe the option to post should be greyed out until the mods deem it to be such a time that people have actually watched a video.

Surely that's got to be better than putting people on probation for having gut reactions?

He didn't get to the true nature of the "numbers": that the World of Warcraft revolves around envy. And those numbers are a measurement of epeen.

For me, I was never really interested long enough, but Cataclysm changed it so much that it's really f*cking FUN.

Do a retrospective of System Shock 2.

Ah, World of Warcraft... giving gamers a bad name everywhere.

God, I fucking LOVE numbers.

Good Job Yahtzee, you've pulled back the metaphorical curtain covering the metaphorical wizard of the metaphorical land of WoW. Yes, there is essentially no point to doing anything in WoW. The whole thing is a hamster wheel. Well...more like a giant hamster wheel with rims on it in which you're a superhero fighting monsters with your friends. But you don't have any of those do you, Yahtzee? Otherwise you might have fun playing WoW.

That being said, the level grind in WoW (and mmorpgs in general) actively works to alienate people with limited free time, the dungeons are too damn long to play through in a single sitting, and it's hard to find interesting people in a game that doesn't require much thinking besides: "How many turtle-porpoises do I still need to kill?"

raunchious:
Good Job Yahtzee, you've pulled back the metaphorical curtain covering the metaphorical wizard of the metaphorical land of WoW. Yes, there is essentially no point to doing anything in WoW. The whole thing is a hamster wheel. Well...more like a giant hamster wheel with rims on it in which you're a superhero fighting monsters with your friends. But you don't have any of those do you, Yahtzee? Otherwise you might have fun playing WoW.

That being said, the level grind in WoW (and mmorpgs in general) actively works to alienate people with limited free time, the dungeons are too damn long to play through in a single sitting, and it's hard to find interesting people in a game that doesn't require much thinking besides: "How many turtle-porpoises do I still need to kill?"

To the first-point, what purpose is there to playing any video game? For pleasure and enjoyment. It doesn't matter if the game is Madden or WoW, if you're having fun, then there is a point to it (And before you say anything, yes. People do have fun playing WoW. I know from first-hand experience.)

Secondly, most servers have hundreds of thousands of players in them. Most people find a guild to join and play in by the time they're level 12 and most of the time, they're populated by friendly talkative people. WoW is quite literally, the greatest, largest and probably the wealthiest social game on the planet. It isn't Farmville, it isn't Halo or CoD and it isn't TF2, It is World of Warcraft.

I got a free trial version then stopped playing it after a day. I found that it got a little repetitive after a while.

WoW, the angry nerd's revenge zone. Played a while, and then quite. Gave Catacysm a shot and meh. Just give it time, I'll quite. *Grumbles* NUMBERS, NUMBERS, NUMBERS... BOOO!

you should totally review POSTAL 2. even though it submerges you into an extremely racist and prejudiced world, yuo end up having fun.

I completely agree.

The only way I can understand how anyone can enjoy these MMO titles (WoW in particular) is if I reduce people into huge swathes of predictable Pavlovian Dogs.
Conditioning: Loot & Comeraderie in exchange for Free Time and Money.

Reveras:
Troll, Orc, Tauren, Dwarf, Gnome, Goblin females are attractive to you? Ummm ....ok....

Rule 34 my friend... there are some artists out there that makes really nice pics of... of... uhm...

...hold on, am I making a huge fool of myself now by revealing I am a connaisseur of naughty internet art? Naughty WoW internet art none the less?

*thinks back at the video*

I know the artist of that background picture at 03:23 in the video... I can even find the picture without using bookmarks (never use them anyway) in... *starts clock*

*stops clock* ...20 seconds.. but that was only because it was on the 4th page of the gallery.

Ok, I'm a freak... I shall go hide now...

/S

I never do stick with a game for long, which is why I've always been so hesitant to play a game like WoW. I love Guild Wars, but I don't play it very often. I plan on getting DCU online for my PS3 but even that'll probably only last a month or two. I loved this review, it was really funny.

Glad to see someone got the same feeling about Cataclysm I have, "Been there done that" glad I didn't have to play it to figure that out.

Played Burning and Wrath, quit in Wrath because it got too boring and realized I should of never came back. Have had a few friends that went back for Cataclysm that quit, some still are playing.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
World of Warcraft: Cataclysm

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews World of Warcraft: Cataclysm.

Watch Video

Yahtzee, I gotta say: you claim "Nobody ever ruined their lives trying to get 100% of the items in Super Metroid." All I can say to that is TRUST ME, THERE IS SOMEBODY OUT THERE WHO DID.

Look, I finished Super Street Fighter 2, Sega Genesis, no "Save" function, 32 fights in a row, perfects in every single match. It took me well over four months, and at the end of it I felt as empty as a homeless alcoholic's day-old bottle of "White Lightning". That was over sixteen years ago.

And about six months ago, I also finished Painkiller, all achievements, all secrets, all holy items, all everything. Not sure if ruining your SOCIAL life counts, but it sure as hell ruined mine for a while.

My point: Never underestimate the sheer obsessiveness of gamers, even ones like me who call themselves "casual", on one or two points.

This maybe his best review yet.

Curiosity question: Why were the first few people who replied to this put on probation? Their posts didn't look bad.

Anyway, I'll go on record to say I want to play this game but don't because I dislike paying for games I've already paid for at the store, and I kinda can't run it on my hardware anyway unless I dualboot it.

Stabby Joe:
That's a lot of responses from people who clearly haven't watch it.

Since I actually did however I've got a question... how does the expansion impact those who don't have it? I haven't played in a few months and am now wondering when I do I'll be on top of a mountain or beneath a whole new town.

I don't think any of my characters ended up in any weird places, but then again, I always log out in cities. You shouldn't have any issues in that regard.

If you don't have the expansion, you won't be able to make either of the two new races, you won't be able to buy the flight license which allows you to fly in the old world. I think you also need the expansion to learn the new secondary profession, archeology. You also won't be able to level past level 80. I don't know if you were playing when they put in the cataclysm patch a month or so before the expansion came out, but it completely changed everybody's talent trees. Also, because of the landscape changes from the cataclysm, they almost completely did every zone in the 1-60 range. So leveling from 1 to 60 will be a completely different experience from what I've seen. They changed a lot of the level ranges for those zones too.

BlueInkAlchemist:
Judging by some of the drivel floating around the WoW forums, you'd think this "game" is nothing more than a glorified spreadsheet passed around a table by a bunch of fat nerds.[/b]

No... thats EVE

Alandoril:

Zombie_Fish:

Jewrean:
Why were the first 5 posts put on probation? WTF? Whoever that mod was they have the brain of a biased chimp.

They were put on probation for not telling us the secret to time travel and somehow being able to watch a four minute video before posting two minutes after the video was uploaded. Posting without watching the video is useless in terms of discussion value and is only done so that people can be the first to respond to the videos, and resultantly is a form of obnoxious behaviour that we will punish for.

Well, maybe the option to post should be greyed out until the mods deem it to be such a time that people have actually watched a video.

Surely that's got to be better than putting people on probation for having gut reactions?

That would require thought
banning them is easier

I agree with the raid mentality, but people seem to always bring that up as if it's the universal reason people play WoW. I refuse to believe that I'm a rare type of WoW player that plays the game because he likes the gameplay. I don't raid admittedly because fuck killing dragons, but I do a lot of PvP, and I enjoy teleporting around on my Rogue and using the knowledge of my class to beat other players, the same way people like playing COD, or Starcraft or whatever the fuck. In fact, the majority of people I know who play WoW play for the exact same reason.

Also, I hate the bragging situation where people constantly want to be congratulated on their achievements, or their new piece of gear. But, like above, I know far more people who think just the same than people who don't.

Yahtzeeeeeee. . . it was a great review but it would have been hilarious to hear your take on the WoW rp that occurs on some servers. The potential for hilarity is astounding.

And yes, numbers rule endgame with an iron fist.

Alandoril:
Well, maybe the option to post should be greyed out until the mods deem it to be such a time that people have actually watched a video.

Surely that's got to be better than putting people on probation for having gut reactions?

In case you're wondering what's taken me so long to respond, I actually like this idea so I decided to ask other staff members about it and have only recently gotten a response from one of the higher powers.

Kuliani is going to ask the Tech Team about it, but chances are it's going to be low on the list of priorities if they do like the idea, so even if they agree with it don't expect to be seeing such a system in place soon.

All about numbers? My numbers are bigger than yours? Normally I think Yatzee's right on the money, but from time to time I get the feeling he really has to stretch and convolute things so much to make a show that it's no longer really sensical or applicable, and honestly I think with this video it's one of those times.

Specula:
All about numbers? My numbers are bigger than yours? Normally I think Yatzee's right on the money, but from time to time I get the feeling he really has to stretch and convolute things so much to make a show that it's no longer really sensical or applicable, and honestly I think with this video it's one of those times.

After you max out your first character in WOW, the "incredible journey" phase ends.

Now you can either start all over with another, and believe me at the 3rd one you streamline everything and don't even read quest text anymore. Or you start doing endgame, which is really maxing stats by endless grinding and raiding where game experience is quite limited compared to campaign.

lol
for someone that claims to "hate" WOW sooo much he still sounds very invested in the game.
Doesn't seem like someone would expend the effort to take a slap at the opposing faction in WoW if they weren't still a bit overly invested in it all. ;P

Case of "doth protest too much"? You be the judge.

P.s. also, is it just me of is the show more and more seeming like he's not reviewing as much as he used to, more like..trying hard to play a consistent role someone told him he was expected to play to make money.
When the show first started he wasn't always over the top "I hate everything", more evenhanded and straight forward. Now it feels more like I'm watching a cartoon, although I can't decide if it's South Park or Family guy.

xdiesp:

Specula:
All about numbers? My numbers are bigger than yours? Normally I think Yatzee's right on the money, but from time to time I get the feeling he really has to stretch and convolute things so much to make a show that it's no longer really sensical or applicable, and honestly I think with this video it's one of those times.

After you max out your first character in WOW, the "incredible journey" phase ends.

Now you can either start all over with another, and believe me at the 3rd one you streamline everything and don't even read quest text anymore. Or you start doing endgame, which is really maxing stats by endless grinding and raiding where game experience is quite limited compared to campaign.

I play the game, I know how it is. Maybe I'm wierd in that I do end game content for the experience of destroying the opposite faction in PvP and for actually fighting bosses for the challenge. The rewards (justice/valour/honour/conquest points and gear) are just icing on the cake and are by no means a primary reason I go there. At the end of the day "numbers" being so important applies to just about every game ever created in the history of video gaming if you stretch it and convolute it as much as Yatzee did with this video.

I'd ask how he ended up in a guild, but then I'd probably be put on probation.

viciouspen:
lol
for someone that claims to "hate" WOW sooo much he still sounds very invested in the game.
Doesn't seem like someone would expend the effort to take a slap at the opposing faction in WoW if they weren't still a bit overly invested in it all. ;P

Case of "doth protest too much"? You be the judge.

P.s. also, is it just me of is the show more and more seeming like he's not reviewing as much as he used to, more like..trying hard to play a consistent role someone told him he was expected to play to make money.
When the show first started he wasn't always over the top "I hate everything", more evenhanded and straight forward. Now it feels more like I'm watching a cartoon, although I can't decide if it's South Park or Family guy.

who said he hates it? He said he likes it himself, what he hates is the fact that it takes up 99% of his time.

Well, shoot me now, but ENDGAME CONTENT.

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