Zero Punctuation: Walking Dead

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lord.jeff:

Sounds like the staff was to lazy or to pressed to be able to make that a meaningful decision.

No, that character was dead by the time the comic starts and this game takes place in the comic's canon. I assume the reason they gave you a choice was to affect the attitude of his father towards the main character.

Waaghpowa:
I saw the ending in Episode 2 coming a mile away. Still good despite it's predictability.

I know what you mean as soon as I followed them back to their property in the beginning I was like

Knowing the series from its comic origins, and knowing the writer who hates endings like what yahtzee used as examples. All of them(show,comic, game) are most likely going to end with everyone dead and as the last person you know dies it will be extreamly heart wrenching. Then you leave the series loving or hateing it almost on that final moment alone because it was so dramatic.

A pretty weak game overall . Predictable story and inconsistend characters .I predicted that the family in the dairy are canibals right after they warned me not to get in the barn .

Jorec:

lord.jeff:

Sounds like the staff was to lazy or to pressed to be able to make that a meaningful decision.

No, that character was dead by the time the comic starts and this game takes place in the comic's canon. I assume the reason they gave you a choice was to affect the attitude of his father towards the main character.

Still a turn off for me, this game sounded like it'd be perfect for having a flexible narrative but it ruins that because it has to tie in with the other story. Why even make it a choice then?

lord.jeff:

Jorec:

lord.jeff:

Sounds like the staff was to lazy or to pressed to be able to make that a meaningful decision.

No, that character was dead by the time the comic starts and this game takes place in the comic's canon. I assume the reason they gave you a choice was to affect the attitude of his father towards the main character.

Still a turn off for me, this game sounded like it'd be perfect for having a flexible narrative but it ruins that because it has to tie in with the other story. Why even make it a choice then?

You've got me there. Like I said choosing the older son will have his dad be nicer to you when you leave the farm. Maybe if you return there later on it'll come into affect then? Honestly I don't know.

Edit: Also I don't think this ties into the comic's story very much. Its in the same universe as the comic, but its kind of doing its own thing as far as I know. I guess they just wanted to explain how he died is all.

OniaPL:
So, Yahtzee absolutely loved the game and will admit that it is the new epitome of adventure games and the best game of this decade.

I want lemonade, on another note, anyone else read/reading TWD comics?

show was crap
comics siries is awsome (just reached issue 100!)
and the reason u dont care to see what next is probably cause u dont care about the tv/comic siries
you see some of these characters (the bossy chick whos fathers head u smash, that guy glenn and hershel and his family on the farm) apear later in the comics and show and for me its interesting to see how they got there
and yea the gameplay is rather weak but its ok its telltale the gameplay is not as important as the story...

Assassin Xaero:

yeahhhh it's not that I hate children, but a dimwitted kid just seemed to have a lower survival rating than a very competent dude. unfortunately that's one case where it was like an oh poop decision

Episode 2 had better decision points yes though the ending was incredibly predictable lol

still, in this vein of progress, episode 3 should be pretty sweet :]

Yahtzee has a point. I mean, really, how would you imagine the end of a zombie apocalypse? Most likely everyone alive dies either to famine, disease, accidents, survivor infighting or, you know, getting chomped on by the undead. The zombies, being already dead and all, will just slowly rot away and all that remains in a desolate wasteland slowly being claimed back by nature.

Waaghpowa:
I saw the ending in Episode 2 coming a mile away. Still good despite it's predictability.

Yes, it was quite obvious. Secluded farm, creepy, weirdly hospitable redneck family and a locked barn...

And yes, as Yahtzee said, it's quite obvious an evil military/mercenary/bandit band will make an appearance.

Also, they will most likely find:
- an isolated, weirdly too perfect (almost utopistic) camp or town with a dark secret. (That could be Ep. 2)
- a doctor who claims he has the cure, but it will either turn out to be a dud or he will die just before finishing it.
- another band of survivors mostly equal in size, demography and equipment, that they will get along well in the beginning but things will soon deteriorate, escalate and they will face them in open battle in the end. They will lose people, but also gain some new members left over from the other group.
- A lonely hermit, most likely a gun nut, living in a secluded shack or bunker with a large stockpile of food, equipment and weapons and refuses to share. (You know, the kind who everyone laughed at when they prepared for the apocalypse and when it did come, he gets to say "I told you so!".) The group is tired, out of food, ammo and equipment and when diplomacy fails they start infighting about either turning bandits themselves and stealing his stuff (possibly killing him in the process) or sticking to their morals in a world clearly devoid of any.

The game follows all the established and (over)used clichés, set-pieces and tropes of post-apocalyptic stories to the letter. The characters are clean cut stereotypes in the verge of becoming caricatures of themselves and the story is strictly railroaded with only the illusion of freedom of choice, although only a few people realized this yet. The game manipulates you into choosing the option they want you to choose, and if you still defy their power, they flat out force you back on track.


Also, most of the other choices presented as "important" by the game are totally meaningless and have no effect on the flow of the main story in any way save for a few different dialog lines.

BUT, (and this is a huge, fat BUT) the composition, the animation, the voice-over and atmosphere is so well made, you'll forget all that and get immersed in the story. Clichés, set-pieces and tropes are (over)used for a reason: in the good hands THEY WORK! And I do want to see how the story continues, even though I can most probably guess it myself. ^_^

lemonade is the cure, thats the twist!

My mind was taken over by a Black Books flashback...


"And they ALL drank LEMONADE... The End!"

I played it and thoroughly enjoyed it.

I read both the comics and saw the series(thus far) and looking forward to see where the next episodes will lead.

I heartily recommend it.

Was Yahtzee trash-talking the end of "I Am Legend" in that last line?

If so, well done.

TheDrunkNinja:
I completely agree. The characters in this game that force you to make choices really only want a yesman. They make it like they just want you at their back, but fuck 'em. Disagree once, especially in an instance where their side is really fucking inhuman, and they act like you've betrayed them.

Other than that, the game is quite good, but it does hamper the fun when you realize in the long term that your choices don't matter in the end:

Gilhelmi:
Part of my long-term survival plan is too rebuild society. I am even planing on building a library 25 years into the apocalypse, sooner if the political and military situation permits.

I am working on a short-term (1-5 years post) mid-term (6-15 years post) and long-term (16+ years post).

So ya, I would enjoy a Zombie game where I got too rebuild society.

http://armorgames.com/play/12389/rebuild-2

The game has different multiple endings depending on your choices, one of which is writing up a new constitution and creating a new government. Another is actually finding a cure to the outbreak. Getting one ending doesn't ever end the game, so you can potentially get all of them.

Enjoy.

Muhhh ahhh, I enjoyed the trailer TY.

I may be getting that game in the near future.

Sure does seem to be a lot of forced effectual moments in gaming this summer. Odd. Someone should look into that.

I didn't feed Larry either. First of all,

and as pointed out in the review, no matter what you do he yells at you anyway. Screw Larry.

OniaPL:
So, Yahtzee absolutely loved the game and will admit that it is the new epitome of adventure games and the best game of this decade.

I don't like TellTale games. I was only mildly interested in their BTTF games, and only because I'm a fan of BTTF.
And I'm not really a fan of The Walking Dead.

Gilhelmi:
Muhhh ahhh, I enjoyed the trailer TY.

I may be getting that game in the near future.

Trailer? That's the link to the game itself. It's a free online flash game. I play it all the time.

Scars Unseen:

lwm3398:

Hexenwolf:
Haven't read the series or seen the show, but everyone keeps saying it's good. I might actually check the game out first, just to see if I like the world.

You'd probably be better off starting with the show. From what was said in this review, one's sense of the world is pretty different between the game and the TV series. And the TV series seems pretty close to the graphic novels, so it might be to your advantage if you watch the show/read the series first.

If by pretty close you mean that half the characters in the show are alive when they shouldn't be, and the other half has gone off in a completely different direction than the comic took them, yeah, I guess the show is pretty close to the comic.

Sometimes I can be pretty lenient with less than faithful adaptations(the Scott Pilgrim movie comes to mind), but The Walking Dead show just pisses me off.

I believe the Creator of the comics said he doesn't want the show to follow the comics exactly. He says that makes it really predictable for followers of the comics when they might as well be following the comics. By not making it a perfect adaptation (The creator of the comics is heavily involved with the show so everything happens when he says so) it means the show becomes very unpredictable like with how Shane and Dale's fates are much different then the comics.

OT: On the subject of some of choices, most of them are just to establish relationships with characters. There are minor difference now but I wouldn't be surprised if later episodes have big differences depending on who's loyal to you.

Not much now but I'm hoping for something more later on. Especially since there's rumors that the next episode is taking place in Woodbury. We all know what's gonna happen there.

Another fairly positive review?

I laughed so hard when Yahtzee "[the child] will be a lot more tender and palatable, umnomnomnomnomnom!", I literally almost passed out... It felt like I was on the verge of laughing to death, and I loved every second of it.

Also, you can still write about John de Lancie's career without your "Q" key. After all, there's no "Q" in Discod... yet.

It is sad that Yahtzee and other people would have liked the game more if the genre wasn't so explored.

Scars Unseen:

lwm3398:

Hexenwolf:
Haven't read the series or seen the show, but everyone keeps saying it's good. I might actually check the game out first, just to see if I like the world.

You'd probably be better off starting with the show. From what was said in this review, one's sense of the world is pretty different between the game and the TV series. And the TV series seems pretty close to the graphic novels, so it might be to your advantage if you watch the show/read the series first.

If by pretty close you mean that half the characters in the show are alive when they shouldn't be, and the other half has gone off in a completely different direction than the comic took them, yeah, I guess the show is pretty close to the comic.

Sometimes I can be pretty lenient with less than faithful adaptations(the Scott Pilgrim movie comes to mind), but The Walking Dead show just pisses me off.

Personally I prefer Walking Dears adaptation style. I know what happens in the comics already. Doing something completely different in the show lets me think about characters from a different angle. Also, I know that what happens to Lori in the next season isn't certain, which greatly adds to the tension that would be missing were it a strict adaptation. Besides, the comic creators are on board, and some of the characters that survived longer in the show did so because they needed to do the plot point of that persons death before they were canceled. Once they had a TV show, they were more comfortable letting that character stick around an exploring an opportunity they missed in the comic.

You know in Walking Dead, I believe that they could rebuild society. I mean sure, it hasn't worked yet but it only has to stick once. Can you grow lemon trees in the Walking Dead setting?

trollpwner:
John De lancie's acting career? I think there's a lot you could write about without a Q in it, hmmm, hmmm?

Anyway, how bad was the adventure game era, anyway? Being about 4 at the height of the adventure game era, I've got no real idea. Although having seen some of Yahtzee's L.P.'s a lot of what he's saying seems accurate.

Well, without a working 'Q' key, Yahtzee can't write about the guy who builds James Bond's gadgets. As to your question about Adventure games, I only played the LucasArts ones, and they required a LOT of exploration, trial-and-error puzzle solving, and menu-based conversations. I would often say just the right thing to start a fight, to make something cool happen. If it was a Tim Schafer creation, hilarity would ensue.

Cracked up when he mentioned the Velociraptors in the tent bit, I needed that, thanks Yahtzee!

OniaPL:
So, Yahtzee absolutely loved the game and will admit that it is the new epitome of adventure games and the best game of this decade.

You're not alone. And then I had to deal with the fallout. By the way, did Kenny seem a little... Crazy in episode 2 to you?

Dang it guys who forgot to feed Yahtzee now he hungers for flesh..again.

Xanadu84:
You know in Walking Dead, I believe that they could rebuild society. I mean sure, it hasn't worked yet but it only has to stick once. Can you grow lemon trees in the Walking Dead setting?

The characters have actually tried to rebuild society. In fact, where I'm at in the comics, they're currently living in a nice little town where the only danger is dying of boredom. Killing zombies is fun. Living in a safe environment where everything is sunny certainly is not.

I'm not usually one to criticise Yahtzee but since this was a review of the Walking Dead game would it have killed him to talk about Walking Dead rather than tropes from the history of adventure gaming that aren't even relevant to Walking Dead, and tropes of zombie games that, again, aren't really relevant to Walking Dead?

Just wondering.

Incidentally, I think the Walking Dead game is pretty great - as someone who never read the comics and doesn't like the TV series, I think that says something about it.

lord.jeff:

Assassin Xaero:

Sounds like the staff was to lazy or to pressed to be able to make that a meaningful decision.

I'm pretty sure that they aren't allowed to let a kid die. Censorship and all that.

You can't call it puzzle anymore than writing your name at the top of the answer sheet will count toward your test results.

Ready to hear something depressing. Some American public schools have instituted a "minimum grade" policy. That's right. Teacher's are not allowed to give a student a grade lower than 40%-50% on any one assignment. So in some American public schools putting your name on the Answer Sheet counts toward 50% of the assignment.

Depressed yet?

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