The Big Picture: Depth of a Salesman

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Another great episode. I had a subscription for a time but eventually canceled when I become a playstation fanboy and in my mind at that age I couldn't enjoy both nintendo and playstation. Just impossibru

Ending was a nice touch but it made me feel damn uncomfortable I won't lie hah

Nope, there couldn't possibly have been far-reaching effects of blatant commercialization of childrens' shows and other media for gen-x-ers and early gen-y-ers down the line. And it couldn't possibly be the case that adults are and have been dumber and easier to influence than you give them credit for.

But just for the sake of argument, what would it be like if there was a whole line of adult-oriented shows that packaged and sold a product? Perhaps one made from the remains of a terrible human's life that existed solely to sell lines of clothing, perfume, magazines, other television shows with various encouragements toward particular lifestyle choices, etc.?

Anybody up for some Jersey Shore?

As someone who is not a big fan of Nintendo outside of maybe Metroid and a frequent hater of Bob's frequent tongue baths of the company, I thought this was a very well done episode. Godspeed, NP.

I have a friend who is still subscribed to Nintendo Power and looking at the new issues, they just look like really poorly concealed advertisements and bad writing. I haven't seen any 80s ones or 90s ones but the new ones look bad.

That said Tips and Tricks dying made me a bit sad because that's what I used as a kid.

Nice episode but you do know that most fairytales atleast the original versions werent intended for kids right?

More than half of those covers sent me back in time to a place in the 80s where I remember exact content from those specific issues. I sat on the floor next to my R.O.B. the robot, reading walkthroughs of games I wanted but didn't have like duck tales and maniac mansion, and skipping over tons of ads to get to the latest Howard and Nester comics....

I didnt even know it was still in print, but I'm sad to see it go. It truly was a golden memory of my childhood.

I feel like this video should have ended with TAPS playing...

Yeah, replace Nintendo power with Games Master and this is about my childhood.

Never did care for Nintendo though. but then the first games in our house where on the spectrum.

Yeah so while I recognise most of the shows there as a kid in the UK growing up we couldn't buy these toys for the most part the fad was over by the time the merch arrived.

And for the record thats the first time I've heard about Nintendo Power.

Yeah it will be a bit weird not seeing that magazine on the rack anymore.

Now seeing the bulk of the episode I must ask Bob if he has ever considered doing an in-depth look at these Media Watchdog/Moral Guardian groups for one of more episodes. I admit they have always seemed to spew out nothing but nonsense and I'm a conservitive Christian. I have wondered for a long time who these people are and if they even have kids.

Yet again Bob ruins a good video by complaining about enforced genders roles without doing basic research.

Firstly the vast majority of the Grimm Fairy Tales are about animals and adventure, rather than a person's place in society. Examples would be Cat and Mouse in Partnership, The Wolf and the Seven Young Kids, Town Musicians of Bremen, and Godfather Death.

Secondly many stories involved royalty marrying common men and women rather than nobles or foreign royalty, something that would have been against the social conversions of the time. If anything they're very progressive.

Thirdly several of the protagonists in the Grimm Fairy Tales are females; such as Cinderella; Rapunzel; Little Snow White; Snow-White and Rose-Red; Mother Hulda; The Girl Without Hands; One-Eye, Two-Eyes, and Three-Eyes; and The Goose Girl. Unlike today where having a main character who isn't male is considered a selling point.

Fourthly while some female characters did need saving (Cinderella, Rapunzel, Little Snow White, The Goose Girl) they don't need to be rescued from monsters but from abusive relatives or servants.

Finally there are some stories where the males need to be rescued by the females; such as The Pink, The Peasant's Wise Daughter, Hansel and Gretel. In other words some Fairy Tales opposed the stereotype that women need to be rescued by men.

I hope that in future Bob will do some actual research rather than condemning everything written before the 1990's as being sexist and enforcing gender roles.

Scrustle:
Does it really matter that a show was created just to sell toys if the characters and narrative are compelling? I don't think so.

My sentiment exactly. I didn't watch the Transformers and think "Oshit, I need these toys so bad!", I watched the Transformers because I wanted to see what else the Autobots would end up doing. I never saw them as hunks of plastic waiting to be purchased, I saw them as characters.

Okay, so they're not as deep as King Lear or Rodian Raskolnikov, but they're still *characters*. Fictitious people we're made to care about. That's what matters most, I think.

uanime5:
I hope that in future Bob will do some actual research rather than condemning everything written before the 1990's as being sexist and enforcing gender roles.

TBH I think Bob hates the 90's too, (Basic research and all that)

I have lived in the UK all my life , so this was kind of like attending the funeral of someone i never knew with all their childhood friends sat around weeping. The British are good at feeling awkward :P.

Steve the Pocket:
Interesting story about the FCC. I keep hearing (on forums where My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is discussed) that in the Liberal Paradise Known as Europe, it's illegal to have any advertising in kids' shows at all, or something. Which doesn't explain how networks that revolve around kids' programming stay in business, or what shows imported from the United States do with the extra eight to nine minutes per half hour, or for that matter why merchandise-driven shows like My Little Pony that apparently wouldn't have been legal in the US before Reagan are OK over there now. Perhaps some of our European viewers can enlighten me.

I'm not European but... public broadcasting. I look after kids pretty frequently and I typically have them watch that. I imagine in a lot of European countries TV stations and such are directly subsidized to play kid's shows. But year, Sesame Street doesn't have commercials.

Thing is, those programs are still pressured to be educational, and they also tend to be targeted towards a much younger crowd. A show like FIM is good despite being a pretty strong marketing push, but it can also teach lessons to an older crowd of kids without really be educational.

It's interesting how the deregulation of TV by Reagan in the 80s led to a bunch of things that were much more important in retrospect, such as the elimination of the fairness doctrine, which has made every hour of 24-hour news networks completely partisan opinion programming.

Bob do you need to analyze everything from a cold perspective?! I LOVE this! You see Nintendo Power was not even special to USA there was an equal of Nintendo Power in Brazil, called Nintendo World, which migrated to internet only long ago: http://www.nintendoworld.com.br/
Everything Nintendo Power did was actually a carefull master plan by a huge corporation that profits billions (with a B). Some articles of the brazilian one were just translation. Do you want something cool about that business model of media. Most of the guys working there were intern on english/portuguese or jornalism. Yeah! Nintendo was soo cheap in the brazilian one that hiring intern was their solution to make more money.

Funny thing about that de-regulation that led to that huge surge of childrens tv shows designed to sell kids stuff. That effect of it was really very transitory. It would make a good Big Picture episode to actually look at the various standards for tv programing for kids over the years. Starting with why kids cartoons were pretty much limited to Saturday morning before noon. and how it all evolved as a result of regulatory meddling.

But here's the weird thing about that de-regulation, and that wild west of animated toy pimps that it spawned. It was very very short lived. Look a little wider. There was some craziness for a few years in the 80's. Say 82 to 87-88. But then it all went away. It was self correcting market. As you saw with the Transformers movie, people and in particular kids didn't buy it. Don't forget shortly after that surge of kids shows selling little blogs of plastic, we suddenly started to see a new wave of what can best be described as quality shows. Stuff like Disneys afternoon wave of Ducktales and Tailspin and Darkwing Duck and Chip and Dales Rescue Rangers and Gummi Bears, etc etc. Shows like Fraggle Rock. And then the surge of things like Nickolodean, Disney Channel and Cartoon Network. That same de-regulation that brought those massive toy commercials into existence just as quickly killed them off as the networks figured rather than wasting whole hours selling somebody else's product, they could actually sell their own, and get other people to pay them for commercials while doing it. Instead of the product being a He Man plastic toy. The product was now teh media company itself. Disney, Nik, etc. It's a model Sesame Street had been using since the 60's. And it is the same business model that Disney or any media company has long operated safely and successfully under.

I see what you did there with the title.

And...

*glances at Original Star Fox Nintendo Power inherited from my sister*

I have some memories with NP. I never subscribed but I think this was inevitable, what with the internet becoming the way to find cheat codes and game information. Still, goodbye friend. You were fun to read!

Hmmm... NRA's Chris joins Nintendo... Nintendo stops print publication... COINCIDENCE????

"[...] but I try to keep this show apolitical."

BWAHAHAHAHA! Ah~ oh... wait, you were serious about that? Hang on, let me laugh even harder.

Im convinced if Rodimus Prime(Sp?) got the mouth guard when he replaced Optimus it would have gone over a little better.
Kids love the mouth guard.

I was really sad to hear about NP closing shop. True I haven't had a subscription since the N64 days but I remember the old editions that Bob scrolled through and there is a form of nostalgia.

Side note: I recognize a lot (probably too many) of those cartoons around 3:45 but I don't know all the names. Any chance we can get a list? I particularly want to know the one right at 4:00 between She-ra and Dinosaucers... anyone... anyone?

yo

can you make up a follow up video of how mattel treats their heman and voltron fans as well as hasbros/takaras decisions in transform toys?

faefrost:
Funny thing about that de-regulation that led to that huge surge of childrens tv shows designed to sell kids stuff. That effect of it was really very transitory. It would make a good Big Picture episode to actually look at the various standards for tv programing for kids over the years. Starting with why kids cartoons were pretty much limited to Saturday morning before noon. and how it all evolved as a result of regulatory meddling.

But here's the weird thing about that de-regulation, and that wild west of animated toy pimps that it spawned. It was very very short lived. Look a little wider. There was some craziness for a few years in the 80's. Say 82 to 87-88. But then it all went away. It was self correcting market. As you saw with the Transformers movie, people and in particular kids didn't buy it. Don't forget shortly after that surge of kids shows selling little blogs of plastic, we suddenly started to see a new wave of what can best be described as quality shows. Stuff like Disneys afternoon wave of Ducktales and Tailspin and Darkwing Duck and Chip and Dales Rescue Rangers and Gummi Bears, etc etc. Shows like Fraggle Rock. And then the surge of things like Nickolodean, Disney Channel and Cartoon Network. That same de-regulation that brought those massive toy commercials into existence just as quickly killed them off as the networks figured rather than wasting whole hours selling somebody else's product, they could actually sell their own, and get other people to pay them for commercials while doing it. Instead of the product being a He Man plastic toy. The product was now teh media company itself. Disney, Nik, etc. It's a model Sesame Street had been using since the 60's. And it is the same business model that Disney or any media company has long operated safely and successfully under.

I don't think those types of shows died out in the 80s like you suggested. I still remember Mighty Max (as crappy as it was) and Beast Wars: Transformers.

I think someone needs to leave this here:

Satosuke:
In my house, we got Gamepro and Nintendo Power. My younger brother always dug into NP first.

I always preferred Gamepro because I wanted news for more than just one platform, but NP was just as much a necessary fixture to me as a kid. Now both are gone.

P.S. - Fuck GameInformer.

Did I miss something when GI became more hated than IGN?

I mean, I know the writers are very opinionated and helped alienate a large portion of readers (including me) when they insulted all "Bronies", but what else did they do?

yeah... one of the longest lived touchstones of gaming culture... that i've never heard of...
ah, sorry, i can't help myself;D i'm sad for you bob:(

Wasn't really my thing, but Nintendo sure was. Now, Nintendo is less important than Sega used to be to me. The Internet repalced that magazine, but what happens if there is no more Nintendo console? That will be earth shattering to me.

I remembered one of my last and probably my favorite Nintendo Power issue. It was right after E3 2004, there was a lot of coverage about the Nintedo DS, the games, Paper Mario, the new Zelda...It also had coverage of Resident Evil 4 and it's development, and more importantly (to me) it had a whole coverage on the Mega Man collection which I was struggling to beat. Oh Nintendo Power...

uanime5:
Yet again Bob ruins a good video by complaining about enforced genders roles without doing basic research.

Firstly the vast majority of the Grimm Fairy Tales are about animals and adventure, rather than a person's place in society. Examples would be Cat and Mouse in Partnership, The Wolf and the Seven Young Kids, Town Musicians of Bremen, and Godfather Death.

Secondly many stories involved royalty marrying common men and women rather than nobles or foreign royalty, something that would have been against the social conversions of the time. If anything they're very progressive.

Thirdly several of the protagonists in the Grimm Fairy Tales are females; such as Cinderella; Rapunzel; Little Snow White; Snow-White and Rose-Red; Mother Hulda; The Girl Without Hands; One-Eye, Two-Eyes, and Three-Eyes; and The Goose Girl. Unlike today where having a main character who isn't male is considered a selling point.

Fourthly while some female characters did need saving (Cinderella, Rapunzel, Little Snow White, The Goose Girl) they don't need to be rescued from monsters but from abusive relatives or servants.

Finally there are some stories where the males need to be rescued by the females; such as The Pink, The Peasant's Wise Daughter, Hansel and Gretel. In other words some Fairy Tales opposed the stereotype that women need to be rescued by men.

I hope that in future Bob will do some actual research rather than condemning everything written before the 1990's as being sexist and enforcing gender roles.

I just... I mean wow. I had to watch this episode again just to make sure you were missing the whole point of that 5 second snip from an almost 6 minute discussion.

I am pretty sure Bob mentioned the Grimm tales as a matter of adults attempting to control the minds and actions of youth. While he specifically mentioned some damsels in distress it isn't in a patriarchal manner nor is it sexist. He doesn't even use the terms damsel in distress. He merely notes that the fairy tales were a way of advising and stearing youth, and he's right.

It doesnt matter if its damnsel in distress or damsel saves the kingdom (or goose or sheep or whatever) it was the idea of guiding youth by way of morals and stories. You took that and made a diatribe about gender and sexism that still has my head spinning. Did you even post this in the right thread? I know there is another Tropes vs. Women thing concerning ICO going on in the gaming forum, did you mean for this to go there?

What is the cartoon at the 4:00 mark called? I remember watching a lot of it as a kid, but I have no recollection what its name is. Help!

sinsfire:

uanime5:
Yet again Bob ruins a good video by complaining about enforced genders roles without doing basic research.

Firstly the vast majority of the Grimm Fairy Tales are about animals and adventure, rather than a person's place in society.[...]

[...]

I am pretty sure Bob mentioned the Grimm tales as a matter of adults attempting to control the minds and actions of youth. While he specifically mentioned some damsels in distress it isn't in a patriarchal manner nor is it sexist. [...]

Actually Grimms' Tales are an enormous can of worms themselves and the to brothers themselves edited them several times 3 times at least to make them more child friendly. I agree with Beat Writer here when it comes to purpose of the example. While gender roles and morals of the Grimms' Tales are because of the many versions a bit tricky to handle.

Was that a bunch of dinosaurs in superhero outfits?

I smell an episode.

Pokemon was my thing. I was 11. I adored the games and trading cards but I drew the line at plushies and plastic. I knew it was cheap and nasty. Why would I want a fake IRL Pokedex or some rubbish portable game in a Pokeball?

Granted the games came before the show, but it was the show that got me interested.

SnakeoilSage:
That's one hell of a bombshell to drop on a kid, it affected me more than the death of Superman (seriously, who cared about Superman in the early 90's).

I read most of the Death and Return of Superman storyline back then, but pretty much only because my barber had them. He always kept some comics around with the magazines and newspapers, usually some subset of whichever Superman/Batman-related ones were current (but occasionally other stuff like Green Lantern too), presumably to keep kids entertained/quiet. I re-read the entire thing a few years ago in TPB form, and it's aged terribly. Not that I had thought it was amazing to begin with, but I hadn't remembered it being downright awful like that...

Redlin5:
*glances at Original Star Fox Nintendo Power inherited from my sister*

Unless someone damaged or got rid of it, I think I still have the papercraft Arwing from one of the 1993 issues. It's pretty sweet.

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