Jimquisition: Monster Boobs And Plastic Children

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matthew_lane:
Snip.

Once again, all I did was state my opinion.
MY opinion on DOA is `ha ha silly boobies`.
I am allowed that opinion, so deal.
I suggest quoting someone who wants to debate you.

Tenmar:
I don't even have to listen to your entire episode to realize that Jim is just jumping on the bandwagon where every video game should be based on super realism and if it isn't realistic it shouldn't be made anymore. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't really care about the developers if they actually want to developer the games they want them to be developed. I should also mention that Jim is taking the most shallow point of view here completely negating that the games they have developed as a company have always been from average to good games but instead just focuses on the breasts because it's the hot topic of the month and allows him to be in an ivory tower and throw stones.

Yeah sure you can call the justification bullshit but have you ever thought about the marketing and research departments that are hired by Tecmo to do research on actual audiences to make sure that their game is actually well designed while sporting attractive characters that people are interested in playing?

I should also mention that the DOA girls are always going to be compared to monsters because despite the fact that from game to game the actual breast size due to all the criticisms of the franchise from people who DO NOT BUY THE GAME have actually been successful at reducing the breast size of all the DOA women.

If anything the tragedy here is that Jim and all those people who don't want characters like the DOA franchise or characters like this to exist no longer want developers to design games the way they want to but to just have everything be mundane and realistic as possible where if someone sees something that is out of proportion that as an individual whether they will buy the game or not they suddenly feel entitled to demand changes despite not having any sort of ownership or in a management position of Tecmo.

The core of the issue is that are we going to really respect game developers and actually let them design games the way they want them and let them succeed or fail as a business be it if they actually demonstrate due diligence to research and market their games appropriately. Or, are we going to let individuals who have no stake in the success of failure of a company and the potential hundreds or thousands of people working day in day out to develop a product we want to our own personal specifications. I'm sorry but if we are really going to respect games as a form of media realize that not everything has to be gender neutral, or 100% customization because that takes away from any sort of specific narrative or story that the game wants to tell the player. Let developers develop the games they want them to be developed.

EDIT: I should also mention that in the terms of eye candy department or when it comes to female characters standing out for the video game generations have actually gotten a lot smaller because of the religious right of video games.

It's funny watching people explode and write long defensive rants when someone points out how creepy their hobby is.

Iron Criterion:
It's funny watching people explode and write long defensive rants when someone points out how creepy their hobby is.

Yeahh... When you put more effort into defending it, than the guy who gets paid to say something about it.

Then it becomes that defending your creepy hobby is a creepy hobby in itself.

For some reason, I am unsurprised that Jim has a Fleshlight to trap Fantasy Willem Defoe in.

Although some of the footage used in this episode stirred feelings in me that I haven't felt for a while... I really want to go play a fighting game now.
I wonder how much that new Tekken is...

Jimothy Sterling:
Monster Boobs And Plastic Children

This week, Jim has something he'd like to get off his chest.

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Jim Sterling "In some cultures, they like to mutilate the genitalia of little girls, a BOO~HOO :'{ [...] Also, I like Porn ...A LOT!"
And in other cultures they like to mutilate the genitalia of all their newborn males ...but that's probably besides the point.
Also, you watch PORN?! On The INTERNET?!!! ...how DESPICABLE >:[

Do you realize that most of the "models" you see in smut on the net are probably victims of human trafficking and modern-day slavery? Huh? DID YOU?!!!
Personally I'd take virtual porn any day over filmed smut.
Not only is it morally justifiable, i.e. there are no real people whoring themselves out for your viewing pleasure ...but it's also considerably easier on the eyes.
...
Unless you like to watch guro-scat-mindbreak-shota-loli-tentacle Hentai. In which case... you're still not hurting anybody. You're just being a creepy bastard and an utter failure of a human being in the privacy of your own home, without actually condoning or supporting any of that shit.

Paragon Fury:

That Nami is nothing compared to the movies:

The only movie I saw was Strong World (which again, is genuinely good) but yeah I remember a lot of ridiculous Nami fan service in there too.

Jim should start using that mixer on Podtoid if only to torment Holmes.

My favorite argument so far has been "You don't like boobs" as if that's what the DoA girls have.

Fascinatingly in-depth and serious responses to my frankly ludicrous video though. Interesting stuff.

Jimothy Sterling:
I've realized the error I made in talking about the fact the DoA girls look like kids. It's small wonder the fans keep defending that by saying, "Nuh uh, they don't have the bodies of children!" My argument rests on how they have porcelain kiddy faces, but I'm telling that to people who have never looked that far up the body of a DoA girl.

My mistake!

Which one looks more like a child below? I think you've bitten off more than you can chew. You've focused so much on a single hair (the face) you've missed the whole Gorilla. Regardless of breasts, face, shading, coloring, even movement, no one looks at these models and says "oh what a hot looking child". Whether you think it or not THAT'S what your implying: DoA players like sexy children, and that's why there's so many comments. You know better. Much like a man midget doesn't look like a boy, the features (which include boobs) are part of what define the age.

If you wanted to talk just about the face you wouldn't have directly assaulted Team Ninja with sensationalist overall comments. Your angry because their business model has shifted more to making money with boobs and your scrambling for ways to tear them down. Out of every angle you could have picked this is the most underhanded BS i've seen in a while.

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GrrWolfie:

Jimothy Sterling:
I've realized the error I made in talking about the fact the DoA girls look like kids. It's small wonder the fans keep defending that by saying, "Nuh uh, they don't have the bodies of children!" My argument rests on how they have porcelain kiddy faces, but I'm telling that to people who have never looked that far up the body of a DoA girl.

My mistake!

Which one looks more like a child below? I think you've bitten off more than you can chew. You've focused so much on a single hair (the face) you've missed the whole Gorilla. Regardless of breasts, face, shading, coloring, even movement, no one looks at these models and says "oh what a hot looking child". Whether you think it or not THAT'S what your implying: DoA players like sexy children, and that's why there's so many comments. You know better. Much like a midget doesn't look like a boy, the features (which include boobs) are part of what define the age.

If you wanted to talk just about the face you wouldn't have directly assaulted Team Ninja with sensationalist overall comments. Your angry because their business model has shifted more to making money with boobs and your scrambling for ways to tear them down. Out of every angle you could have picked this is the most underhanded BS i've seen in a while.

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The DoA girl, to answer your question. A child with massive tits sewn on, which is the entire point of the creepiness.

The rest is attempted mind-reading on your part, so I don't feel the need to answer that.

Jimothy Sterling:
The rest is attempted mind-reading on your part, so I don't feel the need to answer that.

"Your angry because their business model has shifted more to making money with boobs and your scrambling for ways to tear them down."
I retract the mind-reading comment, your right I got alil' pissy. :X

"Out of every angle you could have picked this is the most underhanded BS i've seen in a while."
This part is referencing the video, not relevant for your stance when you revealed it's just about the face. The video is up though and not many people are gonna see that reveal.

The rest holds true and regardless of if one looks younger than the other it's hard to disagree that they don't basically look the same age give or take a few years, that'd place both of them as "children" or early teen at best in your scope.

If you look at anime, you'll see that extreme-sized breasts with low-viscosity wave-motion physics attached to slender teenage females is kinda endemic to the "geek" entertainment (i.e. manga, anime, and video games) from Japan. I get disturbed by it, too, because real-life breasts, even extremely large ones, don't behave in the manner that is often portrayed (I can only guess that any woman would probably suffer a lot of pain if their breasts really did bounce and whip about to that degree). I'm not trying to excuse the portrayal, because it is completely unrealistic, but, I am saying that it's not just Team Ninja that does this.

It is true that, in general, human beings like sex (there may be a few that actually don't). We like having sex, we like thinking about sex, we like talking about sex, and we like being simulated by sexually provocative imagery and situations. But, there are healthy attitudes about sex, and there are unhealthy attitudes.

EDIT: Decided to remove the last statement in my comment. It was not as defensible and probably an attempt to read more into things that could be said, in general.

allow me to summarize Jimmy's rage over boobs so we can stop having side-track arguements:

Jimmy wants more female characters in games that looks like skinny 9 years old boys instead of sexy women, because Jimmy can only get a "hard-on" when he is looking at 9 years old boys.

Really? You really don't think there are miles of excluded middle ground between those...things...and nine-year-old boys?

Didn't think too much of this episode, Jim. Most of it was spent on lecturing the doll, and you making displeased/disgusted noises. It was entertaining for 30 seconds or so, but then it grew old. You didn't really get into why Team Ninja is stupid, other than just quick surface comments. Also, the fleshlight thing struck me as odd, not particularly funny.
That said, I really like your stuff. They can't all be good episodes.

As for the topics brought up... I think really the worst thing Team Ninja ever did was get their hands on Metroid. Everything else is just juvenile garbage that I'm more than happy to ignore. Although their PR is entertaining. While Japanese culture is more open about sex, I'm pretty sure DoA isn't trying to represent their country's traditions. And if a game's "strongest" point is scantily clad women, then fans of that game are always going to want scantily clad women. Neither point justifies Team Ninja as just some producer trying to meet cultural and its fans demands. It's pandering for money.

Jimothy Sterling:
My favorite argument so far has been "You don't like boobs" as if that's what the DoA girls have.

Fascinatingly in-depth and serious responses to my frankly ludicrous video though. Interesting stuff.

Sure those boobs are fake, just as fake as that silicone fleshlite, that doesn't stop us from sticking action figures in them now hmm? And if American actor Willem Dafoe can go on a murderous rampage killing every Panda on Earth I don't see why the plastic doll girls of DOA can't have creepy sexy time, logically when calculated the two are almost even. I'd talk more but I have to stare lovingly at socks with tears in them (I'm the admin of the user group nuts for socky tears).

DVS BSTrD:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

I don't really have more input into the subject than what Jim has to say, but...

What. The. Actual. Fuck. Why. Are. Her. Breasts. Wobbling. Around. Like. Jello.

I really want to know who found the bullet part sexy. On second thought, no I don't.

Is Jim telling us that a large set gay man with a burning desire for lean, muscular and hairless latex Ken dolls does not understand the appeal of a large-chested Barbie made out of glossy plastic?

No offense intended Jim, but people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

teh_Canape:

MatParker116:

teh_Canape:

the location of that "Play" logo is really fucking convenient if you ask me

There is a bathroom scene in that anime that I cannot post because it is softcore hentai.

would be surprised if it WASN'T softcore hentai
and I don't even watch the show XD

Wow. I consider myself an anime buff but..........wow. If boobs really did that, I would probably fear them. The whole scene........I can't imagine what the director's meeting was like lol. And someone actually told me to check this "anime" out. Glad I've been to busy to bother. As far as this goes for anyone who watches this, I have advice. Turn off your TV and go talk to a real girl. For your own sanity please. Hilarious upload to the original. :P

I think people are making a big deal out of nothing. Heaven forbid that Team Ninja doesn't kowtow to western audiences.

captcha: skynet is watching

........ o_0

Hell, I won't even go so far as to judge people if they love tits that look and behave like over-filled water balloons.

Though I do admit, the blatant pandering does detract greatly from my experiences with their games.

TITS CANNOT DO THIS!!
I think...
-gigguk

http://youtu.be/TDii4knbtL8?hd=1&t=6m52s

Atmos Duality:
Hell, I won't even go so far as to judge people if they love tits that look and behave like over-filled water balloons.

Though I do admit, the blatant pandering does detract greatly from my experiences with their games.

Until it becomes something you come to *expect* from their games.
Metal Gear has miles of exposition, Metroid has miles of backtracking, DoA has miles of boobs.

The franchises wouldn't be the same without it, regardless of how much of an improvement it *seems* on a case-to-case basis.

~Also, I've never played a DoA game (volleyball included) and hit the conclusion that the females look like children. Personally, I think that's a freudian slip on behalf of everyone saying it's the case, as it's what they want to see, and thusly feel the need to demonize in order to avoid being suspect for seeing it in the first place. Ya'll disgust me.

GTwander:
Metal Gear has miles of exposition; Metroid has miles of backtracking; DoA has miles of boobs.

I'm just one guy speaking only for himself, but: None of those things you mention increase my enjoyment of the games they're in. They decrease my enjoyment, in most instances (I have more tolerance for Metroid games and their backtracking than I ought to).

GTwander:
I've never played a DoA game (volleyball included) and hit the conclusion that the females look like children. Personally, I think that's a Freudian slip on behalf of everyone saying it's the case, as it's what they want to see, and thus feel the need to demonize in order to avoid being suspect for seeing it in the first place.

Their facial features have the smoothness and lack of definition that I associate with childhood. They look like they have not grown into their faces yet.

GTwander:
Y'all disgust me.

Have you noticed how you keep making statements to the effect of, "Normal, healthy people like these 'breasts,' so anyone who dislikes them is abnormal and unhealthy?"

If I was into psychoanalysis, I'd probably be wondering why you need to create this division where there are people who agree with you and people who are sick in the head and no one else.

JimB:

GTwander:
I've never played a DoA game (volleyball included) and hit the conclusion that the females look like children. Personally, I think that's a Freudian slip on behalf of everyone saying it's the case, as it's what they want to see, and thus feel the need to demonize in order to avoid being suspect for seeing it in the first place.

Their facial features have the smoothness and lack of definition that I associate with childhood. They look like they have not grown into their faces yet.

GTwander:
Y'all disgust me.

Have you noticed how you keep making statements to the effect of, "Normal, healthy people like these 'breasts,' so anyone who dislikes them is abnormal and unhealthy?"

If I was into psychoanalysis, I'd probably be wondering why you need to create this division where there are people who agree with you and people who are sick in the head and no one else.

You've really got a hard-on for my posts lately.

1. If you look at DoA games of the past (back on the OG Xbox, where the smoothness is a byproduct of technical limitations and the artistic choices made because of it) vs the newer ones, you'll notice that not much has changed in terms of art style - and that's for an obvious reason. Reinventing the looks of characters is a dumb idea for a well-ingrained franchise, and they are catering to long-time fans by not doing it. Though, you could argue the cel-shaded style of the new Street Fighter goes against that grain. Essentially, the look of DoA characters hasn't changed at all (besides the boobs), so why are you all bitching about the faces all of a sudden?

2. I made my point about the critics seeing sexy children by nature and then condemning it. It's all in their head, and I don't care who agrees with me - because who in their right mind would admit to that?

*shades drop*
"deal with it"

~and to the point about exposition, backtracking and boobs ruining your enjoyment of a title - let me remind you that if every game did exactly what you wanted, you'd then have an issue with them all being far too homogenous. Sometimes things need a little detriment in order to remain unique or stay in their niche. I'm not going to argue over that with you, though. It's like saying "eat your veggies because it's good for you".

I thought he tried a little too hard to push the pedophile line, but otherwise the video was funny.

One of those weird projection things, like when dudes get into congress and rant about homosexuals then get caught knocking boots in a men's bathroom.

Jimothy Sterling:
My favorite argument so far has been "You don't like boobs" as if that's what the DoA girls have.

Fascinatingly in-depth and serious responses to my frankly ludicrous video though. Interesting stuff.

Well, this is the escapist we're talking about. I guess you just need to lighten up a bit more.

Thank god for jim for giving us that bit of info.

GrrWolfie:

Jimothy Sterling:
I've realized the error I made in talking about the fact the DoA girls look like kids. It's small wonder the fans keep defending that by saying, "Nuh uh, they don't have the bodies of children!" My argument rests on how they have porcelain kiddy faces, but I'm telling that to people who have never looked that far up the body of a DoA girl.

My mistake!

Which one looks more like a child below? I think you've bitten off more than you can chew. You've focused so much on a single hair (the face) you've missed the whole Gorilla. Regardless of breasts, face, shading, coloring, even movement, no one looks at these models and says "oh what a hot looking child". Whether you think it or not THAT'S what your implying: DoA players like sexy children, and that's why there's so many comments. You know better. Much like a man midget doesn't look like a boy, the features (which include boobs) are part of what define the age.

If you wanted to talk just about the face you wouldn't have directly assaulted Team Ninja with sensationalist overall comments. Your angry because their business model has shifted more to making money with boobs and your scrambling for ways to tear them down. Out of every angle you could have picked this is the most underhanded BS i've seen in a while.

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Well, no offence but while Juliet is just as much a virtual strumpet as Tina there, Juliet is built reasonably proportionately. Tina's got the upper land value, but lacks the solid foundations (hips) to carry them off.

Besides, Jun Kazama is better looking than both of them :P

GTwander:
You've really got a hard-on for my posts lately.

You keep calling me a liar and a latent pedophile for not agreeing with your specific sexual tastes. Don't act indignant that I feel like responding to that.

GTwander:
If you look at DoA games of the past (back on the original X-Box, where the smoothness is a byproduct of technical limitations and the artistic choices made because of it) vs the newer ones, you'll notice that not much has changed in terms of art style, and that's for an obvious reason.

Yes, the reason is obvious: to sell sex with things cobbled together like Frankenstein's monster to have the bodies of twenty-something strippers and the faces of fourteen-year-olds so the viewer can deliberately choose which fetish he wants to masturbate to.

GTwander:
Essentially, the look of DoA characters hasn't changed at all (besides the boobs), so why are you all bitching about the faces all of a sudden?

You said the female characters of the Dead or Alive franchise don't look like children. I disagree, and their faces are why. In short, I'm bitching about it because you brought it up.

GTwander:
It's all in their head, and I don't care who agrees with me, because who in their right mind would admit to that?

I love how you've created this bizarre universe where the act of disagreeing with you is proof that people agree with you. There is no circumstance under which you can possibly be wrong about anyone, because there's only one possibility--yours--and anyone who denies it is lying.

GTwander:
And to the point about exposition, backtracking and boobs ruining your enjoyment of a title: Let me remind you that if every game did exactly what you wanted, you'd then have an issue with them all being far too homogenous.

Let me get this straight.

The only possible way the Metal Gear franchise can be significantly different from any other game is to make me put down the controller and watch silently for twenty minutes every ten minutes of game play; the only possible way the Metroid franchise can be significantly different from any other game is to ask me to backtrack through every area I've already visited every time I get a new power; the only way the Dead or Alive franchise can be significantly different from any other game is to make the female characters look like early adolescents with two twelve-pound Jell-O molds strapped to their chests and jiggling in opposite directions.

Your point is not that these things are actually good ideas or that they increase anyone's enjoyment of the games. Your point is that there is no way on this planet which they could both improve themselves and retain an identity.

Crap.

GTwander:
Sometimes things need a little detriment in order to remain unique or stay in their niche. I'm not going to argue over that with you, though. It's like saying "eat your veggies because it's good for you."

It would be like telling me to eat my vegetables if hours of contempt for the player, hours of busywork, and hours of leering developers' masturbation were a good source of vitamins, minerals, and fiber. Your simile fails to map.

GrrWolfie:

Jimothy Sterling:
C) They have the faces of porcelain children.

Lolipop Chainsaw - Does she look like a child to you to? If you really want to imagine stretch someones age in a direction it's easier to do with plain textures. You see what you want to see. Are you seeing children?

i couldn't find a way to articulate that
i am assuming because of college induced lack of sleep
but yes
this ^ that guys statement

I have a feeling this may be complicated.

DOA seems to have an anime style. Whilst I don't know much about anime, I know that this is supposed to be a grown man.

I also kinda think that Japanese women look younger than women from other races that I'm more accustomed to seeing...which makes me think it might be an untrained eye thing, but I reckon it could also be a facial proportions thing.

Paint me confused.

As for the jiggling...meh. I spent 2 hours today in a game smashing goblins with a hammer, and I'm well aware that plenty of people I know would be shaking their heads disapprovingly if they knew.

So we've gone from boobs to faces now? Maybe we should make a sort of list where every part of a womans body has to meet some arbitrary standards of "adultness" before being allowed.

Believe it or not, but there are actually many women that have childlike faces. My girlfriend is 25 but often gets mistaken for being under 20 mostly due to looking quite childlike. She is not allowed then?

I just find this "plastic child-face" argument absurd. First of all the plastic part, it's grappy computer graphics, It often looks plastic, deal with it.
Then the child-face... I just dont see it. Sure they look young, but they are supposed to be young (17+ years old as I've understood it, which is still ok in countries such as Japan) and I dont think they look to be obviously younger than that.

But I'm not here to defend these girls, I'm not in the least interested or attracted to them. I just dont see the problem with people that are, just let them. Why should it bother you to such a degree?

Kekkonen1:
My girlfriend is twenty-five but often gets mistaken for being under twenty mostly due to looking quite childlike. She is not allowed then?

Not allowed to what? To exist? Like people who object to the deliberate sexualization of young-looking women extend their argument to wanting to euthanize your girlfriend?

thanks for that visual at the end Jim >.>

JimB:
Ranty rant.

Every time I get multiquoted in an extremely defensive fashion like that, I know my words hit home, and I feel that much more validated. You could have chosen to just ignore me, perhaps even phrase your words however you prefer, but aimed at dropping the subject. Instead, though, you'd obviously rather just constantly argue over it. It essentially just inflates my ego a bit, but I'm going to let you believe what you want to believe - because that's the adult thing to do.

Still stand by my points 100% though.

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