Pokemon Black and White Version 2 Review

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disgruntledgamer:

TheKasp:

disgruntledgamer:
This game is getting criticized on other sites for being the same as the 1st Black and white. Not that it matters IMO you just use Water on Fire, Fire on Grass and Grass on Water and call it strategy. Sorry but Rack, Paper, Scissors strategy is not hard to master unless you're 12 or touched in the head. Using whatever the other person is weak against isn't hard to figure out.

But you get a strategy when you can choose from a giant roster of Pokes, all with different combinations of types (electro/bug, fire/fight, fire/bug and so on), all with several possible movesets and different stat and EV spreads (aka different speed, attack strength, defensive strength) and items. If you have to build a team of 6 where each one has to hold a purpose and you have to be able to be able to beat all kind of builds you build yourself up a strategy.

There is so much more to this game than just "rock, paper, scissors".

Nope sorry you're wrong even when you pick your roster your still using the same Rock, Paper, Scissors strategy, your just hoping yours matches his nicely which is luck, yes you could play it safe and pick a broad roster but it still boils down to using whatever the other person is weak against which is the simplest type of strategy to the point where most wouldn't even consider it strategy.

The single player aspect of the game is entirely beatable with "rock paper scissor" strategy. It is easily beatable without any strategy. Go into any sort of competitive environment with that as you're only aim and you're not going to have a good time.

Capitano Segnaposto:

DustlessDragoon:
Black and White are still the only generation I haven't finished but I may give it another go with this.

Same, however I just have had a lot of other games to play instead. I need to sit down and beat those last few gym leaders and finish off the Elite Four.

Elite 4 isn't the end in this one >_>.

I mean I guess they basically are, but they aren't.

...is this a spoiler? I want to tag it but it doesn't feel like a spoiler.

Roroshi14:
Black and White were the first game that I played competitively. And mastered. So I am so psyched for Black 2! FINALLY I CAN CATCH AN EEVEE AND GROWLITHE!!!! Woo!

Want to be pokemon buddies? :) I'm going to get it when it launches.

Navvan:

The single player aspect of the game is entirely beatable with "rock paper scissor" strategy. It is easily beatable without any strategy. Go into any sort of competitive environment with that as you're only aim and you're not going to have a good time.

I dunno if you like to do this so if you do just ignore me.

BUT if these kind of people annoy you I would suggest not trying to debate with folks who have an agenda. Their name is literally "disgruntled" and they are being hyperbolic, I'd save your time <.<.

Plenty of valid complaints about Pokemon to be had, if they can't be bothered to pick ANY of them then others shouldn't need to explain it to them.

Sargent Hoofbeat:

arc1991:

Sargent Hoofbeat:
I'll get it, cause god damn, fuck you statistics! You drive me to battle! ...EV and IV *shudder*

But one thing, I want my leading pokemon to follow me around like in heartgold/soulsilver/Yellow

Nintendo; why isn't that a staple of the franchise yet!?!

My Gardevoir should not be confined to a damn pokeball

Neither should my Ponyta

Agreed, even if it is only the starter Pokemon that can follow you, it should be kept that way!

It's one of the main reasons i keep going back to SS.

... Who the fack wants a samurott following them around everywhere? gen 5 starters suck dick man.

I want my Gardevoir, Rapidash (Twilight) or Zebrastrika (Zecora) to follow me everywhere

Anything less will incur all of my fan boy rage... and based on the fandoms I'm in I apparantly have a lot

The Gen 5 starters are fine, the weakest design out of them is the Tepig line. And personally, i'd love a Samurott following me, a Sea Lion with swords...what's so wrong about that? ;D

disgruntledgamer:

Nope sorry you're wrong even when you pick your roster your still using the same Rock, Paper, Scissors strategy, your just hoping yours matches his nicely which is luck, yes you could play it safe and pick a broad roster but it still boils down to using whatever the other person is weak against which is the simplest type of strategy to the point where most wouldn't even consider it strategy.

This is applieable to every game that has SP. While you can apply tactic or strategy it can also be simply "bumrushed", overrun the enemy by building more shit or just hardcounter his setup. Because the AI sucks (always) and is only capable of countering your decisions if the game limits you. On the other hand, if the designer apply limitations to the AI (like themed Gyms) they fuck any kind of strategy you might want to use and let you roll with "Excadrill pracitcally dominates everything the game throws at you. Always". Though there is no ground to discuss the reasoning behind those limitations: The Pokemon SP is basically just aimed at kids - it is obvious since they 'hide' everything that makes the game complex from any viewer who does not want to start with this things.

Give me any game you might find "oh so strategic" where you play against AI and I find you the easiest way to exploit weaknesses of the AI and limitations set up by developers.

But since we are talking about strategic possibilietes we should include the only area where different strategies and decisions actually do count: Multiplayer.

arc1991:

Sargent Hoofbeat:

arc1991:

Agreed, even if it is only the starter Pokemon that can follow you, it should be kept that way!

It's one of the main reasons i keep going back to SS.

... Who the fack wants a samurott following them around everywhere? gen 5 starters suck dick man.

I want my Gardevoir, Rapidash (Twilight) or Zebrastrika (Zecora) to follow me everywhere

Anything less will incur all of my fan boy rage... and based on the fandoms I'm in I apparantly have a lot

The Gen 5 starters are fine, the weakest design out of them is the Tepig line. And personally, i'd love a Samurott following me, a Sea Lion with swords...what's so wrong about that? ;D

We all know Gen II has the best starting pokemon

Ok, well, I know. I had a Feraligatr, and it was the pokemon game I brainwashed myself on. I named him "Todonumega lord".

Anyway; off track. If we think "Oh, I'll be OK with just the starter pokemon" then that's all we'll get. Where as ALL THE POKEMON, everyone can choose. Think of someone else for a change!

Sargent Hoofbeat:
Anyway; off track. If we think "Oh, I'll be OK with just the starter pokemon" then that's all we'll get. Where as ALL THE POKEMON, everyone can choose. Think of someone else for a change!

As if the poster has any direct control over which it ends up being...?

OT: Dunno if this is worth buying since I already have Black, but it sounds like it has enough for those who haven't come to the current generation yet.

minuialear:

Sargent Hoofbeat:
Anyway; off track. If we think "Oh, I'll be OK with just the starter pokemon" then that's all we'll get. Where as ALL THE POKEMON, everyone can choose. Think of someone else for a change!

As if the poster has any direct control over which it ends up being...?

OT: Dunno if this is worth buying since I already have Black, but it sounds like it has enough for those who haven't come to the current generation yet.

>Forgetting Mass Effect 3 fiasco

When anon is loud enough...

>Implying that Pokemon isn't digital crack and you must have all the games.

I've decided this game I'm going to EV train... Its gonna hurt so much

Navvan:

Umbreon (Dark[I was super envious, but my leafeon kicks ass]) vs Gardevoir (Psychic[weak to dark])

U:Dark pulse - super effective - G health down to red
G:Double team -evasiveness increased
U:Bite - Miss
G:Double team - Evasiveness increased
U:Quick attack - Miss
G:Psychic (Just to make him think I was a noob)
U:Shadow Ball - Miss
G:THUNDER BOLT - Critical hit - U down to yellow/Paralysed
U:Paralysed, It can't move!
G:Magic leaf - U has fainted
me: I FUCKED YOU SHIT BITCH, OH YEAH, I AM THE POKEMON MASTER MOTHER FUCKER. I'mma lend you my ditto so I can fuck all ya pokemon

There is a poker aspect to the game as well. Rock doesn't beat titanium diamond coated scissors

Sargent Hoofbeat:

arc1991:

Sargent Hoofbeat:

... Who the fack wants a samurott following them around everywhere? gen 5 starters suck dick man.

I want my Gardevoir, Rapidash (Twilight) or Zebrastrika (Zecora) to follow me everywhere

Anything less will incur all of my fan boy rage... and based on the fandoms I'm in I apparantly have a lot

The Gen 5 starters are fine, the weakest design out of them is the Tepig line. And personally, i'd love a Samurott following me, a Sea Lion with swords...what's so wrong about that? ;D

We all know Gen II has the best starting pokemon

Ok, well, I know. I had a Feraligatr, and it was the pokemon game I brainwashed myself on. I named him "Todonumega lord".

Anyway; off track. If we think "Oh, I'll be OK with just the starter pokemon" then that's all we'll get. Where as ALL THE POKEMON, everyone can choose. Think of someone else for a change!

god no, gen 4
of fact that the whole gen was a awesome but broken mess of super powered pokemon almost all of the pokemon in that regieon you could play and do good-to-awesome with with ,and that fact that infernape ended up being insanely powerful, aswell as grass starter in its own right

chozo_hybrid:
I'm glad to see they are starting to make use of the systems graphical capabilities, aside from Stadium etc is this the first main Pokemon game to have 3d graphics in it? I'm curious, I don't play them but I used to, from red up to silver.

Diamond and Pearl had 3D stuff in them, progressively more of it as the games have gone on.

OT: Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay I want now : DD

Sargent Hoofbeat:

arc1991:

Sargent Hoofbeat:
I'll get it, cause god damn, fuck you statistics! You drive me to battle! ...EV and IV *shudder*

But one thing, I want my leading pokemon to follow me around like in heartgold/soulsilver/Yellow

Nintendo; why isn't that a staple of the franchise yet!?!

My Gardevoir should not be confined to a damn pokeball

Neither should my Ponyta

Agreed, even if it is only the starter Pokemon that can follow you, it should be kept that way!

It's one of the main reasons i keep going back to SS.

... Who the fack wants a samurott following them around everywhere? gen 5 starters suck dick man.

I want my Gardevoir, Rapidash (Twilight) or Zebrastrika (Zecora) to follow me everywhere

Anything less will incur all of my fan boy rage... and based on the fandoms I'm in I apparantly have a lot

To be fair pretty much every starter sucks from every gen.

Sargent Hoofbeat:

minuialear:

Sargent Hoofbeat:
Anyway; off track. If we think "Oh, I'll be OK with just the starter pokemon" then that's all we'll get. Where as ALL THE POKEMON, everyone can choose. Think of someone else for a change!

As if the poster has any direct control over which it ends up being...?

OT: Dunno if this is worth buying since I already have Black, but it sounds like it has enough for those who haven't come to the current generation yet.

>Forgetting Mass Effect 3 fiasco

When anon is loud enough...

>Forgetting that it wasn't one poster who directly influenced that, but a multitude of posters protesting that it be done...

minuialear:

Sargent Hoofbeat:

minuialear:

As if the poster has any direct control over which it ends up being...?

OT: Dunno if this is worth buying since I already have Black, but it sounds like it has enough for those who haven't come to the current generation yet.

>Forgetting Mass Effect 3 fiasco

When anon is loud enough...

>Forgetting that it wasn't one poster who directly influenced that, but a multitude of posters protesting that it be done...

>Not realising I'm an insurrectionist

COME MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, FOR OUR POKEMON

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