Movie Defense Force: Waterworld

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As for the girl not knowing how to swim didn't she also not know how to talk?

I was under the impression she didn't know how to swim because she was FROM the land the map was pointing to.

My recollection of the film is hazy at best but I do remember the girl was alluded to have been from land.

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Waterworld was better than anything Emmerich brought out after Stargate. Yes, even Independence day.

This film and Sahara (which totally needs to be done too) are the two biggest balls of fun ever to bomb at the movies. Neither of these films did anything wrong at all.

People tend to forget that Waterworld was only so expensive because the sets kept drifting loose, and the film has long since turned a profit thanks to DVD sales. It's goofy fun, but nowhere near as embarrassing to admit you liked it as much as Independence day. I look at my VHS cover of that jingoistic POS and have to hang my head in shame.

Worgen:
My favorite character in the movie was Kevin Costner's boat, damn that boat was awesome, sucked when it died.

Fellow lover of trimarans!

'Watched the movie as a kid, was hooked by the setting. Yeah, the vile poured upon it was a bit unfair.

i enjoyed it for what it is. naval fallout. just needs a ghoul and a few super mutants :D

i would like to stick my vote in for a film. a movie that won multiple raspberry awards and killed the studio that made it and i love every single moment of it. hudson hawk

Never actually seen it. It always seemed a bit too long and self-important.
As for future recommendations:-
Bonfire of the Vanities
Chain Reaction
Beverly Hills Cop III

Loving this new series Jim. Even if I don't agree with you on a movie, I think it's ballsy of you to make a serirs like this and offer different perspectives on movies that a lot of people don't like.

Also I thought face off was crap.

I never did get the hate this movie gets, good actors (so sue me, I like Costner), interesting premise and cool simple action. It's no masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination, but its a fun watch.

Wait a minute. this movie is actually hated? our loca television considers it a second comming.

Go Jim! I've loved this movie since I was a kid and it's always been in my Top 10 =)
Dennis Hopper really is fantastic in it!

i dint mind the story actually. but the way the movie was executed, was just so bad.

I like this series so far, but I noticed a pattern, that is starting to worry me:

Alien: Yeah, the movie wasn't bad itself, it was just different compared to the other film.

Blair Witch: Yeah, the movie wasn't bad itself, it was just different compared to the Blair Witch franchise.

Waterworld: Yeah, the movie wasn't bad itself, it was just like other movies at its time.

My point is that it does not suffice to claim, that a movie is not as bad as it is held up to be. I would like to be presented with reasons why people thought these movies bad in the first place. I am sure there are tons of reviews out there, that make substancial points about these movies' content, to illustrate how bad they are. In my opinion, it would greatly improve the quality of this show, if you took time to present some of the points people usually raise to illustrate how bad these films are.

At its current state, all you are doing in this show is to present an opinion contrary to the mainstream. Actually I don't even need to watch the videos, but only have to read the title to know their content: "Ah, so Jim thinks Film X isn't that bad. Good to know." Working more with the arguments raised by people against these movies would make the whole thing a lot more meaninful in my view.

Exterminas:
I like this series so far, but I noticed a pattern, that is starting to worry me:

Alien: Yeah, the movie wasn't bad itself, it was just different compared to the other film.

Blair Witch: Yeah, the movie wasn't bad itself, it was just different compared to the Blair Witch franchise.

Waterworld: Yeah, the movie wasn't bad itself, it was just like other movies at its time.

My point is that it does not suffice to claim, that a movie is not as bad as it is held up to be. I would like to be presented with reasons why people thought these movies bad in the first place. I am sure there are tons of reviews out there, that make substancial points about these movies' content, to illustrate how bad they are. In my opinion, it would greatly improve the quality of this show, if you took time to present some of the points people usually raise to illustrate how bad these films are.

At its current state, all you are doing in this show is to present an opinion contrary to the mainstream. Actually I don't even need to watch the videos, but only have to read the title to know their content: "Ah, so Jim thinks Film X isn't that bad. Good to know." Working more with the arguments raised by people against these movies would make the whole thing a lot more meaningful in my view.

I agree with this sentiment. I feel that if Jim had a bigger background in film analysis and criticism then this series would be better. I want something more along the lines of Moviebob's video on Suckerpunch and less "well it's not that bad".

Yes. YES.

I actually sent him a PM about this movie.
:D

My exact PM:

Try going over Waterworld.

While not a great movie obviously, I never understood why it was ranked right up there with Battlefield Earth as one of the worst movies that has ever existed.

I thought it was a fun concept, an interesting idea, and a welcome contrast from the usual apocalyptic scenario.

"Instead of nuclear fire... Let's DROWN THE PLANET!"

Is this because of me? Possibly. (Probably not). It's a legitimate movie that he might have already planned to do. Still, I'm glad he did it. And I'm glad to see all the support it's getting here.
It's an okay movie. Not a great one, just okay.

Strazdas:
Wait a minute. this movie is actually hated? our loca television considers it a second comming.

I've almost never heard anything nice said about this movie. It's often compared to Battlefield Earth for "Worst movie ever spawned"

I think Waterworld if made today would probably be pretty successful especially when compared to some of the real action adventure duds that have been coming out lately. The biggest issue with it was probably that it was too long as is the case with most of Costner's movies and that the budget for its time was enormous and people left the cinema feeling that there should have been more to show for it. Costner's performance also left a lot to be desired as he really didnt have the chops to do action convincingly, though that is not to say that it was bad.

I personally enjoy Waterworld and yes as long as you dont try to disassemble it in your head it is a good romp. It's sinfully indulgent on Costner's part but if you can over look that you will be ok.

Zydrate:
Yes. YES.
I've almost never heard anything nice said about this movie. It's often compared to Battlefield Earth for "Worst movie ever spawned"

You have obviously never seen Barry Bostwick in Megaforce then, not even the travesty that was Super Mario could dethrone that movie LoL

While I found premise ridiculous, I liked the setting and the world
Movie was ok, not perfect or bad but ok
Not to mention "Waterworld" as open world RPG would be awesome (like FO3 on boats)

Dirt as commodity actually makes sense
You need that stuff to grow stuff
and you need stuff to eat anything else than fish and seaweed
(although you could probably make soil out of sun-burnt feces mixed with seaweed)

Well done Jim, well Done! Now pose for you a challenge. Defend Super Mario Bros.

I've never seen this film. When it came out I was sort of over the post-apocalypse thing because it seems like films had ran the concept into the ground. I've never been a big fan of water either so I don't really get the concept of why people love to get on boats. Just to much of a land person so I'd never be a sailor, I guess in the world of Avatar I'd be an earth bender.

I always liked Waterworld for what it was; a cheesy and over-the-top, but utterly distinctive, good laugh.

I always looked at Waterworld the same as the Madd Max films, just a good movie to watch, have fun and enjoy.

Three episodes in and I'm beginning to wonder if you have enough material for this show, Jim. This one was fluffy, really. Basically saying that the movie is not that bad, but the behind-the-scenes stuff and reports of its budget are the reason why it's hated so much. There. I just did the exact same thing in a fraction of the time.

Looking back on the previous episodes, I'm not so sure they had much substance either. It's just Am Not the Series. I suppose if that's what you want, fine. But I find it a bit to lightweight and forgettable, really. It's got me wondering what the point of this series is.

Is the point to argue us out of our opinions on a film we didn't enjoy? I doubt it because that would be stupid. I've been trying to think what the point could be, but I just can't fathom it. Pointing out that some movies are not as bad as common opinion seems to hold it can only last so long.

I wasn't even aware the movie was seriously disliked. Everyone I know rather liked the film, and I for one still do! It was highly enjoyable, and the sets were absolutely gorgeous.

The first time I seen this movie was on the IMAX screen in San Antonio. This movie is perfect for IMAX. I really liked this movie too. The only complaint that was viable for this movie was its budget. Other than that it was a fun movie.

Waterworld was a fairly middling affair. But I think its been pointed out that a lot of its negative press arises from its flopping so hard in theaters. However, don't feel too bad for it. Supposedly it was profitable in the end due to performing extremely well as rental.

This is a defense I can mostly get behind. Waterworld isn't a great film, but it's also not nearly as bad as people claim, and certainly isn't the end of Costner's career. That, my friends, is entirely on the shoulders of The Postman. Which is so bad as to be baffling.

I'm sorry, but every time I see Hopper I think Koopa.

I'm confused as the point of this video. Is it to defend lackluster, average movies against some marginal class of people that hate said movies? I ask because, per the consensus, Waterworld is an average to slightly-below-average film. 46% on Rotten Tomatoes, 5.9 on IMBD, and a 56 on Metacritic. It's pretty much on the review spectrum where a popcorn, 90's-action film would be. Who are you defending this mediocre movie against?

You are also doing a disservice to the films detractors (not haters) by not addressing any of the faults and straight out misrepresenting the movie as "doing nothing wrong." It's overly long, the protagonist is unlikable for the first 90 minutes, the female lead has zero personality other than "protect my daughter, i'll show you my tits if do!," things in the movie make no damn sense (though you did bring up dirt, but you left out the oil should have run out long ago and the cause of Costner's mutation is never adequately explained), and all-in-all, its just an average action movie that reached way too high and had an anti-climatic ending. Most action movies of the 90's didn't hit $150 million domestic in the box office (case in point: True Lies, which came out the year before with a much better action star and female lead and a had far superior director in James Cameron, only earned roughly $146 million) but the studio signed on to make one that cost $175 million (not counting advertising) anyway. Hell, Waterworld made almost $10 million more than the superior and a lot more fun, popcorn-action-flick Demolition Man.

How about you defend bad movies that almost no one likes? You can start with any on this list:
http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom

Ooh, I think I saw that one once...
And I think I liked it.

I dont get the hate for this movie, its one of my favourites and one of the few that i taped as a child to rewatch it to my liking.

Nepenthe87:
Joking aside I always was okay with waterworld. It's not Nearly as boring as the the fucking Postman (even if Postman has better internal logic concerning it's apocalypse).

Oh god. Anything I had to say about how I didn't like Waterworld has vanished upon you reminding me of the atrocity that was Postman. Why would you do this? Why would you mention THAT movie?! Waterworld is the best thing ever compared to Postman!

daxterx2005:
I'm sorry, but every time I see Hopper I think Koopa.

Monkey!

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thirion1850:
Is the Star Wars prequels next? Come on Jim, lets see it. :D

Those movies can't be defended, on the contrary they need to be attacked even harder.

Do4600:

thirion1850:
Is the Star Wars prequels next? Come on Jim, lets see it. :D

Those movies can't be defended, on the contrary they need to be attacked even harder.

I liked 'em. Especially the 3rd. Comeatmebro

thirion1850:

Do4600:

thirion1850:
Is the Star Wars prequels next? Come on Jim, lets see it. :D

Those movies can't be defended, on the contrary they need to be attacked even harder.

I liked 'em. Especially the 3rd. Comeatmebro

My position during the last half of that movie was sitting with my fingers on my eye brows and elbows on my knees looking up every few minutes, grimacing, and then looking back at the floor in front of me, for the last few minutes I was in full double facepalm, it was a worse third movie than The Matrix Revolutions. A rather good analysis of episode 1 and why it failed

I've always liked this movie actually. It's a little hammy at times but overall entertaining. I love that boat too. It's pretty cool.

saintdane05:
Three things I want from this:

1. Indiana Jones 4
2. Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves
3. Cars and Cars 2.

Technically that's 4 things.

#1 I actually watched over the weekend, wow it's awful. I don't know if even Jim can find good things to say about it. I wish him luck if he does.

#2 was received moderately well when it came out, did very well in the box office (#2 behind Terminator 2) and got a lot of awards and nominations. Sure some people hated it but I don't think it fell into the same 'bad rep' as Waterworld.

#3 I haven't seen either of the Cars movies so I couldn't comment on them.

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