Zero Punctuation: XBLA Double Bill

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I think this review can be summarized in 19 sarcastic words...

Yes, because we all know "Sonic The Hedgehog" for the 360 kicked "Sonic The Hedgehog" for the Genesis' ass.

No even Yahtzee knows that particular "game" sucked ass. I think he called it "Sonic Now Loading" or "Sonic vs. the Camera".
His point is old games are bad compared to nowadays games. This is very true, however some game developers it seems continue to love making old mistakes over and over again in newer "games".

i thought yahtzee migh review warhammer online because its all over the site. It will be eve online all over again...

Stelman257:
No even Yahtzee knows that particular "game" sucked ass. I think he called it "Sonic Now Loading" or "Sonic vs. the Camera".
His point is old games are bad compared to nowadays games. This is very true, however some game developers it seems continue to love making old mistakes over and over again in newer "games".

I think he knows that and knows what Yahtzee means so I think he disagrees with Yahtzee and use that as his own example of mockingly interpertating Yahtzee's comments. I wouldn't say it's "true" that old games don't compare to today's standards of games because they're very different to many modern games. Like I said before each has their ups and downs, the old-school games have thier own simplicity and the new-school have their own depth. Which is better depends on one's perspective. However there are some old-school games that truly haven't aged well, like Metroid and Altered Beast for example....I'm just kidding Altered Beast always sucked.

Also, I'm not attacking you or trying to put up a arguement just talking and somewhat debating.

Bionic Commando brings that back to the group of gamers who enjoy that sort of thing, aka, thought.

I enjoy thought but I'd prefer it to be thoughts on how to kill x. Taking into account my level of skill, what abilities I have, how good I am at them, which skills hurt the enemy, which combos are good......you get the picture

bad choice for a ZP, couldn't do force unleashed? Really that one is ripe for this as it's sold more than any other SW game and yet just apes God of War *take all the offense you want, I'm right*

It doesn't just ape (assuming ape means copy) god of war, although it is more like god of war than any other beloved popular game. Besides, even if it is just like god of war, any game that has combat like god of war without puzzles definitely deserves a lot of sales.

Ape means copying, yes, like an ape just copies people (yahtzee used it in this review) and I've played some of the force unleashed (but I haven't bought it so I can't speak for the entire game but from what I hear it doesn't change much but the enemies get bigger (same with GOW).

It's less than GOW however for many reasons (hence a ZP is needed) and before anyone says it I'm aware GOW is a copy of Devil May Cry. However, GOW did enough things differently from DMC to not damn itself too greatly, and GOW did a better job at catering to the less hardcore players, at most basic, GOW is DMC for the less dexterous gamer. Force Unleashed takes a page from GOW and then expands that page into a 400 page novel inserting random
George Lucas farts.

And I'll grant permission right now for Yahtzee to use that line.

I don't have time to read this whole thread and I'm sure this has been discussed already, but Twilight Princess is NOT better than Ocarina of Time. OoT is one game that almost everyone can agree is great and is almost deserving of its reputation. Unlike GTA, Halo, and other "it" games, OoT has survived the test of time and is widely considered better than its sequels even in the subsequent ten years. Saying that opinion is invalid just because the game is old (and really, ten years is hardly enough to be considered "retro") and blindly labelling people who like it better "nostalgic" perpetuates the retarded mentality among gamers that I thought Yahtzee opposed.

And what "new" innovations granted to us from our space-age technology does Twilight Princess add to the Zelda formula? Voice acting? Non-linear gameplay? Dialog options beyond "yes" and "no"? I thought so.

Of course he was probably just fanboy baiting and if so, mission accomplished. Cunt.

thebrink:
And I'll grant permission right now for Yahtzee to use that line.

Yes, because Yahtzee actually reads these posts and gives a shit what you want him to say lol

Lan_Di:
I don't have time to read this whole thread and I'm sure this has been discussed already, but Twilight Princess is NOT better than Ocarina of Time. OoT is one game that almost everyone can agree is great and is almost deserving of its reputation. Unlike GTA, Halo, and other "it" games, OoT has survived the test of time and is widely considered better than its sequels even in the subsequent ten years. Saying that opinion is invalid just because the game is old (and really, ten years is hardly enough to be considered "retro") and blindly labelling people who like it better "nostalgic" perpetuates the retarded mentality among gamers that I thought Yahtzee opposed.

And what "new" innovations granted to us from our space-age technology does Twilight Princess add to the Zelda formula? Voice acting? Non-linear gameplay? Dialog options beyond "yes" and "no"? I thought so.

Of course he was probably just fanboy baiting and if so, mission accomplished. Cunt.

Your calling Yahtzee a cunt and a fanboy? That's surely not a great way to oppose Yahtzee's views.

If zero punctuation ever dies out, it will not be because of lack of material, it will be because of a shift in audiance. The show features a phenominal amount of sacrasm, some of it explained and some of it not, when enough of the audience becomes the type of people that find his profanity or cussing jokes funnier than his sarcasm and parodies, he'll be in trouble.

What piqued my interest in this video was Yahtzee's comparison between OOT/Twilight Princess and Mario 64/Sunshine. Maybe by favoring the most recent editions of each franchise he was trying to piss of gamer fanatics the world over, but what's really frustrating is his decision not to elaborate on these preferences. I'd like to see Yahtzee review the vitality of the gaming industry by focusing on how specific franchises (e.g. Zelda, Mario, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, etc.) have evolved or devolved over the years. Obviously the guy's pants-on-head retarded to favor OOT over TP (even Majora's Mask beats the heck out of any Game Cube Zelda game), but he may be on to something with putting nostalgia in perspective.

antronach:
If zero punctuation ever dies out, it will not be because of lack of material, it will be because of a shift in audiance. The show features a phenominal amount of sacrasm, some of it explained and some of it not, when enough of the audience becomes the type of people that find his profanity or cussing jokes funnier than his sarcasm and parodies, he'll be in trouble.

Or when enough people get seriously pissed off at him, like for his Brawl review or this one. I know I'm quite ticked off at him after this one. Not that it's going to stop me from watching his reviews.

*clap clap* OI!
Where's the new vid? :<

no new ZP
DA WORLD HAS ENDED !.!
or my interwebs are brokes

mg66368:
Your calling Yahtzee a cunt and a fanboy? That's surely not a great way to oppose Yahtzee's views.

I didn't call Yahtzee a fanboy, I accused him of "fanboy baiting" which means that he was saying Twilight Priness was better than Ocarina of Time not because he actually thinks that, but just for the sake of pissing off fanboys (and thus gaining noteriety which he's quickly loosing by dishing out essentially the same reviews as 1up.com).

The irony is that Yahtzee has never been a champion for the "hardcore" gamer and certainly not Nintendo fans, but saying TP is better than OoT is just that: a fanboy opinion. Only the people who claim to have played "every Zelda game" get technical about whether they think A Link to the Past or Majora's Mask was the peak of the franchise. Simply put, the overwhelming majority of people think OoT is not only the best Zelda game, but one of the best games ever made. It's like those mutants who think FF8 was better than FF7.

So basically, if he was being sarcastic then it was pointless because it only served to piss people off and upset the status quo, furthermore it went against the entire point of his "review" therefore making him a cunt. If he was being serious then he is wrong and to a degree which is perplexingly annoying. Twilight Princess is NOT better than Ocarina of Time, especially if you apply the logic that Yahtzee was using in his review (that games should update their formulas with technology), once again making him a cunt.

I didn't call Yahtzee a fanboy, I accused him of "fanboy baiting" which means that he was saying Twilight Priness was better than Ocarina of Time not because he actually thinks that, but just for the sake of pissing off fanboys (and thus gaining noteriety which he's quickly loosing by dishing out essentially the same reviews as 1up.com).

Pissing off fanboys is a good thing.

but saying TP is better than OoT is just that: a fanboy opinion.

Since when?

Only the people who claim to have played "every Zelda game" get technical about whether they think A Link to the Past or Majora's Mask was the peak of the franchise.

And playing every game in the franchise makes you a fanboy?

Simply put, the overwhelming majority of people think OoT is not only the best Zelda game, but one of the best games ever made.

the overwhelming majority is normally retarded.

It's like those mutants who think FF8 was better than FF7.

Those were two games released for the same console with similar graphics and most likely mechanics (the only one I've played is X so I wouldn't know for sure). OOT and TP are 2 consoles in between and OOT uses a wii mote.....although for me the wii mote sucks.

i love that how during the whole video you were being sarcastic, except that nostalgia makes us say stupid things

yourkie1921:
Pissing off fanboys is a good thing.

Yes, that's true. But pissing off fanboys just for the sake of pissing them off, even if it contradicts your own opinion, is not. This is because a critic has to have something called "integrity" so that no matter what game he's reviewing, he will not be persuaded by outside influences. Yahtzee's opinion should be genuine and even if he's reviewing against the norm (ie: his brilliant Bioshock review) his opinion should be his own and supported, not something tacked on at the end to make his video more popular out of sheer outrage.

And playing every game in the franchise makes you a fanboy?

Generally speaking, if you've played everygame in a franchise (Zelda has something like 12 games) and you (obviously) like that franchise, yes, you are a fanboy.

the overwhelming majority is normally retarded.

Again, generally speaking, that's true. But there are plenty of "smart" gamers who consider certain "mainstream" games to be excellent: OoT is a great example of this. FF7 is another example. Just because you've played a lot of games doesn't mean you can't share an opinion or two with the retarded overwhelming majority.

Those were two games released for the same console with similar graphics and most likely mechanics (the only one I've played is X so I wouldn't know for sure). OOT and TP are 2 consoles in between and OOT uses a wii mote.....although for me the wii mote sucks.

I'll grant you that TP looks a lot better than OoT, but play mechanics? Have you ever played a Zelda game? They all play almost exactly the same. Most people consider OoT the one that "perfected" the formula and is undoubtedly the one that all subsequent games in the franchise are trying to copy. And as for the FF series, X plays almost exactly the same as 9,8, and 7 (and 6, and 4...). Also, it's important to remember that TP is a Gamecube game first, it was only ported to the Wii to help it sell more.

mensaap:
well yathzee u obviously haven't played fallout

cause that game still beats every other game anytime, that's made in this day and age! (except maybe team fortress 2)

Ohh So true, ive had hours/days/weeks of my life sucked up by them although tactics seemed to be missing something. Cant wait for 3 although itll be a consule game so no chance of it coming close to the old games. Mainly i suspect cos they ditched the story line and seem o be trying for more of a Remake/Oblivion.

This episode was okay, horrendously misleading like most of your other reviews but not particularly funny unlike most of the other reviews.

And I resent what you said about new games always being better than old games because of cutting-edge technology used to power games like those on the PS3 or 360. That was exactly like saying that Cloverfield is far better than the original King Kong because Cloverfield has $100 billion special FX and a generic monster that looks like a rejected character model for "Resistance: Fall of Man" in it and King Kong was in black and white and was not shot with a trendy hand-camera technique that made you carsick.

Yes, that's true. But pissing off fanboys just for the sake of pissing them off, even if it contradicts your own opinion, is not.

Fine.

Generally speaking, if you've played everygame in a franchise (Zelda has something like 12 games) and you (obviously) like that franchise, yes, you are a fanboy.

a fanboy is obsessive. playing 12 games doesn't make you obsessive. Especially since yahtzee only admitted playing two games

I'll grant you that TP looks a lot better than OoT, but play mechanics? Have you ever played a Zelda game?

I didn't mean to give the impression that they have different play mechanics. and I've only played one zelda game and then decided I hated it.

The retro games arnt as good anymore because we are all used to better games, but at the time they were awsome, the exception being populous: the begining which is still awsome

Oh dear, you really think mario sunshine is better than mario 64. Im surprised, the whole fludd pack made pretty much the entire concept of mario as a platformer redundant and every boss just involves cleaning gunk off them...not to mention the fact every level is as uninspired as the last and that some of the shines are as logical to find as solving some of the early resident evil puzzles (remember that bull shit one involving yoshi and a pineapple fruit from memory that you spat out or something to create a moving floating platform?). You couldn't be more wrong.

And yes bionic commandos controls should have been redesigned for sure, 1. so you didnt have to be stationary to shoot diagonally forward...i.e. so you can run and then swing forward simply by pressing b and 2) so the controls were consistent both on the ground and in the air. I think the following would have worked a lot better:

(While on the ground and in the air)
left/right and b - shoot diagonally up
up and b - shoot up
stationary and b - shoot forward

Yahtzee,

It's a shame you never got to play Ocarina of Time, or Mario 64, when they were first released.

Best,

Zootroy

I've played other games Yahtzee has reviewed like brawl and can lol at the truth in those, but there wasn't much this time around to laugh at. Hell some of the jokes like being stuck on the ceiling with the claw just reeks of "I don't know what the hell I'm doing", thankfully some of these reply comments are the saving grace!

Blazsy:
Awesome video, I like Castle Crashers and a very fun game when you play it with 4 people. It's not trying to "ape" Golden axe, they have based there game from Alien homnid

I really hope you're not serious... look up an interview with the benemoth about their inspiration behind the game then maybe just maybe you'll realize how stupid that comment was.

now this is absolutely hilarious! and every single fact that was said about the lives system was completely right!!!

Yahtzee are wrong, Boinic Comando did exist on the C64, he claimed that he had one growing up and the game were quite popular so I find it strange that he didnīt know this. In any case Bionic C. were great (for itīs time) on the C64 but more so was the music. I suggest downloading the high voltage SID collection and listen to it. The tunes really take advantage of the SID chip and are some of the best on the system, as far as game music goes that is.

//Fredde

As ever, pure un-adulterated Yahtzee brilliance.

Look looky

Yahtzee and the Escapist show their colors

http://www.purepwnage.com/

http://forums.purepwnage.com/index.php?showtopic=81964

lmao funny funny man :P

ill admit that it is hard to hit enemys at first but once you get the hang of it and go 2 pixels lower than you think you should you can really start to play castle crashers. BTW for anybody finishing up the game HEAL BEFORE YOU OPEN THE CHEST!

the question is, he was right about What?

Somehow I think I must be missing something. With all of the arguing on this thread I fear if I post something that contradicts someone else my head will be bitten off and chewed into tiny, Lucky Charms sized bits.

Moving on, Yahtzee's point is free to interpretation. I don't think anyone can be standing here claiming they know how Yahtzee's mind works and explaining how everything anyone else is saying is wrong.

The point of any critic's review is not to blindly accept what they say as correct, but to take their view of the game with a grain of salt. Just because Yahtzee is an incredibly funny critic of games that most people in this thread probably look up to in some form doesn't mean you have to agree with him in thinking Super Mario Sunshine was better than Super Mario 64.

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wow yahtzee this is the first time i have disagreed with you. I hated twilight princess maybe its because i grew up with StarFox64 and Poke Picture or whatever that game was called and LOZ-OOT and i love all those old games. I have beaten LOZ-OOT like 3 times and Majoras mask like 2 times and its safe to say i will never play them again but hell they were fun! so dont critisize something you barely understand if you were playing LOZ-OOT back when the 64 was still doing good you would know what i mean!

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