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JonnWood:
I sense incoming Killzone 2 fanboy flames. Hit the deck!

*Throws grenade that makes an obnoxiously loud beep and has no safety lever.*

Space Nazi technology away!

Treblaine:
the pics I used were definitely right from the final release, just follow back the URL

Really? Then how come the seriously bad screenshot has the same lighting as the preview code & dates back to July last year? Oh yeah because it was a beta shot (look at the added date):
http://www.eurogamer.net/gallery.php?game_id=4690&article_id=79292

Within reading the first 20 pages of Watchmen graphic novel (3% of the book) I knew it would be fantastic.

Thanks for proving you don't know what you're on about. Your saying the first 5 minutes of something means the rest of it will be great. Well, when did that become scientific fact? It's not, and media such as the film "Vantage Point" show how you are very, very wrong.

Also, those "Gameplay screen-shots" you chose are known as "bull-shots" they are not taken from normal gameplay but carefully framed, "tweaked" gameplay assets and with many many after effects that you will never see or appreciate if you actually play the game.

It's a console game. Obviously it's going to be akward to get direct screenshots, hence if you look online, there are very, very few of them. If I really wanted to give you a bullshot I'd have given you:
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Also, LMAO that you criticise UT3 for "Vomiting bloom" and the Bullshots you gave for KZ2 were literally glowing with bloom, blur and lens flare.

One had blur yes, but it was to show out your beta shot as the model for the men was dated. And glowing with bloom, that's one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard about Killzone 2, and I've even had a guy tell me it was made in the USA.

Oh, on the weak ass close combat, I would have to ask if YOU have even played the multiplayer? Just fast forward to 0:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJNepBrDhR0

Well done for finding a guy that is lagging.
Play the multiplayer and then tell me it takes all that to take down a normal guy.

A closer example, I have only played the Battlefield: Bad Company demo yet I think I can make the decision that the multiplayer is mediocre and not worth my time or money because I am not a child who needs to have decisions made for me by some greater authority. I have seen the game play footage and read all the details of Killzone 2's Multiplayer and I am about as excited about that as I am about playing Wii Carnival Games. Another game that I haven't played but know enough about not to touch it with a 20 foot pole.

The difference is wii-shovel wear gets bad/mediocre reviews. Don't complain about or try to compare a game you haven't played as all you are doing is speculating at best, or more realistically, just being ignorant.

A final note on realism, take a look at these videos that will educate you on how "realistic" Killzone 2's weapons actually are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGGtlqwFFtE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4weIh3Mc6kU

Do you see his gun lurching around all over the place? No, because assault rifles are by their DESIGN supposed to be controllable and accurate when firing at full auto at extended ranges. Also, hyper-realism and space marines in the far future is a stupid mix.

Thanks for proving K2 to be realistic. Do the guns lurch all over the place? No. Can you have controllable accuracy when firing in full auto bursts? Yes. Hyper-realism and "space marines" in the future is a stupid mix? Oh yeah, because in the future (it's not even set on Earth) we will never colonise different planets. As for their looks, they hardly look like far-fetched space marines (much more similar to the realistic look of Aliens), so I don't know what your trying to say is unrealistic about them.

You know, I would buy one of those asinine X360 controller keyboards if Typing of the Dead were re-released for the 360. So awesome.

quickpaw:

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:
Well that was blatantly yet another anti Nintendo rant. God Yahtzee is such a fanboy.

Edit: Well I've clearly kicked a wasps nest here.

I think he just doesn't like Nintendo, if every time somebody doesn't like something we call them a fanboy then what does the word mean?

I have no problem with him disliking Nintendo, what annoys me is the fact that every single chance he gets he insults Nintendo while complimenting the other two consoles. It happens consistently throughout his videos.

I'm quite sure he only does in in videos related to Nintendo in some way.

I'm quite sure that it happens in videos completly unrelated to Nintendo.

Even if he does theat doesn't make him a fanboy, hell I'm starting to think you may be.

It's always disappointing to see people come in here so serious, like as if Yahtzee walked into their kitchen and kicked their dog. You really need to go back and watch his video response to the. . what was it. . zelda whiplash? I can't remember.

Anyway, as always, I found the review amusing, liberating, and insightful.

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:
Well that was blatantly yet another anti Nintendo rant. God Yahtzee is such a fanboy.

Edit: Well I've clearly kicked a wasps nest here.

I think he just doesn't like Nintendo, if every time somebody doesn't like something we call them a fanboy then what does the word mean?

I have no problem with him disliking Nintendo, what annoys me is the fact that every single chance he gets he insults Nintendo while complimenting the other two consoles. It happens consistently throughout his videos.

I'm quite sure he only does in in videos related to Nintendo in some way.

I'm quite sure that it happens in videos completly unrelated to Nintendo.

Even if he does theat doesn't make him a fanboy, hell I'm starting to think you may be.

Interesting that you say that. They probably are. A fanboy is more likely to be bothered by another person's opinion. Yahtzee is simply sharing his opinion in usually humorous ways but then here comes the Knight-in-shining-armor brigade to defend Nintendo's chivalry.

I assure you, no matter what Yahtzee says, you'll more than likely enjoy it like you always do. If you enjoy it. Who knows. Maybe you're just lying to yourself and these attempts to defend it are simply continued efforts in self-deceit. Just something to think about.

But yes. I am also disappointed that there will not be a Killzone 2 review. I am almost curious to see what he'd have to say. But I suppose Gears of WWII 2 sums it up.

I understand your point of earlier iterations in the House of the Dead saga having a delicious edge of self parody throughout the series, but I believe it's a similar case with Killzone. I'm in no way condoning it's monotonous gameplay and pretentious attitude, but It seems to be safe in the knowledge that it is violent. And it's not trying to be anything else, I personally don't like the game however but it's nice to see a self-affirmed mainstream game on the market. Most prefer to pretend they're seeping with innovation and ready to burst at the seems.

Great review as always.

Mazty:

Really? Then how come the seriously bad screenshot has the same lighting as the preview code & dates back to July last year? Oh yeah because it was a beta shot (look at the added date):
http://www.eurogamer.net/gallery.php?game_id=4690&article_id=79292

Thanks for proving you don't know what you're on about. Your saying the first 5 minutes of something means the rest of it will be great. Well, when did that become scientific fact? It's not, and media such as the film "Vantage Point" show how you are very, very wrong.

Oh, on the weak ass close combat, I would have to ask if YOU have even played the multiplayer? Just fast forward to 0:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJNepBrDhR0

Well done for finding a guy that is lagging. Play the multiplayer and then tell me it takes all that to take down a normal guy.

Thanks for proving K2 to be realistic. Do the guns lurch all over the place? No. Can you have controllable accuracy when firing in full auto bursts? Yes. Hyper-realism and "space marines" in the future is a stupid mix? Oh yeah, because in the future (it's not even set on Earth) we will never colonise different planets. As for their looks, they hardly look like far-fetched space marines (much more similar to the realistic look of Aliens), so I don't know what your trying to say is unrealistic about them.

Well the pics I found looked almost exactly like the demo I played and there are hardly any differences in graphics between the Beta and final build:
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Seems to be just some deeper shadows but more blurry textures.

But if you insist, all these KZ2 pics come from here ( http://www.eurogamer.pt/gallery.php?game_id=4690&article_id=412536 ) and are verifiability from the final build and from live gameplay.

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As you can see, KZ2 is still not all it is cracked up to be in the graphics department with 2007 games competing in quality.

I stand by my opinion on the controls, they ruin any enjoyment in the gameplay and it is not realistic, the video I showed asserted as much that an assault rifle is supposed to be controllable under full auto fire yet in KZ2 it is virtually uncontrollable in full auto only able to hit a target from 10-20 feet. The single weapon loadout is ridiculous too, I mean it is two, 2, II, duo, double, that's it, the number between 1 and 3, that is the magic number of weapons to carry in a game or at least the absolute minimum, not limited to a single primary weapon and a crappy revolver as a permanent back up.

I also stand by my comment on the weak close combat, the mild melee attack makes another appearance at 2:25 in the video I linked to, it is most definitely not lagging that would cause a hit response (notice the different audio of a contacting strike) yet no loss in health. Quite simply it is lame compared to other multiplayer games.

And I have heard that the demo is very representative of the rest of the game, common criticisms are how repetitive it is, in the environments and enemies.

But in a way you are right, you cannot tell if a game or book is going to be GOOD just from what you see at the beginning... but you can certainly tell if it is going to be BAD as in my Da Vinci Code example that you so conveniently chose to ignore.

The demo sucks, the developers had one chance to show off the game and give me a reason to get it and it showed nothing of any interest but tired old gaming cliches and over-hyped graphics.

I would suggest you play games like UT3, TF2, COD4/WAW and Quake Wars: ET for the many and varied layers of gameplay before you go on and on about how superior and amazing Killzone 2 is. I mean even mediocre crap like Halo 3 had a multiplayer that mixed things up with loads of different vehicles, gravity lifts and interesting weapons like movable turrets, sticky grenades, and that big-hammer-thing. Then there is the replay camera, why doesn't every game have that?

Amisbro:
Maybe its just me, but the reviews have gotten less and less funny and when I have to read the blurbs at the end of his reviews to get a chuckle then you know your time is almost up but maybe that's just me

just you...

loved it.the review

no body is forcing anyone to watch this or take his OPINION seriously.

man the fanboys came out the woodworks on this one.

Treblaine:

Well the pics I found looked almost exactly like the demo I played and there are hardly any differences in graphics between the Beta and final build:

As you can see, KZ2 is still not all it is cracked up to be in the graphics department with 2007 games competing in quality.

Not really. Look at the pictures. The textures in UT3 and surfaces are very flat and lack any detail, which is hidden under masses of bloom and particle effects. Even the Crysis devs addmited that the main trick with graphics is just have clever lighting. Killzone delivers with great textures and 3D models, and a clever ass lighting system as well, which doesn't puke bloom.

I stand by my opinion on the controls, they ruin any enjoyment in the gameplay and it is not realistic, the video I showed asserted as much that an assault rifle is supposed to be controllable under full auto fire yet in KZ2 it is virtually uncontrollable in full auto only able to hit a target from 10-20 feet. The single weapon loadout is ridiculous too, I mean it is two, 2, II, duo, double, that's it, the number between 1 and 3, that is the magic number of weapons to carry in a game or at least the absolute minimum, not limited to a single primary weapon and a crappy revolver as a permanent back up.

Well that's your opinion, and many more people find the controls fine to use. I can headshot a guy past 100m away on full auto, so don't know how your claiming to not be able to use the rifle past 20 feet. Again, play the full game and there will be times where the ISA rifle range is more then adequate.
A one weapon system works fine, your a normal grunt, not a moving weapon cache. Another emphasis on realism, and the unlimited ammo due to a last resort. Better that then a Saint's Row 2 Voodoo boss fight where if you run out of ammo you have to manually restart the game.

I also stand by my comment on the weak close combat, the mild melee attack makes another appearance at 2:25 in the video I linked to, it is most definitely not lagging that would cause a hit response (notice the different audio of a contacting strike) yet no loss in health. Quite simply it is lame compared to other multiplayer games.

Must be a laggy game. Just play Killzone 2 and you'll realise half of your complaints aren't valid, plus the guy is very sporadic in his movement, so was most likely missing. Just play the game, all I can say.

And I have heard that the demo is very representative of the rest of the game, common criticisms are how repetitive it is, in the environments and enemies.

Realism. Last time I checked the nazis were not all trying to outdress one another. And the game is set on Helghan, not Halo's multi-enviromental ring/good excuse for varying environments.

But in a way you are right, you cannot tell if a game or book is going to be GOOD just from what you see at the beginning... but you can certainly tell if it is going to be BAD as in my Da Vinci Code example that you so conveniently chose to ignore.

I only ignored directly mentioning it because I though I woudln't have to. It's a form of entertainment and you still can't have a good opinion on a book by reading very little of it.

The demo sucks, the developers had one chance to show off the game and give me a reason to get it and it showed nothing of any interest but tired old gaming cliches and over-hyped graphics.

Here's a question: What do you want from an FPS then? Killzone 2 takes what there is and polishes it to an eye blindingly near-perfect gleam. Most reviews criticised it for not revolutionisng the genre, but how on earth could they? Unless they redesigned how we interact with games, it's not going to get much better than this.
Plus try a HDTV, makes a big difference.

I would suggest you play games like UT3, TF2, COD4/WAW and Quake Wars: ET for the many and varied layers of gameplay before you go on and on about how superior and amazing Killzone 2 is. I mean even mediocre crap like Halo 3 had a multiplayer that mixed things up with loads of different vehicles, gravity lifts and interesting weapons like movable turrets, sticky grenades, and that big-hammer-thing. Then there is the replay camera, why doesn't every game have that?

Played TF2, CoD4/WaW and QW: ET. They all have their pros and cons, but are nothing special. If you like CoD4, you should love K2 as it is very similar, but much more atmosphere, much better graphics and the like.
And CoD:WaW is dire. Boring, unmemorable, rediculosly easy & utterly broken (more kills for the person in first? Better guns for them? Have a fun time newbs). K2 outshines it in everyway.
It sounds like you don't like K2 because you prefer run & gun games. That's fair enough, but doesn't make K2 a bad game - just a game not to your liking.

Well as to what I expect from Killzone 2, it gets off its high horse and stop acting like it is the second coming of christ, it is an average shooter at best.

A single weapon IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT realistic, a perfect example is wielding an anti-tank rocket launcher, even the lowest grunt would always be expected to have his rifle with him and not expected to run into the fold without a proper weapon to defend themself:

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And how the hell is it realistic to issue a 6 shot revolver as a back up weapon anyway? They should have a 15-20 shot automatic pistols, no army has issued a revolver since the First World War, magnum or not it is a ridiculous weapon to issue to front line troops. Actually a far better weapons would be this that was made specifically for this scenario:

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MP7 is similar weight and length as a magnum revolver used in the game, only far far more effective.

Also, Sev is not a "regular grunt" as it is quite clear he does not stick close with his platoon and rarely even stays with his 4 man squad, often it is him fighting alone, he can't say "Cover me While I go and Look for a Rocket Launcher then Get into Position to Shoot It!!!!" he has to take the initiative himself and have both weapons. He is ordered to go on extraordinary missions with very little support, if that isn't special forces, he is at least some sort of commando trooper.

Also, what is with the no under-barrel grenade launcher, it is practically standard issue in modern armies now and was even in Killzone 1, wtf happened? There are also pump action under barrel shotguns for assault rifles now, is there a new wave of minimalism taken over armies of the future or is the ISA just run by a bunch of cheap bastards?

It is also common for a sniper, especially a lone sniper, to carry a secondary weapon like a submachine gun for close in self defence. Take Simo Häyhä, A Finnish war Hero who killed over 700 invading soviet troops in only 100 days, over 200 of those killed were by his submachine gun. He also got shot in the head yet still had the presence of mind to shoot his attacker before slipping into a coma. Yes, he did all this without regenerating health or save checkpoints, history's bona fide badass.

So you ask what I want in a video game? There is the phrase "less is more" but sometimes less is quite simply less, GG removed and reduced FAR too much from the regular formula and polished it in all the wrong places. Halo was a revolution as it got rid of all the clutter of having 10-20 weapons, purifying it by forcing you to try and get two weapons to complement each other, learn how to use them in combination. COD and many other games would follow but with only one weapon as in KZ2, there is no synergy, there is no mixing and matching like shotgun up close then rifle for a long shot, you just stick to the most vanilla weapon in the game and never put it down, ie the M82.

GG seems to entirely miss the point of what makes shooters enjoyable and brings nothing new to the table.

nice review to bad we will not get to see killzone 2

Loved the bit about Kill zone 2.

I kept meaning to register, and, thanks to the Glasgwegian Heroin comment, i have.

Heroin? Accurate

Middle Schools? Nope, don't have them here, Primary, and Secondary... that's your lot

Please be more thorough when ripping on Glasgow, it really is easy enough if you try :D

I'm surprised about how he didn't talk about the zombie "reproduceing" last boss XD.

I have to disagree about Killzone 2. At first when I played it I had to admit it was far from enjoyable due to the controls and the change in weaponry but after a while it's grown on me. Oddly enough in the review it seems the mention of Killzone 2, was pretty much just tacked on to make it seem like a versus.

You know, my eyes usually gloss over when the comparitive screen shots are pulled out. I really can't tell the difference between which one has a higher resolution or which has more polys. Maybe it's because things start to get fuzzy beyond 30cm of my face without my glasses, but the only thing I notice when you get over 1024x768 is that the text gets too bloody small.

Honestly, art and design are far more important to me than resolution, and in that respect both Killzone 2 and Crysis look pretty bland to me.

actually i could see the difference in those comparison pics, and crysis isnt bland??? go to specsavers, they have really good deals on or maybe even this could help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cnlz56pKlg,

And yeh that gears of world war 2 things is right, but it still makes a good game, even if there is way to much not needed swearing, and really big character cliches, thats wat killzone is. Even the name is corny (or is it cheezy, cant remember the difference)

Maybe if someone mixed all the games in the world u wood end up with a sweaty hand connected to a horny teenage geek.

Now I want to play Overkill. -.-

Major Tom:
You know, my eyes usually gloss over when the comparitive screen shots are pulled out. I really can't tell the difference between which one has a higher resolution or which has more polys. Maybe it's because things start to get fuzzy beyond 30cm of my face without my glasses, but the only thing I notice when you get over 1024x768 is that the text gets too bloody small.

Honestly, art and design are far more important to me than resolution, and in that respect both Killzone 2 and Crysis look pretty bland to me.

Well Crysis has a lot of things going for it other than graphics:
-open world interaction such as setting up as well as escaping from ambushes
-the Nano Suit with on the fly stat switching with Armour, Speed, Cloak and most fun... Strength, toss and punch things all over the map
-varied enemies (I don't think the aliens are a secret any more)
-Amazing physics engine
-Real time Map editor
-Active and vibrant mod community
-Aggressive and realistic AI
-You can carry more than one weapon at once

KZ2 has... err, a cover system?

A pretty good review. I remember playing HotD3 in a seaside arcade and finding the hardest part of it having to insert 50p every time I wanted to keep playing :P

I'm a PS3 owner, and having played Killzone 2, I don't really care about it. I seriously don't get all the praise FPS games get - they're all basically ripping off each other and occasionally inserting a stupid, game-unbalancing gimmick (coughHaze).

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:

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quickpaw:
Well that was blatantly yet another anti Nintendo rant. God Yahtzee is such a fanboy.

Edit: Well I've clearly kicked a wasps nest here.

I think he just doesn't like Nintendo, if every time somebody doesn't like something we call them a fanboy then what does the word mean?

I have no problem with him disliking Nintendo, what annoys me is the fact that every single chance he gets he insults Nintendo while complimenting the other two consoles. It happens consistently throughout his videos.

I'm quite sure he only does in in videos related to Nintendo in some way.

I'm quite sure that it happens in videos completly unrelated to Nintendo.

Even if he does theat doesn't make him a fanboy, hell I'm starting to think you may be.

To the extent he does it yes it does make him a fanboy. Oh and nice and mature, instead of arguing with me you've just resorted to mud slinging.

Autocracy:

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:
Well that was blatantly yet another anti Nintendo rant. God Yahtzee is such a fanboy.

Edit: Well I've clearly kicked a wasps nest here.

I think he just doesn't like Nintendo, if every time somebody doesn't like something we call them a fanboy then what does the word mean?

I have no problem with him disliking Nintendo, what annoys me is the fact that every single chance he gets he insults Nintendo while complimenting the other two consoles. It happens consistently throughout his videos.

I'm quite sure he only does in in videos related to Nintendo in some way.

I'm quite sure that it happens in videos completly unrelated to Nintendo.

Even if he does theat doesn't make him a fanboy, hell I'm starting to think you may be.

Interesting that you say that. They probably are. A fanboy is more likely to be bothered by another person's opinion. Yahtzee is simply sharing his opinion in usually humorous ways but then here comes the Knight-in-shining-armor brigade to defend Nintendo's chivalry.

I assure you, no matter what Yahtzee says, you'll more than likely enjoy it like you always do. If you enjoy it. Who knows. Maybe you're just lying to yourself and these attempts to defend it are simply continued efforts in self-deceit. Just something to think about.

But yes. I am also disappointed that there will not be a Killzone 2 review. I am almost curious to see what he'd have to say. But I suppose Gears of WWII 2 sums it up.

*Sigh* As usual when nintendo is defended on these forums the Yahtzee trolls refert to mudslinging. It's truely pathetic of them.

Lol, what's up with Yahtzee and nipples? XD

Treblaine:
Well as to what I expect from Killzone 2, it gets off its high horse and stop acting like it is the second coming of christ, it is an average shooter at best.

A single weapon IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT realistic, a perfect example is wielding an anti-tank rocket launcher, even the lowest grunt would always be expected to have his rifle with him and not expected to run into the fold without a proper weapon to defend themself:

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And how the hell is it realistic to issue a 6 shot revolver as a back up weapon anyway? They should have a 15-20 shot automatic pistols, no army has issued a revolver since the First World War, magnum or not it is a ridiculous weapon to issue to front line troops. Actually a far better weapons would be this that was made specifically for this scenario:

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MP7 is similar weight and length as a magnum revolver used in the game, only far far more effective.

Also, Sev is not a "regular grunt" as it is quite clear he does not stick close with his platoon and rarely even stays with his 4 man squad, often it is him fighting alone, he can't say "Cover me While I go and Look for a Rocket Launcher then Get into Position to Shoot It!!!!" he has to take the initiative himself and have both weapons. He is ordered to go on extraordinary missions with very little support, if that isn't special forces, he is at least some sort of commando trooper.

Also, what is with the no under-barrel grenade launcher, it is practically standard issue in modern armies now and was even in Killzone 1, wtf happened? There are also pump action under barrel shotguns for assault rifles now, is there a new wave of minimalism taken over armies of the future or is the ISA just run by a bunch of cheap bastards?

It is also common for a sniper, especially a lone sniper, to carry a secondary weapon like a submachine gun for close in self defence. Take Simo Häyhä, A Finnish war Hero who killed over 700 invading soviet troops in only 100 days, over 200 of those killed were by his submachine gun. He also got shot in the head yet still had the presence of mind to shoot his attacker before slipping into a coma. Yes, he did all this without regenerating health or save checkpoints, history's bona fide badass.

So you ask what I want in a video game? There is the phrase "less is more" but sometimes less is quite simply less, GG removed and reduced FAR too much from the regular formula and polished it in all the wrong places. Halo was a revolution as it got rid of all the clutter of having 10-20 weapons, purifying it by forcing you to try and get two weapons to complement each other, learn how to use them in combination. COD and many other games would follow but with only one weapon as in KZ2, there is no synergy, there is no mixing and matching like shotgun up close then rifle for a long shot, you just stick to the most vanilla weapon in the game and never put it down, ie the M82.

GG seems to entirely miss the point of what makes shooters enjoyable and brings nothing new to the table.

quite long.... But then again. Have you even touched multiplayer? Cause this seems like an endless rant about KZ2. Yes, it's got some valid points, but the pistol rant? Have you even taken a look at the Helghast pistol?
As for the only 1 main weapon thing. It's still a game, remember? You play by it's rules, or you simply don't play.

And, you say you want to see underbarrel g-launchers etc. Then why the fuck would you put down that M82 you love soo much if it had a fucking 1 click kill button attached to it aswell? You wouldn't. Hell, just look at CoD. Howmany people like to be blowed away by those noobish M203 or rifle nades? IMHO, the entire weapon rant you have here, is just plain ridiculous.

Meh, So far, I think yahtzee has gotten less and less funny recently.

Damn! Yahtzee is so anti-Nintendo, why can he not see Microsoft for all their evil corporationy ways! But that rant was good anyway, I actually want to play Overkill now!

Planet Terror FTW!!! That movie was awesome, like this review.

WaffleGod:

quite long.... But then again. Have you even touched multiplayer? Cause this seems like an endless rant about KZ2. Yes, it's got some valid points, but the pistol rant? Have you even taken a look at the Helghast pistol?
As for the only 1 main weapon thing. It's still a game, remember? You play by it's rules, or you simply don't play.

And, you say you want to see underbarrel g-launchers etc. Then why the fuck would you put down that M82 you love soo much if it had a fucking 1 click kill button attached to it aswell? You wouldn't. Hell, just look at CoD. Howmany people like to be blowed away by those noobish M203 or rifle nades? IMHO, the entire weapon rant you have here, is just plain ridiculous.

As to the "Don't like it, Don't buy it" there is some merit to that but considering how much the game is lauded as the epitome of perfection I feel the need to expose the game for what it is as it seems everyone is being caught up in all the hype and marketing surrounding it.

Anyway, a grenade launcher is not that game unbalancing, I mean you have a multi-shot grenade launcher in the SP and MP of Killzone 2 yet it is not considered noobish, why not have a single shot grenade launcher yet still the ability to shoot bullets at lone or enemies too close. Also you would not use the grenades all the time for one hit kills as the slow arcing trajectory means you can't hit a moving target and in close quarters the blast is as likely to kill you as your opponent. These scenarios are perfect to have a rifle but then have a grenade to clear out those happy campers.

On the pistol front, the revolver in the single player is weak as hell, it takes 4 shots to the chest to kill, apparently the Helghast pistol is exactly half the power but double the capacity and fire rate yet just as slow reloading. And you can't even use the Helghast pistol in single player.

I will rent a copy of Killzone 2 as soon as I can just for the multiplayer to confirm my assertions but I have a feeling it is going to be as big a waste of time as renting Battlefield: Bad Company or any other mediocre shooter, just to prove what it is.

It's funny to watch halo's mentioned and its stupid over hyped over rated gaylo trash, well Gears of world war 2 is also stupid over hyped over rated trash, and they will say how can killzone 2 be over rated its great, oh crap to clever for me these ones Sony fan boys are the most smartest of them all.

I loled at this from lasherman I hate when yahtzee suggests Killzone is ripping of Gears of War (Gears of World War Two?). Killzone 1 came out about 2 years before gears of war 1.

"Yo man Epic games thats like the real deal "kindof lol" nah they are really, they dont rip none of Killzone's crap pooh shit. Anyway if you dont know this and you think like that proves my first point. Anyway man go play Gears of world war 2 and i'll play gears of war which is cheaper and been out for longer. And yahtzee was wrong about people complaning about the game price inflation min wage in aussie is like 15 bucks and hour in US its 6.50 so even though the dollar is like 60 us cents we get paid twice as much so there you go actually its about even or cheaper for us to buy games, just thought id add that useless piece of information.

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Knight Templar:

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quickpaw:
Well that was blatantly yet another anti Nintendo rant. God Yahtzee is such a fanboy.

Edit: Well I've clearly kicked a wasps nest here.

I think he just doesn't like Nintendo, if every time somebody doesn't like something we call them a fanboy then what does the word mean?

I have no problem with him disliking Nintendo, what annoys me is the fact that every single chance he gets he insults Nintendo while complimenting the other two consoles. It happens consistently throughout his videos.

I'm quite sure he only does in in videos related to Nintendo in some way.

I'm quite sure that it happens in videos completly unrelated to Nintendo.

Even if he does theat doesn't make him a fanboy, hell I'm starting to think you may be.

To the extent he does it yes it does make him a fanboy. Oh and nice and mature, instead of arguing with me you've just resorted to mud slinging.

I said I thought you were acting like a fanboy, do you see every thought that is not what you belive as an attack?

Because thats how it looks.

Man, I can't wait for next Wednesday when we'll have another Mailbag Showdown. XD

Good review brilliant as all ways
But i think you need to stop beign kinda arrgoant and killzone 2 a chance it's a really good game and has got brilliant review not saying that you have to but nice to see you giving it a chance

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:

Knight Templar:

quickpaw:
Well that was blatantly yet another anti Nintendo rant. God Yahtzee is such a fanboy.

Edit: Well I've clearly kicked a wasps nest here.

I think he just doesn't like Nintendo, if every time somebody doesn't like something we call them a fanboy then what does the word mean?

I have no problem with him disliking Nintendo, what annoys me is the fact that every single chance he gets he insults Nintendo while complimenting the other two consoles. It happens consistently throughout his videos.

I'm quite sure he only does in in videos related to Nintendo in some way.

I'm quite sure that it happens in videos completly unrelated to Nintendo.

Even if he does theat doesn't make him a fanboy, hell I'm starting to think you may be.

To the extent he does it yes it does make him a fanboy. Oh and nice and mature, instead of arguing with me you've just resorted to mud slinging.

I said I thought you were acting like a fanboy, do you see every thought that is not what you belive as an attack?

Because thats how it looks.

That's not what you said at all. You said you were beginning to think I was a fanboy without giving a reason. Oh and that's your opinion. And if you're not going to argue with my points don't bother responding.

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WaffleGod:

quite long.... But then again. Have you even touched multiplayer? Cause this seems like an endless rant about KZ2. Yes, it's got some valid points, but the pistol rant? Have you even taken a look at the Helghast pistol?
As for the only 1 main weapon thing. It's still a game, remember? You play by it's rules, or you simply don't play.

And, you say you want to see underbarrel g-launchers etc. Then why the fuck would you put down that M82 you love soo much if it had a fucking 1 click kill button attached to it aswell? You wouldn't. Hell, just look at CoD. Howmany people like to be blowed away by those noobish M203 or rifle nades? IMHO, the entire weapon rant you have here, is just plain ridiculous.

As to the "Don't like it, Don't buy it" there is some merit to that but considering how much the game is lauded as the epitome of perfection I feel the need to expose the game for what it is as it seems everyone is being caught up in all the hype and marketing surrounding it.

Anyway, a grenade launcher is not that game unbalancing, I mean you have a multi-shot grenade launcher in the SP and MP of Killzone 2 yet it is not considered noobish, why not have a single shot grenade launcher yet still the ability to shoot bullets at lone or enemies too close. Also you would not use the grenades all the time for one hit kills as the slow arcing trajectory means you can't hit a moving target and in close quarters the blast is as likely to kill you as your opponent. These scenarios are perfect to have a rifle but then have a grenade to clear out those happy campers.

On the pistol front, the revolver in the single player is weak as hell, it takes 4 shots to the chest to kill, apparently the Helghast pistol is exactly half the power but double the capacity and fire rate yet just as slow reloading. And you can't even use the Helghast pistol in single player.

I will rent a copy of Killzone 2 as soon as I can just for the multiplayer to confirm my assertions but I have a feeling it is going to be as big a waste of time as renting Battlefield: Bad Company or any other mediocre shooter, just to prove what it is.

You know, I agree with you on the "perfection" thing. But then again, all those reviewers who gave it perfect scores, are the same idiots who gave Halo 3 perfect scores. Neither of these games are perfect, but they sure are very good games. A perfect game simply doesn't exist IMHO.

As for the pistol. You CAN get the Helghast pistol in single player, you just got to find an enemy who has one.

And, if you haven't played the multiplayer yet. Then why are you commenting about it? I've played it fairly enough to get a decent view of it, and I must say. It borrows features of all the games that it needs, puts it in a blender, and gives you a very fun multiplayer experience. It's just not a Halo, resistance or CoD run&gun fast gameplay shooter a lot of gamers want it to be.

The only thing I don't really like is the accuracy of the weapons. The bullets don't hit directly where you put the crosshair (even if you zoom in), so taking down targets behind cover from 200+ metres is going to be a pain in the ass if you don't have a sniperrifle.

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