Hackers Offer PSN Credit Cards For Sale

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MattAn24:
Fuck. You. Hackers.

As for GeoHotz, I actually respect him a lot more. He advised the hackers to NOT sell the information and don't be dicks. He was honest.

This is just another case of cyber crime, the fact that it was Sony has nothing to do with the homebrew community. These were nothing more than criminals after identities. From anywhere. It wasn't just Sony attacked, other companies were attacked and had certain info breached. Various networks were taken down, not just Sony.

People, stop blaming Sony now. It was not something they could see coming. Now that it's confirmed that it was cyber criminals, not just butt-hurt homebrew hackers, shit just got real. It could happen to ANYONE.

Sony really needs to beef up their security, make PSN extremely impenetrable and soldier on.

I do agree with you...but here is the thing...Sony could have implimented the security to prevent this in the first place. Geo proved that the PS3 software was vunerable and by connection, the PSN. However, Sony chose not to beef up security...and now look at the result.

josemlopes:

I dont think that people are losing trust with microsoft, they are losing trust with the internet security overall, they are just removing the info that they thought that was safe off the internet.

The funny part is that, in the grand scheme of things, this was... well, not a minor incident, but far from the worst that's ever happened.

The whole Heartland incident was a hell of a lot bigger scale, with a vastly longer wait time between the knowledge that there was a problem, and telling the public that something had gone wrong, and the best part was that it wasn't even an online service. It was a payment processing corporation.

Ultimately, the only way to be 100% sure that your credit card information won't be stolen is to never get a credit card.

-AC80-:
quite simple, if my money gets touched i'll sue Sony for every penny that gets taken out of my account that i am not accountable for.

You're targeting the wrong people, bucko.

These hackers are CYBER CRIMINALS. This confirms it. Sony was a victim of a malicious attack that in turn, breached personal details of customers.

This is nothing new. It's happened before.

Matthew Lynch:

MattAn24:
Fuck. You. Hackers.

As for GeoHotz, I actually respect him a lot more. He advised the hackers to NOT sell the information and don't be dicks. He was honest.

This is just another case of cyber crime, the fact that it was Sony has nothing to do with the homebrew community. These were nothing more than criminals after identities. From anywhere. It wasn't just Sony attacked, other companies were attacked and had certain info breached. Various networks were taken down, not just Sony.

People, stop blaming Sony now. It was not something they could see coming. Now that it's confirmed that it was cyber criminals, not just butt-hurt homebrew hackers, shit just got real. It could happen to ANYONE.

Sony really needs to beef up their security, make PSN extremely impenetrable and soldier on.

I do agree with you...but here is the thing...Sony could have implimented the security to prevent this in the first place. Geo proved that the PS3 software was vunerable and by connection, the PSN. However, Sony chose not to beef up security...and now look at the result.

That wouldn't have mattered. Large banks have been attacked like this before, and they are supposed to be severely secure. Not the first time this has happened~

If Sony actually was offered the chance to re-purchase them, they should have jumped on it.

Matthew Lynch:

ZeZZZZevy:

Matthew Lynch:

Its already dying. There is another article here that details it http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/109646-One-Fifth-of-PS3-Owners-Are-Eyeing-the-Exit

well yea, I meant that it's gonna go up to a much higher percentage now, because up until this point there was still some doubt as to how much data was actually taken, and whether credit cards were compromised or not.

I won;t be surprised if this bankrupts Sony...or at least comes close to doing so. It;ll definatrly force them to take a good, hard look at their security countermeasures in all their products with internet connectivity.

Well their other branches should probably be able to pad out these losses, but it'll definitely take a few years to really recover from this, and untold amounts of time to recover from lost customer trust.

Matthew Lynch:

I won;t be surprised if this bankrupts Sony...or at least comes close to doing so. It;ll definatrly force them to take a good, hard look at their security countermeasures in all their products with internet connectivity.

Er... you do realize that Sony's video game division is only a small portion of the company as a whole, yes? This won't come anywhere near bankrupting Sony. Their stock prices will take a huge hit for a while, and they might have to dish out some serious dough in either settlements or legal fees, but ultimately this will just be a big pothole in the road that is Sony's fiscal year.

MattAn24:

Matthew Lynch:

MattAn24:
Fuck. You. Hackers.

As for GeoHotz, I actually respect him a lot more. He advised the hackers to NOT sell the information and don't be dicks. He was honest.

This is just another case of cyber crime, the fact that it was Sony has nothing to do with the homebrew community. These were nothing more than criminals after identities. From anywhere. It wasn't just Sony attacked, other companies were attacked and had certain info breached. Various networks were taken down, not just Sony.

People, stop blaming Sony now. It was not something they could see coming. Now that it's confirmed that it was cyber criminals, not just butt-hurt homebrew hackers, shit just got real. It could happen to ANYONE.

Sony really needs to beef up their security, make PSN extremely impenetrable and soldier on.

I do agree with you...but here is the thing...Sony could have implimented the security to prevent this in the first place. Geo proved that the PS3 software was vunerable and by connection, the PSN. However, Sony chose not to beef up security...and now look at the result.

That wouldn't have mattered. Large banks have been attacked like this before, and they are supposed to be severely secure. Not the first time this has happened~

Its a case of trust. The customer trusted Sony to safeguard their information. It doesn't matter that hackers stole the info, its the fact that information was stolen in the first place. When people suffer Identity theft cause of a screwup at a bank, the bank is liable for damages. Its the same with Sony...they are liable for the damages.

gamerguy473:
If Sony actually was offered the chance to re-purchase them, they should have jumped on it.

But they don't negotiate with cyber terrorists.

Put my money into my other account for now.

Will phone the bank on Tuesday.

Talens:
Complete Bull on the story, Sony never asked for your CVV (or CWV or whatever its called) so how could they have gotten them off the network

Unfortunately, according to this story on Destructoid it looks as though they /do/ ask for your CVV #.

http://www.destructoid.com/sony-didn-t-need-your-cc-security-code-except-it-did--199973.phtml

So it looks like at least on playstation.com if you try to sign up for a PSN account they do ask you for the cvv. Whether or not they store it in their database is anyone's guess.

Lvl 64 Klutz:

Matthew Lynch:

I won;t be surprised if this bankrupts Sony...or at least comes close to doing so. It;ll definatrly force them to take a good, hard look at their security countermeasures in all their products with internet connectivity.

Er... you do realize that Sony's video game division is only a small portion of the company as a whole, yes? This won't come anywhere near bankrupting Sony. Their stock prices will take a huge hit for a while, and they might have to dish out some serious dough in either settlements or legal fees, but ultimately this will just be a big pothole in the road that is Sony's fiscal year.

They will still have to spend money reviewing their ecurity measures in their other divisions.

glad i asked for my associated card to be stopped and had a new one re issued :(. so sony was basically lying when it said the cc info was protected?

gamerguy473:
If Sony actually was offered the chance to re-purchase them, they should have jumped on it.

What would that possibly do? If they re-purchase info, obviously the hackers made backups. Duh..

MattAn24:

gamerguy473:
If Sony actually was offered the chance to re-purchase them, they should have jumped on it.

What would that possibly do? If they re-purchase info, obviously the hackers made backups. Duh..

Not to mention that might encourage future hacking attempts to 'hold personal information to ransom'

Pretty much convinced skynet is behind this.....From the eternal internet it rises, / Creating armies on either shore, / Turning man against his brother / 'Til man exists no more.

I think everyone is overreacting a bit. If you use the same password on your PSN account as your email accounts change them. And then monitor your Credit and Debit card activity. They stole something like 77 million users info, The chances that your account will be compromised are very slim.

Sony is working with a security firm right now and the first step was to probably go out to the major Credit card processors(VISA, Discover, Amex, etc) with the list of names of everyone compromised. They are all probably now on a high alert list for suspicious charges. If anything its more likely that a legitimate charge you perform might get denied because of the watch list. If you are planning on traveling out of country I would call your credit card company and let them know or you might find it shutdown when you try to buy that coffee in Germany.

In the end Sony screwed up big and they have a major security breach. But everyone with PSN accounts don't have to run around like the world is ending either. Just check you bank and credit accounts daily and watch your credit reports(although since Sony doesn't take you SSN this shouldn't really be a problem)

Strife2k7:

Talens:
Complete Bull on the story, Sony never asked for your CVV (or CWV or whatever its called) so how could they have gotten them off the network

Unfortunately, according to this story on Destructoid it looks as though they /do/ ask for your CVV #.

http://www.destructoid.com/sony-didn-t-need-your-cc-security-code-except-it-did--199973.phtml

So it looks like at least on playstation.com if you try to sign up for a PSN account they do ask you for the cvv. Whether or not they store it in their database is anyone's guess.

You're quoting a story written by Jim Sterling? Yeah, I do not believe that story one bit. The comments below state otherwise. He's wrong.

nilus2k:
I think everyone is overreacting a bit. If you use the same password on your PSN account as your email accounts change them. And then monitor your Credit and Debit card activity. They stole something like 77 million users info, The chances that your account will be compromised are very slim.

Sony is working with a security firm right now and the first step was to probably go out to the major Credit card processors(VISA, Discover, Amex, etc) with the list of names of everyone compromised. They are all probably now on a high alert list for suspicious charges. If anything its more likely that a legitimate charge you perform might get denied because of the watch list. If you are planning on traveling out of country I would call your credit card company and let them know or you might find it shutdown when you try to buy that coffee in Germany.

In the end Sony screwed up big and they have a major security breach. But everyone with PSN accounts don't have to run around like the world is ending either. Just check you bank and credit accounts daily and watch your credit reports(although since Sony doesn't take you SSN this shouldn't really be a problem)

According to this story, it's not 77 million on offer being sold.. It's 22-something million.

i regularly buy stuff from the psn and i have lost no faith in sony.

the people or person that pulled off this hack obviously used aggressive hack techniques that probably only the ministry of defence could deflect.

the fact that all this hit the fan so shortly after the threats from anonymous i don't think is a coincidence.

it all just sounds like threats and posturing to me.

I suddenly realised that I created a PSN account for my brothers PSP and may have tried to add my debit card. It should be too serious, it's only a debit with about 5 on it but I don't like the idea that someone has my information. Well, I needed to change my password on all these sites, I suppose I should ring up my bank sometime.

This is why I only use prepaid cards when dealing with any online junk. Yes, it is a pain to refill the card to get exactly what I want, but I can live with that inconvenience if the pay off is my peace of mind.

Jail time, coming right up!!!

[shrug] Jim's story may or may not be accurate, comments show that some people didn't put their CVV in while others remember definitely having to do so. Makes no difference to me, though the screenshot taken from playstation.com seems to imply they do ask for it in some cases. I cancelled my card the moment I heard the info had been compromised anyway, along with changing all my passwords, so I'm not that concerned about it. Just pointing out that it is possible, /if/ this story is true, that they do have CVV numbers for some of those cards.

Irridium:
Well, I changed up my passwords. Good god this is scary. Whoever the hacker is, I hope he gets mauled. Yes, I wish physical harm on the son of a bitch who stole all this information. I don't care who knows it.

Hear Hear bravo to you sir i heartly agree. Yeah im going to the bank myself today to get a new card issued, although i kinda wish I could get into the class action lawsuit now.

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Remember that rumour just a week ago that this was actually just a move on Sony to reduce piracy? That was reported as almost fact and everyone immediately believed?

I'll wait before I make judgements.

Apart from anything else, this is the perfect opportunity to make a lot of money pretending that you have the PSN credit card details. It's not as though they can complain that they've be scammed and it's a lot safer and takes less effort

Well, my bank is awesome! So fucking glad I live in Australia (though I feel sorry for the guy with the bogus $2000 transaction. Saw him on the news, I think he got it refunded and fixed though, no lawsuits needed~)

Anyway, my bank has assured me that they're monitoring transactions at all times, as a free part of the service, so they've said I will only require a new debit card if I really have mass-paranoia and desperately think I'm going to die without a new card.

So, basically, CHILL THE FUCK DOWN. This kind of shit happens. I know I've seen it happen before, from banks or any big-name institution. Cyber criminals gonna cyber crime. It's the nasty shit they do.

Sure, Sony may not have been "well prepared", but that's certainly no license to say "FUCKING ATTACK THEM, HACKERS! KILL SONY! :D" No, that just makes you a heartless twat!

MattAn24:
Well, my bank is awesome! So fucking glad I live in Australia (though I feel sorry for the guy with the bogus $2000 transaction. Saw him on the news, I think he got it refunded and fixed though, no lawsuits needed~)

Anyway, my bank has assured me that they're monitoring transactions at all times, as a free part of the service, so they've said I will only require a new debit card if I really have mass-paranoia and desperately think I'm going to die without a new card.

So, basically, CHILL THE FUCK DOWN. This kind of shit happens. I know I've seen it happen before, from banks or any big-name institution. Cyber criminals gonna cyber crime. It's the nasty shit they do.

Sure, Sony may not have been "well prepared", but that's certainly no license to say "FUCKING ATTACK THEM, HACKERS! KILL SONY! :D" No, that just makes you a heartless twat!

I never said anything about that. I am just saying that it was their responcibility to protect the data their users entrusted the company with...

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Darks63:

Irridium:
Well, I changed up my passwords. Good god this is scary. Whoever the hacker is, I hope he gets mauled. Yes, I wish physical harm on the son of a bitch who stole all this information. I don't care who knows it.

Hear Hear bravo to you sir i heartly agree. Yeah im going to the bank myself today to get a new card issued, although i kinda wish I could get into the class action lawsuit now.

...WHY!? They're suing the wrong people! Find the hackers and sue THEM! What the fuck is the big problem? THIS SHIT HAPPENS ALL THE DAMN TIME. It is nothing new. If it weren't Sony, it would have been Verizon. Or AT&T. Or NBC.

This was not an attack from a GeoHotz sympathizer (like, I admit, I initially claimed it to be). No. This was solely the work of CYBER CRIMINALS, with absolutely no care or remorse at all. They don't care who YOU are or who they attack. They will do it.

ace_of_something:

Misho-:
Are debit cards at risk? I mean it's a silly question but I used a Debit Card, not a Credit card to purchase stuff. Well at any rate this made me feel real bad... I feel nausea now.

A debit card is even MORE at risk. Once they use the money on that. It's gone. You're not getting it back, banks aren't required to cover their losses on it at all (which is part of the reason they push so hard for you to have one) Change your account number as soon as possible.

Remember not to trust everything you see on the internet.

One person said all debit cards have a 250Euro limit, this guy is saying all debit cards have no protection.

All debit cards, and credit cards, come with individual contracts. For example my Debit card has a $2000 limit and it does have fraud protection.

On Topic: I'd just get a new card. Better safe than sorry guys.

Matthew Lynch:

MattAn24:
Well, my bank is awesome! So fucking glad I live in Australia (though I feel sorry for the guy with the bogus $2000 transaction. Saw him on the news, I think he got it refunded and fixed though, no lawsuits needed~)

Anyway, my bank has assured me that they're monitoring transactions at all times, as a free part of the service, so they've said I will only require a new debit card if I really have mass-paranoia and desperately think I'm going to die without a new card.

So, basically, CHILL THE FUCK DOWN. This kind of shit happens. I know I've seen it happen before, from banks or any big-name institution. Cyber criminals gonna cyber crime. It's the nasty shit they do.

Sure, Sony may not have been "well prepared", but that's certainly no license to say "FUCKING ATTACK THEM, HACKERS! KILL SONY! :D" No, that just makes you a heartless twat!

I never said anything about that. I am just saying that it was their responcibility to protect the data their users entrusted the company with...

Yes. It is. And for all we know (not what news sites, aka the sensationalist media) want to report), SONY could have had a nicely encrypted system. Just enough to keep it safe. Hackers CAN bypass that. No. Not just any hackers. These are expertly trained cyber criminals who will stop at nothing to get information. If there's a wall, they'll break it.

Hell, what's the bet it's a butt-hurt ex-Sony employee who knew the way in and informed criminals? NOBODY KNOWS.

MattAn24:

Matthew Lynch:

MattAn24:
Well, my bank is awesome! So fucking glad I live in Australia (though I feel sorry for the guy with the bogus $2000 transaction. Saw him on the news, I think he got it refunded and fixed though, no lawsuits needed~)

Anyway, my bank has assured me that they're monitoring transactions at all times, as a free part of the service, so they've said I will only require a new debit card if I really have mass-paranoia and desperately think I'm going to die without a new card.

So, basically, CHILL THE FUCK DOWN. This kind of shit happens. I know I've seen it happen before, from banks or any big-name institution. Cyber criminals gonna cyber crime. It's the nasty shit they do.

Sure, Sony may not have been "well prepared", but that's certainly no license to say "FUCKING ATTACK THEM, HACKERS! KILL SONY! :D" No, that just makes you a heartless twat!

I never said anything about that. I am just saying that it was their responcibility to protect the data their users entrusted the company with...

Yes. It is. And for all we know (not what news sites, aka the sensationalist media) want to report), SONY could have had a nicely encrypted system. Just enough to keep it safe. Hackers CAN bypass that. No. Not just any hackers. These are expertly trained cyber criminals who will stop at nothing to get information. If there's a wall, they'll break it.

Hell, what's the bet it's a butt-hurt ex-Sony employee who knew the way in and informed criminals? NOBODY KNOWS.

Unfortunately, their own agreements say they have to take the responcibility for losses from their security...at least when it comes to credit details. (At least thats what the agreement on xbox live is...not sure if it is different for Sony)

Matthew Lynch:

I never said anything about that. I am just saying that it was their responcibility to protect the data their users entrusted the company with...

Which is where the problem lies; We don't know how extensive their protection actually was. You can lambast Sony all you want over a failure to protect your data, but if you don't know what they did to protect it, it's hard to say that they were somehow negligent in that protection.

Security has to work all the time; hackers only have to get lucky once.

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