Doom No Longer Considered "Harmful To Young Persons" In Germany

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Um... Doom? Didn't ID release the source code for that a really long time ago now?

What does Zenimax hope to gain from this anyway? XD

Ah well. Whatever.

I guess Germany's censorship laws are pretty extreme then...

Sylveria:

German policies and countries similar to them are why the gaming community needs to keep pressing forward for the same legitimacy that other forms of media privy to. Here's a country where the Ultra-conservative, fear-mongering, "Bulletstorm makes people rape" crowd actually won.

In a way, games already have the same legitimacy as all other forms of media: The index is for all media (except newspapers, I think). I'm pretty sure there are more books and films on the list than videogames, simply because those have been around longer. So, in a way, your ultraconservative, fear-mongering crowd won this fight before games even existed (some time in the 50s, when a lot of Germans still basically had an old Nazi mindset towards art and media).
Granted, whenever someone does something stupid today, it will be blamed on videogames, though luckily we don't actually get those "game x is a rape simulator" kind of news very often/at all.

Avayu:

Sylveria:

German policies and countries similar to them are why the gaming community needs to keep pressing forward for the same legitimacy that other forms of media privy to. Here's a country where the Ultra-conservative, fear-mongering, "Bulletstorm makes people rape" crowd actually won.

In a way, games already have the same legitimacy as all other forms of media: The index is for all media (except newspapers, I think). I'm pretty sure there are more books and films on the list than videogames, simply because those have been around longer. So, in a way, your ultraconservative, fear-mongering crowd won this fight before games even existed (some time in the 50s, when a lot of Germans still basically had an old Nazi mindset towards art and media).
Granted, whenever someone does something stupid today, it will be blamed on videogames, though luckily we don't actually get those "game x is a rape simulator" kind of news very often/at all.

In fact, the movies, books and audio mediums on the "index" outnumber the games significantly, the most numerous form of media indexed is movies at 2761 (games clock in at 561).
By the way, the news article is completely wrong in linking the existence of the BPjM (Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons) to Germany's thriving porn industry. Media which is "obviously not intended" for minors such as hardcore porn doesn't fall into the responsibility of the BPjM at all, it concerns itself mostly with works that paint war, racism and violence in general in a positive light or even glorify them.
The problem especially in the 80s and 90s was that the BPjM and the general public in Germany saw video games as a form of electronic children's toy, so violent video games like Doom were treated much more harshly than movies, which by that point were accepted as an artistic medium. Ironically, in the 60s and 70s, movies were in turn more harshly treated than books and comics, and in the 50s a lot of works that were put on the "index" were comics.

Formica Archonis:

Hungry Donner:
All of those years playing Doom and Doom 2 I might as well have been watching hardcore German pornography? What does that say about all of the Doom editing I did? And working with ZDoom? What about my Dad introducing me to Do- THIS ANALOGY I OVER.

Did you just do ZDoom stuff or did you do any vanilla levels?

I did a lot of Doom 2 editing but I never released any of it. I do have some ZDoom maps in TeamTNT's Daedalus project.

Don't they always replace the blood with green goo and call everyone a zombie?
Pretty sure they did that with the German release of Carmageddon etc.

Kenjitsuka:
Don't they always replace the blood with green goo and call everyone a zombie?
Pretty sure they did that with the German release of Carmageddon etc.

Yeah, that was a practice mostly used during the nineties to avoid the dreaded "indiziert" and/or USK18 labels, as those tend to hurt your sales quite a bit. That wasn't done by some censoring board though, but by the developers/publishers hoping to get a USK12 or USK16 rating. This often led to rather jarring and unnecessary self-censorship, like the ridicolous robot infantry in Command & Conquer. The in terms of violent content similar Starcraft on the other hand wasn't changed at all safe for the dubbing and still got an USK12 rating.
Nowadays, the German versions mostly just reduce the violence by removing excessive blood splattering and body parts flying around.

Kenjitsuka:
Don't they always replace the blood with green goo and call everyone a zombie?
Pretty sure they did that with the German release of Carmageddon etc.

pretty true. in "soldier of fortune 2" they replaced the soldiers with robots and have oil for blood and in "half life 1" they also replaced the seals with robots and removed the blood entirely.

@crystal shadow
yes, they are very strict with censoring stuff. not only with games, but also with movies. you want to buy "evil dead" in germany.... good luck.
even the DVDs of movies are cut. unless you see a sticker written on it that says "uncut version". otherwise you can buy the same movie but is still cut. really stupid. they seriously think they protect the children from violent behavior.

At this point in time, Doom is not really considered 'Ultra-violent'. Times change.

Das good no?

Man, I bet those German kids can't WAIT to play Doom!

Oh, happy day! Come, my German friends, take up your chainsaws and raise arms against the demon horde! Remember, to win the game, you must kill the one known as "John Romero"!

In a ironic twist, 16 year old Germans across the country became Teutonic Knights, citing Doom as the inspiration they needed to join the order to destroy demonic beasts. When told that demonic beasts are surprisingly uncommon outside of Doom, the teenagers gave a collective sigh and all went home to play non-violent games.

Hopefully this means a possible weakening of censorship laws in Germany-when Sony was giving out free games after the PSN debacle I cringed on behalf of the German gamers when I read what games they would be lumped with.

Hungry Donner:
I did a lot of Doom 2 editing but I never released any of it. I do have some ZDoom maps in TeamTNT's Daedalus project.

Nice! I was just one of their beta testers, never a full-fledged member.

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