Game Devs Vote Baldur's Gate Best Game of All Time

 Pages PREV 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 NEXT
 

COD4 might actually deserve it's place here for how much it redefined the shooter. But Dead Space? Tomb Raider? Bioshock? Come on, people. What did -any- of those redefine, except maybe Tomb Raider redefining video game titties.

To everybody saying, "Why not this game?!?!"

The title of the article is very misleading.

They're voting their favourite games. FAVOURITE. It is not objective. And you will never, ever get a completely objective view of a game. They're not asking "What do you think is the best?" Its opinionated. I'm sure if you went by more technical standards, at the very least the bottom three; Dead Space, Assassin's Creed, and Silent Hill, wouldn't be there. But they're there. Why? Because they're simply the games they're more fond of as developers, and I'm assuming not just because its easy to copy off of them *cough cough* 17 *cough cough*
Saying their choice in games is wrong is like saying that somebody's favourite colour is wrong. The day you can prove to me with scientific fact that my favourite colour is not the best is the day you have to right to tell these developers that they're wrong.

I was surprised not to see KOTOR or Fallout, but really when you look at the list, most of the titles are more recent releases. Over half the list has had a release or will have a release in a one-year period from this date.

PrinceOfShapeir:
COD4 might actually deserve it's place here for how much it redefined the shooter. But Dead Space? Tomb Raider? Bioshock? Come on, people. What did -any- of those redefine, except maybe Tomb Raider redefining video game titties.

These are not "redefining" games, these are "favourite" games.

If you had to ask which game was more redefining, Bioshock or Dead Space, the answer is clear. But if you asked which one I'd rather play, I'll take Dead Space any day. Some games are just more fun, but it doesn't make them more important. You'd have more fun playing Saints Row 3 than Bioshock, but Bioshock would make a bigger impact on you.

Sometimes, videogames can just be something for entertainment without having a deeper meaning. They can be artistic too, but thats not their primary prerogative.

PrinceOfShapeir:
COD4 might actually deserve it's place here for how much it redefined the shooter. But Dead Space? Tomb Raider? Bioshock? Come on, people. What did -any- of those redefine, except maybe Tomb Raider redefining video game titties.

As much as people like to bash the series, Tomb Raider was damned good for its time and often considered the a peak in terms of gameplay and puzzle design. It's easy to dismiss it as just cheap thrills based on the games protagonist, but it had amazing level design, gameplay, and even graphics for its day. Tomb Raider Anniversary was one of my favourite games of 2007 and the original games were often brilliant even if there was a clear decline in quality over the years.

I call shenanigans, no Half-Life/TF2. Also a bunch of forgotten gems I couldn't be bothered to list.

wow, no half life

zombie711:

Mike Kayatta:

Not one of these games was made for the App Store.

Except
Monkey Island
Mass Effect (series)
Devil May Cry
Tomb Raider
Metal Gear Solid
Call of Duty:
Silent Hill
Assassin's Creed
Dead Space









Nice job, but those are ports. Not games initially made for mobile devices.

Hardcore_racist:

Ulquiorra4sama:
Thank Darwin i don't give a damn about popular opinion.

I've set up my own list of top games and it's the only one i'll ever trust, and i don't even expect other people to care about my list since it's all just personal opinion.

Thanks for the contribution, chump. But I don't really think anyone's interested in hearing about how you aren't interested in the list. I'm sure there are better threads for you to act like a rebel in.

And what are you? The moderator? Just pointing out you didn't exactly contribute either with that post, dude :P

But i'd say pointing out how such a list doesn't really have much point to it at all because people will play the games they like regardless of what others think is a valid point to make here.

These kinds of list are really just for those who are particularily interested in what devs think amongst themselves and really the most you could hope for as a reaction is a "Yeah, that's kinda interesting i suppose". Their favorite games are purely subjective as well so why would their list be news worthy while mine isn't?

You happy now? :P

Yup, even game devs get it wrong. As others have mentioned there are some dubious entries on that list. I do wonder how many games some Devs actually play, Bioshock but no System Shock 2? Maybe it's a generational thing.

-Gift.

Two points jump to my attention:

1) Nothing by valve: Designers are filthy liars, since everyone has copied them,

2) No System Shock 2...Ok...wait, Bioshock? FUCKING BIOSHOCK? Seriously. Wait, what the DEADSPACE??

The second-rate console knock-off remakes of a truly great game get a mention, where the original masterpiece does not? No wonder modern games are shit.

It's as if a modern horror director listed the 2003 Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake as his main inspiration for getting into the genre...

Marik Bentusi:

The_root_of_all_evil:
Because "no-one plays Turn Based Strategy any more."

Pokémon.

It's possible, you just have to freshen up the concept. Landscape hasn't looked well for strategy games in general lately. Maybe due to Modern FPS selling better. Or that strategy games require advanced and expensive AI. I dunno.

So not my words. Loads of people would play TBS if there was someone who would build the bloody game. Civilization for a start. It was originally from people asking why XCOM wasn't TBS.

yourbeliefs:
This list is about as valid as Yahoo's top 10 games list. Here's some of the numerous things I see wrong with this collection:

NO fighting games. Really? Not even Street Fighter II or the series?
NO GTA games. The massive impact these games had on the industry cannot be ignored.
Diablo games ranked #2. Really? There's only been 2 of these games and from what I played, they weren't exactly innovative or industry changing.
Deep Space. The idea that this would be up there but NOT put on the Resident Evil series (or even Alone in the Dark for that matter) is ludicrous.

I feel like these developers were trying to be "too cool" for this list, so they didn't pick games that they thought were actually the most FUN and instead picked stuff that was most "meaningful" and artistic. They went for the "hip" factor as opposed to the "truth" factor. Either that or it seems to be that most developers are tossers.

Well, in all fairness it's about their view on what the best games are, not necessarily what has affected the industry the most. I, for example, have never enjoyed fighting games, and although I've played the GTA games, they're not in my favourites at all. I'll agree on the Diablo point (purely because I've never played any of them) and the Dead Space one. However, I find a great number of discrepancies within the list. For example, I thought Metal Gear Solid 2 was a VAST improvement over Metal Gear Solid, but it's not even on the list.
AND THAT'S FINE.
Remember that it's all a matter of opinion. My top twenty list would not look anything like this in the slightest, but then I'm sure there are some who did submit a list that would've looked more similar to mine.
Overall, yes, it can the developers trying to advertise and up their own games, but let's not get worked up over something that's hardly an official review of EVERY GAME out there!

Leftnt Sharpe:
This really begs the question: if so many developers love Baldur's Gate, why the hell does no one make that kind of isometric RPG any more?

Sadly, developers have no say in what games are made. Publishers make that call. And publishers tend to be kind of institutionally married to sales figures.

While i don't think this is truly representative of the best ever games it does come closer compared to a lot of other lists. I can also see reasons for why every game there was chosen. (No.1 is of course completely accurate).

Butt-kicking! For GOODNESS!

Man, I am glad the Baldur's Gate series was #1 on that list. I played the shit out of it back in the day. I only felt the second game fell down in the female romances department. As a male character, you could have 3 possible romances. As a female character, you could have one: Anomen, the man with the stick jammed into a very inconvenient place in his anatomy. Pfeh. As a female gamer, I felt this was a bad idea. Admittedly, the female romances weren't that great, either... (Aerie the goody-two shoes who was so sugary she could give you diabetes and bad dental hygiene, Jaheira the snooty half-elven druid, and Viconia, the Neutral Evil Drow).

Replace Modern Warfare with Half Life 2 and that list would be perfect.

No Valve, but Dead Space.

No Bethesda, but WoW.

What a shit list.

yourbeliefs:
This list is about as valid as Yahoo's top 10 games list. Here's some of the numerous things I see wrong with this collection:

NO fighting games. Really? Not even Street Fighter II or the series?
NO GTA games. The massive impact these games had on the industry cannot be ignored.
Diablo games ranked #2. Really? There's only been 2 of these games and from what I played, they weren't exactly innovative or industry changing.
Deep Space. The idea that this would be up there but NOT put on the Resident Evil series (or even Alone in the Dark for that matter) is ludicrous.

I feel like these developers were trying to be "too cool" for this list, so they didn't pick games that they thought were actually the most FUN and instead picked stuff that was most "meaningful" and artistic. They went for the "hip" factor as opposed to the "truth" factor. Either that or it seems to be that most developers are tossers.

No. What happened was that you completely misunderstood what the list was about.

The list wasn't about which games had the biggest impact. The list was which game series they LIKED the most.

Diablo, for example, while still more innovative than what you give it credit for, is on the list because at the time the two games were just some of the most fun you could have gaming. It was well executed, addictive, had one of the more competent multi-player system in an age where multi-player was often a hassle to get working. Even in this age, other games who tried to replicate it's formula (Titan Quest, which i play myself, and Torchlight) just hasn't managed to have the same appeal.

I'm very surprised myself that Half-Life isn't on the list, but I'm not surprised at all about Baldur's Gate being on the top. The games in the series, even by todays standards, are still well executed, looks good, has a very competent combat system with a really good difficulty curve, and above all else tons of content (with even more available through fan-made mods).

Well obviously these are just what these people think are good, I dont know why you guys expect that just because these are all game developers means that they like "classy" games like Half Life, apart from developing games, theyre just regular gamers, with their own tastes

You're damn right, Game Devs.
I don't have to hurt you now.

The only thing on this list that made me go, "eh?" was Tomb Raider.

I mean really. Tomb Raider. The runny jumpy platformy action was done better in Prince of Persia.

Aside from that, yeah, it's a list of very good games all right.

nyttyn:
Remember people that a game devloper has a different state of mind from you in terms of what a 'great' game is.

Fun =/= great.

Although I will admit some of these choices are moronic. But hey, there never will be a 'perfect' list because opinions are just that: opinions.

Without fun, game isn't great. I have to just say that.

imokaywiththis.jpg

Seriously, not a bad list at all. The inclusion of a few titles raises a brow here and there but otherwise, it has nice variety, etc.

Some games are ew.

No Elder Scrolls either.

SteelStallion:

Leftnt Sharpe:
This really begs the question: if so many developers love Baldur's Gate, why the hell does no one make that kind of isometric RPG any more?

It's more of a fond, nostalgic love I believe.

Also, Diablo 3, Torchlight and Dungeon Siege 3 are just a few off the top of my head.

If you compare Baldurs Gate with Diablo and their like...I really doubt you have played the games :P

More or less decent list. I'm pleasently surprised that Batman was on the list. Baldurs gate probably deserves its first place. Probably.

Yes shadow of the collossus and mass effect being 4th and 5th. My favourite game and game series.

Not just no half-life but no Valve games. That's pretty odd, you'd think some of the devs would have stuck Portal / Portal 2 on there.

Surprised to see a couple of MMOs on there too I would have expected them to all be single player.

Would have added Jade Empire and Jedi Academy on there myself though.

Only thing I'd disagree with being on the list is Assassin's Creed. f it was the series I'd understand, but the first game isn't the best within the series.

No Fallout, but CoD, Devil May Cry and Assassins Creed?
Oh. Fucking. PLEASE.

The ony games i find of interest in the list is the following:
1) Baldur's Gate (series)
2) Diablo (series)
5) Mass Effect (series)
6) Batman: Arkham Asylum
7) StarCraft
9) EverQuest
10) Devil May Cry
11) Tomb Raider (series)
12) BioShock
13) Metal Gear Solid
15) Deus Ex
18) Silent Hill
19) Assassin's Creed
20) Dead Space

Also, no elder srolls? really? i though that one did a bigger impact.
and the list was longer than i expected, wow.

Everquest > WoW. 1000 developers can't be wrong.

Worgen:
The fact that dead space is in here invalidates the vote and proves these people are idiots.

That a thousand times.
I can't see how half the Top 100 Games of the Decade have Half Life 1 or 2 on in... then this list shows up with no VALVe, no Rockstar and no Bethesda -- what a load of crap.

For me, a notable exclusion of Morrowind, or at least the Elder Scrolls series. Morrowind is such a superb game, it's a pity to see it beaten by the likes of Dead Space.

Hmm if you actually read the article at Eurogamer, or go and read the original source in the magazine that did the survey which is a free download, you discover that out of the developers asked there are only a couple that are well known developers. I don't know most of them.

I'm not going to nitpick about the order. I couldn't put my 20 favorite games in a concrete order if i tried.

That said, Tomb Raider? Dead Space? really...?

Other than that its really a pretty complete list hitting at least one game from all the major trends in gaming over the last 15+ years.

Fat Baldur's Gate fanboy here *random Minsc quote*

But where is Half-Life, System Shock, Thief and... freakin DOOM? Seriously, game devs? No love for the greatest game of all time?

Anyway, I was always more of a Tiax person.

image

 Pages PREV 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 NEXT

Reply to Thread

Log in or Register to Comment
Have an account? Login below:
With Facebook:Login With Facebook
or
Username:  
Password:  
  
Not registered? To sign up for an account with The Escapist:
Register With Facebook
Register With Facebook
or
Register for a free account here