Federal Court Rules that the X-Men are Not Human

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I don't really understand the need to have the division of toys and figurines to human and non-human.
But if there's one, I guess they should be divided solely based on appearance and if they look human enough.

believer258:

amaranth_dru:
Blue eyes are a mutation, not a naturally occuring part of the human race.

Really? So I'm a mutant?

Awesome.

On topic, this seems a little pedantic to me. Just a bit.

Everyone has (new) mutations in their DNA, about 100 on average.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8227442.stm

It would be more unnatural not to have any.

But mutants in the comics aren't really the same thing, and evolution and biology in general doesn't work like in reality in the X-men.

"In the interest of saving money on taxes, these are action figures, not dolls"

Plurralbles:
"In the interest of saving money on taxes, these are action figures, not dolls"

You sir have made my day, and I fail to see how the character model classification of a figurine affects the shipping and what not. Shouldn't that be decided by things like how they are made and material or size or something. From what I gather from the article these will be the exact same toys but cheaper because:"dude there mutants, mutants can't be humans even if they look and act identical and are the exact same product." Just sort of messed up. X-men are still cool though so what

Baresark:

amaranth_dru:
Does this mean all humans with mutations are now non-humans? Or just specific to the X-Men comics. Depending on the wording, if this says "mutants" are not non-human, and not "super-powered meta-humans" aren't human, then there is a problem because I most definitely qualify as a mutant. Blue eyes are a mutation, not a naturally occuring part of the human race.

Sorry to rain on your parade: Mutations are a naturally occurring event of all biological organisms. But, that being said, I would be interested in your source.

I know mutations happen to every species/organism, I was merely speaking on behalf of the human/mutant race. And as to the blue eyes thing, there's many sources for it (google works wonders) here's one:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3323607/Blue-eyes-result-of-ancient-genetic-mutation.html

There are tons of other links that say the basically same thing. But here's the skinny, it is a mutation that happened years (like thousands of years) ago. But it makes all the descendants of that one person with that trait mutants and anyone carrying the mutated recessive gene.

Edit: Interesting tidbit quotation following:
"That's a bit disingenuous, as the mutation also produces greater instance of blond hair (sexually selected for even today) and fair skin, which confers a survival advantage by stimulating greater production of vitamin D in sun-starved northern European countries - exactly where blue eyes are still most prevalent."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327070,00.html#ixzz1i9L9X4Ly

Yes its a foxnews quote but even they get some news correct some of the time.

This has VERY good consequences in other things.

This means that, if (It won't now) a law was ever passed banning violence featuring humans in video games, X-men wouldn't count of humans in such a thing, or at least a legal debate for it would have some precendence.

This, also, has implications in a more morally dark grey area, rather than "are you shitting me" one:

This (hopefully) means that if for some reason you have... explicit material featuring cartoons of less than mature x-men, you wouldn't be able to be charged for child pornography for it.

Last time I checked, the law (stupidly) doesn't make a difference between "a stick figure said to be less than 18 having stick figure sex" and actual childern being abused.

I don't codone such a x-men cartoon/drawn comic (though i'm sure one or many exists, rule 34 and all), people shouldn't be thrown in jail and labled with the worst lable one can have in modern socioty over a freaking cartoon.

Oh Yes! Of Course!
People's money goes into debates like these and ''Is pizza a veggie?''
I mean SERIOUSLY!A debate that you could find hundreds and hundreds of forum threads on fansites and the such.
Faith in Humanity lost by another 10 points.

Maybe 2012 is really the worlds end.With news like these my doubts about that fades.

A silly court case over taxes and tariffs... reminds me of the case McVitie's had a while ago over Jaffa Cakes, as they were trying to prove they weren't chocolate covered biscuits, which are subject to VAT. (Name notwithstanding, if you don't know Jaffa Cakes, they're round cookie-sized dense crumb with a disc of orange-flavoured apricot jam and half-covered in chocolate, eaten as biscuit snacks rather than dessert).

They proved Jaffa Cakes were indeed cakes...by proving cakes go hard when stale, and biscuits go soft; Jaffa Cakes go hard.

Did anyone ever stop and say to everyone else: "Hey guys, why don't we stop arguing about this shit, leave it to the fanboys online, and do something else? After all, we're arguing about fucking plastic toys."

This is the most useless court case(s) I have ever heard about.
Whats next? Are they going to rule that Equestria is a blatant plagiarism of Austria and Equestrianism?
Maybe they want to have a ruling that pokemon are not monsters since some of them are pretty much copypasta IRL animals.

If there's ever a conflict between a group of people that can control the weather and grow claws out of their hands and a group of people who insist that everyone should be forced to be as shit as they are, I know which side I'd rather be on.

amaranth_dru:
Does this mean all humans with mutations are now non-humans? Or just specific to the X-Men comics. Depending on the wording, if this says "mutants" are not non-human, and not "super-powered meta-humans" aren't human, then there is a problem because I most definitely qualify as a mutant. Blue eyes are a mutation, not a naturally occuring part of the human race.

Well, technically all of those weirdos who can process lactose (the thingy in normal milk) are mutants too, meaning, almost 80% of the world.
I don't have colored eyes and can't process lactose, I'm normal!

Only one phrase can express my feelings for the federal court.

I mean, seriously, I was six when I watched X-Men for the first time and even my brain could figure out that gambit, wolverine, cyclops and all of the others were not humans.

This is so silly. I think the courts have more important things on their plates than action figures.

amaranth_dru:
Does this mean all humans with mutations are now non-humans? Or just specific to the X-Men comics. Depending on the wording, if this says "mutants" are not non-human, and not "super-powered meta-humans" aren't human, then there is a problem because I most definitely qualify as a mutant. Blue eyes are a mutation, not a naturally occuring part of the human race.

If a mutation that occurred in your ancestry made you a mutant then we'd all be mutants, mutations are the core foundation of evolution after all.

OT: It's honestly quite silly that they've debated over this for so long and have bowed down to a group that is probably a load of rednecks with their strange imaginations.

what next? bar code tattoos for all mutants!?!

believer258:

amaranth_dru:
Blue eyes are a mutation, not a naturally occuring part of the human race.

Really? So I'm a mutant?

Awesome.

On topic, this seems a little pedantic to me. Just a bit.

I also have blue eyes.

But, think of what this means for sentient species, and genetic engineering.
think of, due to genetic engineering, in the near future, furries were real, with actual animal features, not just relating to animals. would they be able to maintain citizenship, or would civil rights still apply to them? think of the civil debate about rights. everybody has mutations. that's why everyone looks different instead of looking like clones.

*announcer voice* The United states court system, everybody! Our tax dollars at work.

How slow a day does it have to be to need to fall back on something like this?

OutrageousEmu:
I've seen the X-men issues drawn by Liefeld. Nothing that looks like that could ever be considered human.

Nothing drawn by Liefeld could be considered human on any level. PERIOD.

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SidheKnight:

OutrageousEmu:
I've seen the X-men issues drawn by Liefeld. Nothing that looks like that could ever be considered human.

Nothing drawn by Liefeld could be considered human on any level. PERIOD.

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How dies he even use the shield if he looks like that? It can't be used to cover him anymore! His shield won't work as a shield!

..Wow, the U.S. courts are really stretching for topics to deliberate upon these days, aren't they?

It's a wonder you have such a perfected nation with a superb legal system that keeps its priorities straight every waking moment for the sake of freedom, liberty and.. Marvel. /sarcasm

I hope I'm not the only one that finds this hilarious given the storyline and message of the comics.

hahahaha.

SidheKnight:

OutrageousEmu:
I've seen the X-men issues drawn by Liefeld. Nothing that looks like that could ever be considered human.

Nothing drawn by Liefeld could be considered human on any level. PERIOD.

SNIP

Lol I can draw better than that... this guy gets paid for it? whut.

Now I have a sad.

oh jeez...next thing you know they'll be sending out the Sentinels D:

him over there:

Plurralbles:
"In the interest of saving money on taxes, these are action figures, not dolls"

You sir have made my day, and I fail to see how the character model classification of a figurine affects the shipping and what not. Shouldn't that be decided by things like how they are made and material or size or something. From what I gather from the article these will be the exact same toys but cheaper because:"dude there mutants, mutants can't be humans even if they look and act identical and are the exact same product." Just sort of messed up. X-men are still cool though so what

Well, it's not the shipping size or cost that means anything, but the demand on them. At least, that's what it seems to be.

We could make tariffs on wood tables but not on wood chairs if there's some justification for it, despite being the same material and weight and such, just to encourage domestic purchasing or to make money on table imports, for example. I imagine something similar was done for "non-human figures" versus "human figures," leading to this whole thing.

Stupid? Well, yeah, just a bunch.

I am officially ashamed to be human. Magneto, I'm sorry for cussing you throughout the movies, cartoons and comics.

Toys? Come on!

thaluikhain:
Hmmmm...I hate to say "Am I the only one?", but:

Am I the only one who thought of how this applies to Rule 34 stuff?

I mean, now it's beastiality to fancy X Men, but it's no longer pedophilia to fancy X Kids?

The ruling only applies to the toys, not the actual X-men. So it is tricky to apply Rule 34 in the context of nonhumans. But even if you could apply it, then there are still issues.

X-Men are declared not human. That doesn't mean they are automatically beasts. In fact they are mutants. So no, IMO it is not bestiality.

And fancying X-kids would still be pedophilia. Because pedophilia goes further than just children. In fact it includes everything that looks like a child, whether it is or isn't doesn't matter. So, if you have intercourse with a person that looks like a kid and you didn't ask for identification, then if someone reports you, you will be arrested. The interesting thing is that even if that person turns out to be 18+, you can (and probably will) still be persecuted, because you didn't know the person was an adult beforehand. Although this law isn't the same in every country.

China: were gonna charge you extra for your xmen dolls
US Courts: they're not dolls, their action figures! completely different

Torrasque:
Did anyone ever stop and say to everyone else: "Hey guys, why don't we stop arguing about this shit, leave it to the fanboys online, and do something else? After all, we're arguing about fucking plastic toys."

This is the most useless court case(s) I have ever heard about.
Whats next? Are they going to rule that Equestria is a blatant plagiarism of Austria and Equestrianism?
Maybe they want to have a ruling that pokemon are not monsters since some of them are pretty much copypasta IRL animals.

How about to combat obesity and promote better school lunches, they classify pizza a vegetable?

...you know, if they have to to even CONSIDER working on solving things like this, why not just take some time to-oh I don't know-FIX THE ACTUAL PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY.

TheNaut131:
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Maybe, just maybe we should talk to private schools, they seem to be the only ones who get how to run a school.
Back to the topic, just another reason why Government can't do anything right.
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Hated and Feared.

But really I read about this one ages ago and laughed then.

xXxJessicaxXx:
Lol I can draw better than that... this guy gets paid for it? whut.

Now I have a sad.

Hard to believe at one point in the 90's he was the most sort after new artist. Now he has the dubious honour of being considered both the worst comic artist and comic writer in history.

What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets. What is a mutant? A miserable little pile of secrets and superpowers.

Cue the, "we're not so different, you and I," montage.

Who actually gives a flying fuck? XD

Judge: "We must decide, this is a matter of life and death! Are the X men human or not!?"

Torrasque:
This is the most useless court case(s) I have ever heard about.

I would hazard a guess that Toy Biz, who now stands to receive what I would imagine to be a substantial amount of back tax money (large enough to justify actually spending the money taking this to court in the first place) from the government, would not agree with you.

*not human, Homo-Superior, not human, but something better.

*Makes you wonder what our tax money all gone to, isn't it?

*Why do this? unless... isn't this fantasy? (or is it?)

I'm trying to figure out why the tariffs are different in the first place. I like that the toy companies are trying to snag some loop holes. It's what they do. But really? how did the original tariff debate go down, that would be a transcript I'd like to see.

Wow, companies will go to great lengths to avoid as many tariffs as they can.

mad825:
Human? as in not Homo sapiens? We are nothing but a mere sub-category within the human evolution.

homo sapiens sapiens are humans. our ancersters are not technically "human". beside, home sapiens are the only ones that are alive anyway (as far as we know, though intelligence of some people make me doubt that).

Of course the X-Men are human. How can homo-superior be their own species when all their mutations are different? If you're going to classify them as a new species, you'd need a new species for each one, not some dodgy blanket term for anyone who can do weird shit.

The thing with the tariffs is stupid anyway. Why should they be taxed differently? So if you have personified animals that can speak and have human personalities, you can flog your merchandise cheaper than if you had done the sincere thing and actually depicted them as human? That's retarded.

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