Is Steve Jobs the 2nd Greatest Innovator of All Time?

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octafish:

Edwin Land pretty much is Steve Jobs and Woz in one person. Steve Jobs pretty much stole Land's life even down to the part were he got booted from the company he founded. I know Land had a hell of a lot of patents (from work he actually did unlike Edison), is he second in number of patents held?

Land got 444; Jerome Lemelson got 606

http://invention.smithsonian.org/about/about_patents.aspx

Steve Jobs? 323

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Real "innovative" there Steve.

Nouw:
I thought Thomas Edison copied everyone's ideas.

I believe you are correct
but great ideas are stolen rem.. who said that now.. oh right... steve jobs.

wasn't jobs rather the worlds greatest enabler? he didn't invent stuff himself but the made it possible for the actual tech guys to build it and then sold it to us at ridiculous prices.

also, why is zuckerburg on there but Zuse isn't? the guy invented the computer

A Free Man:
Because it isn't about the 'greatest innovator of all time' it's about the innovators who made things (or are believed by the majority to have made things) that are extremely popular. Calling an iPod an overpriced mp3 is actually demeaning what I think is one of my most used and most enjoyed devices that I have ever owned ever.

Alternating current in a way we use it today is a bit more popular than an iPod in my humble opinion. People take electricity for granted. It's depressing.

Excuse me, but where in the Hell is Nikola Tesla on that graph?

This is depressing....Not only is the author of this article completely correct about Steve Jobs, Thomas Eddison was also a cheat. He ripped off Tesla's idea with alternative current for example, without which we would not have the society we have today. Eddison was an important guy, but he was a fucking douchebag. Just like Steve Jobs. Not to mention that he fucking DESTROYED Tesla's life and rubbed his face in said destruction. And Tesla isn't even on the list...

What happened to Leonardo DaVinchi? Alfred Nobel? Literally everyone that isn't FUCKING MARK ZUCKERBERG?! This list is an abomination, now I'm depressed. Don't talk to me. I have to play something...

as stated by people in the comments.

No he ain't.

Every iPod I've ever owned has broken for no apparent reason after three years, without fail.

Apple do not make good products. This poll disappoints me.

The only people who should get any recognition from Apple is the marketing department.

A Free Man:
Calling an iPod an overpriced mp3 is actually demeaning what I think is one of my most used and most enjoyed devices that I have ever owned ever.

That's what it is though. Equally, the Bible is just a book. Equally, Yahtzee is just a guy with a sweet hat.

That is a pretty huge thing for me and for most others as well.

It shouldn't be. Your first kiss, the death of a loved one, moving out should be a huge thing. Not a freaking toy.

I have never heard of either of the two you offered. People shouldn't expect everyone to know information that isn't general taught at basic education levels.

People should be willing to learn after basic education levels. That's why they're called basic.

It's not the "Innovators that you've heard of", it's "Greatest Innovators of all Time". That means you should at least put some effort into researching Innovators before your time, rather than cradling your overpriced MP3 player.

Seriously, you have no idea how angry that comment made me.

So are these surveys from the same sample groups they use to find out that there are people who don't know the difference between the solar system and the galaxy?

As you can tell from a random sampling of a public comments section, open surveys only tell about a public perception, often from people with no knowledge of the relevant areas.

And reps to BlackStar42 - Tesla FTW.

leonardo da vinci
archimedes
charles babbage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference_engine

^not in the list of inventors/innovaters. makes me incredibly sad...

Abandon4093:
The only people who should get any recognition from Apple is the marketing department.

Amen brother. Amen.

The_root_of_all_evil:

A Free Man:
Calling an iPod an overpriced mp3 is actually demeaning what I think is one of my most used and most enjoyed devices that I have ever owned ever.

That's what it is though. Equally, the Bible is just a book. Equally, Yahtzee is just a guy with a sweet hat.

That is a pretty huge thing for me and for most others as well.

It shouldn't be. Your first kiss, the death of a loved one, moving out should be a huge thing. Not a freaking toy.

I have never heard of either of the two you offered. People shouldn't expect everyone to know information that isn't general taught at basic education levels.

People should be willing to learn after basic education levels. That's why they're called basic.

It's not the "Innovators that you've heard of", it's "Greatest Innovators of all Time". That means you should at least put some effort into researching Innovators before your time, rather than cradling your overpriced MP3 player.

Seriously, you have no idea how angry that comment made me.

I have an idea how angry that comment made you...Amen to everything you said, times infinity.

Togusa09:
So are these surveys from the same sample groups they use to find out that there are people who don't know the difference between the solar system and the galaxy?

As you can tell from a random sampling of a public comments section, open surveys only tell about a public perception, often from people with no knowledge of the relevant areas.

And reps to BlackStar42 - Tesla FTW.

Dude, this was freaking MIT. Last I checked, that's a pretty prestigious place. Just goes to show that higher education/more money doesn't at all equal common sense or wits. Though if you look at the poll, you can tell that only like 5-10% of everyone who answered it seem to be somewhat educated or smart. Basically, everyone who named Eddison just did what they probably were taught in first grade. Everyone who voted Steve Jobs is a fucking hipster. And then a few people voted Bell or Curie. Kinda representative of society as a whole almost :D

Steve Jobs? Mark Zuckerberg? Seriously, who are these 16-25 year olds they find to survey?

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Tempted to leave it at that, but seriously... The problem with user-voted lists like this is what the average person is not very smart... Of course STEVE JOBS is one of the most innovative people they know. For about 50% of people who voted on him I'd guess it was the only name on the list they even knew.

Where are people like Nikola Tesla and Da Vinci that were not only geniuses and great inventors in their own time, but ages ahead. TESLA DID THINGS WE STILL CAN'T REPLICATE!

Jobs was brilliant at marketing. He was shit at pretty much everything else.

And I'm not even going to dignify the survey designer's ignorant comments...

Augh... people...

im missing tesla, davinchi, possibly machiavelli, the men who invented mass producing, multiple romans ( yes roman empire ) etc. crap poll is crap and steve jobs is a tool who should be at the bottom.

I dont see why theres such hatred against steve jobs being in this poll. I'm a chunk of a way through his biography and you wouldn't believe what kind of difference he made in the world.

It was him and steve wozniak that created the first game of breakout, within restricted deadlines.
He already dreams and models of laptops built before the macintosh was even released.
He turned pixar into what it is now.
He gave the smartphone market the biggest kick up the backside it has ever received.
As above with the portable media.
Apple essentially created the cheap, ball mouse.

The list does go on. Yes, he was tyranic, controlling, demanding, cruel and everything else to everyone around him, but thats what made people get things done.

A specific piece I remember in the book is to do with the mouse. He asked his top engineer to create one with a ball that will cost $15. The engineer said it was impossible. He was sacked and replaced the next day with one who said he could do it.

Reading the book as well. Everyone who has worked for him have always enjoyed it and wouldn't have changed it. He might not have been an inventor, but he certainly had his hand in altering the industries he worked in perminantly.

Just good god. Honestly I don't think I've been this pissed at a poll in a very VERY long time. So no Tesla, no Da Vinci, hell I'd even take Gates and Wozniak as alternatives. And honestly, everyone already stole what I was gonna say so screw it. I'm just gonna be over here sulking now.

EDIT: Truth be told when posting this I believed it was a pure tech field (for some odd reason) upon looking at the comments I have realized how HORRENDOUSLY ignorant I was. I would like to add...basically every scientist to make a major discovery on this list. However, since that would likely take decades, I'll leave it at my additions out. Also, most people have stated them and no one is going to read this so screw it.

A Free Man:
People shouldn't expect everyone to know information that isn't general taught at basic education levels.

THESE ARE MIT STUDENTS! COLLEGE students! From a university of TECHNOLOGY!

I'd be shocked and horrified if these answers came from HIGH SCHOOL KIDS! Let alone people, at least, graduating in SCIENTIFIC FIELDS!

I'd be sad if High School kids didn't know Nikola Tesla, but whatever... But if you've never heard of names such as Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin, Coopernicus, Galileo, Da Vinci, Plato, Archemidis, Gutenberg, and many more... by high school... YOUR EDUCATION IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE.

This is baffling. This is akin so someone asking "Who are the greatest musicians of ALL TIME?" and someone saying Madonna and Justin Bieber...

Shouldnt Bill Gates be on this somewhere? Im sure he is more valid the Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3Ar-zk7lvA

Dont know how to get the video to show.

And where is Alan Sugar on this list. Who could forget Amstrad computers.

(that was a joke)

surely god is the best inventor of all time
-holds up flame shield-

sorry i couldn't resist

Matt King:
surely god is the best inventor of all time
-holds up flame shield-

sorry i couldn't resist

Well played sir. Well played.

Nope. Only Apple fanboy worship puts him in second place. Considering Mark Zuckerberg is in fifth place, I can't take this poll seriously. These guys ranked above Nikola Tesla? That, and Thomas Edison's "innovation" is also disputable. I have no doubt that he made some serious inventions, but there are serious controversies about some of his patents.

mindlesspuppet:
and Temple Grandin, well shit, I'll give that a WTF too.

I can explain that one. She studied animal psychology and noticed certain things about cows when they were being lead to the slaughterhouse, and how time consuming it was to make them move. So what she did is she designed and built a model for a slaughterhouse that was tuned to the animal's behavior, and they would literally walk themselves to the chopping block. And when it was built full scale on an actually slaughterhouse...IT WORKED.

Why is Steve Jobs in this list at all?

Why is Mark Suckerburg on this list?

These men have done nothing!

Edison should be beneath him for being a cunt and thinking that DC electricity was worth anyone's time or effort.

The real outcome of the questionnaire was that they found who have been the biggest dicks when it comes to patent law.

Macgyvercas:

I can explain that one. She studied animal psychology and noticed certain things about cows when they were being lead to the slaughterhouse, and how time consuming it was to make them move. So what she did is she designed and built a model for a slaughterhouse that was tuned to the animal's behavior, and they would literally walk themselves to the chopping block. And when it was built full scale on an actually slaughterhouse...IT WORKED.

She also did a lot of work on Autism and getting it noticed without being ridiculed, but still she was way behind innovators in that field like Skinner or Zimbardo.

The way this entire poll has been set up, this sounds like students telling an obvious hipster teacher what she wanted to hear - so as to gain extra marks.

Jobs was a good salesman. Nothing more.

edit: DOUBLE POST

BlackStar42:
OK, that's just depressing. The winner is a thief who stole everything from Tesla and invented the goddamned electric chair as a marketing device. If this is for the greatest innovator of all time, why not Alan Turing or Tim Berners-Lee? I'd say what they did ranks far, far higher than making an overpriced mp3 player.

This.

Alan Turing revolutionized the way science views the universe, namely, that order can come from chaos (and vice-versa). If it weren't for him, we would still be scratching our collective heads over weather patterns.

And Tim Berners-Lee, do I need to say more?

So basically the poll showed that MIT students are ignorant bubble boys who know nothing of history and events outside of their own country?

I mean, where is a guy like Pasteur? Before him and a few others, the bible was a biology book. God created humans and big animals and everything else spontaneously formed from dust. People actually believed that sort of nonsense. His experiments dealt those silly ideas a fatal blow, laying the basis for things like hygiene. Occasionally he also invented food preservation techniques, one of the reasons we aren't all dying from eating rotten food. Thinking of hygiene, likely your mother only survived giving birth to you because of Semmelweis.

Therumancer:

rhizhim:

mindlesspuppet:
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what about these dudes
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/do53dn.html

and who got the nobel price?
ok to be fair she died before she could recieve it and you know no prizes for dead people.(mostly) but then again who will be remembered the most?

Hmmm, well things like this are a touchy subject. While it can be argued that she came up with the basic theories, it was Watson an Crick who actually made them workable and did something with them, and that's generally what gets rewarded.

To put things into a certain kind of perspective, think about some of the current "patent trolls" out there right now. Over the last few years we've had people who copyrighted ideas for things like MMOs in some cases decades before they appeared, but had no idea on how to make them a reality.

The idea of a patent troll (which is actually legally reinforced) is to come up with something you think is potentially going to happen, patent the idea, and then show up to demand the profits when someone else makes it, based on your speculation.

yes but she basically researched the components of the dna (nucleotides, with backbones made of sugars and phosphate). she found almost everything. it feels unfair that she gets almost left out entirely.

its like this recent game where scientist found every component of an enzyme to combat hiv but they struggled to structure it so that it remainded stable. so they released a game where people could try to stabilize this enzyme and succeeded.
it would be like this sole 'gamer' would get all the recognition whereas the researchers get left out entirely.

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but you are right and i will give another example and try to remain in the gaming area.

what about this guy:

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Meet Tim Langdell, he is a trademark troll.
Tim, now a member of the board of directors of the International Game Developers Association, created a game named edge that was successfull in the 80's.

and he was so proud of it that he patented the WORD EDGE.(wtflol?)
and since has done practically nothing to develope anything.

so everytime someone uses the word "edge" in any form in their games, they get a lawsuit from this guys company.

like the game Mirror's Edge.
Tim went to court claiming tha mirrors Edge was infringing on his ip.

and when he lost the lawsuit what did he do?

he announced a new game, MIRRORS, a new game from EDGE
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to cash in as many dollars as he can on the work of others. (and he sometimes wins and gets at least a place on the credits of a game)

http://kotaku.com/5273141/trademark-troll-gets-mobigames-edge-taken-down

Edison was a fucking hack and an awful human being. He went up against Tesla and got his ass handed to him AC style. People throw around the phrase "ahead of its time" a lot, but it rarely ever applies. With Tesla it does. Tesla's ideas are still coming to fruition. He was ahead of his time in the truest sense. His genius seems more befitting of a sci-fi divergent American history novel than real life because it seems ridiculous for a man of his time to come up with the ideas he came up with. One of the most underrated men ever.

Caliostro:

A Free Man:
People shouldn't expect everyone to know information that isn't general taught at basic education levels.

THESE ARE MIT STUDENTS! COLLEGE students! From a university of TECHNOLOGY!

This is baffling. This is akin so someone asking "Who are the greatest musicians of ALL TIME?" and someone saying Madonna and Justin Bieber...

Ok well I'll admit that MIT students should probably know better. I didn't realise it was only a specific group of university students who undertook the poll.

I suppose the difference between music and innovators is that music is something that many people are interested in whereas innovators are not. I don't care what the name of the person who invented/discovered/designed a way to harness electricity is, as long as I can use the objects that I wish to. People actively listen to music and change their views on music as they hear it. So knowing the names of a band would be important to me so I can find more of their music etc. There are reasons to have an informed opinion on music whereas having an informed opinion on this top just doesn't appeal to a mainstream society. At least from what I understand.

The_root_of_all_evil:
That's what it is though. Equally, the Bible is just a book. Equally, Yahtzee is just a guy with a sweet hat.

Just because an object can be described in a dull fashion doesn't make it dull. Sure to you the bible is just a book but to some people they would die for the ideals presented within it. As for an iPod sure it is what the above person described it as but that doesn't change the fact that he is obviously applying some exagerated negative connotations in order to serve his point. Me pointing out this isn't worth arguing over I don't think.

It shouldn't be. Your first kiss, the death of a loved one, moving out should be a huge thing. Not a freaking toy.

Well not trying to offend but you are kind of taking this completely out of context. We were talking about innovators, I have never heard of the amazing innovators that designed my first kiss or the time I moved out. So to include them in points against me seems kind of unfair. I understand what you are saying but the fact is that I use my iPhone every day for a myriad of things to say that it shouldn't be a big part of my life doesn't mean anything to me. It is, simply because it is a tool I use that is extremely helpful. That doesn't mean I value it as much as actual people, or that if I didn't have access to it I would somehow break down. What you seem to be doing is making me out as some heartless person who cares for objects moreso than the people around him which is just not true at all.

People should be willing to learn after basic education levels. That's why they're called basic.

Well that is not exactly what I am saying. Obviously people will expand on their knowledge from their basic education however that expansion whether it be practical application or further academic study will generally be more specific then their original broad basic education. I am not saying people shouldn't know anything other then what basic education teaches I am saying that people shouldn't be expected to know things that aren't apart of it. If I learn accounting next year I could be the best accountant in the world and I still would have no idea who the true innovators in our world are, simply because that area does not interest me so studying it would be kind of pointless.

It's not the "Innovators that you've heard of", it's "Greatest Innovators of all Time". That means you should at least put some effort into researching Innovators before your time, rather than cradling your overpriced MP3 player.

Seriously, you have no idea how angry that comment made me.

Well that sounds kind of silly to me. It seems rather obvious that you can only vote for innovators that you have actually heard of. Expecting people to do otherwise is nonsensical. As for the research part, are you seriously telling me that if tomorrow a poll at your university asked you a question you would go and research the topic at hand so that you have a completely full view of the topic before answering? If so you must waste a lot of your time on fairly pointless endeaveurs.

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