Hindus Criticize Smite For "Trivializing" Their Religion

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Richardplex:
Saw this coming a mile away. Did think it was a bit odd for Hi Rez to include Hinduism along with dead religion's gods. Clearly, the only way to peacefully resolve this is to include Jesus as a hero.

Jesus wasnt a god he was a demi-god and therefore doesn't qualify

CentralScrtnzr:

CentralScrtnzr:

Pandabearparade:
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I bet the Christians would throw a much larger shitfit if Jesus was on the roster.

And the Muslims.. they can't take a joke at all.

All this is evidence that Hindus are more comfortable and confident with their religions. The rest is evidence that Muslims and Christians know, in their heart of hearts, the falseness of their religious beliefs. Thus they cannot tolerate criticism.

Actually, I should qualify this somewhat, so bear with me.

The inclusion of a religious figure in a video game probably has something to do with that figure's appeal. Truthfully, Jesus is boring. Jesus isn't a warrior or some dark magician akin to Odin; Jesus is just a hippy frequently depicted with long hair and gentile appearance. The appearance of Mohammed is even more nebulous, with depictions of him being strictly taboo. But, again, he was no warrior; and not being a warrior means not being a compelling character for a video game. By contrast, the whole Nordic Pantheon is extremely colorful and interesting, an easy set of themes to include in some form of media.

And even many Christians balk at the idea of a Jesus in video-games, not because they find the illustrations of their religious figure offensive, but actually because they see it as religious pandering, and thus below their pride.

Mohammed was very much a warrior he spent about 10 years of his life at war
but he was a prophet not a god

All of the religions they included except Hinduism are effectively dead religions. Equating Kali with 'dead' gods is problematic because it insinuates that Hinduism itself is a dead religion, and shows a lack of respect for it and its worshippers. Dead religions get exploited frequently by media such as video games to an extent living religions usually do not because few people get upset when they are insultingly misrepresented. Sticking Kali in a thong would definately constitute comoditizing her in a way that could easily be seen as insulting or at least distastefull to hindus. This combined with the fact that Kali was the only 'modern' god represented in their roster shows that the devs have a lack of respect for hinduism, and hindu culture. Sticking Jesus, Mohommed and Buddha in would help alleviate this problem, I think-but as it stands this is definately culturally insensitive at best.

dead religions live religions, I hope I'm not the only one who finds it hysterical that some gods are perfectly acceptably dead but others? no they're real.

CentralScrtnzr:

CentralScrtnzr:

Pandabearparade:
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I bet the Christians would throw a much larger shitfit if Jesus was on the roster.

And the Muslims.. they can't take a joke at all.

All this is evidence that Hindus are more comfortable and confident with their religions. The rest is evidence that Muslims and Christians know, in their heart of hearts, the falseness of their religious beliefs. Thus they cannot tolerate criticism.

Actually, I should qualify this somewhat, so bear with me.

The inclusion of a religious figure in a video game probably has something to do with that figure's appeal. Truthfully, Jesus is boring. Jesus isn't a warrior or some dark magician akin to Odin; Jesus is just a hippy frequently depicted with long hair and gentile appearance. The appearance of Mohammed is even more nebulous, with depictions of him being strictly taboo. But, again, he was no warrior; and not being a warrior means not being a compelling character for a video game. By contrast, the whole Nordic Pantheon is extremely colorful and interesting, an easy set of themes to include in some form of media.

And even many Christians balk at the idea of a Jesus in video-games, not because they find the illustrations of their religious figure offensive, but actually because they see it as religious pandering, and thus below their pride.

Well, Mohammed kind of was a warrior. I mean, after converting his bands to Islam how do you think control was gained over so much of the middle east? He started a guerilla war and his descendants basically conquered all that shit.Although, like Jesus, he's basically described as an ordinary guy. "Average height, brown hair, dark eyes, somewhat lighter than average skin." Seriously guess if I'm trying to describe Mohammed, Jesus or the guy who works at your local grocery store.

Berenzen:

Make it happen Hi-Rez.

Now THAT guy I would pray to.

Why did they even include a god from a living religion? You want a game with a bunch of gods in it, use DEAD religions, like Greek, Norse, and Egyptian mythologies, etc. Don't try and stir up controversy by throwing in gods that a lot of people actually still worship.

um..you guys keep saying dead religions....but you DO realise that many Pagans all over the world still worship the likes of Athena and Osiris and Odin ect?
many use them are reprisentations, true but they arent dead gods till no one remembers them or worships them.

that being said.
i have to agree that the probabl reason no one included the one-gods is just that. they are one gods. most dont have a physical form. some wont even allow any form of image.
pantheons are much more appealing becasue they have multiple deities to choose from.

oh, and the native american and other native tribes deites are ALSO still worshipped.
but i can also understand why worshipers could feel slighted by their particular deites being included in a war game.
however games are supposed to be entertaining, so its highly likely that any deity that is more interesting than a car salesperson, is going to be considered.

as to champions in LotR...well the Balrog comes instantly to mind, which also adds Gandalf. perhaps also the Witch King?

Thrall will keep the Lore lovers happy. THATS why he will last lol.

*edit
oooh, have any of you guys realised....after the census Jedi is a RECOGNISED RELIGEON....

I VOTE WE GET THE DARK SIDE VERSUS THE LIGHT SIDE IN A SCRAP....oh wait, we allready have that with Soul Calibur XD

Sick and tired of religions starting controversy because they're apparently too sacred to have their deities represented in any medium unless expressly allowed. Grow. The f***. Up. This is the 21st century, not everyone you know belongs to your religion, and even if they did they would be allowed to make a game featuring your gods in whatever light they decide. Good on the studio for sticking to its guns.

Also, as has already been said, for extra points make a playable Jesus. You could have the harbinger version where he pulls a sword out of his throat and wears bloodstained robes even. Jesus can be cool when he wants to be.

Lastly, I am an atheist, I am disappointed by the game's lack of a non-religion-derived character. Or at least that's what I would say if I were an oversensitive prick like our friend Zed.

Considering how uppity people here get over videogames... is it really wrong that other people do too?

Seems that way.

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Triforceformer:
I'll be honest, I'm on the side of Rajan. Take Gods from dead religions, sure, but something just feels like a big "Fuck you" in having Gods from a religion that so many people worship and live by being reduced to little pawns in a video game. Hi-Rez actually made it seem worse when my friend asked about this and they said they were going to avoid Christian, Jewish and Muslim deities because they wished to avoid offending people. I may be remembering the exact words wrong, but it was certainly along the lines of avoiding those three specifically. This was before Rajan spoke out against this, mind.

My point is, it's fine if you want to take the Gods of dead religions and use those, but taking the Gods that millions of people worship and believe in for the sake of having them kill each other in a MOBA (And in Kali's case, shamelessly sexualize) is just disgusting to my eyes. So unless I see Jesus Christ, the Jewish God's forms and whatever Muslims got going on rocking it with Agni and Kali in Right Lane, I am not giving Hi-Rez a red cent for pure hypocrisy and disrespect to something so many people hold dear. Either offend everyone or don't bother.

Frankly, I agree. I notice that all of the other religions in this game are mostly dead, though there are various pagan sects who worship the old gods - only Hinduism is being portrayed, and it still has a large following. Make a game with gods, sure, but either include every "current" religion or none at all. They could just as easily stick to ancient myth; they just want more attention for the game.

As I'm not generally interested in fighting games, I'll give this one a pass.

Somewhere, Catholicism is saying, "HOW'S IT FEEL?"

Didn't Tomb Raider or someone already do this?

Cheesepower5:
I wonder what the Hindu commentators from this particular group would think of many Hindu gods' portrayals in the Shin Megami Tensei series? They're fairly true to the mythology and never really flaunted, but at the same time it is something like reducing their gods to stats and numbers, if you really choose to think of it as such.

Speaking as someone who's currently looking into Hinduism, I've been pretty fascinated by the SMT portrayals. Their codex entries appear to be accurate, they're beautifully drawn, and they didn't just thoughtlessly stick a goddess in a bikini, unlike this game. They actually did research.

Kakulukia:
Shiva's been in Final Fantasy for over twenty years. Has the Universal Society of Hinduism ever complained about that? No? What makes Smite so special then?

I thought the name Shiva was chosen because it sounds a bit like like "shiver"? I may be mistaken, however. Also, FF's Shiva bears little to no resemblance to the god Shiva, unless you count the blue skin, but that's it.

Flight:

Cheesepower5:
I wonder what the Hindu commentators from this particular group would think of many Hindu gods' portrayals in the Shin Megami Tensei series? They're fairly true to the mythology and never really flaunted, but at the same time it is something like reducing their gods to stats and numbers, if you really choose to think of it as such.

Speaking as someone who's currently looking into Hinduism, I've been pretty fascinated by the SMT portrayals. Their codex entries appear to be accurate, they're beautifully drawn, and they didn't just thoughtlessly stick a goddess in a bikini, unlike this game. They actually did research.

Hinduism is a good religion, or at least as good as any dogma about controlling people and imposing beliefs can get. The lore is fascinating, the culture is ancient and storied and it's really applaud-able that SMT is able to do it well at all. And to its credit, it handles pretty much everything more or less true to myth. With the odd visual pun or "I turned Hades into an anthropomorphic motorcycle because why the fuck not?" Either way, it works.

http://games.adultswim.com/bible-fight-action-online-game.html

there is already a game where you can play as Jesus.

Silverbane7:
um..you guys keep saying dead religions....but you DO realise that many Pagans all over the world still worship the likes of Athena and Osiris and Odin ect?
many use them are reprisentations, true but they arent dead gods till no one remembers them or worships them.

that being said.
i have to agree that the probabl reason no one included the one-gods is just that. they are one gods. most dont have a physical form. some wont even allow any form of image.
pantheons are much more appealing becasue they have multiple deities to choose from.

oh, and the native american and other native tribes deites are ALSO still worshipped.
but i can also understand why worshipers could feel slighted by their particular deites being included in a war game.
however games are supposed to be entertaining, so its highly likely that any deity that is more interesting than a car salesperson, is going to be considered.

as to champions in LotR...well the Balrog comes instantly to mind, which also adds Gandalf. perhaps also the Witch King?

Thrall will keep the Lore lovers happy. THATS why he will last lol.

*edit
oooh, have any of you guys realised....after the census Jedi is a RECOGNISED RELIGEON....

I VOTE WE GET THE DARK SIDE VERSUS THE LIGHT SIDE IN A SCRAP....oh wait, we allready have that with Soul Calibur XD

With the Pagan revivial religions such as the Norse, Druid etc pantheons there is no continuous unbroken period of worship. There were large stretches of time where these religions were not worshiped at all. The modern versions are reinterprutations of these religions, not an evolution of them. There is no cultural connection between the modern and ancient versions. As such, I would classify them as seperate religions. While I understand that no-ones culture is more 'authentic' than another, I do not have a great deal of respect for most revival religions because they are essentially taking the religion of another culture and comoditizing them into something that is acceptable for them to consume-exactly what this game is doing. The representations of the various 'dead' gods in this game should not be offensive to these groups because the devs are doing exactly what those worshippers are doing. Hinduism on the other hand, has existed unbroken for the duration of its existance. While it has undoubtedly changed over this period, it has done so at the behest of the culture in which it has developed.

Various Native American religions are still worshipped, but are more or less in the same pot as Hinduism.

Lumping Hinduism in with a bunch of religions that are no longer worshipped is insulting because it implies that the developers don't acknowledge the existance of Hindus/Hindu gamers or don't value their opinion or culture. Including some figures from the Abrahamic faiths would go a long way to equalizing that by at least saying they value the input of all of the major religions equally (even if they then had Kali in a thong and jesus in a bananna hammock)

hm..i never realy considered whether or not the representations of the modern pagan worshiped versions would be thought of in the same way as the older mythical time versions of said gods and goddesses.

i think some of the revival is due to television shows that reminded folks (ie xena and hercules various gods ect) and some is the age old trying to be different.

and in a way, i kinda (personaly) agree with the poster saying at least their gods ar cool compared to ours. most modern religeons gods are so simple in appearance, its no wonder developers have to find alternatives.
while they could have gone on and used more fantasy based pantheons, i guess they are more worried about having to ask the estates of writers to do that....i expect it costs a lot of money to include gods from fiction when they are owned by (or managed by) living people (such as gods from fiction like LotR or Conan ect)

the reason i mentioned it (and incidentaly, had to regester to do so lol) was because the phrase Dead Gods is a pet peve of mine. i dont realy consider a God *dead* as such, untill they are forgotten totaly (probably because my first reading about such a thing came from ADnD and the Dragon supliment about dead gods as game mechanics..till then i had never even though that gods like Osiris and Thor might be considered *dead* lol)

i suppose the put Kali in a thong becasue she is depicted as a female, and we are used to seeing warrior women in fighting games depicted in scanty armour. prehaps if they gave her a more authentic set of armour? something at least more realistic for a goddess of war, than a string bikini? what warrior woman (or goddess) in her right mind would wear such scanty protection, unless she was totaly impervious to blows. i would prefer a decent set of enchanted (blessed) chainmail at least *grins* if it were me doing the fighting (rather than the playing. i suck at fighting games)

albino boo:
All these gaming studious being hip and gritty to make a controversy by insulting a group that won't hit back becomes somewhat tiresome. I would praise them if them made Mohamed a player character but of course that means they might have to risk their life. Like all playground bullies they can dish it out, but run away from anything that they stand a real risk with.

There's nothing to indicate that the point of the game is to piss off people of the Hindu faith. This isn't like with that whole Danish cartoon controversy where a bunch of cartoonists thought it would be fun to piss off a bunch of Muslims.

Silverbane7:

oooh, have any of you guys realised....after the census Jedi is a RECOGNISED RELIGEON....

I VOTE WE GET THE DARK SIDE VERSUS THE LIGHT SIDE IN A SCRAP....oh wait, we allready have that with Soul Calibur XD

Aren't most of those people just atheists and agnostics dicking around with the census. Also, are we talking about Britain here?

.....So it's ok if say....TELEVISION highlights your religion but not when a game does the exact same thing? YAAAAAY MARGINALIZATION.

aattss:
Why is Wukong a character? I thought he was a character from one of the 4 epic novels? Since when was he part of the mythology? Meh... whatever.

Probably because his story includes a lot of Buddhist ideals, monks, and I think Buddha himself in it would be my guess.
It should come as no surprise that people will be upset if you put one of their figures of faith in a game they're gonna get mad. I seem to recall Christian groups getting uppity about Dante's Inferno game's whole concept. When they should've been getting upset cause it was not a very good game. That being said I think it is in somewhat poor taste to include figures from a very much active religion.

I'm going to leave before the dick waving competition going on in this thread makes me punch a wall.

jpz719:
.....So it's ok if say....TELEVISION highlights your religion but not when a game does the exact same thing? YAAAAAY MARGINALIZATION.

Well its seems that the guy pissed off more about the fact that they are being controlled by a mere human rather than the fact that they are being depicted in a video game. If in was just a cutscenes then it would probably be different, though he's really just splitting hairs.

As a catholic, all I have to say is 'CRY SOME MORE'. I've encounter more then a few games that have an analogue for the church that winds up being a corrupt group that secretly worships the devil. At least all you get is "trivialized". Also, I want a playable Jesus but I want it so its so over the top ridiculously offensive that it becomes awesome.

So games made for and by humans shouldn't be used by humans according to him if it references religion?

Some butthurt hindu's complain about their religion being trivialised in a game

"Oh god fucking religious nutjobs, religion is dumb etc, it's only a game, cry more"

Some batshit feminist complains about their gender being trivialised in a game

"Oh god what a brave woman standing up to this horde of misogynist trolls, have all my money!"

Mr.Squishy:
"Pastafarians criticize Smite for trivializing the flying spaghetti monster". Same thing, really.

This summarizes my feelings.

Just like ANY OTHER religion, go cry your eyes out cause the big bad man tried to tell you Sant-y Clause doesn't exist.

If the whole world was up 20 IQ points, this wouldn't be an issue.

Eyelicker:
Some butthurt hindu's complain about their religion being trivialised in a game

"Oh god fucking religious nutjobs, religion is dumb etc, it's only a game, cry more"

Some batshit feminist complains about their gender being trivialised in a game

"Oh god what a brave woman standing up to this horde of misogynist trolls, have all my money!"

False equivalence. Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

I think this recent hooplah about female tropes is nothing short of overblown to an asinine degree, but there is an issue behind it.

I wonder what would happen if someone made a fighting game involving the god of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism?

Hammeroj:

Eyelicker:
Some butthurt hindu's complain about their religion being trivialised in a game

"Oh god fucking religious nutjobs, religion is dumb etc, it's only a game, cry more"

Some batshit feminist complains about their gender being trivialised in a game

"Oh god what a brave woman standing up to this horde of misogynist trolls, have all my money!"

False equivalence. Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

I think this recent hooplah about female tropes is nothing short of overblown to an asinine degree, but there is an issue behind it.

Blasphemy insults someones way of life, you could argue that religion is even more important and personal to someone than gender, which really only defines you very superficially.

Honestly, I think both these people and the recent feminist surge are equally as retarded, but these guys have a slightly less retarded premise to stand on.

Truly-A-Lie:
I said it when they complained about Asura's Wrath and I'll say it again now. If they didn't consider games like Dante's Inferno or shows like Supernatural using Christian theology trivialising and offensive to Christianity, they have no ground to stand on now. You can't hold yourself to a higher standard than anyone else. "You can play with Jesus and Satan all you like because that's fine, but don't touch Vishnu. He's special." is just hypocritical and undermines whatever argument you may have had.

I think there's a difference between Dante's Inferno, which is based on a classic work of Christian pseudo-theology, and having the Gods themselves beat each other up for points.

I feel like it's perfectly acceptable to ask for respect when it comes to the treatment of your deities. They aren't even demanding a boycott or anything; they're just voicing their upset. I can understand that. I don't believe in God, Hindu or not, but I can understand being upset to see your culture treated like that. It underscores a general frustration I think a lot of people from the East have when it comes to how trivialized and misrepresented their religions are. I can understand that. I don't think it's whiny or dumb.

Buretsu:

Scrustle:
Oh boo fucking hoo. Get over it, your religion isn't special.

Exactly. This is just like those muslims getting up in arms over those cartoons depicting Mohammed.

That business about Mohammed(peace be upon Him) was far worse than this. That was about a cartoon in a Danish newspaper that defied the Quran and Islam, depicting Mohammed's face. This is about the believers of Hinduism being offended by the depiction of their gods in a videogame. As far as I know, there is not a tenant in the Śruti, Smriti or any others that prohibits the depiction of or use of their gods as objects of entertainment.

I'm just waiting for a God-of-War-like game starring a chain-smoking/wise-cracking Jesus beating up religious figures from other religions.

If it bothers them so much they shouldn't buy it. That's it. Religious people should feel free to make fun of atheist's beliefs in their games too, though. Not sure how that would work...

Eyelicker:
Blasphemy insults someones way of life, you could argue that religion is even more important and personal to someone than gender, which really only defines you very superficially.

Honestly, I think both these people and the recent feminist surge are equally as retarded, but these guys have a slightly less retarded premise to stand on.

Uh, yeah, if you define gullibility, ignorance, egocentricity, arrogance and probably quite a few other negative traits as a way of life, sure. It's just like insulting that.

People will get offended by anything, and they don't have a right to be free from getting offended.

then just use those monsters the old testament call angles.

Hammeroj:

Eyelicker:
Blasphemy insults someones way of life, you could argue that religion is even more important and personal to someone than gender, which really only defines you very superficially.

Honestly, I think both these people and the recent feminist surge are equally as retarded, but these guys have a slightly less retarded premise to stand on.

Uh, yeah, if you define gullibility, ignorance, egocentricity, arrogance and probably quite a few other negative traits as a way of life, sure. It's just like insulting that.

People will get offended by anything, and they don't have a right to be free from getting offended.

"HURR DURR everyone who is religious is stupid and gullible and arrogant cos I saw a documentary on the westburo baptist church.!" Don't prejudge a whole massive group of people. I'm an atheist, but have met plenty of decent reasonable religious people. Self righteous atheists like you are just as unpleasant and obnoxious as religious zealots. Religion can also promote a lot of positive traits and values too.

I agree though that freedom from censorship is more important though. And anyone who gets butthurt over a game be them a batshit feminist or a religious zealot needs to fucking get over themselves and turn the other cheek.

It's either all game or everything becomes out of bounds.

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