Catholics, Buddhists Join Hindu Protests Against Smite

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Zing:
When it comes to religion, what constitutes an insult is purely subjective(in most cases). If I said Christianity was idiotic and is holding back humanity to a Christian, they would very likely take it as an insult, even though I truly believe that is the truth, and it's not meant as an insult.

How can you reason that that is not an insult?

Also I need to point this out again as people seem to not like to read the OP properly and not bother to read the thread but 1 person =/= A representation of the group's opinion especially when that member is of one of the lower ranks or in one case not even a member. Even at that can you not just be happy for once that they're trying to show a bit of understanding for other views?

This game is not a Fighting game. It is a Dota/ARPG/Moba game. I don't know where people got this was a fighting game.

They are not saying the game shouldn't be made just that it should show more respect to the deities. All they are doing is advocating followers of their religions not to buy it.

That said I think they are being very silly but some of the people in this thread are being many orders of magnitude worse than these people.

Glademaster:

How can you reason that that is not an insult?

I already explained why. I really can't elaborate anymore than that. I consider it fact, how can facts be insulting?

Zing:

Glademaster:

How can you reason that that is not an insult?

I already explained why. I really can't elaborate anymore than that. I consider it fact, how can facts be insulting?

Just because you believe something is true and don't mean it as an insult does not suddenly make it uninsulting. No it isn't a fact and apparently a real fact can be an insult such as the current colour of ones hair. Although, if you are trying to get at gravity not being insulting that is flawed statement compared to what you said.

This is pretty much what these people are doing. As in they are religious believe their deities are fact and thus find these representation insulting.

Edit: To add to this if someone believes the Escapist is an uptight elitist cesspool with draconian moderation as fact does that make them saying that any less insulting?

Glademaster:

Just because you believe something is true and don't mean it as an insult does not suddenly make it uninsulting. No it isn't a fact and apparently a real fact can be an insult such as the current colour of ones hair. Although, if you are trying to get at gravity not being insulting that is flawed statement compared to what you said.

This is pretty much what these people are doing. As in they are religious believe their deities are fact and thus find these representation insulting.

What's your reasoning that it isn't a fact? The universe is billions of years old, we evolved from apes, we did not all descend from two people, the texts that represent these religions are man-made, fictional and full of contradictions and medieval nonsense. These are facts, my friend.

Edit: To add to this if someone believes the Escapist is an uptight elitist cesspool with draconian moderation as fact does that make them saying that any less insulting?

Opinion. What constitutes "draconian moderation" or an "uptight elitist cesspool" is subjective. Science is by definition, objective, and based on real evidence.

I just hope they (Smite developers) don't portray my god *glances meaningfully at Antonio Banderas shrine* in a negative light...

But why are the religous peeps getting all in a tizzy about this? I'm sure at some point a priest has gone "Jeez, I wonder who would win in a fight between Jesus and Ganesh..." well it seems like they might get a chance to find out soon... It's a good thing! *Thumbs up*

(No, I don't know anything about Smite...)

If Kali is pissed, then it can probably take care of itself, with all the swords and whatnot. What's more theologically disrespectful than thinking you to have to defend your indisposed god?

Anyway, the religious are free to tell the game designers to shut up, and everyone else am equally free to do the same towards the religious.

The amount of immaturity and intolerance in this thread is pretty terrible - but it's not surprising considering the Escapists crowd.

I really don't understand why everyone here who claims themselves to be Atheist seems to find it ok that they can keep calling a religious deity an imaginary friend, that's no better than the religious folks calling you heathens or sinners.
I'm not religious at all but the attitude most people are taking here is complete bullshit, all most a perverse pleasure in seeing gaming taking a leg up over religion.

Imagine if this was the other way around and it was a religious funded project that had everyone play as a vengeful deity come to purge the atheists off the face of the Earth?
You bet this forum would be in uproar with the usual how dare they.

Lyri:
The amount of immaturity and intolerance in this thread is pretty terrible - but it's not surprising considering the Escapists crowd.

I really don't understand why everyone here who claims themselves to be Atheist seems to find it ok that they can keep calling a religious deity an imaginary friend, that's no better than the religious folks calling you heathens or sinners.

Heathen is not an insulting word. I AM a heathen, all Atheist/Agnostics are heathens by definition. Heathen is literally a word to describe non-believers.

Similarly, by that religious persons belief, I am also a sinner, this doesn't bother me either because I don't believe the consequence that would classify me as a sinner to people of this or that faith.

A deity IS an imaginary friend. There is no evidence of its existence, no one has ever seen it.

Lyri:
Imagine if this was the other way around and it was a religious funded project that had everyone play as a vengeful deity come to purge the atheists off the face of the Earth?
You bet this forum would be in uproar with the usual how dare they.

That actually sounds cool. But which religion is the right one? And does that religious deity that has been deemed the "right one" kill followers of other religions just because they were wrong?

No such game would exist because, if anything, it highlights the problems with religion.

trivialize? to be fair Kali is probably the most OP character in the game... easily getting 4 times the kills of the other characters and 1/3'd the deaths....

but its nice to see some co-operation here....

Zing:

Lyri:
The amount of immaturity and intolerance in this thread is pretty terrible - but it's not surprising considering the Escapists crowd.

I really don't understand why everyone here who claims themselves to be Atheist seems to find it ok that they can keep calling a religious deity an imaginary friend, that's no better than the religious folks calling you heathens or sinners.

Heathen is not an insulting word. I AM a heathen, all Atheist/Agnostics are heathens by definition. Heathen is literally a word to describe non-believers.

Similarly, by that religious persons belief, I am also a sinner, this doesn't bother me either because I don't believe the consequence that would classify me as a sinner to people of this or that faith.

A deity IS an imaginary friend. There is no evidence of it's existence, no one has ever seen it.

Lyri:
Imagine if this was the other way around and it was a religious funded project that had everyone play as a vengeful deity come to purge the atheists off the face of the Earth?
You bet this forum would be in uproar with the usual how dare they.

That actually sounds cool. But which religion is the right one? And does that religious deity that has been deemed the "right one" kill followers of other religions just because they were wrong?

No such game would exist because, if anything, it highlights the problems with religion.

Well, the difference is that you don't care either way. Religious people do. And the devs are using religious icons to make money. They are taking something that people hold dearly in their hearts, an icon that gives them hope and inspiration, and using it to extract cash from adolescents screaming at each other over the chat channels about how big their e-penises are.

I wouldn't usually care about this issue, but whenever someone's response to hurt feelings is 'QQ some more', ignoring the the thoughts and emotions of a human being just because it's uncomfortable for them, well, gets on my tits a bit.

Right one, wrong one doesn't come into this. Just a little bit of empathy for an issue people hold close would be nice.

[shrug] Ah well. Can't stop people being people I guess.

A game that looks pretty mediocre sure is getting a lot of free publicity! Good for them.

beniki:

Well, the difference is that you don't care either way. Religious people do. And the devs are using religious icons to make money. They are taking something that people hold dearly in their hearts, an icon that gives them hope and inspiration, and using it to extract cash from adolescents screaming at each other over the chat channels about how big their e-penises are.

I wouldn't usually care about this issue, but whenever someone's response to hurt feelings is 'QQ some more', ignoring the the thoughts and emotions of a human being just because it's uncomfortable for them, well, gets on my tits a bit.

Right one, wrong one doesn't come into this. Just a little bit of empathy for an issue people hold close would be nice.

[shrug] Ah well. Can't stop people being people I guess.

Who says I don't care? I care about willfully ignorant religious people impeding artistic process and freedom of speech. You're using hyperbole to over generalize the game, how do you think the devs feel? They've spent months and months making this game and now these groups claim that it "trivializes" these "supreme beings". Sorry, but I say that these groups are trivializing the work of Hi-Rez Studio. And to me, their work is FAR more important than ANY religion.

Lyri:
I really don't understand why everyone here who claims themselves to be Atheist seems to find it ok that they can keep calling a religious deity an imaginary friend, that's no better than the religious folks calling you heathens or sinners.

Because most Atheist think gods are imaginary friends. And we are heathens and sinners by many religious standards. Only the religious see something wrong with that. Not an insult to us.

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Personally, I try to live and let live with religious people. They stay the hell off my metaphorical lawn, and we are good, but when they come traipsing over and demand that I take down my metaphorical football goal because it offends them. Then They better be prepared for a metaphorical dead chipmunk to be hurled into their yard. Metaphorically.

-.-

Anyway, they make fun of us all the time. Trust me, I lived with religious people for years. They make ass fun of atheists and evolutionists. This game isn't even really making fun of the gods, its just making an all out brawl fest between them all. Hell, I may even give it a shot now, despite my intense distaste for that "game-which-must-not-be-named"

*le sigh*

1337mokro:

Scorpid:

1337mokro:
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Apparently you are not smart enough to get that "Jesus story 2006" is just a parody video game title and it implies the entire bible. Not to mention that apparently the only people who are capable of forming an opinion about religion HAVE to be part of that religion.

I am a little fuzzy on the whole good bad "only people who are capable"... part... Having of studied many religions over the years I have formed plenty of opinions concerning the how's and why's of various faiths. Unless your being facetious... which (come to think of it) I think you are. Nicely done.

My comment about Other M was, you have no idea why people were outraged, because you haven't played the game, you don't know what is in the content.

I simply found Other M to be a classic example of weakly written Japanese narrative. It is surprisingly difficult to write for a female lead character on the one hand, on the other, the writer's really didn't know what to do with the character outside of make her submissive in the context of Japanese culture... as he saw it. It's video games, I would think at this point we are all accustomed to incredibly bad writing. The need for a love interest was redundant in the context of the character... just another narrative brick that dragged the game down.

I on the other hand know why these people are outraged and have also played the game. They are pissed because their deities are depicted in a game where they fight each other. They aren't pissed because their deities were given completely different characters from sequel to sequel. They aren't complaining that the depiction of Kali The Destroyer <- is uncharacteristic to the source material.

That assumes they have actually played it. I doubt this. This group as I mentioned in previous post have protested other commercial products that use Hindu deities in the naming structure. They seem to have a problem with "fair use", more than "context". Feel free too look it up.

You are comparing a group complaining about the depiction of an established character to a group who are complaining simply because the game depicts their deities. That is your logical fallacy. One isn't protesting the depiction of a character but the way the character was depicted in consistency with PREVIOUS depictions. The other is protesting the mere presence of their deities in the game itself.

It's this... the protest is about the depiction of the deities or naming structure associated with anything in a commercial setting. There is evidence to support this thesis. They just happened to have picked on this, I suspect someone sent them something to get them upset to push the marketing for the game... but that is just a guess.

You can have an opinion on how something should be depicted sure. However what you can have but I will never allow you to enforce is the opinion that something should NEVER be depicted. That is the difference my good man. You seem to be nicely entrenched in Other M but you seem to forget not a single complaint actually read "They should never depict Samus in a game".

Had a similar thought above myself... respect where people are coming from, disagree with the conclusion. As I recalled I had mentioned if this was "India" this game could not be made, as it would of been censured without debate.

That is the demand posed by the Buddhists. Depicting their supreme beings in a videogame trivializes them they say therefore it should not be done.

I detailed above some very grievous issues I have with this "so called" Buddhist Reverend. I have since contacted his Sanga and asked him to explain his position concerning both the "Shame" of the developers, and the "Supreme Beings" comment.

He apparently was trained in Soto Zen, and now teaches at a Jodo (pure land Mahayana) school. To reference your previous comment, yes, I have trained for many years in Soto and the comment about respecting Supreme Beings is a Spock "Eyebrow Raiser". So far my investigation has revealed that Mr. Phil is not qualified to hold the position that he claims under either lineage, and that he has chosen to be a "Reverend" for tax exemption purposes. He has never been "ordained" by a Soto or Jodo lineage.

He is "just some guy" playing Buddhist in a "Sanga" which is a building of about 10-20 people that "study" there. The difficulty with westernized Jodo is that it is often confused as being compatible or even "Christian" in is etymology. I suspect it was his dislike for Soto (which is inherently atheist) and went to Jodo with in about a year. The other issue with this is that to become a "teacher" in this case requires about 8 years give or take... this is of course not the case, his transition was less than a year... when his teacher passed away. He took on the sanga.

He is technically teaching Buddhism such as the noble eight-fold path, and methodologies of arising, BUT the context is (in my estimation) in error. His Buddhism more closely resembles that of an Indian Buddhist amalgamated with Hinduism and it's pantheon. I'm thinking this modification is in part an attempt to get into this Unitarian religious club in Reno.

Zen - in general - has little to no use for deities, spirits, nonsense, mumbo jumbo, and certainly has no tenant for "Respecting Supreme Beings" of other faiths. The very idea of a mind concocting such an entity is in and of itself a sign of a deluded mind outside of the Dharma.

That one should seek a stillness and equanimity (in an effort for self-liberation), is certainly a part of zazen and sesshin, but to condemn someone outside of "personal experience", a product outside of "personal experience", on a topic outside of "personal experience" is a big no-no. It's intellectually dishonest, contrary to this form of practice.

However let's just get on to the actual meat of the matter here.

I don't HAVE to defend myself for the simple reason that I refuse to abide by other people dictating what can and cannot be depicted in a game, book, movie, song, cartoon or even a child's scribbling in the corner of his notebook.

There IS no discussion because I refuse to accept any circumstance where I cannot touch a subject because it is Divine, Sensitive or simply Off Limits. I refuse to compromise on any front to make you feel better now that people aren't talking or depicting what you believe in any form of media.

That is not going to happen.

Sounds good to me.

People campaigning for limitations on this are not worthy of going in debate with. They DEMAND I have respect and reference for their beliefs when nothing merits that. They demand everyone else mind them and not thread on their toes. They have already lost by demanding things from me they have not earned and go even further by demanding that everyone on earth abide by their desires.

The audacity and arrogance is astounding. To demand that everyone, regardless of their own believes to respect and honour your beliefs and prevent them from being used for any purposes but your own.

Part of this comes from a fairly right wing approach to Hinduism and by that Brahmanism which implies that the depiction of a God or whatever does "enact" the God, like a summon. It's a belief that is of course trope in SMT.

I have never met a teacher of Japanese flavored Buddhism that ever believed such a thing... well until now... which is why I question the "Japan Buddhism" of it. Being completely honest, I am mildly shocked at his comment.

As far as the Hindu practitioners, they seem to come in two flavors... easy going, and right wing. Most the ones I know are easy going, having of only met one right winger we went our separate ways pretty quickly.

Most the Catholics that I have encountered perceive Buddhism as Gnostic at best, and borderline (or outright) Satanism at worst. Takes all kinds to make a world I suppose.

Well guess what, if you really believe we should all mind these people so much and carefully thread around them let me start a new Church of Kali In Videogames. We have only one rule. Kali must be included in every videogame ever made, even retro-actively. Not having Shiva in a game offends me and I am going to protest that every game, no matter whether it needs to or not, includes a playable Kali character.

You had me at nonsense. ;) Take it easy.

This game reminds me of a bad comic book.

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Seriously, there was a comic where Jesus and Zeus beat the shit out of each other. It was as stupid as it sounded.

THen again, it was written by Rob Liefeld.

Well I was going to jump on the train with the "Who cares? Get over it" whistle without defending their stance... But I guess I see the dangerous precedent here for them, a few games isn't a problem and I'd call them wrong if they think it is. But the real issue may be more present in the steps it will take for them to end up like Norse or Greek mythology with a Disney movie and McDonald's tie in merchandise. That? I would agree is probably pretty disrespectful to religion on a scale that games will never reach.

If we keep shouting out "It's just a few games" it might quickly be more than just a few games and it's hard to stop a ball once it gets rolling.

I guess I'll give them a half hearted apology for continuing to not care, people think worse things about religion than a game will ever portray on a daily basis and Hindu does not see the worst of it. The best internet phenomenon I can probably evoke the name of here to prove my point is likely Rule 34. On that assumption I'd have to say this ball started rolling the first time any mortal being decided that the gods had no power over this world.
Good luck stopping it now. You are all a few thousand years late for that I think.

Lyri:
The amount of immaturity and intolerance in this thread is pretty terrible - but it's not surprising considering the Escapists crowd.

I really don't understand why everyone here who claims themselves to be Atheist seems to find it ok that they can keep calling a religious deity an imaginary friend, that's no better than the religious folks calling you heathens or sinners.

Sure, on both counts. Considering the frame of reference, someone who has little to no grounds or acculturation for a belief in undetectable beings are certainly at liberty to use derogatory and inflammatory remarks in reference to another person with such a belief as having an "imaginary friend".

Someone who has a creed or code of moral or ethical hygiene is also certainly at liberty to refer to those whom they perceive as having flexible morality and ethics as being both heathens (outside of the faith), and sinners.

Both posits are perfectly fine and fit nicely with the human beings predisposition to develop social groups that are inclusive to the group, and exclusive to contrary points of view. Perfectly consistent with plain ole' average human behavior.

I'm not religious at all but the attitude most people are taking here is complete bullshit, all most a perverse pleasure in seeing gaming taking a leg up over religion.

Is it bullshit, looks like pretty generic human behavior and responses to positions outside of a personal frame of reference. Fight or Flight... nothing to run from, so straw man it. It's so classic it should be in a museum.

The lack of civility is perhaps indicative of a maturity level... probably some ground there... however, the religious ground being discussed in the article suggest a complete removal or shutdown of the intellectual property of a 3rd party, on no better grounds than, it's offensive to said small group. That is simply not reasonable in a free society. Knee's jerk... that should be of no surprise.

Imagine if this was the other way around and it was a religious funded project that had everyone play as a vengeful deity come to purge the atheists off the face of the Earth?
You bet this forum would be in uproar with the usual how dare they.

Sounds like a cool story... but I can think of four relatively modern games off the top of my head... The Rapture, Left Behind 1, 2, and 3.

Upon its release, Eternal Forces was subject to criticism from various watchdog groups claiming that it promoted religious warfare and bigotry.[23] Attorney Jack Thompson, who had strongly criticized violence in other video games, was particularly displeased with the game. Thompson claimed "The game is about killing people for their lack of faith in Jesus," which he claimed made it incompatible with basic Christian doctrine, and subsequently broke his connections with Left Behind publisher Tyndale House.[24]

What else ya got?

Religious people: still struggling to cope with their own irrelevance. More on this at 10.

Zing:

Heathen is not an insulting word. I AM a heathen, all Atheist/Agnostics are heathens by definition. Heathen is literally a word to describe non-believers.

Similarly, by that religious persons belief, I am also a sinner, this doesn't bother me either because I don't believe the consequence that would classify me as a sinner to people of this or that faith.

A deity IS an imaginary friend. There is no evidence of its existence, no one has ever seen it.

So you're telling me that it's ok to belittle your religious view points because you don't believe in theirs?
Utterly ridiculous.

Zing:
That actually sounds cool. But which religion is the right one? And does that religious deity that has been deemed the "right one" kill followers of other religions just because they were wrong?
No such game would exist because, if anything, it highlights the problems with religion.

You're right no such game would exist because they're not out to turn their god into some kind of silly contest, their religion and the lives they lead are based on principles of their religion. They're not out to demean that by making Super Smash Pantheon, the deity is just a figure head for all the lessons a religion has to teach.

Also laughed at your Ron Swanson picture, especially since the capture is "Meat with Gravy".

Rastelin:
Because most Atheist think gods are imaginary friends. And we are heathens and sinners by many religious standards. Only the religious see something wrong with that. Not an insult to us.

So it's ok for you guys to continue to insult their culture because they can't offend you in return?
Stay classy.

Zing:

beniki:

Well, the difference is that you don't care either way. Religious people do. And the devs are using religious icons to make money. They are taking something that people hold dearly in their hearts, an icon that gives them hope and inspiration, and using it to extract cash from adolescents screaming at each other over the chat channels about how big their e-penises are.

I wouldn't usually care about this issue, but whenever someone's response to hurt feelings is 'QQ some more', ignoring the the thoughts and emotions of a human being just because it's uncomfortable for them, well, gets on my tits a bit.

Right one, wrong one doesn't come into this. Just a little bit of empathy for an issue people hold close would be nice.

[shrug] Ah well. Can't stop people being people I guess.

Who says I don't care? I care about willfully ignorant religious people impeding artistic process and freedom of speech. You're using hyperbole to over generalize the game, how do you think the devs feel? They've spent months and months making this game and now these groups claim that it "trivializes" these "supreme beings". Sorry, but I say that these groups are trivializing the work of Hi-Rez Studio. And to me, their work is FAR more important than ANY religion.

Well, wilfully ignorant religious people is a generalisation itself. But if we are going to compare artistic merit, we're stacking a year long developed multi-player focused game, using what can be described as public domain intellectual property, against thousands of years of art, poetry, philosophy, song and just plain simple story.

I'm not using hyperbole, I'm stating facts. Players will be saying things like 'Shiva sucks', 'Nerf Ganesh' or any number of casual blasphemies... and not for any artistic reason. It's a multiplayer game, essentially 3-D DOTA. Replace the skins and you've changed nothing fundamental. No one will come out of the game thinking 'I've learned something about Hinduism'. They will most likely just look at stats and load up the next map, and maybe wish Shiva had better crowd control.

I'm not saying religion is off limits. But you have to be respectful. Acting like you don't have to be when something is that big a deal is just, well, childish.

They will fail, as they should. And no, you don't have to be respectful to any "God".

There's one thing the religious folk could do that would fix all of this...ignore the game.

Sorry for barging in on the conversation.

Lyri:

Zing:

Heathen is not an insulting word. I AM a heathen, all Atheist/Agnostics are heathens by definition. Heathen is literally a word to describe non-believers.

Similarly, by that religious persons belief, I am also a sinner, this doesn't bother me either because I don't believe the consequence that would classify me as a sinner to people of this or that faith.

A deity IS an imaginary friend. There is no evidence of its existence, no one has ever seen it.

So you're telling me that it's ok to belittle your religious view points because you don't believe in theirs?
Utterly ridiculous.

No, he's saying terms used that only have a meaning specific to a certain religion have no meaning for people outside that religion. It's just hot air.

You could get offended if somebody told you Bigfoot is very angry because you're a bad nirmfloof, but more often than not, I think you'll start questioning whether these claims have any correspondence to reality and the sanity of the person uttering them.

Rastelin:
Because most Atheist think gods are imaginary friends. And we are heathens and sinners by many religious standards. Only the religious see something wrong with that. Not an insult to us.

So it's ok for you guys to continue to insult their culture because they can't offend you in return?
Stay classy.

I'm really, really amazed at how you create these causal relations simply by putting a "because" in between the sentences of the person you're quoting.

No, I, and I'd bet Zing too, don't do what we do in criticizing religion because we want them to get offended and, on religious grounds, we are pretty much immune to it. We do it because we think religion is harmful - to the mind, and to society. Whether or not people get offended when you criticize their viewpoints is completely, utterly and entirely immaterial to whether or not your criticism holds any weight.

Edit bonus: That was a little bit disingenuous on my part. When it comes to insults specifically, here's the thing. If an insult is the only thing being said, it's pretty much hot air. Just like trying to demean a person in religious terms, if those terms don't mean anything to them. But if it comes along with reasoned argument, you can evaluate the validity of it. If the argument is completely vapid, then the insult is, too.

This sort of rhetoric, which assumes that people have a right to be free from getting offended, is nothing short of repulsive to me. At best, it's having a thin skin to a childish degree, and at worst, it's totalitarian and severely harmful to public discourse and the flow of ideas. People get offended by facts, for christ's sake.

Emiscary:
Religious people: still struggling to cope with their own irrelevance. More on this at 10.

Last time I checked, 90% of the world wasn't considered irrelevant.

I'm just surprised that this is what these people would protest when Shin Megami Tensei games have been "trivializing" religious deities for two decades (more if you count the Megami Tensei games).

Lyri:
So it's ok for you guys to continue to insult their culture because they can't offend you in return?
Stay classy.

It is very much ok in fact. They are trying to use their faith and highly unlikely god or goddess for which there are not a shred of evidence for to impose censorship on people who clearly are not religious. This is a pattern history knows to well when it comes to organized religion.

But they are not allowed to torture and burn people in their gods name anymore (talk about offense), so all they can do is bitch and wine, and people will be in their faces when they do.

I like how people think that free speech only applies to people who agree with their ideas... and seriously guys, this thread is a bit weird. The title is a little bit sensationalist and you seem to have run with it. The religious groups in question are just asking them to respectfully not depict one of the aspects of their god. In other words, reskin them. Just my thoughts anyway.

CAPTCHA: tastes like chicken. Well, that is what I'm going to eat now.

Lyri:

Zing:

Heathen is not an insulting word. I AM a heathen, all Atheist/Agnostics are heathens by definition. Heathen is literally a word to describe non-believers.

Similarly, by that religious persons belief, I am also a sinner, this doesn't bother me either because I don't believe the consequence that would classify me as a sinner to people of this or that faith.

A deity IS an imaginary friend. There is no evidence of its existence, no one has ever seen it.

So you're telling me that it's ok to belittle your religious view points because you don't believe in theirs?
Utterly ridiculous.

Zing:
That actually sounds cool. But which religion is the right one? And does that religious deity that has been deemed the "right one" kill followers of other religions just because they were wrong?
No such game would exist because, if anything, it highlights the problems with religion.

You're right no such game would exist because they're not out to turn their god into some kind of silly contest, their religion and the lives they lead are based on principles of their religion. They're not out to demean that by making Super Smash Pantheon, the deity is just a figure head for all the lessons a religion has to teach.

Also laughed at your Ron Swanson picture, especially since the capture is "Meat with Gravy".

Rastelin:
Because most Atheist think gods are imaginary friends. And we are heathens and sinners by many religious standards. Only the religious see something wrong with that. Not an insult to us.

So it's ok for you guys to continue to insult their culture because they can't offend you in return?
Stay classy.

Ill stay classy

Stephen Fry classy
http://youtu.be/lnSByCb8lqY

I'm glad they can put their differences aside, but not for something like this. There are games with gods based off real gods from modern religions all the time. What made this so special?

Why did I interpret the thread title as a bunch of different people coming together from different religious backgrounds to protest against bigotry and cruel behavior?

No, of course they'd be coming together to protest against a darn videogame. I mean, there aren't any other evils in the world worthy of attention right guys?

Instead of being furious about the fact this is another thread where it is perfectly OK to attack religion that if it were women, minorities, homosexuals, the bullied or any other politically correct hot button topic, The thread would be locked for being riddled with hate speech and personal attacks.

Ill just say that all we are missing is a rabbi and a bar and a good joke can be complete.

viranimus:
Instead of being furious about the fact this is another thread where it is perfectly OK to attack religion that if it were women, minorities, homosexuals, the bullied or any other politically correct hot button topic, The thread would be locked for being riddled with hate speech and personal attacks.

Ill just say that all we are missing is a rabbi and a bar and a good joke can be complete.

Well we already have a rabbi that isn't mentioned we just need a bar.

Lyri:
The amount of immaturity and intolerance in this thread is pretty terrible - but it's not surprising considering the Escapists crowd.

I really don't understand why everyone here who claims themselves to be Atheist seems to find it ok that they can keep calling a religious deity an imaginary friend, that's no better than the religious folks calling you heathens or sinners.
I'm not religious at all but the attitude most people are taking here is complete bullshit, all most a perverse pleasure in seeing gaming taking a leg up over religion.

Imagine if this was the other way around and it was a religious funded project that had everyone play as a vengeful deity come to purge the atheists off the face of the Earth?
You bet this forum would be in uproar with the usual how dare they.

Except that's a false equivocation, SMITE isn't about a horde of atheists ascending into the heavens and slaughtering the gods.

OT: I like what someone else has posted before me. Who are you to say that your god needs your defending? If they're supposed to be an all powerful being, what does it say if you have to rush to their defence?

Revnak:
I... I feel so odd about this. On one hand, people of different religious beliefs are respecting one another. On another hand, they're trying to force a piece of media to not be made, which I am definitely against. I just don't know whether I should be upset or pleased.

I don't think it's so much forcing them not to make it as it is asking them to alter it. I think as a society it is important to respect other people's values. After all, freedom of speech is right to say anything you want, but not a right to have what you say supported. So with that in mind my support goes out firmly to the Hindu community.

Lyri:
Imagine if this was the other way around and it was a religious funded project that had everyone play as a vengeful deity come to purge the atheists off the face of the Earth?
You bet this forum would be in uproar with the usual how dare they.

But that's a really, really shitty analogy. For it to work Smite would have to have a character called "Athiest" who goes around killing Gods. And it would have to be funded by atheists.

OT: Eh, I'm not sure on this one. I can see why they are offended, and they have the right to be, but it doesn't mean Hi-Rez have to remove the character from their game.

I dunno man, I'll leave this one up to Hi-Rez. If they make changes, good on them, they're being considerate. If not, I can't really hold it against them.

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