Dark Souls Port Brings Console Problems to PC

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Sandjube:

Angry Juju:
Oh God, this is atrocious! This game needs to die in a pit of flames and death, I just... I won't be able to play this game at all, in fact, I should just reject the terms of service of Steam and have my account terminated. THIRTY FPS?! That's... Who can ever play a game at 30FPS?! Even though that's the standard FPS of many things and the human eye can't see much more.

AND CONSOLE RESOLUTION?! OH GOD PLEASE STOP NO MORE! God forbid, you'd think that i'd buy the game for the gameplay... which is why any normal human being would buy the game. But I buy games exclusively on my PC because I only play them for graphics, I hope the developers die for this. This game is probably worse than those shitty busts like Super Meat Boy and League of Legends. Who the hell would play those? The graphics are terrible. At least I still have Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, what an amazing, brilliant game that is.

I was playing Borderlands before, dropped down to 40 frames and though "Dammnit this is annoying and laggy, hopefully it will go back up to 60".

Then it did, and I was happy. Ipso facto, you're completely wrong about the framerate thing. Also try reading about the fact that monitors and televisions aren't the same thing (weird I know).

You're completely wrong about the frame rate.

The human eye can only see as high as 60. However until it gets as low as about 25, you shouldn't notice much of a difference. It's probably just a placebo effect that you thought the game was really laggy and choppy (like seriously, Most of my friends play PC games at 30fps at most, none of us see anything laggy or choppy about the said games).

Also, I have two computers, I've tested them side by side. One of them plays games at 15-30 FPS, the other plays them at 60+. Unless the first computer dips to 15, there's literally no difference between the quality.

Rabid Toilet:

Hammeroj:

Rabid Toilet:
No, you don't get it.

30 FPS is completely playable on a PC. I know this from experience. Back when I had a crappy computer, that's about the frame rate I would get after lowering all the graphic settings, and it was still pretty damn smooth. Saying it's a literal slide show is just false.

For anyone (or, well, most anyone) who's used to 60FPS, it's perfectly true. And you don't even have to be used to it to notice the vast difference between 30FPS and 60FPS, even though you might actually be fine with playing it at 30FPS.

I, too, used to have a shitty PC, and I played things at around 30FPS. Seeing how smooth everything was on my brother's PC at 60FPS blew my mind. It is an objectively, and immensely, superior experience, unless one has some eye defect or something to that extent. And it's the fucking standard, and has been for a long long time, which is something a lot of people conveniently forget. This is a studio game that costs 40 bucks, not having something as basic as this is inexcusable.

Yes, 60 FPS is better than 30. I'm not arguing that.

I was objecting to him saying that 30 FPS is literally a slide show. Sure, it won't look as good as it would at 60 FPS, but it's still perfectly playable.

Bull. Crap.

Overlord was capped at 30 because developers didn't know PC and consoles were different.

At launch, Overlord WAS a literal slide show for everyone BUT consoles, but that 30 FPS doesn't always STAY there.

It wasn't until AFTER they patched it did it play correctly for everyone. If Code masters, the most incompetent people in the industry can fix a 30 FPS cap, so can the developers of Dark Souls.

30 FPS caps NEVER end well. I seen them first hand.

Angry Juju:

You're completely wrong about the frame rate.

The human eye can only see as high as 60. However until it gets as low as about 25, you shouldn't notice much of a difference. It's probably just a placebo effect that you thought the game was really laggy and choppy (like seriously, Most of my friends play PC games at 30fps at most, none of us see anything laggy or choppy about the said games).

Also, I have two computers, I've tested them side by side. One of them plays games at 15-30 FPS, the other plays them at 60+. Unless the first computer dips to 15, there's literally no difference between the quality.

Have you ever used a screen with a higher than 60hz refresh rate?

You're obviously not educated on the matter if you truly believe that the human eye has a certain amount of FPS that it can see. There is no maximum like that, of course there will be a point when you will start not noticing the difference but that differs from person to person and unless your eyesight is severely impaired I can assure you the limit wont be anywhere near 60fps let alone 30fps.

Now I guess if the maximum any human can see is 60fps then would you mind explaining to me what 120hz monitors are for? Or why competitive fps gamers still use high resolution CRTs with well over 60hz refresh rate? The reason is pretty simple, there is a pretty clear difference between even higher framrates/refresh rates such as 60 to 85 or 60 to 120.

some good reading: http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

Give it time, they are giving us the source material and we (as we do best) as PC gamers are going to mod it into perfection. This is what we do, they give us silver we make gold, we are the alchemists of the digital realm and I look forward to diving in.

Also FYI if you cancel your orders now you will be showing that we are elitist PIGS and they will continue to not release titles for us. They took it to PC on our request, we one the battle and Ile be damned if were losing the war!

Angry Juju:

Sandjube:

Angry Juju:
Oh God, this is atrocious! This game needs to die in a pit of flames and death, I just... I won't be able to play this game at all, in fact, I should just reject the terms of service of Steam and have my account terminated. THIRTY FPS?! That's... Who can ever play a game at 30FPS?! Even though that's the standard FPS of many things and the human eye can't see much more.

AND CONSOLE RESOLUTION?! OH GOD PLEASE STOP NO MORE! God forbid, you'd think that i'd buy the game for the gameplay... which is why any normal human being would buy the game. But I buy games exclusively on my PC because I only play them for graphics, I hope the developers die for this. This game is probably worse than those shitty busts like Super Meat Boy and League of Legends. Who the hell would play those? The graphics are terrible. At least I still have Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, what an amazing, brilliant game that is.

I was playing Borderlands before, dropped down to 40 frames and though "Dammnit this is annoying and laggy, hopefully it will go back up to 60".

Then it did, and I was happy. Ipso facto, you're completely wrong about the framerate thing. Also try reading about the fact that monitors and televisions aren't the same thing (weird I know).

You're completely wrong about the frame rate.

The human eye can only see as high as 60. However until it gets as low as about 25, you shouldn't notice much of a difference. It's probably just a placebo effect that you thought the game was really laggy and choppy (like seriously, Most of my friends play PC games at 30fps at most, none of us see anything laggy or choppy about the said games).

Also, I have two computers, I've tested them side by side. One of them plays games at 15-30 FPS, the other plays them at 60+. Unless the first computer dips to 15, there's literally no difference between the quality.

Edit: You know what my post was far too snarky and self-satisfied, honestly we're probably not going to agree and I can't be bothered being one of "those" escapists that argue with everyone so let's just drop it.

Rabid Toilet:
Yes, 60 FPS is better than 30. I'm not arguing that.

I was objecting to him saying that 30 FPS is literally a slide show. Sure, it won't look as good as it would at 60 FPS, but it's still perfectly playable.

20FPS is perfectly playable. It's still severely sub-standard and there's no excuse for it.

Most people on this site, /r/gaming, /vg/ and other gaming communities signed a petition asking the developer of an otherwise fantastic game to release it on the PC in spite of the fact that said developer doesn't have a lot of experience with PC development and the engine powering the game that's being released on the PC was optimized for consoles to begin with. And yet, people are still bitching.

You're getting the same exact game, blisters, boils, blemishes, and all. At least they're providing new content for the PC and console versions to make up for the issues. It's certainly a hell of a lot better than a publisher *Cough Rockstar cough* outright refusing to port a beloved game *cough* RDR *Cough* to the PC in spite of numerous petitions and rumors surrounding a PC version.

Matthew94:

PC gamers deserve access to the gates of heaven for having the game ported to them so I disagree with you on that! They should also have optimised it so I could run 3D on triple monitors at the full 120Hz refresh rate and still be able to run a rendering program in the background. The devs should also give us the sequel for free.

Take that you hussied up, hodgepodgeing charlatan!

PC master race away!!!

No, no, no, no, no. This still doesn't feel right. Maybe I was trying too hard to be reasonable and diplomatic with both sides. If that was the case, I'm truly sorry. Let's try and forget this unfortunate mishap and start again.

trollpwner:

Fuck those P.C. elitists and fuck their arguments! They asked for a console port, and by golly, they'll get one! I can't believe they're whining over little unimportant things like graphics and FPS when they're still getting (functionally) exactly the same thing. They even get free DLC! They're clearly all entitled whiners who think the entire industry should bend over backwards to justify their latest 300 graphics card purchase.

Although for 300, that gtx 670 is a pretty sweet bit of ass. look at that baby. Pure tech porn, right there.

Is this any better?

Christ, people are getting really fucking worked up over graphics. I guess this means that developers should spend more time on graphics and let gameplay go die in a ditch huh? Isn't that what you people want?

erttheking:
Christ, people are getting really fucking worked up over graphics. I guess this means that developers should spend more time on graphics and let gameplay go die in a ditch huh? Isn't that what you people want?

Because if From spent a couple more months (or assigned more than 2 guys to) porting the game to PC, obviously the gameplay would suffer for it?

And for the last frickin' time, this isn't people getting worked up over graphics. I think the number of times things like textures were mentioned as something From should improve is something like one. Nobody was expecting a model/animation/texturing rework, better shaders or dynamic or any advanced graphical technologies like tesselation, subsurface scattering or whatever. Nothing like that. It's about display options of the most basic fucking kind.

TwentyPercentCooler:
Wow. Does everything have to turn into a PC vs console debate with the two sides at each other's throats?

I don't know, at which point do you think the conversation should have stopped?

-1024x720 rendering resolution and 30FPS? The game's going to be a blurry mess with oversized UI, and it's going to run about as well as those paper animations I used to make in my books. This is below standards back in 2004, shitty port, poor effort, not worth 40 bucks.
-This is bad to you? Well I played this on my console and it looked and felt great, ergo you should enjoy it too!
-That doesn't make the game any less of a blurry, choppy mess. Maybe I should also point out that people sit many times closer to their monitors than they do their TVs, making any display deficiencies vastly more noticeable and irritating?
-Stop being such a whiny bitchy entitled elitist pig.

See all this is, is people who are generally PC gamers pointing out the outright shit quality of the port, and console gamers getting offended/spiteful. Whether it's because they feel personally insulted that their consoles' rendering resolution is shit or something like that, I don't know, but this is the entirety of the thread. "Stop bitching" in this thread can be entirely replaced by "Stop having standards" without the argument changing one bit.

I don't really see a problem with this. The devs admitted that they didn't have experience with the PC and that it was going to be a direct port. It's not like we PC gamers were promised a shining, golden version of the game that could cure cancer and feed the homeless.

So are some of the most basic standards supposed to be completely suspended as long as developers say "Hey, we're inexperienced on this platform."? Not to mention this cannot possibly be the reason for them not even bothering to add different resolutions. Do you honestly think a studio of 200+ people is incapable of doing this (never mind that they could've outsourced to a couple of jackoffs down the street who actually are experienced), or do you think the deadline might have something to do with it?

trollpwner:

Matthew94:

PC gamers deserve access to the gates of heaven for having the game ported to them so I disagree with you on that! They should also have optimised it so I could run 3D on triple monitors at the full 120Hz refresh rate and still be able to run a rendering program in the background. The devs should also give us the sequel for free.

Take that you hussied up, hodgepodgeing charlatan!

PC master race away!!!

No, no, no, no, no. This still doesn't feel right. Maybe I was trying too hard to be reasonable and diplomatic with both sides. If that was the case, I'm truly sorry. Let's try and forget this unfortunate mishap and start again.

trollpwner:

Fuck those P.C. elitists and fuck their arguments! They asked for a console port, and by golly, they'll get one! I can't believe they're whining over little unimportant things like graphics and FPS when they're still getting (functionally) exactly the same thing. They even get free DLC! They're clearly all entitled whiners who think the entire industry should bend over backwards to justify their latest 300 graphics card purchase.

Although for 300, that gtx 670 is a pretty sweet bit of ass. look at that baby. Pure tech porn, right there.

Is this any better?

You're killing me over here, man! I don't know if I'm up to the challenge!

Matthew94:

You're killing me over here, man! I don't know if I'm up to the challenge!

You can do it! I belieeeeeeeeeeve in you, man!

trollpwner:

Fuck those P.C. elitists and fuck their arguments! They asked for a console port, and by golly, they'll get one! I can't believe they're whining over little unimportant things like graphics and FPS when they're still getting (functionally) exactly the same thing. They even get free DLC! They're clearly all entitled whiners who think the entire industry should bend over backwards to justify their latest 300 graphics card purchase.

Right, here goes.

Well, good sir. I disagree! I think that if FS are going to put in the effort to make a port then they should get basic features like changing the internal res of a game. Hell, even emulators and games as far back as Quake have these options.

If not they should have made the game moddable so the community could fix it a la TES and Fallout.

PS GFWL is shit and including it is just 100% trollng

erttheking:
Christ, people are getting really fucking worked up over graphics. I guess this means that developers should spend more time on graphics and let gameplay go die in a ditch huh? Isn't that what you people want?

Yeah because we want a game to be playable we hate gameplay. Fuck your strawman argument.

Elmoth:

erttheking:
Christ, people are getting really fucking worked up over graphics. I guess this means that developers should spend more time on graphics and let gameplay go die in a ditch huh? Isn't that what you people want?

Yeah because we want a game to be playable we hate gameplay. Fuck your strawman argument.

...so what you're telling me is that the version of Dark Souls that I play isn't playable...bullshit. Just because you don't get graphics twice as good as ours, doesn't mean that it's not "playable".

Matthew94:

trollpwner:

Fuck those P.C. elitists and fuck their arguments! They asked for a console port, and by golly, they'll get one! I can't believe they're whining over little unimportant things like graphics and FPS when they're still getting (functionally) exactly the same thing. They even get free DLC! They're clearly all entitled whiners who think the entire industry should bend over backwards to justify their latest 300 graphics card purchase.

Right, here goes.

Well, good sir. I disagree! I think that if FS are going to put in the effort to make a port then they should get basic features like changing the internal res of a game. Hell, even emulators and games as far back as Quake have these options.

If not they should have made the game moddable so the community could fix it a la TES and Fallout.

PS GFWL is shit and including it is just 100% trollng

If it was an American studio, by an American publisher, I'd probably completely agree with you.

However, this IS a Japanese studio, from a country where PC gaming is practically non-existent, this studio having absolutely no experience in PC gaming, let alone experience concerning the...attitudes of American PC gamers, or how to deal with them.

All I'm saying is that this company likely has no idea what they're getting in to and probably no idea that outsourcing would even be an option.

Edit: Though I'll agree that GFWL is almost, *almost* inexcusable, and only barely excusable because they've never really done PC gaming before.

You know what's dumb. Sleeping Dogs is getting PANNED by Console reviewers due to having graphics that look as good as GTAIV (but haven't progressed any due to console limitations.)

HILARIOUS they don't mention the HD texture pack, enhanced draw distance etc. etc. and DX11 available on the PC version... Square Enix I LOVE YOU! And lump the console score against the PC review for the same game. Pathetic on the reviewers part (I'm looking at you IGN & Gamespot)

Yet in THIS THREAD we have console gamers telling US that we shouldn't expect > 30 fps and should gladly accept blurry textures etc. etc. from a port. Oh THE IRONY!

chadachada123:

Matthew94:

trollpwner:

Fuck those P.C. elitists and fuck their arguments! They asked for a console port, and by golly, they'll get one! I can't believe they're whining over little unimportant things like graphics and FPS when they're still getting (functionally) exactly the same thing. They even get free DLC! They're clearly all entitled whiners who think the entire industry should bend over backwards to justify their latest 300 graphics card purchase.

Right, here goes.

Well, good sir. I disagree! I think that if FS are going to put in the effort to make a port then they should get basic features like changing the internal res of a game. Hell, even emulators and games as far back as Quake have these options.

If not they should have made the game moddable so the community could fix it a la TES and Fallout.

PS GFWL is shit and including it is just 100% trollng

If it was an American studio, by an American publisher, I'd probably completely agree with you.

However, this IS a Japanese studio, from a country where PC gaming is practically non-existent, this studio having absolutely no experience in PC gaming, let alone experience concerning the...attitudes of American PC gamers, or how to deal with them.

All I'm saying is that this company likely has no idea what they're getting in to and probably no idea that outsourcing would even be an option.

Edit: Though I'll agree that GFWL is almost, *almost* inexcusable, and only barely excusable because they've never really done PC gaming before.

I can agree on the Japan part but they would have known about outsourcing. They are japanese, not aliens.

image

*cough*

Ahem, right... Like I was saying, they would know about how to outsource, it's not inherent to a nation. Besides, Japan is pretty advanced, I'm sure they outsource a lot of stuff. I'm not sure how much they would cost to hire but the guys who did the Deus Ex Human Revolution port were fantastic.

Matthew94:

I can agree on the Japan part but they would have known about outsourcing. They are japanese, not aliens.

image

*cough*

Ahem, right... Like I was saying, they would know about how to outsource, it's not inherent to a nation. Besides, Japan is pretty advanced, I'm sure they outsource a lot of stuff. I'm not sure how much they would cost to hire but the guys who did the Deus Ex Human Revolution port were fantastic.

Ah yes, Japan:

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I guess my only defence is that FROM specifically doesn't recognize the *importance* of outsourcing for these types of things. I'm sure they'll be in for a rude awakening, justified or not, post-release.

chadachada123:

Matthew94:

I can agree on the Japan part but they would have known about outsourcing. They are japanese, not aliens.

image

*cough*

Ahem, right... Like I was saying, they would know about how to outsource, it's not inherent to a nation. Besides, Japan is pretty advanced, I'm sure they outsource a lot of stuff. I'm not sure how much they would cost to hire but the guys who did the Deus Ex Human Revolution port were fantastic.

Ah yes, Japan:

image

I guess my only defence is that FROM specifically doesn't recognize the *importance* of outsourcing for these types of things. I'm sure they'll be in for a rude awakening, justified or not, post-release.

Blasted funnyjunk! I hate when I accidentally link their images too. They always break when you post them...

But yes, the fallout of the release is sure going to be interesting. Maybe we won't end up seeing the sequel on PC, maybe we will. Depends on the reaction and how FS deals with it.

30 FPS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Wait a minute, people give a flying f*&^ about not being able to go 30+ FPS, i dont care about that(one of the so called pc gamers that play for the game). 30 FPS is perfectly fine, and had the game pre-ordered asap as i loved the game that i played at a mates house, and hey, am i not getting free DLC for the same game console users have. If anything shouldn't people be bragging due to the fact that we got them to port it for us, and give us free stuff.

Only thing i would like them to do now, would be to make the "invasion" gameplay cross platform, but hey. Even someone as uneducated as me knows the scope of problems and legal bullshit that would be caused by this. (but i can dream)

yogibbear:
You know what's dumb. Sleeping Dogs is getting PANNED by Console reviewers due to having graphics that look as good as GTAIV (but haven't progressed any due to console limitations.)

HILARIOUS they don't mention the HD texture pack, enhanced draw distance etc. etc. and DX11 available on the PC version... Square Enix I LOVE YOU! And lump the console score against the PC review for the same game. Pathetic on the reviewers part (I'm looking at you IGN & Gamespot)

Yet in THIS THREAD we have console gamers telling US that we shouldn't expect > 30 fps and should gladly accept blurry textures etc. etc. from a port. Oh THE IRONY!

If you try and find a post where I complain about Sleeping Dogs' graphics, I do believe that you will find that it doesn't exist.

Matthew94:
I'm not sure how much they would cost to hire but the guys who did the Deus Ex Human Revolution port were fantastic.

I almost mentioned DE:HR several times. Now, this may be false, but I seem to remember noticing in the DE:HR credits that the PC port team consisted of five guys. With that in mind, unless a game is some sort of a massive do-over, which Dark Souls on the PC most certainly isn't, I can't imagine it being referred to as a company endeavor with a straight face. It's just several guys who haven't been given a whole lot of time by whoever assigned the project to them. That's where the problem lies.

Also, one can take a look at Alan Wake, which reportedly took something like 700,000 bucks to port, and was an actually competent port with customizable controls and a variety of graphics options to modify. 700,000 bucks is nothing in the grand scheme of things. It takes, at the very most, 40,000 sales to recoup that. Far less if you're using something like Steam to distribute. Not to mention Alan Wake was somewhat of a mediocre game and still made money within 24 hours. That Dark Souls on the PC will make millions is a given.

It's making me crazy how much of a cheap-out this port is.

Matthew94:

Right, here goes.

Well, good sir. I disagree! I think that if FS are going to put in the effort to make a port then they should get basic features like changing the internal res of a game. Hell, even emulators and games as far back as Quake have these options.

If not they should have made the game moddable so the community could fix it a la TES and Fallout.

PS GFWL is shit and including it is just 100% trollng

Well, they shouldn't have to, because by porting it, they save the work of the emulators! So P.C. gamers should thank them! It may not be moddable, but it's still the same game, made for them. They surely don't need mods and resolution to enjoy the same basic game, right? Even if it means dealing with a few crinkles from windows live. It's still essentially a good game.

Nah, that doesn't hold water. I give up. If the P.C. audience doesn't like this game, they're not going to buy it, and that'll be that.

Bearing in mind I only read the first two pages of comments, and I'm sure that I'll just be repeating someone else's opinion, but why is this such a terrible thing?
PC gamers are now able to get the exact same thing as the 360 and PS3 players have. Minus the additional cost of the expansion, because you PC guys get that with the game! Honestly, complaining about them not adding anything is the very definition of being an entitled and impossible to reasonably satisfy consumer. The developers made this game with absolutely no intention of it being released on the PC. When the PC gamers said they really wanted the game, they were absolutely obliged. Here it is. You have exactly what you asked for to the damn pixel , with some free additional content .
Now quit your whining and die. Again and again.

Oh no, you get the same version as everyone else. The end is nigh. (<- must be read in a bored/sarcastic voice)

Bloody hell, it's just the graphics. The game is still perfectly fine but apparently because it's the same thing that everyone else gets that apparently means it's not good enough. Yeesh, it seems like with some PC Gamers the game has to be better in absolutely every aspect or they soil themselves with rage.

If the game were better on PC, then console gamers (with decent PCs) would buy it. Now, the only people who have any reason to buy it are those who never got the console version. Why in the world is announcing that you're one of those who bought the game already somehow such a freaking offensive thing?

Don't get me wrong, it's still nice that they listened, and that PC-only gamers will still get to play the game (heck, I'm one of them). But acting like those people mentioned above are wrong or claiming that there's no downside to making a game that is the same quality as the original is just ridiculous

BTW, people, the thing about most other ports is that they are designed from the get-go to be ported to PC, along with other systems. This almost certainly wasn't.

My god, got to love the shear amount of circle jerk going on here. Console fanboys saying the same damn thing over and over and over (this being "pc gamers expecting more then just copy/paste? How entitled").

You sit closer to a monitor then a tv screen, things like fps are a hell of a lot more noticeable and harder on the eyes when it is right up in your face like that. And it isn't like what people are asking for here is some sort of graphical overhaul. It is asking for screen resolution and fps adjustability. Shit, that games a decade and a half old ported to the pc had such options should tell you the extent of what people are asking for.

Now as I said before, I don't care too much about graphics, fps or anything like that. I just want a good game without a lot of bugs. But I am sick and tired of reading the damn echo chamber of people talking out of their ass and ignoring the damn points people have. It is not that pc gamers want some massive better product, it is that they want a product that is compatible with their machine. Not one that will hurt to look at, not one that because people sit so close it will be blatantly noticeable the choppy frame rate (in a game like this, that might even be sort of added difficulty.) Saying otherwise, claiming they are asking for something they are not is dishonest misrepresentation of their stance. Saying that is entitled is, quite frankly, stupid. If I am shopping for a car and it doesn't meet my needs, it is not entitled to not buy it, it is common sense. If I am grabbing dinner and the restaurant doesn't have what I am looking for, not buying it is not entitled. Telling the restaurant that you didn't stop there because of a specific lack of something should be common sense if you like some of what they have and want to shop there but can't because of the incomplete experience. It isn't entitled, no one is claiming we are owed something, merely some are just saying they wont buy it if it isn't good enough to merit their purchase, with the issues of fps and resolution given as why it is not good enough. If this was a new game released on the pc, no one would care why so many people refused to buy it. Why should their standards of quality change because it is a port? Because some wanted the game? Well damn right they dd, I still do, but pc gamers wanted their version game, not the ps3 version slapped in. This would be like porting it over to the 360 but screwing up the controls all up because you refused to adjust them to the new system. Oh, you can still play it, but it is a damn lot less enjoyable having to work around something to enjoy the game.

If you want to whine about people daring to ask to have a game that is made compatible with a pc, not just a glorified emulator, fine. But don't act like this is a group of people acting stuck up or entitled. They want the game and experience but then acknowledge the differences in the mediums in which things like resolution and fps would factor in and why not allowing change to them would be a bad thing. Crying about that makes anyone come off as bitter and ignorant. Oblivious to the differences between the mediums and trying to push their assumptions onto the rest with an air of patronizing asshattery. Seriously, knock that shit off already.

Am I the only one that is disappointed by the news of an inferior PC port, but am looking forward to playing it more and more each day? I want to continue my online Souls experience with a bunch of fresh new friends/victims, I don't care if it looks like it's close to a console experience, as long as it's still playable. I gladly signed the petition to get Dark Souls for PC, and I'm going to follow through and buy the game!

Besides, the game will most likely be modded and tweaked with at some point to allow for a better framerate anyway, no use crying that anything can't be done before the game is even available.

If the game works, I'm satisfied.

Period.

We asked for a PC port, lets not quibble over whether or not the developer wanted to recode large portions of the game.

For gods sake, we're the same community that plays Dwarf Fortress.

Carnagath:
A classic case of "miscommunication", isn't it... When people asked for this game on the PC, they actually meant that they wanted a proper PC port, not a half-assed copy paste cash grab. I played Dark Souls to death on the PS3, but was still planning on buying it for the PC just so I could play it with many of my friends who are not console owners and yet were very interested in the game. Then, of course, they read shit like this and lost their interest, and so did I. So, all our sales are effectively lost for the company, and I'm pretty sure we're not the only ones who feel that way. Still, I feel that the game will do reasonably well, which is a shame. The ideal for me would be for it to tank hard and for clearly defined reasons that will be communicated to the devs/publisher, so that they know, for future reference, that if you plan on serving the PC crowd shit, they are not going to eat it. They had a very unique and, in my opinion, quite large niche of gamers to appeal to with this game. A niche that, even on consoles, is apparently large enough to support the development of a game of such ambitious scale like Dark Souls. A crowd which, on the side of PC gaming, is much, much larger and way more thirsty for a game like that. A great port might have potentially brought about changes of perspective in the industry. So much for that...

Considering the PS3 market managed to keep them going through demon's soul's and they had no plans to release onto PC, only on 360 and PS3, im going to say that the market is larger on consoles considering they seem to have left the PC alone. Wonder why.

So you want the game to tank? Thats ridiculous. That wont say 'the PC market needs to be supplied a greater product than the console plebs' it will say that the PC market 1. doesnt live up to its promises considering this only came about via a petition (which did not state the game had to be of superior quality to the console version) and 2. is not a market worth supplying, since attempting to would create a loss for any company not already involved.

Why must you be so high minded to expect a game, which was never even intended for PC release from a developer which has worked (to my knowledge) exclusively on consoles (if im wrong then mostly on consoles), they did it themselves (I think) because they were worried about making a loss which is very understandable (entering a market you know very little about is always risky, in their shoes I wouldnt drop loads of money on it either), to have a higher quality than it has on consoles? When did it somehow be unnaceptable to have not-fantastic graphics (or god forbid the same quality as consoles have) for a game on PC? Is it really that important?

Is the game already good? Yes. You are getting a great game, cheer up.

Sandjube:

Angry Juju:

Sandjube:

I was playing Borderlands before, dropped down to 40 frames and though "Dammnit this is annoying and laggy, hopefully it will go back up to 60".

Then it did, and I was happy. Ipso facto, you're completely wrong about the framerate thing. Also try reading about the fact that monitors and televisions aren't the same thing (weird I know).

You're completely wrong about the frame rate.

The human eye can only see as high as 60. However until it gets as low as about 25, you shouldn't notice much of a difference. It's probably just a placebo effect that you thought the game was really laggy and choppy (like seriously, Most of my friends play PC games at 30fps at most, none of us see anything laggy or choppy about the said games).

Also, I have two computers, I've tested them side by side. One of them plays games at 15-30 FPS, the other plays them at 60+. Unless the first computer dips to 15, there's literally no difference between the quality.

Edit: You know what my post was far too snarky and self-satisfied, honestly we're probably not going to agree and I can't be bothered being one of "those" escapists that argue with everyone so let's just drop it.

They didn't even intend to do a PC port in the first place... soo.. it's being entitled.

I don't even give two shits about that, I just think it's ridiculous that people are complaining about something they can barely even see. Don't kid yourself, 30FPS doesn't make much difference to anyone.

Angry Juju:
They didn't even intend to do a PC port in the first place... soo.. it's being entitled.

I don't even give two shits about that, I just think it's ridiculous that people are complaining about something they can barely even see. Don't kid yourself, 30FPS doesn't make much difference to anyone.

Yes it does, but that's not even the worst thing about it, but the decresed resolution is ridiculous.

It will look all blurry and horrible because the Aspect Ratio is all wrong to start with and the image will likely be internally stretched from 1024x720 to 1280x720 and then upscaled to 1920x1080...
http://www.gamersglobal.de/sites/gamersglobal.de/files/redaktion/Angetestet/DarkSouls_PC/darksouls_pc_grafik.jpg

Here's an example of the game Xenoblade being rendered at a lower internal resolution and upscaled as a result: http://www.abload.de/img/sx4e01-2j2p92.png
And being rendered natively at 1080p: http://www.abload.de/img/sx4e01-3izotz.png

And Dark Souls will likely be worse/blurrier/jagged since they will have to change the AR.

The worst thing about it though is that this is basic stuff and not really anything incredibly hard. They are using the Phyre Engine for instance that a lot of other titles use, it's a cross-platform engine developed by SCEA (including some PC titles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhyreEngine )
http://www.mobygames.com/game-group/game-engine-phyreengine
http://www.giantbomb.com/phyreengine/92-6683/games/

Including DeathSpank and Burn Zombie Burn! or Shatter... Those are Indie games made by what seems to be companies of 20-30 people (who didn't all work on the game) and they seemed to have managed fine, yet FROM Software, a company with over 200 employees and an "AAA" game selling like 2 million copies can't fucking manage to do these things?

This doesn't even HAVE anything to do with "graphics" as some of you people don't seem to understand, nobody asked for "DirectX 11 features" or even higher poly models or higher res textures, it's about the pure technicality of the renderer using the base display resolution instead of some arbitrary lower one and scaling up from there, which looks like if someone put a blur filter on your screen and smudged your glasses instead of having a sharp/clear image.
Frankly it's a rather inane thing to do, which is why a lot of people are bewildered by this, since there hasn't been a port that has done anything like this in like 10 years, even some of the worst ports that you will get in threads like "Worst Ports Ever" like Saint's Row 2 or Resident Evil 4 will let you choose your display resolution...

PS: Super Meat Boy, League of Legends, Terraria, even MineCraft etc. all have resolution options and run at over 60FPS.

Obviously, we should start another petition, this time for a patch that fixes the resolution issues or something.

Also, it's worth noting that the game is currently in the top 20 sellers list on Steam.

Hammeroj:

erttheking:
Christ, people are getting really fucking worked up over graphics. I guess this means that developers should spend more time on graphics and let gameplay go die in a ditch huh? Isn't that what you people want?

Because if From spent a couple more months (or assigned more than 2 guys to) porting the game to PC, obviously the gameplay would suffer for it?

And for the last frickin' time, this isn't people getting worked up over graphics. I think the number of times things like textures were mentioned as something From should improve is something like one. Nobody was expecting a model/animation/texturing rework, better shaders or dynamic or any advanced graphical technologies like tesselation, subsurface scattering or whatever. Nothing like that. It's about display options of the most basic fucking kind.

TwentyPercentCooler:
Wow. Does everything have to turn into a PC vs console debate with the two sides at each other's throats?

I don't know, at which point do you think the conversation should have stopped?

-1024x720 rendering resolution and 30FPS? The game's going to be a blurry mess with oversized UI, and it's going to run about as well as those paper animations I used to make in my books. This is below standards back in 2004, shitty port, poor effort, not worth 40 bucks.
-This is bad to you? Well I played this on my console and it looked and felt great, ergo you should enjoy it too!
-That doesn't make the game any less of a blurry, choppy mess. Maybe I should also point out that people sit many times closer to their monitors than they do their TVs, making any display deficiencies vastly more noticeable and irritating?
-Stop being such a whiny bitchy entitled elitist pig.

See all this is, is people who are generally PC gamers pointing out the outright shit quality of the port, and console gamers getting offended/spiteful. Whether it's because they feel personally insulted that their consoles' rendering resolution is shit or something like that, I don't know, but this is the entirety of the thread. "Stop bitching" in this thread can be entirely replaced by "Stop having standards" without the argument changing one bit.

I don't really see a problem with this. The devs admitted that they didn't have experience with the PC and that it was going to be a direct port. It's not like we PC gamers were promised a shining, golden version of the game that could cure cancer and feed the homeless.

So are some of the most basic standards supposed to be completely suspended as long as developers say "Hey, we're inexperienced on this platform."? Not to mention this cannot possibly be the reason for them not even bothering to add different resolutions. Do you honestly think a studio of 200+ people is incapable of doing this (never mind that they could've outsourced to a couple of jackoffs down the street who actually are experienced), or do you think the deadline might have something to do with it?

I am a PC gamer. I always have been. I hate modern consoles with the unbridled fury of a thousand collapsing stars, and I hate what they and "social gaming" have done to the culture landscape surrounding video games. I hate crappy ports just as much as the next PC gamer - I wrote a letter to Bethesda about Skyrim and how disappointed I was at the state of the UI on the PC (seriously, different speeds for the x- and y-axis of a mouse?).

I still think this whole debate is a little ridiculous. The devs of this game didn't want to make a PC game, or they would have done it from the start. Reading between the lines, admitting inexperience was basically a warning, saying, "This probably isn't going to be a very good port." And it wasn't. Yes, it is the developers' fault. Yes, people should point out the specific features that PC gamers demand, like a myriad of resolution options, so that the developers can learn.

Getting angry and chewing them out, though, isn't the answer. It's only going to make them say, "Huh. Those PC gamers relentlessly demanded a port, even though we said we weren't really comfortable with the platform. Now that we've made one, they're angrier than a swarm of bees with a smashed hive? See if we ever develop for the PC again." Thus, more developers refuse to primarily develop for the PC, and the cycle continues.

TL;DR: You are not helping.

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