Two League of Legends "Pros" Banned for Being Horrible

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BiH-Kira:
You get reported in LoL for saying "gg" at the end of the match if you dominated the game.

in all fairness "gg" isn't a bad thing. but most people tend to put "gg easy"

which ALOT of people find offensive, and most of the "gg easy" don't even understand why they get reported in 1st place,because calling someone a noob can't possible piss them off

Skoosh:
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Well, like i said the barrier of entry was higher, DotA was amazing but you needed to be the protegee of someone alredy good, to have natural talent or cash to get into good communities. Fortunately I had a credit card since then, but i must confess to have ruined countless DotA1 and HoN games in order to get decent, not even good, just decent :P

About LoL, dunno, I can't bring myself to play it ATM. I get the itch to go back there every couple of months, then do a couple of games with my level 12 account and remember why i shouldn't play it; bunch of leavers, feeders, ragers, at least in DotA you usually only get baddies and ragers.

So, seems like riot think LoL is in a really good state to start killing the pro teams from its own game.

I mean, it's not like an very similar, newer game is on the horizon, which is already quite big even in closed status.

I don't think they'll have trouble finding people, competitive teams always have a roster with subs. Also, considering they scrim a lot it's very common for them to bring in a sub in who may not even be in their clan/guild.

Seems like LoL takes immediate action with these cases. Glad to see them taking it seriously and trying to keep eSports relatively honorable.

Sseth:
I don't think they'll have trouble finding people, competitive teams always have a roster with subs. Also, considering they scrim a lot it's very common for them to bring in a sub in who may not even be in their clan/guild.

Well, stand-ins give suboptimal results.

IIRC, one of the users banned is an member of mouz (which has a pretty strong team in dota2). It's somewhat costly to train and participate in tournaments. If people get banned over this kind of thing, a team might end dissolving if they can't find a replacement in a really short time.

BiH-Kira:

Phlakes:

BiH-Kira:
You get reported in LoL for saying "gg" at the end of the match if you dominated the game.
Anyone who thinks that the amount of reports in LoL shows anything is delusional.

See, if an average internet user like you thought of that, what makes you think that not a single person at Riot could do the same?

I mean, after thirty seconds of looking around-

Tribunal case evidence includes report reasons and comments, in-game chat log, per player stats and inventory, date, time, map, and mode for each individual game from which the case is built.

These cases are presented to random community members who use the Tribunal who then review the case files and render a judgment - pardon or punish. Player Support then uses this information to help assign the right penalties to the right players.

I know I'm not the expert that you are, but I seriously doubt having six times more reports than everyone else, and being banned for them, means they were still all false ones.

If you want to act like you know better than them, at least make it a little bit reasonable.

So it's better because the same kind people who report for no reason are also judging?
The Tribunal is the worst thing that Riot did.

Also, the guys at Riot think that Healer are anti-fun, that the community is retarded and that they can't create a feminine character without adding gigantic tits. Are you seriously telling me to trust the judgement of those people.

Edit: I'm not talking about this case specifically. I'm talking about Riot's approach to the community in general.

Ok, I have to be a pedantic bitch so excuse me:

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So that's one of your statements reasonably defeated sir!

OT:

So pros break the actual Summoner's Code and expect to not get banned? Were they on stream at the time? I quite like Riot at the moment to be honest... Darius being un-nerfed nonwithstanding of course. XD They're pretty straight and up-front when it comes to their game. They know how god-awful the community can be and are actually trying to do something about it.

More than I can say about some other devs at least.

As a person who has been driven away from multiple online games and communities due to assholes who think it's is their god-given right to be rude to others and not suffer any consequences, can someone explain why harsh policies are a bad idea?
Hell, even 'trash-talk' is unnecessary and often just escalates into flaming.
It doesn't have to be a one-offense-and-banned policy, but a if you behave like shit you get a warning, and when you get three you are out for a very long time.
Feel like this will lead to people spam-reporting? Then make spam-reporting a crime in itself. If you report people for the hell of it, you will get warned yourself.

Here's how you do it: Unless you are playing with your friends, SHUT THE FUCK UP, DON'T SAY A THING. When the game ends, either say nothing at all or say GG and include a damn smiley (You hate smilies? So do I, but since sarcasm can't be translated well on the internet, include one anyway). If you really want to have friendly conversation and trash-talk, fucking ask the opponent first and make sure there won't be any misunderstandings.
If you think that this somehow diminishes the fun of your game, then suck to be you, go play something else.

Edit: I'd probably be more okay with online-games if they all included an option to turn off the chat-system.

Tanakh:
Well, like i said the barrier of entry was higher, DotA was amazing but you needed to be the protegee of someone alredy good, to have natural talent or cash to get into good communities. Fortunately I had a credit card since then, but i must confess to have ruined countless DotA1 and HoN games in order to get decent, not even good, just decent :P

About LoL, dunno, I can't bring myself to play it ATM. I get the itch to go back there every couple of months, then do a couple of games with my level 12 account and remember why i shouldn't play it; bunch of leavers, feeders, ragers, at least in DotA you usually only get baddies and ragers.

Yeah, the barrier of entry was SO high though that it made for a horrible community. LoL, HoN, and DotA are all great and nicer when you're just among pros. You judge the community by how it is for the average player or lower tier players, and DotA had a bunch of assholes. People simply took the game too seriously. And I don't know what you were playing, but DotA had WAY more leavers than LoL and HoN combined for me, likely because it was just so easy to. Alt QQ and join another game. Your experience was because you were part of an exclusive community within that community, not the norm.

I know what you're saying about LoL though, it's certainly not the best, and I haven't played much at all in a while. I have a level 30 account, but I stopped playing. Not so much because of a bad community, but a lack of one. WC3 in general just had lots of clans and people talking. Don't see that with MOBAs in general though.

Skoosh:
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Yeah, maybe I am lucky. As for current communities, I find NADOTA a good place ( http://nadota.com/forum.php ), but again not noobfriendly at all and I am way too bad to play with the best players there :P

Thinking of joining a clan like http://feverclan.com/forums/65-application-section.html , but dunno... atm i just play with one friend from way back and some friends new to the game that suck ass.

If anything, since DotA 2 is the underdog of the two big ARTS it seems some places have a higher sense of community, that is even if people flame, rage and shit, you can also find interesting discussions and interact with casters and pro players rather easily.

Therumancer:
I have mixed opinions.

On one hand this is good, on the other hand this is done entirely by an automated system apparently. The justification for these guys getting banned is based on the percentage of complaints/reports filed rather than specific incidents and things they did.

The problem with automated systems is that they are easily abused, we've already had plenty of horror stories about people being locked out of their accounts due to automated systems, after having done very little. I myself had a problem (albiet one that never went that far) when I noticed my Gamer Rep on XBL dropping playing online fighting games because half the time I'd beat someone they would report me for unsportsmanlike conduct or something else, a routine behavior with a lot of that community. I wound up stopping playing fighting games over XBL as a result.

See, in a case like this when it comes to dominant players you have to ask, how many people were complaining because they actually did something, or because they just didn't like the player or losing to them.

To me, I'd rather hear that someone working for the company descended with the mighty banhammer after personally catching them saying "X, X, and Y" to other players, than hearing "oh well, the guy had complaints in 29% of his matches" which from my own experience could just be people throwing tantrums similar to what I've run into (and I'm not even good at fighting games, god forbid what it's like for some of the pros in MOBA games and such).

The way this sounds, unless they present some actual proof, I'd actually be considering a lawsuit if it was costing me money via tournament participation, and accuse the company of trying to load the tourney.

In a more general sense, when I briefly returned to WoW to try "Pandas" (which was meh) I had to go through an act of congress to re-activate my account due to Blizzard's automated system having shut it down for cheating... when it was an inactive account (and was intact as far as I could tell when I actually got in). I've also been threatened by automated systems detecting improper behavior with other online games I wasn't even playing or didn't even have installed (and even re-installed them to check it out and found nada).

In short, I put absolutly no faith in any kind of automated "recognition" software, and even less faith in any kind of impersonal system by which one player can "report" another for any reason and have it go into some kind of meaningful record without human involvement. IMO these companies need to actually hire some bloody people, and stop trying to cut corners by automating everything. Especially Blizzard... really, there is no excuse for some of the crap I've gotten from them (always bureaucratic stuff, not user complaints). "Your account has been locked out due to improper behavior" Rly? My account that hasn't been on for 2 years was trying to sell gold? The one that has all of it's gold and items intact? I've been detected trying to sell my Diablo 3 account, the one with my mighty Level 17 Wizard (since I wound up not caring much for the game)... I'm sure people were lining up by the thousands for that one. :)

This is simply incorrect. You wrote a very long and detailed post here, so it's pretty sad that I have to tell people to disregard everything you just said.

Since these were publicised, high-profile cases and since it was about banning the PLAYERS not just their accounts (as most pro players have several accounts anyway) Riot obviously assessed the cases personally before making their rulings. That's really all there is to it- you say their banning was the result of a completely automated system, but it wasn't. The end.

I don't know anything about LoL. But out of curiosity, was it made clear in advance that this behaviour can get you banned?

Big applause to Riot Games. Someone needed to start sniping out these people and amping up dat Tribunal.
The community reeks; let's get to work!

hellflame:

BiH-Kira:
You get reported in LoL for saying "gg" at the end of the match if you dominated the game.

in all fairness "gg" isn't a bad thing. but most people tend to put "gg easy"

which ALOT of people find offensive, and most of the "gg easy" don't even understand why they get reported in 1st place,because calling someone a noob can't possible piss them off

^Truth. People don't ban for 'gg' (as opposed to gg-easy), no matter what the context (albeit very VERY extreme situations, but these are far and few inbetween)

Maybe im not fully grasping lol and what these guy do in it but cant they just make new accounts and go back to playing?

I have to admit that I like this news. Part of the reason I like Riot is that they are actually doing something about the horrible community, I used to play LoL near daily but now I can hardly bring myself to play it due to how most people act in game.

I am not innocent, I try to avoid raging but sometimes I have played too much LoL and haven't had the break I need so I end up trolling assholes in one of my games every now and then. I feel bad afterward for the one or two guys on my team who didn't do anything but damn. Im learning that it's impossible to keep playing LoL for too long without breaks because you just get worn down by the awful community.

Darks63:
Maybe im not fully grasping lol and what these guy do in it but cant they just make new accounts and go back to playing?

AFAIK they're banned from all the tournaments... including the important ones where teams show up rather then play over the internet and riot knows who these guys are so even if they have a new username they still can't participate lest they undergo plastic surgery and a name change.

" 0.06% of all EU players"

Top 0.06% of LoL players (in the EU)?

I dread to think what being on mic-chat with them must have been like! It must have been the audio equivalent of having a sewer pipe hooked up to your mouth.

hellflame:

Darks63:
Maybe im not fully grasping lol and what these guy do in it but cant they just make new accounts and go back to playing?

AFAIK they're banned from all the tournaments... including the important ones where teams show up rather then play over the internet and riot knows who these guys are so even if they have a new username they still can't participate lest they undergo plastic surgery and a name change.

ahh ok i thought it was just an account thing were they could bypass the ban by simply getting a new account the way hackers and exploiters do in mmos.

I dunno, isn't being a trash talking elitist prick part and parcel of playing games like LoL?

Heh, I just realized this is a gamer's version of news.

I also realized I enjoy news like these. I mean, I don't like watching or talking about sports. But GAMING sports news are awesome.

I'll keep an eye on that issue; maybe I'll even catch a live match online or something (If that's possible).

m19:
I don't know anything about LoL. But out of curiosity, was it made clear in advance that this behaviour can get you banned?

Yes. Not that they needed to... I mean... people should have the common sense to behave like decent people online, right ?

Samanya:
Yes. Not that they needed to... I mean... people should have the common sense to behave like decent people online, right ?

If the punishment is a long term ban that affects someone's income for being an as*hole. I'd say, yes, it needs to be clear in advance.

m19:

Samanya:
Yes. Not that they needed to... I mean... people should have the common sense to behave like decent people online, right ?

If the punishment is a long term ban that affects someone's income for being an as*hole. I'd say, yes, it needs to be clear in advance.

If I went to work and called everyone I didn't like a Such and Such, you can bet your ass I'd be escorted out of the building with walking papers in hand, and I probably wouldn't be able to get a job in the industry ever again.

Same concept here, if these retarded monkies (the LoL "pros", har) can't maintain professionalism in the trade that is earning their income, then they don't deserve to be there. Not a hard thing to grasp.

It's only fair and a fitting example when "top players" aren't given a free pass. A lot of gamers act like being good at a game is all that counts in life, but acting like a decent person is optional. They ruin it for everyone else.

There's more than enough jerks in any online game that should be shown their place, good or not. If they earn money from it or have been playing for a long time, one should expect them to behave better, and judge them a little harsher than some kid.

Ympulse:

If I went to work and called everyone I didn't like a Such and Such, you can bet your ass I'd be escorted out of the building with walking papers in hand, and I probably wouldn't be able to get a job in the industry ever again.

Same concept here, if these retarded monkies (the LoL "pros", har) can't maintain professionalism in the trade that is earning their income, then they don't deserve to be there. Not a hard thing to grasp.

Well your line of work isn't the only one out there. In professional competitive sports it's not uncommon. In combat sports trash talk is even a sort of unofficial part of the job. Rules always need be clear in advance. I have no problem with it not being tolerated. But there need to be clear guide lines and a clear process. Especially here, where it has been common before, nothing should happen out of the blue because of "common sense" that wasn't there yesterday.

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