Rumor: Electronic Arts Closes Visceral Montreal

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Oh, fuck you EA; first you killed Dead Space, and then you extra-killed it.

Granted I liked Dead Space 3, but there were a few rather glaring flaws, like the cover shooting and how the Necromorphs have gotten kind of old by now (pun very intended for those who've played the game).

Therumancer:
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I share your utter animosity towards Electronic Arts, but there are several things you have said that I simply cannot take a stand for. For one, the story aspect of a game is entirely up to the developers. For some of those that know this they blame the lack of quality writing on the fact that the previous writer for Bioware left a while ago. That said, I did not particularly find the ending to Mass Effect 3 so offensive as everyone else did, but that is a matter of opinion. However, they did release a free DLC to extend the ending of ME3 which expands on a lot of things people complained about. You won't get everything you asked for, but that's the case and we have to deal with it.

Dead Space 3 I can agree with. The first wasn't particularly frightening or good for that matter. Am I the only one who remember how floaty the controls were?

Dead Space sure never reached the amazing potential it could have been (It was a great IP in general), and sure EA destroyed the horror aspect completely, but Christ EA, talk about no mercy.

The irony: It was EA's fault it did't sell well. Oh EA! Why do you not have your own sitcom?

viceral montreal? so thats like the entirity of viceral? they didnt seem big enough to have multiple locations

Cue the obligatory EA graveyard pic:
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This is what I heard. My brother work as a 3d modelist in a marketing studio. One of his co-worker had somes friends working in visceral montreal. What he said was that after their crunch time to ship Army of Two in time, nearly everyone was laid off, and nobody had an idea it would happen.

Laying of your employee just after crunch time. Classy.

How are people missing this?

Visceral Redwood makes the Dead Spaces. Well it's just called Visceral now. As it's the main office and studio and everything.

Visceral Montreal is behind the Army of Two. Seriously, how can anyone even confuse the two? <.>

OT: I feel bad for the people at Montreal. First they're laid off and now people are mis-crediting them with Dead Space.

recruit00:

No. I don't want people to be out of work. I'm not butthurt about DA2 or ME3. I just hate their games with a passion. So tropy and unimaginative and people think they are the greatest RPGs ever to come out. Umm, if this is such a good game, then why does it pull out every fantasy trope ever (DA:O). Mass Effect never interested me and Shepherd was such a tool both literarily and figuratively. And the gameplay doesn't even make up for the shit stories, either.

Beacuse tropes aren't a bad thing that invalidates the work they're in?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropesAreTools

If DA:O was 3.5e, I would have enjoyed it but alas, why use a system that works?

Gotta disagree here, the rpgs they made based on P&P rule set were almost entirely reliant on you understanding the rule set before you played the game. Some of my friends never played 3rd edition D&D, so they sturggled to play Neverwinter Nights, and therefore did not enjoy it. Whereas I did know the rules, and really enjoyed the game (even if I had to use my Player's Handbook to plan character progression, as the game didn't give any details on prerequisites). Likewise, when I picked up Baldur's Gate, I quit shorlty after starting because of the 2nd ed rules it was using and I couldn't be bothered with learning an obsolete rpg rules system so I could play a game. Moving away from exisitng P&P rules for their games was one of the best moves Bioware made imo.

Edit: Eh, on second thought, I'll just keep that bit to myself.

Anyways, just wanted to say that EA really needs to realize that the best way for them to make money off the franchises they own is to leave them the hell alone. The franchises were making money BEFORE EA picked them up, so clearly they were doing something right on their own.

Also known as: EA ruins another decent studio slowly, scapegoating it's own failure to understand what a good game is.

War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Transition is our friend

Wolle:
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Transition is our friend

Precisely. This is nearly Orwellian.

For those who care: This has nothing to do with transition, and everything to do with EA's terrible management. From its high in 2008, EA Stock has dropped from $53.26 per share to about $17.75 per share. This started when they tried to take over Take-Two entertainment and failed, and slid further and further into failure after failure.

Rumor has it that they spent $150 million dollars developing the Star Wars MMO, if they had even saved 10% of that cash, how many people could still have jobs at EA come next week? Also, EA's marketing and administration costs in the last fiscal year are roughly equal to development costs, meaning that for every dollar spent on making a game, EA wastes a dollar on marketing, executive salaries, and keeping Origin afloat.

And everyone thinks the new console generation, with improved graphics and higher development costs, is a GOOD idea? New consoles are just going to create more undeserving studio closings. If companies have trouble with the current development cost for consoles nothing is going to end well next generation.

tehpiemaker:

Therumancer:
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I share your utter animosity towards Electronic Arts, but there are several things you have said that I simply cannot take a stand for. For one, the story aspect of a game is entirely up to the developers. For some of those that know this they blame the lack of quality writing on the fact that the previous writer for Bioware left a while ago. That said, I did not particularly find the ending to Mass Effect 3 so offensive as everyone else did, but that is a matter of opinion. However, they did release a free DLC to extend the ending of ME3 which expands on a lot of things people complained about. You won't get everything you asked for, but that's the case and we have to deal with it.

Dead Space 3 I can agree with. The first wasn't particularly frightening or good for that matter. Am I the only one who remember how floaty the controls were?

I disagree to a great degree, I feel that developers have a duty to ongoing properties and their fans, especially if they are picking up someone else's work as might be the case here if the original writers DID leave.

That point aside, you have to understand that with Mass Effect 3 it's not *just* about the ending being crap, and it is, because it doesn't fit the rest of the series (which I won't break down yet again unless it becomes nessicary), but also because the developers came out and promised the fans specific things with the ending, such as it not being an A, B, or C choice which it was. They also promised that all of the questions in the series up until this point would be answered and everything tied up in a nice, neat, little package.

The Devs not only failed to deliver on this promise, but a "behind the scenes" app made it clear that they never had any intention of delivering on those promises, stating specifically that they were never going to deliver the answers people wanted, because those can be used to inspire other games. Or in short, they wrecked the trilogy for franchise potential... pure greed.

It's also apparently been documented (going back to the original contreversy) that they started ME3 without an ending in mind, eventually they puked something out based on a letter written by an 8 year old boy the studio lead taped to his door as an example.

Extending and explaining an ending that didn't work for the series to begin with is little more than an insult to the fans (which is why I never DLed the free content). It's largely saying "we don't care what people think, we're going to do this anyway". A lot of this issue largely being fueled by the industry not wanting to surrender to fans for fear of the precedent it would cause. That's why it seems there was so many articles by other people in the industry advising EA not to cave it seems. I don't think it was ever about creative integrity, since the whole problem exists because there is no creative integrity here... or any integrity at all for that matter.

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As far as Dead Space goes, I personally like the game and it's franchise, including the first one (especially the first one) it innovated a bunch of cool things. My point is simply that it was never really a horror franchise, more like a dark science fiction story... a "wierd tale" to use an old term for a story without a definitive genere. People complained from the very beginning that it was an action game and didn't live up to the hype in magazines like "Game Informer" that it was going to be more horror than anything. People who wanted a new, genuine, survival horror game were disappointed from the beginning. Continueing to say that Dead Space is not a horror franchise, which it never was, as we knew from the first game, has lost any relevency. By the third game you should know exactly what this franchise is and stop QQing about it.

To be honest it could be argued "Dead Space" is one of those games that inspired current bad trends though. It is a game that was hyped as being something very differant than what it actually delivered. It wound up being a decent game and IP though, so people supported it anyway, largely due to "judging it on it's own merits". That wound up being a bad thing because now people in the industry can point to Dead Space, and it's two sequels, as an example of why lying works, especially when trying to sell action games as horror. If people had not supported it, no matter how good the game turned out to be on it's own merits, I suspect a lot of later atrocities, especially from EA, never would have happened. Gamers as a whole have not been good at actually putting their foot down on promises made by the gaming companies, which has simply caused them to grow bolder.

I also think that these kinds of trends have lead to a lot of developers believing they can just dial in work, and leave lies and marketing to cover it. I think "Colonial Marines" is an example of that. Great marketing and deceptions used to promote a steaming pile of 5 year old technology and gameplay with a franchise stamped onto it.

A real shame. Dead Space 3 is a really good game.

major_chaos:

recruit00:

Adam Jensen:
Next stop - Bioware.

Fuck you EA. FUCK YOU!

One can only hope...

Thats right man! they made two games I personally disliked so they should all lose their jobs! and then get cancer! becuse DA2 was literally the worst thing ever right? Good god gamers can be vicious.

You read that completely wrong...

just saying.

edit: nevermind, I apologize, I'm not sure what the second poster is implying.

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