Microsoft Exec on Always Online Consoles: "Deal With it"

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Oh, you silly, silly man. With that fucking ridiculous attitude alone you've probably made some people decide to go with PS4 this gen instead of the NextBox.

You know, as someone who spends most of their time gaming on the Xbox, I've defended them before but this guy is just so fucking stupid.

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This guy, plus the rumours surrounding the console itself are definitely making me consider the PS4, or just simply becoming part of the "PC Master Race"

I just can't fathom the chain of thoughts that led him to think any of his responses to his initial tweet were a good idea. I mean when you're in a hole stop digging, don't make stupid laboured analogies. For me sure I'll be disappointed if the Nextbox is "Always online." I've had 3 Xbox 360's so far and 4 years of Xbox Gold so more fool me I suppose for continually reinvesting in it but hey all my friends were on Live and a PS3 without them wouldn't have been as enjoyable.

Still I'll just wait for Microsofts official stance on always online, if it indeed is as all the speculation points to be. Then I'll either get a PS4 or finally build myself that gaming rig I've always promised. I will not buy that console. I'm pretty sure from talking to friends of mine a migration over to the PS4 will be in order for a good nummber of us.

Still I suppose the one thing we can all look forward to is much less of the "Console wars" fighting we all saw for years. Don't see how you could defend an always online camera in your bedroom/living room that monitors your content consumption outside of 1984.

For me, having access to the internet is not an issue. That said, the availability of servers is a BIG issue. At this moment, I can hook up my N64 and play a few rounds of Mario Kart. If the N64 had an always-online requirement, those servers would likely have been shut down by now, so the console would be useless.

When the day comes that Microsoft is no longer making money off of Durango, they will shut down the servers, bricking the console for everyone. Many of those people will have spent thousands of dollars on the hardware and software, which they would no longer be able to use. The thought of that is offensive to me.

If this rumour turns out to be true, there is no way I would consider buying it.

Here's my two cents:

A) My internet is spotty
B) I don't want to chew up my bandwidth and download/upload limit with useless crap and updates
C) What the guy above me said.

Desert Punk:

Nazulu:

Desert Punk:

Considering this story is being picked up by...everywhere... this guy dug his own grave

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52760187&postcount=4354

And you know its bad when even the official xbox magazine starts to cover it

http://www.oxm.co.uk/51901/microsoft-creative-director-defends-always-online-consoles-trades-blows-with-bioware/

Yeah, that looks like it's going to bite him in the ass.

Even though he's stupid I don't think he deserves that much publicity. Though, the publishers/developers should have come out awhile ago to say the rumors aren't true. What the hell are they waiting for?

developers have come out and said it IS true, it will require an online connection.

"Given that legally I cannot confirm or deny if this information is true, nor can I comment on rumor or speculation, all I can say is be sure to pay your ISP bills ."

Info on the developer who said it:
http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2200505&postcount=46

That certainly seems like they want to push it, and I reckon they're just waiting to see peoples reactions.

I really hope our community doesn't give into this shit. This is just sick. I've been saying for awhile now that every time the technology becomes more advanced, the more they force it on us and limit our options. It should be the other fucking way around! Where the hell is our standards!?

I'm crossing the next Xbox of the list regardless for leaving it this long to tell us their plans.

teqrevisited:
Well at least now I wont consider getting whatever their console ends up being. My PC doesn't care if it's offline and neither do I.

Except you can't play Diablo 3 or Simcity single player.....

I think the issue is that only a couple of games on PC have the always online DRM problem but one day in the not so distant future all your PC games might not work without internet.

Even if my internet connection was perfect, always on is not a feature. It's an inconvenience. It's a limitation. It's isn't there to provide me with the best possible experience. It is there to control my experience. Goodbye Microsoft. You had a good run, but now it's over.

amaranth_dru:

Strazdas:

d)There has never been a vacuum cleaner that didn't require being plugged in.

yes there was, it was called a broom.

Hate to point out some inconsistencies, but...
A. A broom sweeps, a vacuum sucks, two totally different concepts (I realize vacuums have sweepers, but thats not their function as they are called vacuums for a reason.)

B. Brooms don't work well on carpet or rugs.

Ohh Ohhh... I have a little handheld vacumm cleaner for my car. Doesn't require an always online electricity connection.

Strazdas:

if electricity goes out, you dont clame the cacuum creator, but if YOUR INTERNET goes out, you blame microsoft? double standarts FTW?

Here's the thing, if I had a good solid internet connection that was cheap and reliable and multiple internet plugs in every room of my house, then maybe it wouldn't be an issue but as it is, I have my modem next to the ONLY telephone jack in the house (in the kitchen) and the only way to get internet to my living room which wireless, which sucks.

the_green_dragon:

teqrevisited:
Well at least now I wont consider getting whatever their console ends up being. My PC doesn't care if it's offline and neither do I.

Except you can't play Diablo 3 or Simcity single player.....

I think the issue is that only a couple of games on PC have the always online DRM problem but one day in the not so distant future all your PC games might not work without internet.

You can play Diablo 3 singleplayer, and Simcity is being worked on.

That is one benefit of PC, you cant fix this kinda broken shit on consoles like you can on PC :P

the_green_dragon:

teqrevisited:
Well at least now I wont consider getting whatever their console ends up being. My PC doesn't care if it's offline and neither do I.

Except you can't play Diablo 3 or Simcity single player.....

I think the issue is that only a couple of games on PC have the always online DRM problem but one day in the not so distant future all your PC games might not work without internet.

A little bleak don't you think? I doubt all gaming company's want their games to always be online, plus those always online games won't have servers running them forever and will probably be cracked eventually.

Did a little googling and discovered vacuum cleaners that don't require electricity:

http://www.vector-vacuums.com/gas-powered-vacuums-c-69.html

http://www.industrialairsolutions.com/industrial-vacuums/Vacuum_Sweepers/Power-vac-propane-sweeper.htm

Now granted, these are industrial vacuum cleaners, but there is no particular reason why you couldn't build a small, fairly quiet, LPG powered vacuum cleaner.

Also, whenever people talk about NextBoxes, I'm always reminded of NeXT, the company Steve Jobs set up after he was fired from Apple in 1985, which failed miserably despite creating several really good computers and the version of Unix that OSX is based on.

Ok Ok, I didn't know Diablo 3 could be played offline, I stopped caring after they announced always online DRM shit so I did't pay attention.

Nazulu:

A little bleak don't you think? I doubt all gaming company's want their games to always be online, plus those always online games won't have servers running them forever and will probably be cracked eventually.

My every game will be online statement is merely something which COULD happen.... one day. maybe, but the point is a lot of games which I like are starting to incorprate crap like this.

Dead Space 3 with their micro transactions.
The countless games with online passes, ect

ALSO I would like to mention back in the day I could buy a PC game and install it on all my computers and when I was done I could give/lend/sell it to a friend, now all my PC games are digital downloads and I can't do that anymore. I miss those days

Well, he just fucked it up pretty bad.
I almost feel sorry for the marketing / PR department there, good luck spinning this guys!

Rule 101 of sales guys, have empathy with your customers. It matters fuck all if YOU find their complaint useless or 'drama', if they (think) they got a valid complaint, you treat it as such and solve it. (FYI, talking in general here)

Also since i do not own a Xbox, any xbox owners may correct me on this but;
Since you need Xbox live (or, the being able to go online thing) and this new one is always online. Don't they FORCE you to use XBOX live? Especially since Xbox live is a subscription model (what? 15 euro's a month or so?) i can't see that go over too well either

Or am i completely missing the board and is the online they talk about different from Xbox live?

You know, I've always been on the fence about this in some games. I think it was a bad idea in Simcity, but I can understand some of the rationale behind Diablo 3.

However, there is a more serious problem with an entire console requiring always online. What happens 10[5] years from now when XBox 40k comes out and they now need new servers to handle that system's always online functionality? Do they lower available bandwidth and make people deal with it? Do they run twice as many servers, doubling the cost of it all and possibly having to squeeze more money out of the consumer for it? And more importantly, what happens 20[10] years from now when they stop producing games for it altogether? Do they shut down the servers? Is there a potential firmware upgrade that will let the system run on its own? Will a single game available on the system be playable in the future? Do they even care if it is?

Obviously these are all pure speculation, but I'm 30 and I still have my original NES which still is in perfect working condition over 20 years from when I got it. I've seen the beginning and end of the PS2. It lived a long and full life, and I still use it because I enjoy games for it. Hell, I've only ever owned one vacuum cleaner, lovingly pushed along many a carpet. There is basically no way they can assuage my fear that any game I play on that system will eventually become obsolete and unplayable. I can't think of any way they can assure us that they would support any kind of way to archive those old games (aside from the obvious re-packaging as download-only on a new system, forcing you to re-buy, since obviously backwards compatibility is a thing of the past). It's a gamble I am not willing to take.

(Here's the vacuum comparison by the way. If there is a possibility that in ten years, you will HAVE to buy a new vacuum cleaner because they no longer support it, would you buy that vacuum?)

Desert Punk:
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Totally agree with you, I'm not why Strazdas is trying to defend always on DRM or insulting people with dial-up modems.....

I think that anyone who says stupid crap will look like a stupid ass and whatever company they work for will look stupid for hiring the stupid ass in the first place.

Longstreet:
Well, he just fucked it up pretty bad.
I almost feel sorry for the marketing / PR department there, good luck spinning this guys!

Rule 101 of sales guys, have empathy with your customers. It matters fuck all if YOU find their complaint useless or 'drama', if they (think) they got a valid complaint, you treat it as such and solve it. (FYI, talking in general here)

Also since i do not own a Xbox, any xbox owners may correct me on this but;
Since you need Xbox live (or, the being able to go online thing) and this new one is always online. Don't they FORCE you to use XBOX live? Especially since Xbox live is a subscription model (what? 15 euro's a month or so?) i can't see that go over too well either

Or am i completely missing the board and is the online they talk about different from Xbox live?

Xbox live GOLD is paid, Xbox live SILVER is free. You can't play games online with Xbox silver but you can still do other basic junk.

coldfrog:
I'm 30 and I still have my original NES which still is in perfect working condition over 20 years from when I got it.

Its ok, NO XBOX will ever last that long without breaking.

ProtoChimp:
Adam Orth you sir are a cunt. What are you? You're a cunt, yes you are. You live in a cunty cottage and you drive a cunty car.

Desert Punk:

SecondPrize:

Desert Punk:

Also, I'd like to add that this is also an article from Yesterday with another Source basically saying the same thing, even offering specifics: http://kotaku.com/the-next-xbox-will-require-an-internet-connection-to-st-470062456 which this was apparently a reaction to.

Calling it now. The next console war is already over, congratulations Sony. I probably shouldn't discount the idiocy of consumers but I'm sticking to this prediction.

I think you meant to quote Dexter there... I am not even sure how you managed to do that.

But I must agree, I will be chosing Sony over Microsoft this next gen thanks to this idiots antics as well as Always Online

I snipped a bunch of stuff to keep it small, not sure what I did either. Anywho, yeah this guy is an ass but it's certainly the always online requirement that will do it for me, should it come to pass. I'm not certain i'll get a ps4 but I'll want a console at some point unless fighting game devs embrace the pc and I won't be "dealing with" something which is unusable if my internet goes sideways.

The internet is decimating this guy

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What a useless moron

Wow this got out of hand, He was joking around with one of his friends on twitter. Yeah it sounds horrible out of context, but he was honestly just making stupid statements and messing with his friend.

My internet is shite due to the area i live in and uk goverment isn't going to be fixing that any time soon.
So guess i wont be getting the next microsoft console after all then :(

Bonus points for the douschey attitude and crappy metaphors.

Deal with it = Don't buy it.

Two most likely scenarios to come from this:

1- Today or Monday at the latest, Mr Orth will issue a statement about how he now "gets the drama" along with vague promises that Microsoft is re-evaluating the requirements of their next generation console.

2- A senior exec will decide that it's too expensive to re-evaluate things at this point, and it's cheaper to cut an executive loose.

Odds on which is more likely?

Wow, Sony have an amazing marketing department. This is an advert for the PS4 right? No? Goodness me!

I guess everyone who was on the fence about which console to choose will have an easier decision. Microsoft will just have to deal with it.

the_green_dragon:

teqrevisited:
Well at least now I wont consider getting whatever their console ends up being. My PC doesn't care if it's offline and neither do I.

Except you can't play Diablo 3 or Simcity single player.....

True, but I play neither. Partially for that very reason.

Even dismissing the fact that fast, reliable internet connections aren't universally available across even the most developed countries there are still a lot of people who just want to play singleplayer games or just be offline to begin with. Forcing someone to be online to play singleplayer components of games is insane.

the_green_dragon:
Ok Ok, I didn't know Diablo 3 could be played offline, I stopped caring after they announced always online DRM shit so I did't pay attention.

Nazulu:

A little bleak don't you think? I doubt all gaming company's want their games to always be online, plus those always online games won't have servers running them forever and will probably be cracked eventually.

My every game will be online statement is merely something which COULD happen.... one day. maybe, but the point is a lot of games which I like are starting to incorprate crap like this.

Dead Space 3 with their micro transactions.
The countless games with online passes, ect

ALSO I would like to mention back in the day I could buy a PC game and install it on all my computers and when I was done I could give/lend/sell it to a friend, now all my PC games are digital downloads and I can't do that anymore. I miss those days

Well I WON'T let it happen :-)

Is the Dead Space 3 micro-transactions really that bad? I remember it was a popular discussion here before but I was too busy at the time to look into it.

I also miss the days with total freedom, but unfortunately there are a lot of people who don't care for paying for their entertainment so I can understand some policy's must be put in place.

Nazulu:

I also miss the days with total freedom, but unfortunately there are a lot of people who don't care for paying for their entertainment so I can understand some policy's must be put in place.

I understand the measures are needed to fight pirates but I was OK with having the CD in all the time, I just like owning the physical product and being able to do with it as I pleased, which is why I like consoles so much, I OWN the game and once I'm done I can sell it and buy a new game. With PC I'm kind of stuck with whatever crap game I bought regardless of how much I regret the purchase.

Longstreet:

Also since i do not own a Xbox, any xbox owners may correct me on this but;
Since you need Xbox live (or, the being able to go online thing) and this new one is always online. Don't they FORCE you to use XBOX live? Especially since Xbox live is a subscription model (what? 15 euro's a month or so?) i can't see that go over too well either

Or am i completely missing the board and is the online they talk about different from Xbox live?

To play games online you need xbox live gold which you have to pay for 40 for 12 months (or 13 month cards which are easy to find) which works out to slightly over 3 a month

but to do anything else you dont need gold or a silver account (free) to play single player we can be offline unless the game itself says otherwise and i cant think of any xbox game that does it, somone will correct on that and find one.

but i really have no idea where you got your information from dude

EDIT

on thet note if this does turn out to be always online (which it seems it very much will be) are they going to have the nerve to charge us for a subscription?

BurnOutBrighter:
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So one second everyone's trying to take the moral high ground against that Machinima video and less than a day later people start doing this shit over a few tweets.

This is why nobody likes gamers.

Not to say people shouldn't be allowed to criticize or any of that shit, but this is a lot of words that I can't say unless I'm looking for some mod wrath.

EDIT: Also someone out there is going to say that it's "all in good fun", and they would be wrong.

EDIT2: And anyone involved in this has lost their right to complain about someone calling gamers childish. If you don't want to be called childish you shouldn't act like middle schoolers.

Norrdicus:
Sony CEO Kaz Hirai, what do you have to say about this?

Hello?

You ther-

I'm still looking into the Nextbox if it will be good but that was the biggest burn I have seen in days.

My internet connection is great and 99% of the time it is working correctly and my PC, my PS3 and several other devices all have no problem staying online. My Xbox 360 on the other hand only ever connects whenever it bloody well feels like it - 70% of the time it decides that it cant find any kind of internet connection despite everything being fine on every other device. I would never have brought any kind of always online console anyway, but especially not if its being made by the same people who couldnt make their old console connect to the internet reliably. The always online isnt even top of my list for why I wont be getting a Nextbox either (Im looking at you Kinect).

If I do decide to take part in the next console generation it will certainly be with Sony - not Microsoft.

Not entirely sure Microsoft will want to hold on to Mr. Orthhole here.

How to alienate people may be his own personal pet project, but doing it as an employee of a corporation much invested in our vested interest right before they come for all our monies like zombies go for brRrraaaaains! is a pretty braindead way of manifesting hipster disconnect, no matter who you are.

If that's Microsoft's official stance, well, good luck to them as I see what's happening in PS4 land, dancing, and skipping, and singing and frolicking all my merry, partly off-line way.

What's with the captcha? It looks like some sort of intelligence test today.

'; drop tab le users;

really?

No I will not "deal with it" I will not be buying your product or any other product that requires me to be online all the fucking time.

"The mobile phone reception in the area I live in is spotty and unreliable. I will not buy a mobile phone," he added.

I bet this guy even thinks he's clever to use that as an example of a fallacy. He's not even trying to imply that buying a mobile phone will solve the problem.

Everyone has made an example so I will also: does a gameboy from 1989 NEED to be connected to the internet?

CriticalMiss:
Wow, Sony have an amazing marketing department. This is an advert for the PS4 right? No? Goodness me!

You fool! You just provided with them damage control! Microsoft will say that Sony hacked his twitter account and made him say stupid shit.

Nazulu:

Is the Dead Space 3 micro-transactions really that bad? I remember it was a popular discussion here before but I was too busy at the time to look into it.

Can't speak from personal experience (I didn't play Dead Space 3). But the micro-transactions sort of enhanced the corporate nature of the game when EA had stated that "Dead Space 3 needs to sell 5 million copies to be financially viable."

So we sort of inferred the rest of their thought process was: "We can't sell five million copies? Micron-transactions should be able to cover for that!"

I'm sure people will deal with it. They will deal with it by staying as far away as fucking humanly possible from the new Xbox. If the rumors are true about the always online feature then I hope Microsoft enjoys going to third place in the console wars next generation.

Here's the thing, it's not just people with bad connections or no connections that will be put off by this. There are also parents who won't want their children near a device that is always online. Then you will also have all the people who may very well have perfect connections, like myself, who will just avoid it out of principal. Christ, they may as well go ahead and REALLY fuck themselves sideways and ban used games on it too while they are at it.

There may be a time for an always online console but that time is not now and I think that if Microsoft tries the waters on one they are going to end up failing in such a glorious fashion the likes we haven't seen since Sega last tried to release a console.

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