Xbox One Won't Support SDTVs

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Some reason... EA looks better in comparison to Microsoft. I would usually expect this kind of broken service from EA because of their greed but making a console this bad Microsoft where it's seriously going to bomb before even release? ... Jeez. Who came up with a console where a majority of TVs people own will not work with it? The more I hear about Xbox One, the more I feel Microsoft is losing their touch with what consumers really want.

Hark! Whats that noise? Its the sound of Microsoft digging its own grave. Just being who they are this company is already a lightning rod for misdirected hate. Going out of their way to so arrogantly alienate people who would have otherwise been happy customers seems a rather poor business plan.

When only one device won't work with your aging yet still working as intended tech, that device is the one out of step with everyone else. I'm personally seeing the Xbox One akin to the DAT tape of the music world or the Laser Disc of the video world. I also find it hilarious that the article author mentions Betamax, as I feel that in a few years that is exactly how console gamers will remember the Xbox One.

This is retarded, most new HDTV's have the features Microsoft is banging on about installed as standard.

Having it SD compatible would have opened up a nice market of consumers who want those features but don't/can't shell out for a new TV.

Grey Carter:

thethird0611:
Oh lord, please dont be apart of that 'Xbone' group. Every time I see a post with that word in it, I immediately throw out all credibility of that post and stop reading. This also include M$ and the such. It feels sooooooooooooo immature.

But about the original topic... I cant specifically say anything good or bad about this. Many people are using Neilson ratings as their go to stat, but we also dont see how many of those people who use SD TV's actually connect an Xbox to it. With the current population, we have a LARGE amount of older adults compared to younger, and they are the most likely to have those older SD TV's.

How can you say anything about the topic if you immediately stopped reading?

I did read the rest of the story here mainly because it wasn't just a normal post on the forum, which is the main area im point the 'immaturity' and such comments. I still felt the need to comment on it though because of the prevalence of those things on the forum.

Also, I like your news write ups, that's just an annoying tidbit on this one, personally.

Another reason why I won't get this. I still use my ten year old dinosaur of an SDTV.

Why was this news post so needlessly antagonistic towards people who still have SDTVs? I am someone who is working hard to make ends meet, and even if I wanted this steaming pile of crap of a console to play games I can get on my 5-year-old-PC anyway, the cost of an XBone being $600-$700 instead of $400-$500 (New TV + Console) is enough of a difference to keep me from even attempting to enjoy it.

I just thought the line about the Nixon era was a little condescending. If everyone wants to keep shelling out untold amounts of money year in and year out, trying to keep up with the circus of a cycle that is maintaining the newest technology, that's fine. But is there really a need to act so elitist and condescending to people who don't want to possess or can't afford the newest technology? You see it when people mock a slow loader in a match of LoL for having a "toaster" for a computer, you see it when its insinuated that anyone without an HDTV (slightly higher resolution football, be still my beating heart) is a caveman. "You don't have shiny stuff, luuuul" isn't that classy when there are just some things that people can't afford.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Maybe the Escapist's recent trend towards occasional needlessly sensationalist titles for their news articles has just soured the tone in which I read all their media. Except of course for Jimquisition, Moviebob, and Yatzhee: those three rock and I could never sour on them lol.

This really isn't surprising at all. Hell, where I live you can't even watch normal television without a HD digital box thingo. Personally I can never go back to playing in SD again as it looks so terrible compared to HD. Sometimes you just need to move forward with technology.

DVS BSTrD:

Sonic Doctor:
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Or maybe

JUST maybe

People who don't already have an HDTV and are perfectly happy with SD don't want to have to spend another $200 dollars just to be able to play a $60 game on a next generation console? especially after paying $500 for the Xbone itself?

It's all matter of circumstances. If you end up having to pay more, you pay more.

I know I won't have the money saved up for the Xbox One when it launches, so what will I do?

That's right, I will wait till I've saved the money to get it.

If I didn't have an HDTV already, what would I do?

That's right, I wouldn't go complaining that I had to get one to play the new console. I would just wait a bit longer till I could afford both.

If you can't afford a luxury, there is no use bellyaching about it.

Besides, if a person is complaining about a little thing like having to wait a little longer to get a TV as well to play the console, then they obviously weren't interested enough to purchase the console in the first place.

If a person is truly interested and wants to get something, they will do what they have to do to get it.

Microsoft is literally about to push me over the edge..

Just replaced all of our SDTVs last year. Can't say I've actually seen any being sold in stores anymore. I was actually looking for one for the kitchen because of the small square shape.

Just going to throw this out there to all of the "poor college student" crowd... Pawn Shops. I bought a 32" HDTV from SANYO that surprisingly looks amazing for only $160 with a full year warranty, and it supports digital out, has 3 HDMI ports, can support DVI, and has plenty of Analog inputs.

If you look hard enough, you can find decent sized HDTV's for dirt cheap.

[Edit:] And this is coming from a poor college student.

I can't believe this surprises anyone. Everything else made in the last 5 years hasn't supported HDTV either.

I'm honestly surprised so many of you still have sdtvs. If any of you need a cheap alternative you can get a computer monitor with HDMI in for probably around $200 and it will be 1080p. It won't have speakers, but hey; it's cheap for a reason.

In fact, it might be worth checking to see if your PC monitor already has this feature!

Excuse me, my current primary tv is a very nice large screen SDTV. While I certainly could get a small tv for a couple hundred dollars, to get a hdtv of similar size would be over 1000 dollars. 1000 dollars to replace a perfectly functional tv I would then have no room for and have to get rid of. F*** you XBone.

Theyr called ADAPTORS theyr CHEAP and EASY TO USE, i dont think there is even a point in all this discussion

AC10:
I'm honestly surprised so many of you still have sdtvs. If any of you need a cheap alternative you can get a computer monitor with HDMI in for probably around $200 and it will be 1080p. It won't have speakers, but hey; it's cheap for a reason.

In fact, it might be worth checking to see if your PC monitor already has this feature!

you dont actually need speakers you can just use any pc speakers you have liying around or just buy some of the dirt cheap ones that are out there (or invest a tiny bit more and get a small 2.1 logitech or creative speakers sistem they still sound like crap but at leas youll get some bass and it will be far better than ANY tv speaker)

The bad thing is, this doesn't just make it incompatible with SD TVs. It also knocks early HDTVs out of the running, both CRT sets and early Plasma/LCD sets. One of my college roommates (and this was only a few years ago) had an LCD set handed down from his uncle, which had initially been purchased in 2004. It completely lacked an HDMI input, although it had both Component and VGA in, either one of which is sufficient for HD video. In fact, the only reason you can't generally get 1080P out of component cables is the reason listed in this article -- HDCP. The cables are plenty capable of it, but the DRM that came along with Blu-Ray won't let the video go out of them at full quality, because there's no way to prevent people from making near perfect copies if you do it that way. Not that that stopped the pirates from getting perfect copies anyway.

enriquetnt:
Theyr called ADAPTORS theyr CHEAP and EASY TO USE, i dont think there is even a point in all this discussion

What kind of adapters are you talking about? Just getting a box to convert from HDMI to VGA or Component will set you back about $100, and that's assuming you want to hook up to an HD monitor that lacks HDMI, and not downscale things to something an SD TV can work with. Most units like that also introduce input lag, which is bad for gaming.

Sonic Doctor:

If a person is truly interested and wants to get something, they will do what they have to do to get it.

Obviously, but there is a difference between someone who wants an Xbox and an HD TV, and someone who just wants an Xbox. It is foolish to cater to only one of these demographics, especially when you won't be profitting from the sale of HD TV's.

Only reason I have an HDTV is because my old one broke down and in my town nowhere sold SD ones, so I had to HDTV, it's nice, but why not make an option for it like PS3 - 360, some games may not support it, fine I guess... Would still be stupid, but it would better then nothing.

So HDMI is the minimum? That's rough for people with early HD sets.

Ukomba:
Excuse me, my current primary tv is a very nice large screen SDTV. While I certainly could get a small tv for a couple hundred dollars, to get a hdtv of similar size would be over 1000 dollars. 1000 dollars to replace a perfectly functional tv I would then have no room for and have to get rid of. F*** you XBone.

Out of curiosity, how big is the TV because my 40 inch screen full HD cost me about the equivalent of $600 USD at the time, was three years back.

"What's that? You're not rich? Well we're rich. I don't see what the problem is." Um... classism?

I don't know... I feel like this is going to be a problem for enough people for it to... well, be a problem. What I see here is Microsoft once again just telling us to deal with it because it's more convenient for them. I'm really starting to feel like we've become the last thing on Microsoft(and Sony)'s mind. All of a sudden gamers are the secondary, or even tertiary, concern. Why is every announcement about these new systems making me want them less and less? Isn't it supposed to be the opposite? Weren't we nearly crapping ourselves in excitement when the current generation was first coming out?

Also, as I read this news article, I was wondering why it was trying to make poor jokes, and why most of what wasn't a poor joke was idle speculation. Then I realized it was Carter again.

Ukomba:
Excuse me, my current primary tv is a very nice large screen SDTV. While I certainly could get a small tv for a couple hundred dollars, to get a hdtv of similar size would be over 1000 dollars. 1000 dollars to replace a perfectly functional tv I would then have no room for and have to get rid of. F*** you XBone.

Higher resolution means you don't need as large of a screen. That huge sdtv it takes to be able to barely read the text on current gen games isn't needed on an hdtv. The same goes for about anything an sdtv does.

The thing with it is that you can have that huge size as a luxury, but a smaller sized hdtv is actually a lot more effective and easier to see than a bigger sdtv

Proverbial Jon:
Oh, well god damn! It does still play VCR tapes though, right?

Way to force everyone into your personal warped vision of the future Microsoft.

Trishbot:
Well, as someone with ZERO HD TVs in my household, because they're all 90's era, big screen SD ones, this is certainly unfriendly news.

I actually think the last poll found that nearly 30-40% of TV owners still owned SD TVs as their primary television... so that seems like a lot of the market they'll still miss out on.

Capitano Segnaposto:

No shit. Couple this with the fact that they are screwing the used games portion AND the fact that you have to be online? They are seriously limiting their profits.

Also, I am so sorry for not being Rich, Microsoft. It isn't like I am trying to pay for College, Bills, and a one year study-abroad trip next year. Not to mention that there are probably many others worse off than I am.

Ugh, more and more info from this seriously pisses me off.

This is why I'm on the fence about the issue, these points all have validity to them. On one hand, Proverbial Jon is correct in the sense that they are simply moving forward with technology, as should be expected, as well as having previous examples of the requirements of new hardware being better. The VCR tape became the DVD, which in turn became Blu Ray. The Vinyl records became the Cassette tapes, which then became CDs. In Australia we've just recently lost all analogue signals in favour of digital, which basically forced people to get set top boxes in order to receive digital TV, and you know what? It went off without a hitch, everyone is still watching tv, and no one is really that put out.

HOWEVER, Darwin did once say, "If you specialise, you die" (paraphrased) and the Xbox One does seem to be making itself a very specialised unit which could become it's downfall. The whole needing a HDTV isn't a huge downer, but add in the need to connect once a day to the internet, basic eradication of the used game market, etc. it's starting to look very tough for the majority of people to get proper use out of it. While I wouldn't say Jim Sterling's comment in his recent video on which he said, "only the rich will be able to use the Xbox One" is true, I will say that it looks like it's going to be a very special group of people.

no SD TVs? fine. i mean sure a lot of peopel still use that since Xbox360 cant do better visual. Though if you want your console to run fullHD, you cant cram it into SDTV. so whiel the change is not a good thing, it is somewhat understandable from a new hardware perspective.

Dial-ups. About damn time, dialup is atechnology that died in the 90s and supporting it still is more of a restriction than a feature.

Punchcards. what is that? i never heard of one.

Capitano Segnaposto:

Also, I am so sorry for not being Rich, Microsoft. It isn't like I am trying to pay for College, Bills, and a one year study-abroad trip next year. Not to mention that there are probably many others worse off than I am.

If you are poor, paying for your studies and saving money for future studies, your not the one to buy new consoles anyway now are you.

an annoyed writer:
So, not only are they making it a nightmare to try and set up on an older TV, they're also trying to tell machinima makers to fuck off? Well, I guess we'll oblige. Thank you microsoft, for telling us straight-up that you don't want anything to do with us. It seems the feeling is mutual.

How are they telling machinima makers to fuck off? care to elaborate?

Xan Krieger:
I can't see the difference between HDTV and SDTV so I have my SDTV and enjoy it. Just another reason I'm glad I'm upgrading my PC this year.

Not trying to attack you or anything, but if you really cant see the difference (and not just extragarating to make a point) you should consider getting glasses or using a larger than 10" screen.

Ukomba:
Excuse me, my current primary tv is a very nice large screen SDTV. While I certainly could get a small tv for a couple hundred dollars, to get a hdtv of similar size would be over 1000 dollars. 1000 dollars to replace a perfectly functional tv I would then have no room for and have to get rid of. F*** you XBone.

excuse me but anyone who has a SDTV with a large screen simply wasted his money, because there is aboslutely no reason to have huge screen on such small resolutions unless you are watching it from another room or trying to show TV to your neighboars through a window. It is not microsofts fault you have done a stupid decision to buying a SDTV instead of HDTV.

Frankly it should not be called HDTV anymore. Its not high definition, its standart definition, the SD shoudl stand for Small definition as it is actually very small. the world has moved on, its not 90s anymore.

Kaulen Fuhs:

Sonic Doctor:

If a person is truly interested and wants to get something, they will do what they have to do to get it.

Obviously, but there is a difference between someone who wants an Xbox and an HD TV, and someone who just wants an Xbox. It is foolish to cater to only one of these demographics, especially when you won't be profitting from the sale of HD TV's.

what is foolish is to think that anyone being sane woudl want a next gen games to be portrayed at SDTV resolution. If you are not getting a HD there is pretty much no reaosn for you to get xbox to begin with.

Owyn_Merrilin:

enriquetnt:
Theyr called ADAPTORS theyr CHEAP and EASY TO USE, i dont think there is even a point in all this discussion

What kind of adapters are you talking about? Just getting a box to convert from HDMI to VGA or Component will set you back about $100, and that's assuming you want to hook up to an HD monitor that lacks HDMI, and not downscale things to something an SD TV can work with. Most units like that also introduce input lag, which is bad for gaming.

my parents got an early plasma model and use a HDMI covnerter to VGA or w/e those 3 wires are. it cost them 60 LTL, which is around 20 dollars with current dollar prices.

AC10:
I'm honestly surprised so many of you still have sdtvs. If any of you need a cheap alternative you can get a computer monitor with HDMI in for probably around $200 and it will be 1080p. It won't have speakers, but hey; it's cheap for a reason.

In fact, it might be worth checking to see if your PC monitor already has this feature!

I recently went looknig around thinking i may be buying a new tv/monitor (multipurpose usage). what i found shocked me, how small resolution mdoern new model TVs are. i expected something like 2000p by now, turns out that is for monitors only and 3 times larger TVs still support 720p only. i mean come on why TV manufacturers are that stupid? Ill end buying a mionitor and using it for both things.

TheZooblord:
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Its not so much agasint people like you who just enjoy what they enjoy. its more towards people like, say, if i lsitened to vinyl records, then a new album came out and i would cause an outrage that they didnt print it on vinyl and isntead used a CD, how dare they use newer technology than i like. because thats exactly whats happening in this post.

Considering I only just got an HDTV in 2011, this is pretty shit news.
That is, for my several dozen friends still playing on SD CRT TVs. And me when I don't have access to my shinyscreen.

I mean, of all the legit things to whine about guys, we're going with "it doesn't support SDTV?"

I mean, yeah it sucks for people who don't have SDTV, but at some point the industry has to move on. HDTV is FIFTEEN years old. It's older than the Xbox and the Xbox 360. It's had plenty of time to get cheap; heck I bought a nice HDTV 2 years about for about 300 bucks. It's time to let SDTV fall to the wayside.

...Okay so now this with the new Xbox...they just don't want to sell any of them do they?

Next thing you know we'll be seeing complaints about how Windows XP is no longer supported........oh wait

Oh. Well, shit.
I still use an SDTV because it works and I don't replace things until they stop working.
Not that I was planning on getting an Xbone anyway. Have you seen how crap those things are?

I still play on an SDTV.

Soooo... Yeah. Ad this to the long list of reasons the Xbone sucks.

"The move has led to speculation that the console will likely be embracing High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP)"

So basically, if I understand this part clearly, the Xbone is going to be unfriendly to people wanting to use Capture devices? There are ways around it I suppose seeing as I have a capture card set up with the PS3 but still as for the HDTV aspect, please remember just because 2 thirds of people in america have HDTV's doesn't mean its the same across the world as for the line 'If you can afford this $X00 console you can afford a $X00 HDTV' for some people it comes down to a choice between the two on their budget.

But honestly this really is not a matter I should really be commenting on, I don't plan to get an Xbone there is nothing about it that attracts me and it seems like one of Xbones major selling point won't even work in the UK.

>Journalist refers to your console as Xbone
It's over Microsoft, you just lost the console war.

Xan Krieger:
I can't see the difference between HDTV and SDTV so I have my SDTV and enjoy it. Just another reason I'm glad I'm upgrading my PC this year.

I have a Phillips SDTV I bought back in 2003 (when HDTVs were still insanely expensive). Just recently my dad upgraded to an HDTV, and to test it out we hooked my 360 up to it via HDMI just to see how "pretty" my games would look on it. Turns out 360 games look like absolute shit on it. The only upside was that I no longer had to squint to read in game text, but the picture quality was highly pixelated, compared to my SDTV which the picture quality was crystal clear but text is a headache to read (literally).

The cause to the problem we later found out, is that not all HDTVs work well with the 360 due to the DVD-9 format it uses. Even after manually setting both the TV and the 360 to whatever output(s) your games support (720p, 1080i, 1080p is the norm) they'll still look like first gen Xbox graphics on certain brands. The PS3 doesn't have that problem it seems, because of the Blu-Ray format with most manufacturers supporting that these days over DVD. Though, that's just what I've been told, so no idea how accurate that is.

I'd like to note that if it were to support sdtvs, then you wouldn't see a difference graphics wise from the current generation. The reason why the current gen actually looks okay on an sdtv is that usually the actual resolutions of the games is a bit higher than 480p and slightly below 720p. They scale them up on higher definition tvs. Which is why there really isn't a huge difference between playing many xbox or ps3 games on a 720p tv or a 1080p tv. On games that are actually native 1080p the difference is pretty large

On games that aren't scaled the difference between playing on an hdtv and a sdtv is huge.

There is no point in buying a new console if they won't see any difference in display. There is more than a big enough library of games to play in the current generation that look just great on sdtvs.

Even if they did supply it you would complain that there isn't enough of a difference between the current generation and the next one.

for example

Take this

and compare it to this

That isn't even that high fidelity of a game and you can see a huge difference between them. And on both of them all settings are to max except resolution.

It gets even worse when it has to be stretched out further to match a bigger screen.

compare this

With this

And that is with everything but resolution maxed out.

For a further comparison try

with this

To really understand the difference you have to view the images fullscreen zoomed in (copy the image link and then follow it to imgur. There you can zoom in your view until it takes up all of your screen) enough to take up your whole screen. If your screen is that low res i'm sorry there is nothing I can do to help you.

The image should look good if you keep it small, but when you force it to take up the whole screen you can easily see the difference.

The lower res images were taken at 720x576 and the higher at 1920x1080 resolution. That is the comparison between playing a modern game on standard resolution vs high definition at max settings. That means with all the detail they put, without the resolution behind it, it doesn't look that great.

Basically if you buy a ps4 and play games on your sdtv with it, you will only see a few little details better than what you get with your ps3. It definitely will not be worth the price you pay for the console.

Microsoft shouldn't be catering to people with sdtv because if they do they will just get complaints that there isn't enough improvement to justify the costs

Strazdas:
Its not so much agasint people like you who just enjoy what they enjoy. its more towards people like, say, if i lsitened to vinyl records, then a new album came out and i would cause an outrage that they didnt print it on vinyl and isntead used a CD, how dare they use newer technology than i like. because thats exactly whats happening in this post.

I can see that. I personally am not going to whine or bellyache. I'm just not gonna buy an XBox One lol. Still, would be nice if the elitist hate on people behind the curve died down a little bit.

Some people seem to think that having older/newer tech somehow makes people inferior/superior to each other. It's so arrogant and... meaningless? Lol

Some people have old technology. Some, new. Doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

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