Precursor Games Founder Arrested For Child Porn

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Dragonbums:

chikusho:

Dragonbums:
There is not accidental, "I did a single picture of CP and got caught" incidents in these cases.
If that were true, then I'm pretty sure 80% of users on websites like Furaffinity would find themselves in jail in a heartbeat.

Look at what the man is being accused of. Mainly viewing and downloading child porn. At that point, the man is guilty. That's it.

Why?

Because when they do investigations like this, they watch you. How long? Nobody knows. It could be months, or years. However they monitor your activity, and they compile data and evidence against you. Enough of it that they have a case against you.
Chance are, when they are knocking on your door telling you your under arrest for child porn, you can bet your ass you're already guilty. You are simply wasting your breath trying to defend yourself.
They just need the courts to make it official.

If people under the age of 18 take pictures of themselves naked, it's considered a breach of child pornography laws.
If he had a single picture of a 17 year old or childlike cartoon featuring nudity in some folder you could potentially reach from an internet location, it could possibly make him guilty of the charges leveled against him.
Technically, if I send you an unlabeled email containing one of these images, or send it to you in a text, you can be charged with storing child pornography. Possibly even accessing, because rhyme and reason goes out the window in so many of these cases.

Sure, they watch some people for a long time. However, some people they maybe watch for one second, if they can prove they have the "one image of CP" on any kind of storage.

In those cases it usually involves someone reporting them to the police, or it being spread around so much that the police catch wind of it and get the person in question arrested. However if the police are investigating you in private, without any tip off from a third party source, they keep tabs on you until they know without a doubt that you are into CP.

I'd love to share your optimism, but I know the law doesn't try very hard to weed out the dangerous. I hear too many stories of junior high kids being registered as sex offenders because a girl they liked sent a nude photo, and he shared it with his friends. I also remember hearing one case where a guy had his computer hijacked by a pedo bot virus of some sort. It used his computer as a storage hub for the porn without his knowledge and so he got arrested for storing and distributing the porn. He was quoted in the article asking the investigating officer if he even had access to the files, and was told no. He still was arrested.

OT: If this guy is involved in some serious shit (Antari seems to think so, but I see no source for his post), then I hope he burns. On the other hand, I appreciate the levelheadedness in this thread, because I was about to say "yup, fuck this guy" before the thoughts of how easily this guy could have been charged without actual harm to children being involved. Drawn porn or loli offends my sensibilities of what's "hot" just as much as actual child porn, but there is a very, very clear difference between the two.

These guys have some shitty luck as a compony, at this point its just bad press ignoring if he's guilty or not(and for what ofc). Shame liked the look of Shadows. But screw it got lots of other games to play at the moment and i'll hold out for a good Cthulu lore themed game again one day.

Why are so many people assuming that its lolicon at all? The article straight up says "Child Porn" not "images depicting child porn".

Also, keep in mind that this is a Canadian case. Yes there's the term "innocent until proven guilty" but the police must have done a thorough investigation with the appropriate warranted attached and have compiled enough evidence to get this guy in 3 different charges involving child pornography.

Come on people, its not lolicon, its child porn.

Aaaaaaand, even if it is lolicon, Canadian lawn counts that as illegal as well. Either way this guy is screwed. In the US lolicon is protected under the 1st Amendment.

damn, he only needs to start eating those babies and he will be on par with EA.

Kalezian:

Dragonbums:
There is not accidental, "I did a single picture of CP and got caught" incidents in these cases.
If that were true, then I'm pretty sure 80% of users on websites like Furaffinity would find themselves in jail in a heartbeat.

Look at what the man is being accused of. Mainly viewing and downloading child porn. At that point, the man is guilty. That's it.

Why?

Because when they do investigations like this, they watch you. How long? Nobody knows. It could be months, or years. However they monitor your activity, and they compile data and evidence against you. Enough of it that they have a case against you.
Chance are, when they are knocking on your door telling you your under arrest for child porn, you can bet your ass you're already guilty. You are simply wasting your breath trying to defend yourself.
They just need the courts to make it official.

but the difference between cub art and lolicon is there is no way a prosecutor could argue that cub art directly harms various cubs.

It's like saying me looking at a picture of a toaster would automatically make me want to rape it. One, that's stupid, toasters can get hot and I dont feel like having second degree burns anywhere, and two, it was asking for it, with how it would pop up that toast....

but yea, nearly everyone who had been to 4chan even would be prison bitches right now if the police came after you for just one picture.

Hell, I remember one night a long long time ago where AT kept spamming the hell out of /b/, AT or AnonTalk was basically the 12chan of forums.

But I'm not sure if its the same way in Canada, but simply viewing an image does not immediately create guilt, much like shock images, you probably weren't looking for themacuser.jpg, but damn, it's there, and you are all out of eye bleach.

Instead, at least in New York if I remember right, the prosecutor has to prove the suspect knowingly downloaded it, which could be accomplished by looking at the date created, date modified, date last used/opened.

Sad to say, but I dont think he was looking up pictures, can across one that was very questionable, and the RCMP burst down his door with their beavers. Something tells me there was more than just one picture, and it might of been something worthy of being on an external drive.

Cub art is literally the furry version of Child Porn. There is no way around that. It has nothing to do with actual animal cubs. They are simply drawing underage kids in a sexual manner as bear cubs.

Tiamat666:

wombat_of_war:
apparently its fashionable and cool to find a way to defend pedophiles these days

Many people have strange turn-ons. Some people have a fetish for shoes, long hair, leather, the same sex or octopuses. The problem with people who are turned on by kids is that they create incentives for child abuse, which of course is a very serious problem because children are vulnerable. But this aside, I find pedophiles no different than other people with unusual sexual preferences. It's something people don't have any control over either. You are what you are. This is why I think that cartoony or fake child pornography should not be illegal, and that instead of sending people to jail, they should be sent to psychiatric evaluation to see if they form an actual danger for children or not.

Ah, someone that is actually somewhat sane. Its basically "its okay as long as no one is hurt in the process". As long as no one is actually hurt by the making of or the end product, it'll be okay in my book.

Desert Punk:

Headdrivehardscrew:

Desert Punk:

Better than throwing them under the bus before they are convicted.

Also being a pedophile isnt a crime, abusing a child is a crime, pedophelia is a sexual orientation no different than being straight, gay, or bisexual.

Most pedophiles are able to control their urges and are never a harm to anyone, some cant though and they are called child abusers.

Edit: As for the OT, it wouldnt surprise me if this was some group of retards arresting him over lolicon or some shit.

(snip)

I find myself unwilling to accept that pedophilia is 'a sexual orientation no different than' any other. Whatever happens between consenting adults is one thing. When someone faps over images, thoughts, souvenirs of or with actual underage children present, party's pretty much over and I am absolutely unable to even want to generate any compassion or sympathy.

(snip)
When I say its no different than Straight/Bi/Gay I mean that a person is born that way. It is not a choice or something that they can flip on and off any more than a gay person can flip off being gay.

The best they can do is control it. I never said it was socially acceptable, or that abusing children SHOULD be socially acceptable. By all means loathe and hate those that hurt and abuse children to sate themselves... But if you are unable to find compassion or sympathy for someone who was born and suffer with such a condition but never hurts anyone, that speaks more to you as a person than anything else.

Oh, I certainly and absolutely hope so!

I can accept the snake, venomous or not. It is in its nature to evade me, but when I prod and stomp and finger it, it is bound to bite or otherwise deter me from causing it harm. If I get bitten by a lowly creature featuring the IQ of, say, a loaf of bread and a jar of marmalade, it's clearly my fault.

If I accept that a pedophile is a creature on God's green earth that just wants to be loved (while sticking it to little children), I welcome the risk of children getting raped, abused and killed just for the love of my all-encompassing tolerance. This shit won't fly, no matter how Hare Krishna one goes about it.

Innocent into proven guilty...
...
... But, geez, Precursor Games just can't catch a break, can they?

Abomination:

Amir Kondori:
I don't know why anyone is rushing to defend this guy. Yes, he has just been charged and not convicted of anything. To get a warrant to come seize the computers in the home means the cops went to a Judge and had evidence to present. It might be "lolicon" but I doubt it.

As is always the case, time will tell.

I'm appalled the case is public knowledge at all. The damage to this man's reputation is now no longer salvageable.

Well I am glad it is public, not because I like the trial by public opinion stuff that goes on, but because it is only possible because arrests are a matter of public record and it means that police can't just arrest people and not tell anyone about it.

Mcoffey:

In that case you're also forgetting the potential for witnesses or other victims to come forward. There are countless cases of a person being arrested, only to have people come forward and report being victimized in one way or another, now that the potential for reprisal from the accused is gone. If they never find out about it, the police never find out about them, the perpetrator might go free and continue their crimes. There are also incidents of people coming forward who can corroborate the accused's story who wouldn't have known otherwise.
Again, it's not a flawless system, but the pros far outweigh the cons.

In this case there are no such pros. There is no need for victims or witnesses to come forward. All the police need to do is find porn on his computer. That really is it. Once he is found guilty of that, people can come forward and seek reparation if he has committed other sexual offences.
Which he probably hasn't.

The possible con is that you ruin an innocent man's life. Which is pretty big. Name suppression is given in a lot of sexual abuse cases. Name suppression does not necessarily equal lack of accountability. It means lack of publicity, which can be a good thing. For both victims and those who are accused.

If the accused wants to find witnesses and testimonies, he can. He doesn't need a wanted poster put up with his face on it for people to come forward. Besides, some of the people most likely to defend him (his company) have already abandoned him after the news. So there's that.

EDIT: Oh, and my opinion might be different if it was an actual sexual abuse case. Where there are actual victims, the priorities change. Here it's child porn. Unless he is directing the stuff, there aren't any victims that are going to come forward in the first place.

I don't know, I don't feel too bad for the guy. As a person who has occasionally indulged in pornography, I find it extremely easy to not come across child porn. The only time I saw something that I even thought could be, I reported the website immediately.

if you've been accused of child porn possession, chances are that you're guilty. They don't just randomly throw those charges out there.

I recommend immediate surgical castration.

Captcha: Live. love. Type. Uhh, captcha..... You kinda sound like the NAMBLA webmaster right now. Just saying.

Can we wait till we find out a verdict before we call him a pedo?

Abomination:

wombat_of_war:
apparently its fashionable and cool to find a way to defend pedophiles these days

Yeah, due process is so last century.

Gilhelmi:
I urge caution before throwing him under a bus. Niagara is known for corruption in the police force and government. It is possible they are telling the truth, but their track record puts even evidence in doubt.

For all we know, Niagara is claiming video games are porn. In fact, I am willing to bet that is what Niagara is doing.

Are you speaking of Niagara, New York or Niagara, Canada? Because he was arrested in St. Catherines which is in Ontario.

sleeky01:

Abomination:

wombat_of_war:
apparently its fashionable and cool to find a way to defend pedophiles these days

Yeah, due process is so last century.

Gilhelmi:
I urge caution before throwing him under a bus. Niagara is known for corruption in the police force and government. It is possible they are telling the truth, but their track record puts even evidence in doubt.

For all we know, Niagara is claiming video games are porn. In fact, I am willing to bet that is what Niagara is doing.

Are you speaking of Niagara, New York or Niagara, Canada? Because he was arrested in St. Catherines which is in Ontario.

The source in the OP says "Niagara Regional Police Service". And that would be Canada. Is Ontario included in that? My geographical knowledge of Canada is extremely limited.

sleeky01:

Abomination:

wombat_of_war:
apparently its fashionable and cool to find a way to defend pedophiles these days

Yeah, due process is so last century.

Gilhelmi:
I urge caution before throwing him under a bus. Niagara is known for corruption in the police force and government. It is possible they are telling the truth, but their track record puts even evidence in doubt.

For all we know, Niagara is claiming video games are porn. In fact, I am willing to bet that is what Niagara is doing.

Are you speaking of Niagara, New York or Niagara, Canada? Because he was arrested in St. Catherines which is in Ontario.

Ohhhhhhh, I thought of the African country, Nig' a' rag' ra'.

My bad, he is probably guilty as hell then.

Devil's Due:

Absolutionis:

wombat_of_war:
apparently its fashionable and cool to find a way to defend pedophiles these days

Yeah, really.

The guy gets accused of child pornography, and the first conversation here begins finding excuses to his behavior (lolicon, really?), or blaming "trial by media".

I wonder where all the white knights are hiding that adamantly talk about feminism all the time so girls will pay attention to them.

You just said he was accused of a crime.

And you're calling names to anyone who doesn't want to immediately string him up? Way to be progressive! After all, immediately someone is accused of a crime they should be given the harshest punishment for that crime possible! Screw trials, evidence, etc!

As for the company: How about we wait for the verdict of the crime before ruining a persons life and firing him? Just a thought!

I guess you're only capable of thinking in extremes.

I'm saying to not find wild excuses for pedophilic behavior, because pedophilia is quite a disgusting crime. Also, let's not blame the media.

You take this stance and somehow derive "CONVICT HIM WITHOUT TRIAL!". Wild.

Desert Punk:

wombat_of_war:
apparently its fashionable and cool to find a way to defend pedophiles these days

Better than throwing them under the bus before they are convicted.

Also being a pedophile isnt a crime, abusing a child is a crime, pedophelia is a sexual orientation no different than being straight, gay, or bisexual.

Most pedophiles are able to control their urges and are never a harm to anyone, some cant though and they are called child abusers.

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Edit: As for the OT, it wouldnt surprise me if this was some group of retards arresting him over lolicon or some shit.

Does that mean that people that think rape is a legitimate form of sex are simply harmless rapephiles? And that there is nothing wrong with them until they rape someone?

Maybe murderers are just murderaphiles...

Yeah let's not question anyone's judgment until they are found guilty in a court of law, because we all know how the courts are always 100% accurate and fair in their rulings...

Actually what disturbs me most is that you equate pedophiles with other sexual orientations. One of these things is not like the other. Everyone else can indulge and/or express their sexual desires with other adults.

Maybe we can quibble about the upward age limit that defines an individual as a child but at the end of the day there are pedophiles that have urges towards people they could only hope to DAMAGE if they were to carry out their fantasies/desires. I simply cant have sympathy for pedophiles, beyond insisting that they get help before they harm someone, and hoping that they have some outlet for their sexual energy that ISNT harmful to all parties involved.

Capta = have fun!
(face palm)

Now "know your rights"

DVS BSTrD:

Antari:

knight steel:
Are we talking about actual child porn or Lolicon because there is a difference [one uses real children the other drawing/cartoons] depending on the answer my opinion will change.

This was just one arrest of many involving a country wide investigation which saw about 22 people being arrested. Two children were saved during the search and seizures. Something tells me this wasn't just anime.

Source please?

Here's one from my local newspaper.

http://metronews.ca/uncategorized/719657/child-pornography-dragnet-falls-in-the-east/

I couldn't seem to find anything more informative, most searches led me to a different case from earlier this year where over 60 people were arrested and, oddly enough, there were 22 identified victims, which was probably what mired the search a bit. There have been many ongoing sweeps to stop CP across the country since 2006, so there are more than a few articles to try to sift through.

Though the article mentions that none of the 22 arrests were related to one another, so they may not be connected to each other in any way, simply arrested around the same time.

Jarimir:

Does that mean that people that think rape is a legitimate form of sex are simply harmless rapephiles? And that there is nothing wrong with them until they rape someone?

Maybe murderers are just murderaphiles...

Yeah let's not question anyone's judgment until they are found guilty in a court of law, because we all know how the courts are always 100% accurate and fair in their rulings...

Actually what disturbs me most is that you equate pedophiles with other sexual orientations. One of these things is not like the other. Everyone else can indulge and/or express their sexual desires with other adults.

Maybe we can quibble about the upward age limit that defines an individual as a child but at the end of the day there are pedophiles that have urges towards people they could only hope to DAMAGE if they were to carry out their fantasies/desires. I simply cant have sympathy for pedophiles, beyond insisting that they get help before they harm someone, and hoping that they have some outlet for their sexual energy that ISNT harmful to all parties involved.

Capta = have fun!
(face palm)

Now "know your rights"

I wouldnt know if rape or murderes are mentally wired to do such thing the same way Straight folk or Pedophiles are wired to like what they like.

I dont have any rapist/murder friends and havent done the research to check out what they have told me.

And I suppose it speaks a lot to you as a person that you are willing to throw someone under the buss just based on your own biases and without anything like a persons guilt to back it up. Bravo, the Westboro Baptist Church would be proud of you im sure.

And yes, it is a sexual orientation, and if you cared to read above I wasnt endorsing it, I was pointing out that it is hardwired into some unfortunate folks the same way that being straight or gay is hard wired into people. Its not something you can change, unlearn or anything like that, just control.

So, are you straight or gay? Because either way I am sure you see people fairly often that you find attractive. Does that mean you jump all over them and damage them by raping them? No? What makes you think a paedophile is any different other than the imagined monster you have built up in your head?

There is a reason the law differentiates between child abusers and paedophiles. But thats right, you dont care about law or guilt and such..

Has he been sentenced or just accused?

Like some people mentioned, this could just be a case of lolita/17 year old girls.

Desert Punk:

Headdrivehardscrew:

Desert Punk:

Better than throwing them under the bus before they are convicted.

Also being a pedophile isnt a crime, abusing a child is a crime, pedophelia is a sexual orientation no different than being straight, gay, or bisexual.

Most pedophiles are able to control their urges and are never a harm to anyone, some cant though and they are called child abusers.

Edit: As for the OT, it wouldnt surprise me if this was some group of retards arresting him over lolicon or some shit.

While none of us know what's what and what will eventually stick, I'd like to chime in here real quick.

I find myself unwilling to accept that pedophilia is 'a sexual orientation no different than' any other. Whatever happens between consenting adults is one thing. When someone faps over images, thoughts, souvenirs of or with actual underage children present, party's pretty much over and I am absolutely unable to even want to generate any compassion or sympathy.

Then you dont understand what I am talking about.

When I say its no different than Straight/Bi/Gay I mean that a person is born that way. It is not a choice or something that they can flip on and off ny more than a gay person can flip off being gay.

The best they can do is control it. I never said it was socially acceptable, or that abusing children SHOULD be socially acceptable. By all means loathe and hate those that hurt and abuse children to sate themselves... But if you are unable to find compassion or sympathy for someone who was born and suffer with such a condition but never hurts anyone, that speaks more to you as a person than anything else.

actually I am pretty sure you are wrong about that. I am not an expert, and I don't have any sources on hand so I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that pedophilia is a fetish not an orientation. While this does not mean accepting this as long as they don't harm anyone is wrong. It would mean its not something they are born as but a physiological thing that they develop the strongest case for this is the fact that sexual orientations see fairly constant rates but pedophilia has a variable rate depending on the culture the people are form. It also looks at details that would fall under standards of beauty which change culture to culture, as opposed to the few universals makers of beauty, like symmetry.

zerragonoss:

Desert Punk:

Headdrivehardscrew:

While none of us know what's what and what will eventually stick, I'd like to chime in here real quick.

I find myself unwilling to accept that pedophilia is 'a sexual orientation no different than' any other. Whatever happens between consenting adults is one thing. When someone faps over images, thoughts, souvenirs of or with actual underage children present, party's pretty much over and I am absolutely unable to even want to generate any compassion or sympathy.

Then you dont understand what I am talking about.

When I say its no different than Straight/Bi/Gay I mean that a person is born that way. It is not a choice or something that they can flip on and off ny more than a gay person can flip off being gay.

The best they can do is control it. I never said it was socially acceptable, or that abusing children SHOULD be socially acceptable. By all means loathe and hate those that hurt and abuse children to sate themselves... But if you are unable to find compassion or sympathy for someone who was born and suffer with such a condition but never hurts anyone, that speaks more to you as a person than anything else.

actually I am pretty sure you are wrong about that. I am not an expert, and I don't have any sources on hand so I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that pedophilia is a fetish not an orientation.

Again, you are making the mistake of assuming child molesters and abusers are interchangable with pedophiles, they are not.

Dear god I wonder how many times I will have to type that before it gets through to peoples brains...

And you are the one who is wrong, a growing number of psychologists are coming to realize that it is hard wired the same as any other orientation.

http://www.good.is/posts/is-pedophilia-a-sexual-orientation-a-psychologist-breaks-down-what-makes-a-jerry-sandusky
and
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pedophilia-a-sexual-orientation-experts-tell-parliament

for a couple of sources from doctors.

Desert Punk:

Again, you are making the mistake of assuming child molesters and abusers are interchangable with pedophiles, they are not.

Dear god I wonder how many times I will have to type that before it gets through to peoples brains...

And you are the one who is wrong, a growing number of psychologists are coming to realize that it is hard wired the same as any other orientation.

http://www.good.is/posts/is-pedophilia-a-sexual-orientation-a-psychologist-breaks-down-what-makes-a-jerry-sandusky
and
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pedophilia-a-sexual-orientation-experts-tell-parliament

for a couple of sources from doctors.

Well I did not notice you saying they are different things and reading back it is in you sub text and I did not catch it. nor did I even think I was talking about the child molesters and abusers. other than that thank you for the link those were interesting. I am defiantly not convinced its a sexual orientation. Especially with this quote form the first article. "One thing I'd also like to point out is that instances of pedophilia have dropped quite substantially over the past few decades." This does at least make me think it needs to be looked at more openly, and I will keep the possibility in mind in future discussion.

Jarimir:
and hoping that they have some outlet for their sexual energy that ISNT harmful to all parties involved.

Like Lolicon? A drawing?

zerragonoss:

Desert Punk:

Again, you are making the mistake of assuming child molesters and abusers are interchangable with pedophiles, they are not.

Dear god I wonder how many times I will have to type that before it gets through to peoples brains...

And you are the one who is wrong, a growing number of psychologists are coming to realize that it is hard wired the same as any other orientation.

http://www.good.is/posts/is-pedophilia-a-sexual-orientation-a-psychologist-breaks-down-what-makes-a-jerry-sandusky
and
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pedophilia-a-sexual-orientation-experts-tell-parliament

for a couple of sources from doctors.

Well I did not notice you saying they are different things and reading back it is in you sub text and I did not catch it. nor did I even think I was talking about the child molesters and abusers. other than that thank you for the link those were interesting. I am defiantly not convinced its a sexual orientation. Especially with this quote form the first article. "One thing I'd also like to point out is that instances of pedophilia have dropped quite substantially over the past few decades." This does at least make me think it needs to be looked at more openly, and I will keep the possibility in mind in future discussion.

One problem with measuring the proportion of paedophiles in society is that very few people will admit to being paedophiles. You sort of have to catch them red-handed.

So maybe the availability of child porn on the internet (and I'm not defending child porn) has decreased the amount of child abuse cases purely because paedophiles, who decades ago would only have been able to get their rocks off with actual children, now have a safer substitute. That's one economic feasibility.

It is interesting that the man in the first source claims there may be no female paedophiles. I'm not sure if I believe that, but I'm no psychiatrist. We had two male teachers arrested in my old school; one for possessing child porn and the other for having sex with underage children. And the recent high profile paedophiles all seem to be male, so maybe there's a trend. No women at all seems a bit far-fetched though.

The second source does seem clearer though, and I'm inclined to believe it.

EDIT:

Desert Punk:

Dear god I wonder how many times I will have to type that before it gets through to peoples brains...

Come now, it's not exactly trendy to be even marginally sympathetic towards paedophiles. People aren't really encouraged to consider your arguments all that often.

Abomination:
Awesome, trial by media again.

"Charged" doesn't mean "convicted" guys. But hey, who cares if someone is innocent or not? Just get accused of rape or child pornography possession and you might as well kiss your life goodbye.

Yes the whole "innocent until proven guilty" has been long washed away from our culture due to people taking media as concrete stories.

I will withold judgement until I know the details of the whole "child porn".

I don't think this is just some dude with naughty sailor scout anime. If you look at the charges they list him as not just possessing and viewing child porn but distributing it. I'm just guessing that they are not talking about the dudes Deviant Art site here.

Innocent Until Proven Guilty is fine. But that's a legal standard that applies to the government. His employer is well within their rights and quite reasonable judgement to say "feel free to re-apply for a job once this matter is settled and you are acquitted."

"Lore Keeper"

LOL. That is priceless.

Caiphus:

zerragonoss:

Desert Punk:

Again, you are making the mistake of assuming child molesters and abusers are interchangable with pedophiles, they are not.

Dear god I wonder how many times I will have to type that before it gets through to peoples brains...

And you are the one who is wrong, a growing number of psychologists are coming to realize that it is hard wired the same as any other orientation.

http://www.good.is/posts/is-pedophilia-a-sexual-orientation-a-psychologist-breaks-down-what-makes-a-jerry-sandusky
and
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pedophilia-a-sexual-orientation-experts-tell-parliament

for a couple of sources from doctors.

Well I did not notice you saying they are different things and reading back it is in you sub text and I did not catch it. nor did I even think I was talking about the child molesters and abusers. other than that thank you for the link those were interesting. I am defiantly not convinced its a sexual orientation. Especially with this quote form the first article. "One thing I'd also like to point out is that instances of pedophilia have dropped quite substantially over the past few decades." This does at least make me think it needs to be looked at more openly, and I will keep the possibility in mind in future discussion.

One problem with measuring the proportion of paedophiles in society is that very few people will admit to being paedophiles. You sort of have to catch them red-handed.

So maybe the availability of child porn on the internet (and I'm not defending child porn) has decreased the amount of child abuse cases purely because paedophiles, who decades ago would only have been able to get their rocks off with actual children, now have a safer substitute. That's one economic feasibility.

It is interesting that the man in the first source claims there may be no female paedophiles. I'm not sure if I believe that, but I'm no psychiatrist. We had two male teachers arrested in my old school; one for possessing child porn and the other for having sex with underage children. And the recent high profile paedophiles all seem to be male, so maybe there's a trend. No women at all seems a bit far-fetched though.

The second source does seem clearer though, and I'm inclined to believe it.

EDIT:

Desert Punk:

Dear god I wonder how many times I will have to type that before it gets through to peoples brains...

Come now, it's not exactly trendy to be even marginally sympathetic towards paedophiles. People aren't really encouraged to consider your arguments all that often.

There has been a famous female pedo over here (Australia). Years ago now, but they are out there. It gets reported less.

Elf Defiler Korgan:

There has been a famous female pedo over here (Australia). Years ago now, but they are out there. It gets reported less.

I'm sure it does. It's probably a little more difficult for the news to paint them as evil sex predators.

And there's always the portion of the population that believes that all men are constantly pussy hungry.

Edited because I fail at quoting.

Legit kiddie porn this time, or another lolicon manga collector?

Dragonbums:
Keep in mind accidental viewing doesn't count.

It can do, I remember reading about a case where someone was arrested and charged after police had dug out a very poor quality cached thumbnail from the depths of their computer. Luckily for the defendant the jury had some common sense and dismissed the case, another jury might have convicted them.

rhizhim:
damn, he only needs to start eating those babies and he will be on par with EA.

ROFL. I love this comment, thanks.

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Let me just regain my composure. I declare your post to be the Post of the Year.

tratorix:

knight steel:

Did the children consent?[yes I know that they don't have the knowledge needed ect ect but I'm still curious on if they were willing]
And how old are we speaking, toddlers or young teens?
These things will affect my judgment but so far it's not looking good for him.

Absolutely none of this matters or should affect your opinion, just FYI.

Yeah I'm with you on that one. The way some people are trying to justify and defend something like this completely sickens me.
And yeah, a drawing of it is just as disgusting...

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