Draw Harley Quinn Naked, Killing Herself, To Win DC Artist Contest

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O.o not touching the suicide angle (cos in all honesty, it's not classy when Deadpool and the like do it, it's also not classy when Harley does it, but it seems to draw significantly more attention, probly from being more public and that they're taking it more seriously BUT CARRYING ON BEFORE THIS GETS SIDETRACKED) I can see why it might be relevant to add naked as a descriptor (though I can think of better ones)

If I asked everyone to draw Harley Quinn, how many would draw a small, but in shape, blonde woman in regular, loose fitting clothes possibly eating some ice-cream, maybe watching TV with a big dumb dog lying by her feet? And how many would draw her in a skin-tight red and black costume with the tassles and greasepaint, probably with a giant hammer? It'd be the same as if we did the same scenario with Deadpool (using the example because... well, they have similar costumes and he's in the same bag as "Insane" inverted commas who would commit suicide as a plot arc) in that same scene if you said Deadpool in the tub he'd be wearing the mask. You'd actually need to add 'naked' or 'maskless' and I'm interpreting, because I'm hoping against hope that there was some thought put into this, that when they mean Naked they mean "Not obviously costumed up" because with comic characters the costume is kind of important. There are a myriad examples where on the cover a character would wear their costume in inappropriate or unrealistic situations just because Peter Parker by himself on the cover doesn't catch the eye of someone looking and you need Spiderman to be standing around in the Bugle offices doing a coffee run. So presumably they want 3 in costumes one out of costume (I dispute the phrasing of naked, I think saying no-costume would have been better but I can't say it's using the word incorrectly, just foolishly since it can be interpreted in... well, the ways it has been).

In the example of Harley that costume, that identity, is kinda hinged on the Joker and his influence on her. So having one Naked (and again, I'm assuming they don't just do the head in the costume the rest naked because THAT would be pointless) shows how vulnerable she is and how this is her outside of what the Joker manipulates her into doing. Yeah I've probably phrased this badly, and I think someone already said it, but, NAKED HARLEY I assume means no costume, the actual Dr Harleen rather than Harley Quinn, comical obsessive.

Although, OT: Really guys? Suicide on the covers? First all the covers are 3D, now this? Get your shit in gear

Trilligan:

Coreless:
To me it sounds like a parameter that they want artists to meet for a contest

That's exactly the problem. What possible reason would they have for making naked a parameter in an art contest about suicide?

It's not just an art contest. It's a page in a comic. The question is "what possible reason would they have for having a naked panel in a comic" and the answer is "there's a shit ton of possible reasons."

Maiev Shadowsong:
I was talking to my boyfriend about this. He pointed something out that someone had pointed out to him.

Why mention her being nude? If she's in the bath, that's expected, right? So why go out of your way to stress it?

They specifically make a point of requesting she be nude. Not just in the bath. Not bathing. Nude. Why? Because stressing that she be naked means the artists stress that she is naked. Her being visibly nude is part of the requirement. DC is going out of their way to ask that her body be exposed. While turning women into bodies to ogle is nothing new, doing it on top of the subject of suicide is profoundly tasteless.

It's not really sexist, but it is objectifying and objectionable. It's also really fucking dumb.

EDIT: If this is how DC wants to act, they can consider their logo an automatic deal breaker for me on any product. I'm not offended personally. I'm sickened by their tact.

......Boudica?

Boudica is that you?

Rather than dive into the sexism debate since that has beaten to death by both sides, I'd like to offer some "insight" from co-writer Jimmy Palmiotti on his take on this mess. Click on the link below and look at Jimmy's reply both on Twitter and on his Tumblr.

http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/123898-dc-releases-script-for-harley-quinn-contest-internet-outraged.html#.UiuVSJa-isU.tumblr

Thanks, Jimmy! Although that would have been nice to know if you or any of the fuckwits at DC Comics mentioned that to begin with! Which leads me to a far more intelligent response by Lewis "Linkara" Lovhaug on his Tumblr along with his thoughts on anyone thinking of taking part in this contest.

http://atopfourthwall.tumblr.com/post/60576514089

You know, back when I was first learning about making comics, the books I read stated that any and all symbolism and full context related to what is happening needs to be given to the artist since the artist cannot read your friggin' mind. Unless you trust the artist to tell the story and it doesn't matter how they do so in the particular context, YOU. INCLUDE. EVERYTHING.

So leaving out that little "she's breaking the 4th wall/satire" bits don't really help if the contest-makers don't know that.

Furthermore, I encourage people to NOT enter into this for a simple reason: it's not a foot in the door to DC Comics. DC is not interested in a new artist. Why? Because if they were, they would have asked for a sample of a page that showed superheroes fighting, different uses of light, being able to tell a story without dialogue, and different moods in the panels. Because THAT is what you need for an artist.

Not someone who can draw Harley Quinn naked in a bathtub purportedly breaking the 4th wall.

At best what will happen to the winner of this contest is doing inking work, additional pencils, storyboarding, and maybe promotional artwork. This is not going to actually lead to a career making comics. Because DC is not interested in getting people into a career making comics. They are interested in publicity.

And they really, REALLY suck at that, if these last few days have shown anything.

And to fully put this, as well as every moronic and heartless thing DC Comics has done, into context, allow me to offer you two more links. First is an article from Gutters & Panels.com entitled "The DC New 52 Timeline of Departures, Firings, and Bridge-Burnings" that offers what has happened with the company and its creators ever since DC Entertainment was formed (which is basically ground zero for all the dickery that has transpired).

http://guttersandpanels.com/gutters-and-panels/2013/3/23/the-new-52-timeline-of-departures

Finally, if you want to stay current with DC's constant acts of idiocy, head over to "Has DC Done Something Stupid Today?" and see what the other screw-ups this company has made. As of this posting, the counter for how many days DC Comics has gone without doing something stupid is at zero.

http://hasdcdonesomethingstupidtoday.tumblr.com/

Given how this company is being run these days, they might as well keep the counter at zero. -_-

I can see how suicide can be used as humor, but why are they makng a contest out of this?

I'm bothered by the 'naked' requirement, but also by the

'She is looking at us like she cannot believe what she is doing. Beside herself. Not happy.'

Sounds hilarious.

There is no description of any kind (on that page anyway) that says what the point of these scenes is supposed to be.

Lieju:
'She is looking at us like she cannot believe what she is doing. Beside herself. Not happy.'

I think you misunderstood tha description:

She is standing in a lightining storm, trying to attract lightining and failing. She is comicallyupset about her suicide attempt failing horribly.

Same with raw chicken suit surrounded by alligators who ignore her.

This is basic juxtapositioning. First three pannels are silly, zaney Harley doing silly zaney thing to kill herself and failing in silly and zaney ways.

Final panel is the woman inside the mask, having a genuinely personal moment and seriously contemplating suicide.

Karloff:
"I'm a sequential art student, and I find it a bit appalling that the requirement for panel 4 is essentially drawing a female character committing suicide naked," said one commenter, Seairra Willett, in response to DC's announcement. "The sexualisation of suicide is something I will not be putting effort into for a talent search," she added. Many agreed. "This has to be the most repulsive thing DC Comics has done in a while," said Rae Grimm.

Just as usual, people can't wait to be offended by something. Grow the fuck up already.

The Deadpool:

Trilligan:

Coreless:
To me it sounds like a parameter that they want artists to meet for a contest

That's exactly the problem. What possible reason would they have for making naked a parameter in an art contest about suicide?

It's not just an art contest. It's a page in a comic. The question is "what possible reason would they have for having a naked panel in a comic" and the answer is "there's a shit ton of possible reasons."

Because that is what they want in the comic, there could be a million reasons why but, to automatically assume its some nefarious plot to be sexist and degrading is just beyond ridiculous. Its starting to sound downright paranoid with a lot of people these day, people are seeing sexism and racism in absolutely everything and using their personal interpretations as facts. Almost everything is taken as evidence which just keeps building on to itself, perpetuating the paranoia even more.

Halyah:
After this and reading up a bit on what DC has been doing for the past years, they're starting to come across as the comic book company version of present day microsoft in terms of bad PR and bad decisions...

Microsoft...or possibly Bioware/EA.

Between this and the whole Batwoman marriage thing they really are coming across as a pile of silly fuckers lately.

I mean...really?

The Deadpool:

Lieju:
'She is looking at us like she cannot believe what she is doing. Beside herself. Not happy.'

I think you misunderstood tha description:

She is standing in a lightining storm, trying to attract lightining and failing. She is comicallyupset about her suicide attempt failing horribly.

Same with raw chicken suit surrounded by alligators who ignore her.

This is basic juxtapositioning. First three pannels are silly, zaney Harley doing silly zaney thing to kill herself and failing in silly and zaney ways.

Final panel is the woman inside the mask, having a genuinely personal moment and seriously contemplating suicide.

That description was from the first panel.

And if that's what they want, maybe they should have mentioned it?
And made the description of last panel NOT over-the-top, and very simple, maybe depict her slitting her wrists?

Although I don't think that's the tone they wanted, but this just proves they should have mentioned it in the description.

The Deadpool:

Maiev Shadowsong:
Ok.

Ok.

Alright.

Let's take a tally. You ask me, for the third time, about mentioning her naked. This, despite the entire discussion thus far having been me answering that question.

Then you wrongly insist objectification is the same as sexism. Despite having been told otherwise.

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and call the talk here. I can see you.......... don't take well to reading a debate you are in. Bye.

Again, we see your dodging the question.

Can't objectify something when her feelings and emotions are more important than her appearance. That is the OPPOSITE of being an object.

Okay, the reason people are angry about that fourth panel is not JUST because she is naked. Gotham City Sirens (my favorite comic book series) has a bunch of fan service shots including nude bathing. The fact that DC specified that she be naked is in fact only one part of a bigger problem. The problem is made up of elements, that when alone, is no problem and sometimes can lead to great storytelling, but a huge issue when combined. The main issue is the contrast between the word "naked" with the rest of the paragraph.

That entire paragraph is, in contrast to the three previous panels, telling a fairly more realistic version of suicide. Sure, there are some elements that are unrealistic, like the amount of electrical equipment above her, but compared to trying to get struck by lightning or eaten by a whale, it is much more subdued. Now once again, by itself, this panel has nothing wrong with it (at least for me).

However, why in the description specifically mention that Harley has to be naked? Now, before people go "but she is in the bathtub, of COURSE she would be naked!" let me remind you that she being naked isn't the problem. It is the fact that DC specifically asked for her to be naked. Why go the extra mile to include it? Hell, why doesn't DC specify that there should be water in the tub? After all, if you're going to state the obvious, include the obvious. But no, DC wants Harley to be nude in the scene. Once again, by itself, nudity or the word "naked" a description doesn't always mean a problem.

But combined? Essentially we have a panel where DC wants you to draw a fairly realistic suicide attempt, with Harley acting much more subdued compared to the energetic last three panels. They also want you to draw Harley naked in this same panel. And that is the problem. Why bring up her being naked here? Many people as a result see this as DC wanted to show a fan-service shot in what otherwise seems to be an actual attempt on her life. This is why the description of that scene is objectifying. Reducing, in comparison to the other panels, a semi serious scene into a glorious fan-service shot. It doesn't matter that naked is only one word in that sentence, its the fact that it is included in that sentence at all.

Now disclaimer: I am speaking for myself. I reserve the right to keep my opinion or change it depending on future or past evidence. Just because I don't like one thing, doesn't mean that all version of that same thing should be banned because life isn't binary. I am a horrible grammar person so ask if things are confusing. The fact that this disclaimer is becoming more required on forums is sad indeed.

Ummmm...hate to break it to you, folks, but showing a female naked in a bathtub - a context in which one would expect a female to be naked - is not sexualizing her. It seems everyone immediately believes that nudity = sexualization. Sooooo I take it that means that Michelangelo's David is a sexualized statue? I find it absolutely amazing that people are more appalled at the fact that this contest calls for drawing a naked woman rather than the fact that the contest calls for drawing someone TRYING TO KILL HERSELF.

I mean seriously people, get your priorities straight. Any ladies on the forum, I ask you: how many times have you sat fully clothed in a bathtub full of water? Are you "sexualizing" or "objectifying" yourself by taking off your clothes to get into a bathtub full of water? I dare say that if you think that someone trying to commit suicide while naked in a context where someone would be expected to be naked is sexualization of suicide then you're the one that might have some issues to think over. Look at it this way: if she were wearing her clothes, would that picture be any more tasteful? If not, then I'd imagine the nudity isn't what's making it tasteless to begin with.

Sorry, for a moment there I forgot that this was the internet and therefor any kind of nudity automatically equates to porn/objectification. Nude models for art are clearly something everyone should be ashamed of.

Sorry if this was mentioned. I tried to read through the first page but gave up. Another reason to ask for her nude is to test the skills of an artist to draw a nude but still have her hiding areas typically censored in a reasonable way. When you draw nude and have to abide censorship you have to keep more of the picture in mind so that all things fit together smoothly. A quick example would be is Harley sitting in the tub just covering her breasts with her arm across her chest? If so, why? Is she being modest for the fourth wall's sake? Is she filming herself for someone?

anthony87:

Maiev Shadowsong:
I was talking to my boyfriend about this. He pointed something out that someone had pointed out to him.

Why mention her being nude? If she's in the bath, that's expected, right? So why go out of your way to stress it?

They specifically make a point of requesting she be nude. Not just in the bath. Not bathing. Nude. Why? Because stressing that she be naked means the artists stress that she is naked. Her being visibly nude is part of the requirement. DC is going out of their way to ask that her body be exposed. While turning women into bodies to ogle is nothing new, doing it on top of the subject of suicide is profoundly tasteless.

It's not really sexist, but it is objectifying and objectionable. It's also really fucking dumb.

EDIT: If this is how DC wants to act, they can consider their logo an automatic deal breaker for me on any product. I'm not offended personally. I'm sickened by their tact.

......Boudica?

Boudica is that you?

Misquote? Or I don't get the joke lol.

This seems quite tasteless and stupid to make a contest based off of drawing a character committing suicide.

That is all I got to say. Arguments involving sexism's on this site just seem like a waste of time to me. Also it's just the same arguments repeated over and over again so you seen one sexism thread you seen them all.

Maiev Shadowsong:

anthony87:

Maiev Shadowsong:
Snip

......Boudica?

Boudica is that you?

Misquote? Or I don't get the joke lol.

I remember some time ago there was a user on the escapist called Boudica who got banned. I am guessing Boudica often was in involved in feminism/sexism like topics. I could try to check if I am right but I don't care enough to do so.
edit- you can look for your self if what I assmed was right if you care
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/Boudica

Reincarnatedwolfgod:

Maiev Shadowsong:

anthony87:

......Boudica?

Boudica is that you?

Misquote? Or I don't get the joke lol.

I remember some time ago there was a user on the escapist called Boudica who got banned. I am guessing Boudica often was in involved in feminism/sexism like topics. I could try to check if I am right but I don't care enough to do so.

I believe Boudica asked to be banned actually.

OT- Apparently the whole thing is supposed to be Harley breaking the fourth wall and joking about all the crazy things DC is going to make her do. I think they should have mentioned that in their page about the contest.

Maiev Shadowsong:
Why mention her nudity?

Conservation of detail. It's mentioned because it's important. The first 3 panels are all ridiculous examples of Harley trying to off herself - all within character. The last one is a realistic portrayal of suicide - something that isn't in character for Harley. It's supposed to show that this isn't another macabre joke by Harley; it's serious. That means all the details have to be realistic. By not mentioning she's naked artists familiar with Harley would draw her with her suit or some ridiculous costume on, thus turning the serious example of suicide into another joke.

Also, it's possible to depict nudity without making it sexualized. It's called "Fan Disservice".

Maiev Shadowsong:
That may be the only time anyone has ever been able to do that lol.

To be fair, they specify they want a "suit made of raw chicken," which could much more easily lead to a "chicken bikini" sort of costume than if they had simply said "chicken suit." And besides, if comedy were what they were after, they could have simply said "chicken suit."

OT: I'm going to have to agree with the consensus: While it may be within Harley's character to do something like this, to have an art contest based on these activities is in very poor taste no matter how you look at it. Also, the specific mention of her being "naked" in the bath is very unnecessary, which whether they intended it or not SEVERELY changes the message they are sending about what they're after.

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You know, back when I was first learning about making comics, the books I read stated that any and all symbolism and full context related to what is happening needs to be given to the artist since the artist cannot read your friggin' mind. Unless you trust the artist to tell the story and it doesn't matter how they do so in the particular context, YOU. INCLUDE. EVERYTHING.

So leaving out that little "she's breaking the 4th wall/satire" bits don't really help if the contest-makers don't know that.

Furthermore, I encourage people to NOT enter into this for a simple reason: it's not a foot in the door to DC Comics. DC is not interested in a new artist. Why? Because if they were, they would have asked for a sample of a page that showed superheroes fighting, different uses of light, being able to tell a story without dialogue, and different moods in the panels. Because THAT is what you need for an artist.

Not someone who can draw Harley Quinn naked in a bathtub purportedly breaking the 4th wall.

At best what will happen to the winner of this contest is doing inking work, additional pencils, storyboarding, and maybe promotional artwork. This is not going to actually lead to a career making comics. Because DC is not interested in getting people into a career making comics. They are interested in publicity.

And they really, REALLY suck at that, if these last few days have shown anything.

Skeleon:
Weird requirements, to say the least. While the last one is probably the worst, the other three panels are bizarre as well, especially considering how comical their descriptions sound. Failed suicide attempts, quite a laugh, eh.
I'm not familiar with the character, though. Maybe failed suicide attempts are a running gag with her?

Yeah, her humor can run pretty dark. Apparently there was some context to this where Harley is breaking the 4th wall to complain about the writers even sexualizing her when she is committing suicide, but they don't bother to mention it. If there is context that explains it, why leave it out and make yourself look like a bunch of creepers?

When I first heard they where holding a contest to draw a page in the new Harley comics I thought to myself that this could be a start of something positive. Now that Ive actually read a bit more about the whole thing Im sighing in disbelief and shaking my head in shame over the decline of my favorite Comic Book company.

Aside from the Chicken Bikini, I fail to see any parallel between what they're asking and Loony Tunes.

"Are you tired of having to comb through dozens of articles trying to figure out if DC Comics has done something cringeworthy today? Would you like to be the first person to know how long it's been since DC's alienated fans, minorities or people with discerning taste? Do you like regularly experiencing schaudenfreude at the expense of a major corporate entity? Well, The Outhouse has the solution for you!"

So, apparently that site exists. Sad times for DC. Maybe stop being horrible idiots?

Even with the contect added later, this still seems pretty low.
This still seems like a crappy thing to ask for.

Considering it's Harley complaining about the writers, isn't it kinda insulting to previous writers? <.<
Not that I entirely agree with things they've done.
Harley was a pretty perfect character when she wore the outfit she's pretty much named after. Lately she's wearing little more than a bodice, shorts, and shoes kinda taking away from her name's origins.
It kinda bothers me, but I can get used to her latest look.

Honestly, the 4th pannel gets pretty dark, gritty, realistic, and kinda creepy. They specefically ask for her to be naked.
For all the people throwing around the "Well she's insane! Of course she's killing herself!" being naked in the tub killing one's self is a pretty -sane- way to go about it.

Maybe with the new context, it can be more obvious she's trying to protest the way she's being utilized? I doubt it.

Frankly I'd be surprised if DC didn't get any porn over the 4th pannel. Heck, I'd be surprsed if all 4 pannels weren't pornographic sooner or later.

I like nudity. I like sexualized nudity. I like Harley Quinn. I like it when Harley Quinn does sick and messed up things. So my question is, where can I see entries? I don't get the outrage or why people are deciding to be offended. In this run of Batman, the Joker has his face sliced off and held in place with string. Speaking of which, I wouldn't mind if this contest were about drawing a nude Joker or any other disturbing Bat character. Hey, how about Bruno with the swastikas on her boobs from what many consider the greatest comic book of all time?

I just think people are freaking out because A. anti suicide campaigns are a popular cause recently and B. it's hip to decry any female character's sexualization to start a debate about feminism. The latter seems a bit sexist to me. :)

But yes, suicide is horrible, women should be treated equally and not be sexualized all the time. I just don't see why this particular contest is offensive to people's sensibilities. It's not even in the main continuity of the story. It's just an art contest. I'm guessing the people who are offended probably don't even read the comics they're disgusted with.

I like Harley Quinn I like how dark and tragic her story is....I don't like it when DC abuses a character like her for publicity. DC has shown time and time again that it doesn't give a shit about it's characters in any regards expect for who gets money from marketing them. And that's what this is, publicity and I am so glad it is exploding in their faces. Maybe if they mentioned the fourth wall thing earlier people wouldn't have been so upset you could draw her looking at the reader 'Yeah this fuckwit is into this shit.' But they didn't they didn't mention it until after the shitstorm was in full swing. This is a continuation of the blatant misogyny shown by DC.

DC...women read comics a lot of them do. keep this up...and they won't be reading YOUR comics. That's half a market your alienating at least. And more of the other half who find this kind of shit...disturbing and wrong. I am not here to start an arguement so I won't be saying anything is fact, it's just that I personally find this...wrong. I personally find it to be them trying to sexualize or make light of Suicide. You can say that 'harley is crazy' all you want but does that really make it better? Does sexualizing the suicide of a mentally unstable person make any of this more palatable? I don't think it does.

Seanfall:
I like Harley Quinn I like how dark and tragic her story is....I don't like it when DC abuses a character like her for publicity. DC has shown time and time again that it doesn't give a shit about it's characters in any regards expect for who gets money from marketing them. And that's what this is, publicity and I am so glad it is exploding in their faces. Maybe if they mentioned the fourth wall thing earlier people wouldn't have been so upset you could draw her looking at the reader 'Yeah this fuckwit is into this shit.' But they didn't they didn't mention it until after the shitstorm was in full swing. This is a continuation of the blatant misogyny shown by DC.

DC...women read comics a lot of them do. keep this up...and they won't be reading YOUR comics. That's half a market your alienating at least. And more of the other half who find this kind of shit...disturbing and wrong. I am not here to start an arguement so I won't be saying anything is fact, it's just that I personally find this...wrong. I personally find it to be them trying to sexualize or make light of Suicide. You can say that 'harley is crazy' all you want but does that really make it better? Does sexualizing the suicide of a mentally unstable person make any of this more palatable? I don't think it does.

Erm, the "4th wall breaking" was said from the start. The media sites that decided to report on it conveniently forgot to say that part. And no, they are anot alienating anyone but the people who love to be offended at everything. Other people will not give a shit and just continue to read the comics instead of trying really hard to see things that arent there and being offended about it.
And no, they are not sexualizing suicide. People that are in bathtubs, are usually naked. Do you know that?

Trying so hard to be offended at something and not even looking at the context of the story.... /sigh

Sgt. Sykes:
I'll quote myself from another topic:

Okay let me ask here... What's the problem?

- people do commit suicide in bathtubs
- when they do it, I assume they're quite often naked

Yes. This. All of this post.

Though I don't think naked suicide is super often, bathtub suicides are (probably) naked 100% of the time.

And the chose a bathtub suicide because, the way they envisioned it, it involves a lot of detail and a very specific tone. Two things they need to test someone on before they let them do the art for one of their comics.

They obviously said "naked" specifically in the prompt so that contestants knew exactly what to draw. They never said "let us see Harley's nipples." I assume any good artist would know that the water would do the censoring for them. No need to have her in her underwear (because c'mon, who does that?).

In short: if it were Bruce Wayne instead of Harley Quinn, nobody would give this much of a shit.

I'll be honest, it sounds more like a Looney Tones/Adams Family sketch than a serious depiction of someone pushed to the edge. You know, considering it's Harley and all.

Not worth getting mad over anyway, the whole thing is obviously a PR ploy to stir up the hornets nest and get a bunch of free press. No such thing as bad press and all that. If this offends you, just don't buy DC comics. Don't get mad about it and post it everywhere, you're giving the people you're mad at what they want.

BernardoOne:

Seanfall:
I like Harley Quinn I like how dark and tragic her story is....I don't like it when DC abuses a character like her for publicity. DC has shown time and time again that it doesn't give a shit about it's characters in any regards expect for who gets money from marketing them. And that's what this is, publicity and I am so glad it is exploding in their faces. Maybe if they mentioned the fourth wall thing earlier people wouldn't have been so upset you could draw her looking at the reader 'Yeah this fuckwit is into this shit.' But they didn't they didn't mention it until after the shitstorm was in full swing. This is a continuation of the blatant misogyny shown by DC.

DC...women read comics a lot of them do. keep this up...and they won't be reading YOUR comics. That's half a market your alienating at least. And more of the other half who find this kind of shit...disturbing and wrong. I am not here to start an arguement so I won't be saying anything is fact, it's just that I personally find this...wrong. I personally find it to be them trying to sexualize or make light of Suicide. You can say that 'harley is crazy' all you want but does that really make it better? Does sexualizing the suicide of a mentally unstable person make any of this more palatable? I don't think it does.

Erm, the "4th wall breaking" was said from the start. The media sites that decided to report on it conveniently forgot to say that part. And no, they are anot alienating anyone but the people who love to be offended at everything. Other people will not give a shit and just continue to read the comics instead of trying really hard to see things that arent there and being offended about it.
And no, they are not sexualizing suicide. People that are in bathtubs, are usually naked. Do you know that?

Trying so hard to be offended at something and not even looking at the context of the story.... /sigh

The 4th wall breaking was mentioned on Twitter first as far as I know. it was not reported with the first script. Yes people get offended at stuff. Stuff that is offensive and meant to incense and anger. And those people who don't give a shit? Good for them, but I and many others aren't any of them. This things are there subtext matters. Yes I know people are naked there's not need to try to insult my intelligence. But they didn't need to draw attention to that point in the script, and you know what...SHE DOESN'T NEED TO BE KILLING HERSELF! I wouldn't have a problem with this if the Joker for instance had the rope that would be fine why? Cause the jokers fucked like that.

Yes I am looking at the context and Yes I am offended and no I didn't have to try. Stop assuming that...I don't know why i'm even making this post. As everything i've said is just going to be disregarded in favor of straw man arguments. And what story? the reporting of this event? The event itself? The event is to draw An attractive woman in various dangerous or suicidal situations. The first three I don't mind their almost comical it's the final one that gets me.

I could imagine these images to look funny in a disturbing sort of way.
I'm cool with this.

Personally, I don't find this idea offensive, but just really, really stupid.

So the contest idea is to draw someone committing suicide in some really odd (and in some cases, realistic) ways? No offense, but that's a pretty dumb idea to gauge the talent of some promising comic artists.

I would guess that it would be a good measuring stick if an artist can do this WITHOUT it being just a porno thing
an artist who can draw Harley nude in a bath committing suicide but not have it be crude or disrespectful or sexualized but rather showing the full gravity of her desperation and despair would be a winning catch for DC

This would be a very hard subject to draw without either going too far or not far enough
the artist would have to treat the subject of suicide with the weight it deserves yet keep Harley "in character" but still out of character enough that she would commit suicide

and yes, many will submit watered down "you didn't really want us to do THAT did you?" work
and some will submit snuff porn that they will have jerked off to before submitting it

I assume that such submissions will be rejected as cowardly and/or perverted in favor of the submissions that draw the subject right.

The fact that there is a contest to draw a chipper character committing suicide seems... Wrong, I'm not saying that suicide can't be funny. Heck there was one Tom&Jerry episode about a duck that wants to commit suicide and it was actually pretty funny... But this is a human and one that is in a abusive relationship while being not all there... And you want to have her commit suicide. What if Marvel did something like this, what if they said something like "Yeah know how Spiderman is always in pain over his loss of his loves but still is a wisecracker and has a positive attitude... Well I'm gonna have a contest to see who can draw the best Spiderman committing suicide while making hilarious quips! How about you make one where he gets killed by a mind-washed Mary Jane it will be hilarious!"

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