Microsoft Warns: Don't Stand Your Xbox One Vertical

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AuronFtw:
At least they're telling us about it, but I can't help but wonder... why is it suddenly so bad to trash talk the continued failures of the Xbone? Multiple folks going "oh god stop beating a dead horse," and honestly, that's kinda fucking stupid. Beating the horse to begin with is how M$ figured out that nobody wanted their kinect bullshit, or their suicide watch checkins, or their used games DRM. People talked about stupid bullshit in the system and M$ backpedaled.

But then, guess what happened? They kept doing dumb shit and saying dumb shit. Considering that every other console in recent memory, and even as far back as PS2, has had side-playing capabilities, what kind of failure in design prevents it from working in the already pretty fucking failure Xbone? What kind of failure in design is causing this issue coming from Microsoft, the same developer that brought you the failure in design Xbox 360 with a literal death sentence on a huge chunk of its consoles? You really, REALLY don't think it's worth at least talking about? What the fuck? What universe are you guys living in? This company has a history of console failures, a history of draconian anti-consumer features AND a history of lying about them being "required for operation," followed by ferocious backpedaling, and you don't think it's worth a conversation about the potential reasons why they've failed at this part, too? Seriously?

It wouldn't be "as big of an issue" if Sony announced it, that's to be sure; but that's because Sony hasn't had an entire season's worth of stupid bullshit spewed out related to their console already. When that's all M$ has had (stupid bullshit followed by terrified backpedaling), it's really not all that hard to see why people would continue to point out its failures. Yeah, it's mostly a matter of convenience, but considering how big of a piece of shit this console is already shaping up to be, you'd think M$ would want to make it as convenient for their consumers as possible - not the opposite.

As one of those people saying "it's not that big a deal". I think the issue is minor. I don't recall saying complaining is bad/wrong, but I do believe, in this case, it's not warranted. All the previous items you mentioned were indeed horrible ideas for the Xbox One.It was a system to control their product completely, police their users, and punish them for noncompliance. Yes, that was something worth protesting from the top of my voice from the highest point. But telling you not to turn it on it's side? It ranks right up there with dropping a skittle as I'm walking; I keep walking. This isn't something to break out the torches and pitchforks over. We complained and MS changed things, but this one doesn't seem like a cause worth championing. They said it's not recommended and to do so at your own risk. They didn't say "DO NOT DO IT OR WE RELEASE THE INTERNET SPIDERS!!!" No, they just said it's not wise to do so. The machine wasn't designed that way. Complaining works as does protesting, but the more such things are used the less effective they can get. "Man, they're complaining about everything. Maybe we should just stop listening." I've been in such a situation. After awhile my eyes kinda glaze over and I just ignore the shouting. And if Sony made the same announcement I wouldn't complain. Not because I actually like their product, but because it's a non-issue. It's not something that changes how you enjoy the games, but it would effect if/how the system works. Now that is an issue.

Dragonbums:

EDIT: saw the statistic...don't know why anyone would do that to hardware that obviously was meant to be horizontal. Only thing I can think of relates to saving space.

Ive seen plenty of people keep their desktop towers horizontal.... and i dont mean those that are designed to be so.
people often put the hardware in a way they can isntead of a way they should do it. and its kinda thier fault for that of course.
That being said, the drive is the problem? really you made your drive so shitty it cant stand being vertical? wow did they try to cut corners on the Xbox. i fear for 100% failure rate the way this is going.

Wouldnt tat also be kinda... dangerous? if the disc slips when vertical it means it can easily break apart at the speeds its going so for one your game would be ruined and when dic breaks apart it usually breakes the drive too while at it, and thats the "lucky" scenario. the "unlucky" on is you get shrapnel into your mobo/gpu and those go bust.

Matthi205:
On the other hand, I could buy PC components and dangle them upside down from the ceiling, and they'd still work fine. They'd also be cheaper, so I'll be doing just that while waiting for the eventual release of GTA V for Windows.

Not if you use standart cooling. ive seen one too many horror shows inside towers to advise anything but optimal airflow when were talking stock cooling (think - 99% of PC users).

Evil Smurf:
Wait.....So if I buy this thing which is $500+ I can't put it vertically? If I spend $500+ on a thing, I want to put it any orientation I please!

Microsoft is going to get the stupidest company in America award this year.

Wait... So if i buy this thing which is $5000+ called a Car, i cant drive it to its speed limit on two wheels while upside down? If I spend $5000+ on a thing, I want to drive it any way I please!

Maiev Shadowsong:
My Wii us dying in a dust heap....... somewhere. Hm.

Anyway! You can't really blame Microsoft if people don't read the inevitable papers that come with it, telling you what not do and the such. If you're going to assume you can do something, even if it seems obvious to you and it fucks up, well, read more.

My Wii also died a painful death at the hands of the dust lord. I think last I played on it the batteries in the controllers had started leaking after 3+ years of non-use. Whoops.

In any case, no, you can't blame Microsoft. I guess that they'll make an announcement on the home screen to stop people putting their Xbone on its side. And then people really can't blame them.

But yeah. It doesn't necessarily need to be the company's fault for a scandal to be made, unfortunately. See: Silly parents giving young kids GTA despite the R18 age rating.

Dragonbums:
Do they think people are really that stupid?

I'm serious here.

EDIT: saw the statistic...don't know why anyone would do that to hardware that obviously was meant to be horizontal. Only thing I can think of relates to saving space.

Heads up, "thrilling" console gaming history lesson coming up.

Google xbox 360 and look on images, the vast majority show the console standing vertically. It goes back to the PS2 where Sony started showing the console standing vertically and selling stands etc (as you say this was to with saving space) even though they had the same problem with it shortening lifespan. Unsuprisingly Sony didn't want to advertise this mistake so customers were never properly informed and when a large portion of the market shifted to Xbox 360 (thanks in no small part to gap in next gen console release dates between the 360 and the PS3) they still weren't informed of the potential damage it does to consoles and had gotten use to their console standing on its end - old habits die hard and all that. You can still buy vertical stands for both consoles (and even for the Xbone/ ps4 unless I'm mistaken) so obviously there's still enough people who haven't taken the time to do a quick google search on how to handle their fairly expensive hardware.

You'd be suprised how many people still don't know about all this although in my experience it does seem to predominantly be 360 owners. I guess the extra couple of years with a ps2 waiting for the ps3 was enough for people to catch on/ get fid up of breakdowns.

Good to see Microsoft trying to do something about it (albeit much too late and very quietly), if Sony had done this 7 or 8 years ago it probably wouldn't even be a problem now.

People saying it isn't a big deal have to take into account the size of this fucking monstrosity.

It is needlessly massive, it is bigger than the original fat PS3, and for what reason?

We all know that in 9 months time we will see the first "Xbox one slim".

While it isn't such a big deal that you can't stand it up vertically, if you combine that with being the size of a hummer it might pose a significant problem for a lot of people.

Even if current stats say most use the 360 horizontally... the xbox one is longer than the 360, who's to say this is still going to be a possibility for all these users.

Strazdas:

Dragonbums:

EDIT: saw the statistic...don't know why anyone would do that to hardware that obviously was meant to be horizontal. Only thing I can think of relates to saving space.

Ive seen plenty of people keep their desktop towers horizontal.... and i dont mean those that are designed to be so.
people often put the hardware in a way they can isntead of a way they should do it. and its kinda thier fault for that of course.
That being said, the drive is the problem? really you made your drive so shitty it cant stand being vertical? wow did they try to cut corners on the Xbox. i fear for 100% failure rate the way this is going.

Wouldnt tat also be kinda... dangerous? if the disc slips when vertical it means it can easily break apart at the speeds its going so for one your game would be ruined and when dic breaks apart it usually breakes the drive too while at it, and thats the "lucky" scenario. the "unlucky" on is you get shrapnel into your mobo/gpu and those go bust.

Matthi205:
On the other hand, I could buy PC components and dangle them upside down from the ceiling, and they'd still work fine. They'd also be cheaper, so I'll be doing just that while waiting for the eventual release of GTA V for Windows.

Not if you use standart cooling. ive seen one too many horror shows inside towers to advise anything but optimal airflow when were talking stock cooling (think - 99% of PC users).

Evil Smurf:
Wait.....So if I buy this thing which is $500+ I can't put it vertically? If I spend $500+ on a thing, I want to put it any orientation I please!

Microsoft is going to get the stupidest company in America award this year.

Wait... So if i buy this thing which is $5000+ called a Car, i cant drive it to its speed limit on two wheels while upside down? If I spend $5000+ on a thing, I want to drive it any way I please!

Can you see the difference between a console and a car?

Evil Smurf:
Can you see the difference between a console and a car?

Hmm, well both have computers in them. Both come with warranties. Both tend to get overly abused without too much regard for maintenance and upkeep.

Nope, not quite seeing it. Sorry! /sarcasm

OT: This screams to me of a lesson past wherein faulty/poor design choices and applications lead to a coining of a phrase: Red Ring of Death. Not going to trust Microsoft on this one. Or any future ones for that matter.

fix-the-spade:

MinionJoe:
They really did throw out the baby with the bathwater when they designed this thing, didn't they?

I bet it's a cost thing, a slot drive that can safely run vertically probably costs a dollar more than one that doesn't.

I'm waiting to see what the big manufacturing error will be in the Xbone, there will be something, I'm banking on it being related to that non-removable hard drive.

I bet its something far more simple.

People scratch up their discs when they tilt their console with the disc spinning. You can be this happens all the time, a vertical system is just not stable, esp around children.

So yea, it is kind of rational.

Its not a super premium product were they can weight the bottom for stability.

So yea watch the children jump on the bandwagon of hate on this one, but honestly its just common sense.

Evil Smurf:

Evil Smurf:
Wait.....So if I buy this thing which is $500+ I can't put it vertically? If I spend $500+ on a thing, I want to put it any orientation I please!

Microsoft is going to get the stupidest company in America award this year.

Wait... So if i buy this thing which is $5000+ called a Car, i cant drive it to its speed limit on two wheels while upside down? If I spend $5000+ on a thing, I want to drive it any way I please!

Can you see the difference between a console and a car?[/quote]
If we only apply the logic you provided - no.
If we apply outside logic, then it should apply to Xbox as well.

Strazdas:
If we only apply the logic you provided - no.
If we apply outside logic, then it should apply to Xbox as well.

Let me explain this for you:
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All these are consoles that work upright. Consoles that have been designed to work upright. Historically consoles have worked upright. We pay a lot for them and get a product we can position any way we want.

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These are cars, cars have always been designed for horisontal use. When you buy a car you don't think: "Can this work on it's side?" However expensive they are, a car has never do that.

A car is not a console, you don't buy a console with the same expectations or specs in mind as a car.

In summery: Historically consoles have worked upright and horisontal, we pay for a machine that works both ways. However a $500 console that does not go upright stinks of shoddy parts and anti consumer bullshit. We should expect that a $500 console would be an improvement on the previous generation. The Xbone is not. The 360 is a better console, so is every other console.

Evil Smurf:
Let me explain this for you:[images with links so long i didnt think possible]

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This console was never shown in any other position than this, therefore it is logical to assume that this is the way it is meant to be used.
Just like a car, you should use console the way it is intended to use.
Whether console itself is shit or not is irrelevant ( i agree that its shit), were talking about using it in a position that it is intended to be used. and Xbone is intended to be used horizontally.
P.S. this is also a car, it is designed to work this way, and it is not advised to add 4 wheels to it. but hey, people just want to do whatever they want with their car, right?
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And no, cars werent always 4 wheels either.
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My point: things change. just because it was vertical before does not mean it should be again. whether you accept that or not dependso n whether you buy the thing, but you take this choice before buying it, not after. and by buying it you accept that you will be using it in a position your supposed to be using it (or well you can chose to be stupid).

If I bought this I would have nowhere to put it.
Simple as that.
The thing is fucking huge, my desk just does not have the space for it in a horizontal position.

So they're warning us THIS TIME?!

OT: Seriously, why didn't they warn us last time? RROD and billions of laser burns were, what, part of their evil business plan? Did they want people to hate them before this next console rolled around? Well it worked!

stabnex:
So they're warning us THIS TIME?!

OT: Seriously, why didn't they warn us last time? RROD and billions of laser burns were, what, part of their evil business plan? Did they want people to hate them before this next console rolled around? Well it worked!

What would they have warned about last time? There was/is nothing wrong with sticking a 360 on it's side (unless you're dumb enough to switch it while the machine is running, I guess). The only thing they could have warned about is 'shit manufacturing with high chance of malfunctioning no matter what you do'.

LaoJim:
Am I the only person on this board who is horrified by the very thought of putting an Xbox (or Playstation or CD player or DVD player or a PC that's not a tower) vertically. It's just...wrong...somehow. Ugg. I'm happy that Microsoft has come out strongly against this vile practice.

Seems like you're the only one really, I put mine vertically because I don't have space to put it horizontally. The only fear I have is that a disc falls from the drive because I didn't secure it properly.

Dragonbums:
Do they think people are really that stupid?

I'm serious here.

EDIT: saw the statistic...don't know why anyone would do that to hardware that obviously was meant to be horizontal. Only thing I can think of relates to saving space.

The 360 was meant to be horizontal or vertical, as evidenced by the foot-pads on the bottom and the side, as well as the rotating indicator light. Also, considering one of the primary air vents was located on the bottom, setting it horizontal could lead to over-heating issues during extended play. However, I don't see why anyone would set the xboxone vertical if it isn't designed for it.

Well.... Duh?
Yes, I understand some people will cite the fact that all other consoles can be placed vertically, oh well.

Vertical placement is just unreliable when it comes to game consoles, since there is a greater chance of it being knocked around.
Noone complained when the Xbox (the first one), N64, Gamecube, and even PCs cannot have their orientation changed...
I think most people are just complaining to bash the Xbone.

Seriously, is it that much trouble to just make a 12"x10"x6" space in your room? Hell, that's nothing.

Why is this a big deal?

No really? Why are people upset about this?

So what, you can't stand it up. I can't stand my blu ray upright, does that mean I didn't want to use it? Hell no.

Seriously people are just looking for reasons to get mad at this now.

Caiphus:

Anywho, I'd be more concerned about the large portion (I would assume at least 50%) of Xbox users who don't read gaming news. Especially if Microsoft is marketing this stuff to non-gamers. How are they gonna know? And who the hell reads safety manuals for consumer electronics these days anyway?

I never buy anything on release, so I don't care about this "issue" one way or the other personally, but if you're looking at the non-gamers, surely they'd be less likely to want it to be vertical? After all, if the marketing push there is that it can replace your DVR/DVDplayer/TV box and those all sit horizontally, why wouldn't they assume this to work the same way? After all, the shelves on most media units are built for boxes that sit horizontally.

Set ye console on its longest and widest side but not the side with the vent slots as it is known as the top but, set ye console on the solid side known as the bottom and do not set ye kinect on top of console as it could combust. No thou shall not set the console on its face, nor on its rear, and vertical is straight out!

Sorry OP couldn't resist but at least this time having it horizontal isn't so the thing doesn't die.

chadachada123:

TomWiley:
What's the news value here?

Did this become one of the most viewed articles of the on Escapist because people are genuinely upset they won't be able to put their Xbox One on the side?

I just see it as a PSA, a heads-up for previous owners that would have rightfully assumed that it could lay vertical otherwise.

"Hey, by the way, even though tons of other systems, including our previous one, can be set vertical, don't do it for this one."

Sucks for people that don't have space, but it's absolutely good to let people know ahead of time to help inform them.

Then I guess what I perceived as overreaction was just a bunch of people seeing these news as an excuse to fume their general and increasingly ridiculous "Xbone" hatred.

Evil Smurf:

Strazdas:
If we only apply the logic you provided - no.
If we apply outside logic, then it should apply to Xbox as well.

Let me explain this for you:
imageimageimage

All these are consoles that work upright. Consoles that have been designed to work upright. Historically consoles have worked upright. We pay a lot for them and get a product we can position any way we want.

imageimageimage
These are cars, cars have always been designed for horisontal use. When you buy a car you don't think: "Can this work on it's side?" However expensive they are, a car has never do that.

A car is not a console, you don't buy a console with the same expectations or specs in mind as a car.

In summery: Historically consoles have worked upright and horisontal, we pay for a machine that works both ways. However a $500 console that does not go upright stinks of shoddy parts and anti consumer bullshit. We should expect that a $500 console would be an improvement on the previous generation. The Xbone is not. The 360 is a better console, so is every other console.

Interesting theory but practically consoles are better off horizontal when children around, and frankly that covers a large portion of installs, unless you put lead weights in the base, I'm pretty sure a decent number of support calls come from consoles that have been knocked over. vertical was a style over substance design choice, not comparable to automobiles...

I don't think that lack of vertical capabilities are a make or break scenario, but that oval form factor dingy doo that the ps3 had can go. I like being able to stack things.

Eh it's not something I really care about but it does pose another question, if the console moves while it's being used is it going to ruin your disc like the 360 does. One of the worst designs ever.

Well it's not that big of a deal IMO, yeah there is the space issue and I admit that's something that could be a problem for a few people. But in the grand scheme of things it's not an overwhelmingly large problem considering some of the other issues with the Xbone.

I'm undecided on if I will invest in the next console gen at the moment, mainly because I'm thinking of building myself a gaming rig but another issue is the quality of manufacturing.

I just don't trust MS to get it right fist time. Not after what happened with the last Xbox anyway. I was one of the lucky ones. I have had a 360 for five years now (Original then I upgraded to a Slim about a year ago) never had a problem with the console its self. I don't like the drive though, I really hate that thing.

Why is it so loud?!? I've herd jack hammers quieter than that thing, hell my laptop's CD drive is whisper quiet and that's 8 years old now. You would think that it's something they might have addressed with the Slim. Also why does it spool up and then stay spinning for so long? I install all my games on the HDD so there's really no excuse for it.

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