Nintendo's New Handheld is a Revamped, Redesigned 3DS

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"Do you have a new 3DS?"
"Sorry, did you mean new 3DS or new 3DS?"
"New New 3DS"
"Sorry, we only have used new 3DS and new old 3DS"
"Well, fuck you then"
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I told myself I would hold off on Nintendo portable system until it has dual analog. I didn't think it would come this soon and I'm kind of disappointed if this is the best Nintendo could do.

xaszatm:
The 3DS and 3DSXL was more expensive in Japan than in America. I'm not seeing them raising the price, especially with the 3DSXL being only $199.00 in America. And yes, it's still expensive. I never said it wasn't. But if you have an old system, you're probably going to trade in that one for the new one. Especially considering that digital games are only tied to one account. That drops the price even further.

But they're still paying. You don't seem to understand that early adopters aren't going to smile and like the fact that they still have to pay a sum of over ~$50-100 to play newer games that devs made N3DS exclusive, just because N3DS exists in the first place. And what in the case of people like me, who got a limited edition and wouldn't like to see it out of their collection? I bought my Fire Emblem Limited Edition 3DS thinking that's all I'll need for this generation of Nintendo handhelds, functionality-wise (larger screen of the 3DSXL? Who cares, I can live without it, and it has no effect on gameplay at all), and here comes Nintendo to flip off not just people that got limited editions, but everyone that was an early adopter of every model of the 3DS released thus far. Everyone.

Let's look at it a year from now, we're gonna hear of some P4G/Peace Walker-esque magnum-opus for N3DS sooner or later (maybe even 1st party, this is Nintendo we're talking about here), and every single person that would ever want to play it is going to have to go through the N3DS paywall. People complain about half-finished games that are only completed when you purchase DLC? How about a paywall of $50-$200, depending on whether you sell a 3DS/XL system in order to play at all? It's an insult to preexisting, loyal consumers so huge people don't even realize that they're getting slapped in the face in the first place.

Besides, if this really was a new system, it would have a bigger announcement. They wouldn't just leave it for a Japanese only direct that covered only half the video.

Are you kidding me? They produce this new hardware and you think they're going to understate its relevance? Do you think any company would release any kind of product, whether it's a marginal upgrade or not, without the intent to advertise? Without the intent to sell? You can bet your bottom dollar there are going to be playable demos at TGS, e3'15, PAX East/Prime 15, and your nearest GameStop a year from now, in addition to announcements for all the N3DS-exclusive games available for it. This? This is just the first word of it. The Teaser Trailer. The Theatrical and Viral campaigns are coming.

Paulhorne Schillings:

xaszatm:
The 3DS and 3DSXL was more expensive in Japan than in America. I'm not seeing them raising the price, especially with the 3DSXL being only $199.00 in America. And yes, it's still expensive. I never said it wasn't. But if you have an old system, you're probably going to trade in that one for the new one. Especially considering that digital games are only tied to one account. That drops the price even further.

But they're still paying. You don't seem to understand that early adopters aren't going to smile and like the fact that they still have to pay a sum of over ~$50-100 to play newer games that devs made N3DS exclusive, just because N3DS exists in the first place. And what in the case of people like me, who got a limited edition and wouldn't like to see it out of their collection? I bought my Fire Emblem Limited Edition 3DS thinking that's all I'll need for this generation of Nintendo handhelds, functionality-wise (larger screen of the 3DSXL? Who cares, I can live without it, and it has no effect on gameplay at all), and here comes Nintendo to flip off not just people that got limited editions, but everyone that was an early adopter of every model of the 3DS released thus far. Everyone.

Let's look at it a year from now, we're gonna hear of some P4G/Peace Walker-esque magnum-opus for N3DS sooner or later (maybe even 1st party, this is Nintendo we're talking about here), and every single person that would ever want to play it is going to have to go through the N3DS paywall. People complain about half-finished games that are only completed when you purchase DLC? How about a paywall of $50-$200, depending on whether you sell a 3DS/XL system in order to play at all? It's an insult to preexisting, loyal consumers so huge people don't even realize that they're getting slapped in the face in the first place.

Besides, if this really was a new system, it would have a bigger announcement. They wouldn't just leave it for a Japanese only direct that covered only half the video.

Are you kidding me? They produce this new hardware and you think they're going to understate its relevance? You can bet your bottom dollar there are going to be playable demos at TGS, e3'15, PAX East/Prime 15, and your nearest GameStop a year from now, in addition to announcements for all the N3DS-exclusive games available for it. This? This is just the first word of it. The Teaser Trailer. The Theatrical and Viral campaigns are coming.

I don't know. Remember the 2DS? It appeared out of nowhere, got a few commercials, appeared in a few conventions, then vanished into the bowels of the abyss in the media spotlight. I don't think Nintendo even uses it anymore in 3DS commercials This has a few exclusives like the DSi did. I'm really not seeing the panic in everyone's eye or the fury over this. Don't want to buy this new edition? Don't buy it. The new handheld will probably be around 2-3 years from now and you can get the game super cheap then.

Also, I have bought every Nintendo console from the Gamecube onward at launch. I'm thinking about trading in my 3DS for this right now. I already got my Ambassador's certificate (which still has games not released on the eShop) so I already was compensated a long time ago for my purchase.

Pokemon Alpha Ruby BETTER work on the older 3DS models.

Nintendo, don't screw up even more...

arc1991:
Pokemon Alpha Ruby BETTER work on the older 3DS models.

Nintendo, don't screw up even more...

Since Alpha Ruby comes out before this new 3DS comes out in Japan (let alone the 2015 release date for Europe and America), I think you'll be fine.

youji itami:

joshuaayt:
I looked at that picture, and my first thoughts were, respectively
"Oh, so they still haven't built in a second stick." and
"Weird that the power switch is a face button... Oh."

That second stick is a little useless baby, but I guess it's better than the attachment you have to use now.

xaszatm:

Game Boy Color and the DSi say hello. Did everyone forget that Nintendo does this...like EVERY handheld has the same cycle? (New system --> Improved System (repeat this step maybe once or twice) --> 1.5 Edition with exclusives attached to keep buying power --> New System) The only one that broke it was the Advanced line, and that was because 4 years was too short to have a 1.5 Advanced.

Advanced had the GBA SP- the first clamshell design. It also brought an inbuilt backlight, and rechargable battery.

You're right, this is absolutely the norm for ol' ninty.

The GBA SP was a different hardware design but did not use different games so not really the same thing.

You could only play Advance Games on the SP, GBC games didn't work, thanks to the GBC cartridges not having a slight delve at the bottom.

GZGoten:
the new C Button doubles as a second thumb stick... are you kidding me? Look at the size of that thing!
take a page from VITA Nintendo, even if the device is unpopular at least it's control scheme is well designed and adequately sized for human hands

I agree.. that new analog stick is ridiculously tiny... why didn't Nintendo just move the face buttons down, relocated the start and select buttons to a side by side position at the bottom of the side their currently on and then use the space left at the top to put in a full sized second analog stick?.. i even did a photoshop picture of what it should have looked like..

image

much better isn't it?

crazygameguy4ever:
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Better question, why the hell didn't Nintendo put two analog sticks on this system the FIRST TIME AROUND LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE!?!

Not to mention why didn't they test the damned 3D function so it actually worked for anything other than a tiny very specific spot instead of creating massive headaches in the vast majority of people who used it and making it awkward to use?

My 3DS XL isn't even a year old yet, and I spent two years debating with myself whether or not to buy it, so this honestly really pisses me off. It wouldn't be as bad if it weren't for the fact that they're making games that are exclusive to this version of the 3DS.

major_chaos:
No, no, nonoonononoooooo. What the fuck Nintendo, there is nothing good about this. You are having a hard enough time getting people to realize the WiiU isn't just a new version of the Wii, how the hell do you expect to sell theses things? And exclusive games? Really? Yea forcing people to upgrade to a slightly better version of the handheld they just bought is going to go over faaaaaantasticaly. Also is the article implying that little "C button" is suppose to replace the circle pad? It better not mean that, because that little shitty nub thing is not even close to good enough to replace a proper stick. Normally I like Nintendo's handhelds even if I loath their consoles, but I'll buy a PS Vita before I buy this giant pile of what the fuck.

While maybe not as upset as you, I agree that this is a bad look. This coming from someone who sells video games for a living. Trust me, whenever I hear a customer come in and say, "My son was looking for something called the 'DS'", my entire brain begs me to run away screaming. Its already a massive and (literally) painful clusterfuck trying to explain to people what the hell the differences are between the SEVEN existing DS models and which games work for which systems.

Throw in the fact that I work in a store right outside DC where we have an extremely diverse customer base, and now you can add language barriers on top of the fact that most of these parents (who, lets be honest are the real customers here, on behalf of their kids), of any nationality or language, don't really care about it.

Now I can add an EIGHTH system to the mix and a THIRD exclusive set of games. Believe me, when I read this, the fact that they're just calling it the New 3DS, while annoying, is the least of my concerns.

major_chaos:

xaszatm:

Also, Xenoblade Chronicles is this important? Don't get me wrong, it's a great game, but have you seen the 3DS version? It doesn't look like an improvement. The framerate seems wonky as all hell and it looks like this system is just barely able to handle it. I'd suggest the Wii version of this new one.

I'm not specifically worried about Xenoblade because I allready have the Wii version (somehow. those disks are fucking pressed unobtaniuim), I'm worried that
A. all future major 3DS exclusives are going to require this version in order to drive sales and
B. this sets an ugly precedent if it does well. Can you imagine Microsoft latching onto this concept? "Now introducing the Xbox one.5!!! The totaly optional (lol not really) upgraded version of the Xbox One!! Now exactly the same but with faceplates and 1GB more RAM! Only $499! Get yours now, because otherwise you can't play Halo 6 suckers"

I'm not as concerned with this. For all their faults, its worth noting that Sony AND Microsoft both created new 'models' of their PS3 and 360s (some pretty major changes to them physically and internally) but they never made a new format. If I recall correctly, the DS came out roughly in the same timeframe as the 360 and PS3, and I notice that the 3DS is now approaching its 3rd new 'format' in that time frame, whereas we JUST got the first new console format in the form of PS4/XB1.

Point is, I don't think Microsoft or Sony will pull that, and if they do make new models (which they already are), they won't make them exclusive formats. Microsoft got enough bad press from E3 2013, they're not dumb enough to do that again, no not even Microsoft.

Dying_Jester:
Well, I've not owned a Nintendo handheld since the DS lite, guess I'll add this to the list of stuff to get.
-Guts of a PC I'm building
-Wii U
-New 3DS

Edit-
So, I read some of the comments and I gotta say I'm confused by the frustration of some people. I can't understand why people are trying to look at this like it's just another 3DS, like the 2DS or XL. Not every new handheld generation needs to be so drastically different to warrant purchase. I don't see this as anything different then having a PS1, but needing to upgrade to a PS2 to play PS2 games.

Because this clearly isn't the '4DS', or whatever Nintendo is going to call their ACTUAL new system.

My take is, it's just a weird trend to people to have smaller, system updates. People (validly) expect that 'new piece of hardware = new generation', and when its not, implicitly (PS4/XBO) or explicitly (New 3DS), people are going to be ranged from confused to angry for needing new information and/or money to get an experience not far from what's already available to them.

I'd wish the investment I put into my 3DS and its games would be respected if I wanted this 'New 3DS' (read: make it cheaper), especially considering that this explicitly isn't something 'new' in respect to what's currently on the market.

Greeeeaaat, I'll just be the only one here who's flipping their shit in excitement. Yes, it's a bad-ish move, no doubt. But the 3DS has been out for awhile now... Why is this so unreasonable? It can mean much greater things for the 3DS. We can get all sorts of impressive games on there. The higher viewing angle is gonna be fantastic. That nub... Could've been bigger. But I make due without the Circle Pad Pro, so, it's nice to have a small addition in there for the times I do want it.

Relax guys... They're not summoning Satan. It's just an overall upgrade for an already great hand held. I'm not gonna sit here in fear of what it *might* mean, and look forward to what it DOES mean. Bigger and better games.

Oh what the fuck!? I just finally got around to buying a 3DS! They're making a new one already? I'm gonna have to buy it if I want to play new games? The fuck!? Ugh. Hope it's like the gameboy color in that there aren't too many unique games for it.

Elvis Starburst:
Greeeeaaat, I'll just be the only one here who's flipping their shit in excitement. Yes, it's a bad-ish move, no doubt. But the 3DS has been out for awhile now... Why is this so unreasonable? It can mean much greater things for the 3DS. We can get all sorts of impressive games on there. The higher viewing angle is gonna be fantastic. That nub... Could've been bigger. But I make due without the Circle Pad Pro, so, it's nice to have a small addition in there for the times I do want it.

Relax guys... They're not summoning Satan. It's just an overall upgrade for an already great hand held. I'm not gonna sit here in fear of what it *might* mean, and look forward to what it DOES mean. Bigger and better games.

But the thing is, the 3ds HASNT been out for a while. It launched in feb/march of 2011, not even 4 years ago. If Nintendo wants to make a new gen handheld, fine, but to do it less than 4 years from their last one is not cool.

I felt this was gonna happen eventually. The 3DS as is was running out of steam processing wise. I mean fucking Pokemon was suffering framerate drops in game when more than 3 pokemon were on the screen. It personally doesn't bother me because I was planning on upgrading from my current basic 3DS to an XL anyway. But for those with XL. I hope they do get a discount of sorts.

xaszatm:

Kuredan:

All that being said, I'm glad for the inclusion of a "C" button. Dual sticks have always been the future of any console, so I'm glad the DS is getting on. What is up with those colours on the buttons though? The X was all right, but a red A button, green Y and yellow B... what madness is this!!! I mean I know it's not an Xbox, but a little uniformity wouldn't hurt. It's not a copyright thing, plenty of generic game pads have the Xbox layout.

It's the colors of the Japanese Super Famicom.

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Same colours as the UK Super Nintendo too.

All that space! Look at all that fucking space!
How hard is it to put a second fucking thumbstick there?
Seriously.
Would it mean you would have to sacrifice, like, the gyroscope? Oh noo.

GZGoten:
take a page from VITA Nintendo, even if the device is unpopular at least it's control scheme is well designed and adequately sized for human hands

I don't have large hands by any means, but my thumb can't sit well on the vitas right stick without leaning over the buttons, at rest its annoying and uncomfortable, during frantic gameplay it could easily cost me to press a button by mistake, the damn thing is too close. What shocks me more is the guy who owns who I played for a bit? BIG OLD HANDS, the kind that thought the chunky xbox controller was amazing. What the fuck is up with that eh?

Is it still remotely brickable? If so, not interested ever.

So it's pretty much the same as the current one but slightly bigger and got a tiny 2nd analog stick?

Even with the technical improvement, it's ain't worth a purchase for me even if I do want a 2nd analog stick!

Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and Nintendo makes a move that is highly anti-consumer. What else is new?

It's a shame that there are so many people with rose-tinted glasses who will eagerly buy a $200 console just for one or two first party Nintendo games. Businesses should be punished for these kind of moves, but since Nintendo has such a rabid fanbase, they get rewarded for it time and time again. If Microsoft did this kind of stuff, you know everyone on the internet would be up-in-arms about it.

But, as long as Nintendo does something, they're all fine and peachy. It's irritating, to say the least.

Chimpzy:

-Dragmire-:
Will it be priced above the $200 mark?

Well, the Japanese Nintendo Direct put the prices for these new systems at 16,000 and 18,800 yen respectively, which at current exchange rates comes up to about ~153 and ~180 dollars.

I'm guessing either the new versions will be priced slightly higher than the current ones, but not by much OR the new versions will be priced the same as the older models while the old ones get a price drop. My bet is on the latter as that seems like the smartest move for Nintendo.

That sounds good. A significant price increase probably wouldn't go over very well, especially if people think that they can wait 6 months for a large price drop.

wadark:

Elvis Starburst:
Greeeeaaat, I'll just be the only one here who's flipping their shit in excitement. Yes, it's a bad-ish move, no doubt. But the 3DS has been out for awhile now... Why is this so unreasonable? It can mean much greater things for the 3DS. We can get all sorts of impressive games on there. The higher viewing angle is gonna be fantastic. That nub... Could've been bigger. But I make due without the Circle Pad Pro, so, it's nice to have a small addition in there for the times I do want it.

Relax guys... They're not summoning Satan. It's just an overall upgrade for an already great hand held. I'm not gonna sit here in fear of what it *might* mean, and look forward to what it DOES mean. Bigger and better games.

But the thing is, the 3ds HASNT been out for a while. It launched in feb/march of 2011, not even 4 years ago. If Nintendo wants to make a new gen handheld, fine, but to do it less than 4 years from their last one is not cool.

That's the thing though. This isn't new gen. The most this upgrade is doing to improve the games is CPU speed on the system. That's all they're improving in terms of how the games work. The rest are things meant to fix the original 3DS' issues. The lack of a second circle pad, the viewing angles, slow downloads, etc. That's why they put this one out. It's not new gen. It's meant to improve THIS gen

I'm pretty fine with this really. What I really like is the better 3D angle and the swappable covers. Now I don't have to worry about special editions coming out after I bought a different special edition color.

Well shit, I was planning on buying a 3DS next week and now I don't know what to do. 2015 is still a long way away.

Elvis Starburst:

That's the thing though. This isn't new gen. The most this upgrade is doing to improve the games is CPU speed on the system. That's all they're improving in terms of how the games work. The rest are things meant to fix the original 3DS' issues. The lack of a second circle pad, the viewing angles, slow downloads, etc. That's why they put this one out. It's not new gen. It's meant to improve THIS gen

It's essentially the DSi; it's a slight improvement, but there's really nothing that warrants it being called an entirely new generation of handheld. The closest justifications are the new inputs, but even then it's pretty debatable. Nintendo says there'll be an exclusive or two like the Xenoblade port, but the DSi did too and that exclusives were actually pretty small in number.

RetroMenace:
Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and Nintendo makes a move that is highly anti-consumer. What else is new?

It's a shame that there are so many people with rose-tinted glasses who will eagerly buy a $200 console just for one or two first party Nintendo games. Businesses should be punished for these kind of moves, but since Nintendo has such a rabid fanbase, they get rewarded for it time and time again. If Microsoft did this kind of stuff, you know everyone on the internet would be up-in-arms about it.

But, as long as Nintendo does something, they're all fine and peachy. It's irritating, to say the least.

You know the OG 3DS family will still be supported, right?

This is kind of worrying to me. It hasn't even been a full year since I got my very own 3DS and now there's a new one? I don't really care about the bigger size and 3D angles and yadda-yadda-yadda. The only thing I care about is the games.

The reason for why I even wanted a 3DS in the first place was the games. I had a DS Lite back then, so I was a bit sad that I wouldn't get to play all those new and shiny 3DS games all the cool kids are talking about. Then I suddenly owned a 3DS and I could finally play all of them. I still haven't caught up, to be honest. And now, the cycle starts anew.

Maybe I'm being sceptical. Maybe Nintendo will keep releasing major 3DS even after the New 3DS releases. Or maybe it won't.

Also, the New 3DS? Come on. Apple's done this exact thing in the past, and people complained a lot about it. Next thing we know, the 3DS Air will be announced.

Elvis Starburst:

wadark:

Elvis Starburst:
Greeeeaaat, I'll just be the only one here who's flipping their shit in excitement. Yes, it's a bad-ish move, no doubt. But the 3DS has been out for awhile now... Why is this so unreasonable? It can mean much greater things for the 3DS. We can get all sorts of impressive games on there. The higher viewing angle is gonna be fantastic. That nub... Could've been bigger. But I make due without the Circle Pad Pro, so, it's nice to have a small addition in there for the times I do want it.

Relax guys... They're not summoning Satan. It's just an overall upgrade for an already great hand held. I'm not gonna sit here in fear of what it *might* mean, and look forward to what it DOES mean. Bigger and better games.

But the thing is, the 3ds HASNT been out for a while. It launched in feb/march of 2011, not even 4 years ago. If Nintendo wants to make a new gen handheld, fine, but to do it less than 4 years from their last one is not cool.

That's the thing though. This isn't new gen. The most this upgrade is doing to improve the games is CPU speed on the system. That's all they're improving in terms of how the games work. The rest are things meant to fix the original 3DS' issues. The lack of a second circle pad, the viewing angles, slow downloads, etc. That's why they put this one out. It's not new gen. It's meant to improve THIS gen

It's new gen insofar as at least one game is being produced specifically to work on this system and not the existing 3DSs. Should that turn out to be the only one, I will retract my complaint. However I seriously doubt that will be the case. I suppose time will ultimately tell, but for now I am looking upon this fairly skeptically and with a fear that the 3DSs I was just able to afford last Christmas for myself and my wife will be obsolete a year later. Not optimistic right now.

Alright, I'm with a lot of people on the whole against redesign thing, but I can look past most of it except for 2 major things:

1) Why the hell would you a) put the second analog stick so high up, and b) make it based of the GameCube controller's C-stick which was too tiny (seems to be keeping that trend) and was too damn sensitive. Seriously, try using the Ocarina with a C-stick and you will hit the wrong notes by accident a lot.

2) Is it region locked for physical cartridges still? If yes, then fuck off Nintendo. Seriously, region locking digital content I can understand to a degree, but region locking the physical item I, and many others, go out of their way to import is just backwards in this day and age. Especially since localization is still a major problem, that is, if the game ever even leaves Japan. Currently there are 20 Japan only games that I'd love to own, but definitely won't come over to the US or to Europe, and hell Europe and PAL regions are just barely getting Shin Megami Tensei IV, and they don't even get a physical release for it. If region locking was as damaging as people say, then Sony wouldn't have kept physical games region free for as long as they have. Hell, even Microsoft has embraced region free consoles now, because they also realize that people study abroad or go on deployment for the military.

3) The name...seriously? You really have learned nothing if that's the final name of the product. People are still confused over the whole Wii U thing apparently, and calling it the "New 3DS" is only gonna make things worse. >.>
Either fire the person in charge of naming, or make names for your systems that won't confuse people. Better hope you have good marketing, because I still see people confused between a 2DS and regular DS, as well as people still confused about the differences between a Wii and Wii U. And since it's been years since both systems launched, that shows someone in your marketing department has failed hard. I'm gonna blame Scott Moffitt for this.

AJ_Lethal:

RetroMenace:
Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and Nintendo makes a move that is highly anti-consumer. What else is new?

It's a shame that there are so many people with rose-tinted glasses who will eagerly buy a $200 console just for one or two first party Nintendo games. Businesses should be punished for these kind of moves, but since Nintendo has such a rabid fanbase, they get rewarded for it time and time again. If Microsoft did this kind of stuff, you know everyone on the internet would be up-in-arms about it.

But, as long as Nintendo does something, they're all fine and peachy. It's irritating, to say the least.

You know the OG 3DS family will still be supported, right?

Will I be able to play Xenoblade Chronicles on my 3DS XL?

Baresark:
I haven't been playing my 3DS lately, but I may want to invest in that new one, maybe I'll trade mine in ASAP for maximum trade-in credit. I have to be honest, Xenoblade Chronicles as an incredible game and I would buy the new one just for that (taking into account I can still play my current games). I wish we had an idea about price though. If they are going to want 300 bones for this or something, it's going to be annoying as I can literally buy a Wii U for less at this point.

When this comes out it will have been at least 4 years since the original released, which is about average for Nintendo to want you to buy a newer version of something you already own that is better in some capacity. If I read that right though, they are going to have a small and XL version? That just doesn't make sense, just release the XL version.

the reason why they have a small one still is that some people's pockets/purses aren't big enough to fit the XL one

WeepingAngels:

AJ_Lethal:

RetroMenace:
Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and Nintendo makes a move that is highly anti-consumer. What else is new?

It's a shame that there are so many people with rose-tinted glasses who will eagerly buy a $200 console just for one or two first party Nintendo games. Businesses should be punished for these kind of moves, but since Nintendo has such a rabid fanbase, they get rewarded for it time and time again. If Microsoft did this kind of stuff, you know everyone on the internet would be up-in-arms about it.

But, as long as Nintendo does something, they're all fine and peachy. It's irritating, to say the least.

You know the OG 3DS family will still be supported, right?

Will I be able to play Xenoblade Chronicles on my 3DS XL?

Is that a rhetorical question?

AJ_Lethal:

WeepingAngels:

AJ_Lethal:

You know the OG 3DS family will still be supported, right?

Will I be able to play Xenoblade Chronicles on my 3DS XL?

Is that a rhetorical question?

No. Will I be able to play Xenoblade Chronicles on my 3DS XL or will I need to buy this new "New 3DS"?

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