Police use pepper spray on a baby squirrel

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unless the squirrel had rabies, which i doubt it did, then ok but if not someone should mace his babies and see how he likes it.

Hero in a half shell:

dogstile:
Snippety

You're my hero! (I've always wanted to call people out on these dodgy news stories)

I also find it highly amusing considering the other thread on the front page about outrage stories (a thread started before this one)! Shame that people can't read.

I find the title of this thread to be amusing.

I'm guessing that seeing as everyone had gathered around the policeman and the squirrel and someone had bothered to video the whole thing that it was either a previously announced squirrel-abusing event or it was because the squirrel was rabid or something. Probably the latter.
Although if it was because the squirrel was rabid then the mace isnt going to help it much, it should be killed quickly and humanely instead of causing it a load of pain.

I'd rather a peppersprayed baby squirrel than a possibly rabid squirrel biting children and whatnot.

luckshot:

Rayne870:
Weird that the police responded, but there really is no better way for someone untrained in animal issues to deal with possibly rabid animals. What he needs is the proper equipment, something that animal control should have had. That said it used to be that suspected rabid animals were simply shot. Pepper spray just seems to be a waste of time in that respect.

have you ever tried to shoot a rabid baby squirrel? they are tough to hit

Have you ever tried to?

I'm sure Squirrels can Get Rabies, so anyone who's like "whaaa hes spraying it wth pppr sryaaa!!11!" it was probally a Rabid: And, did you know, Rabid animals CAN KILL YOU?!

Even if it wasn't Rabid, it could still bite people, and simply Biting something hard enough can Infect it and Give it Bacterial Poisoning, And I assume there was Children who hadn't taken any kind of shots/medicine/or something for that.

Wow. Fucking idiots. (I'm referring to the kids, and to everyone in this thread who didn't read the article.)

You do not fuck around with rabies.

In the absence of a BB gun or a trained animal control officer, pepper spraying it was the best option.

SiegeJack:
He should've sprayed the kids with the camera. Teach them to shut up for a second or two.
What did they want the officer ot do? Pick it up?

Seriously, those stupid kids must not know what the fuck rabies is. They should be glad they aren't in the hospital.

I may not win any awards for kindness to animals here, but I think the officer was in the right here.

That squirrel was NOT acting normally, even from the limited footage in the vid. A normal squirrel would NOT approach a group of yelling people like that. It was clearly rabid.

To everyone who says he overreacted, let me ask you, what was he SUPPOSED to do? Let the squirrel run into the crowd and bite someone, possibly giving them rabies?

This was the most sensible, least harmful way to resolve the situation for everyone involved. The squirrel is fine. The children are fine. He is fine. What more could you ask?

He isn't animal control. He doesn't have any special tools to deal with situations like this. All he had was his mace and his gun. And if he SHOT the squirrel, I think this would actually be an issue.

My question is this; why the HELL were all the students allowed to just stand there and watch this? There was a suspected RABID squirrel out there. Shouldn't it be the teacher's responsibility to escort the children inside, where there's no chance for them to get bitten? I think that's the bigger issue here.

Dastardly:

Saucycardog:

http://digitallife.today.com/_news/2011/04/08/6435540-officer-caught-on-video-pepper-spraying-baby-squirrel?gt1=43001

Maybe that squirrel was rabid. I don't know. But it seemed kinda cute when it hopped after the officer.

1. When a squirrel is approaching humans like that, it's a huge sign of rabies.

2. This was at a middle school. Middle school kids don't know what's going on, and they're be more likely to fuck with the squirrel and get bitten than elementary or high school kids.

3. The officer did not have gloves, leashes, or any other safe method of handling the animal and removing it. Rather than use a gun, or go get a shovel or some other blunt instrument, the officer sprayed the rabid animal with his best non-lethal option.

4. If you read the story, the squirrel was later released and was absolutely fine. The pepper spray is what allowed them to handle the animal without risk of bites. Rabies will straight up kill your ass.

5. Of course middle school kids are going to whine and plead. That is what they do. In that age group, ALL authority is wrong ALL of the time. It's cool to resist or disagree with anyone that has a badge, a uniform, or a title.

In short, there is absolutely nothing "wrong" going on in this video. Unfortunately, the police department may decide to throw this guy under the bus to make it look like they "fixed" a problem that wasn't there. I hope they stick to their guns, though.

Woah. Don't shoot the messanger man here. There are tons of other people in this thread you could use this quote on.

He did what he had to do!
If you read the report they state that 1. he was called there and therefore did what he was asked to do.
2. it was possibly rabid
3. the children are children. they have no idea that it could be threatening.
4. This publicity has only hurt the one officer more than it should have. He (possibly) saved the kids and the squirrel were not killed or harmed much! It was released back into the wilds afterwards...

I basicly summerized what everyone else has allready said... sorry about that...

edit: What annoys me about this "case" is that this has hurt the officer even when he did a good deed.
All this coverage is ruining the cop who was simply doing the appropriate... With all this coverage he is sure to be "dealt with" even if he didn't do anything!
out of curiosity i went to the Youtube comments and looked through them. The video on youtube has no association with an actual report so alot of people go to the video saying "he is just cruel" as they take it out of context. This sickens me...
A good man being made the devil out of people because of such a minor incident. The news are makeing this too big and hence hurt the officer now...

Why!?!? WHY!?!? What'd that cute little creature ever do to deserve such cruel justice? J-walk? Rob a liquor store?

That was just cruel :((

EDIT: Ah, read the article :P Now it makes more sense... but still s little harsh imo

It COULD have had rabies, sure, it COULD have just been used to people and liked to approach people for nuts/treats.

I don't mind them removing the squirrel from the area, but how the hell is pepper spray going to fix the situation? You also don't call POLICE to handle animal incidents, you call an animal control center.

The pepper spray was animal abuse, because even though the animal may be sick/insane, inflicting unnecessary pain on it doesn't solve the problem that its NEAR PEOPLE.

These animals need to be collected by experts and handled with care, not shot in the face and left to suffer and die a horrible painful death induced by poison/blindness/agony.

They may be vermin but they don't invade your home, so you have no business killing them for sport as far as I'm concerned.

*We don't maim/kill insane/sick people and we shouldn't treat animals any worse either. Not if we ever want to make any sort of progress as a people and society.

*Note I'm not a hippy/animal lover I just say killing for SPORT/FUN is wrong, not food/eating.

I also realize the offier may have just been following orders, but whoever sent him there didn't know what they were doing, police aren't supposed to handle animal incidents, especially of such a minor scale...

Yeah! Fuck that fucking squirrel! I hate those things! Mace em all I say! I'm fucking pumped AARGH!

michael87cn:
how the hell is pepper spray going to fix the situation? You also don't call POLICE to handle animal incidents, you call an animal control center.

You are correct in this point, but either the animal control centre hadn't yet arrived, or someone called the police, (since the article states that the squirrel was later caught and examined I think it was the former.) either way it ended up in the situation that a possibly dangerous animal was intent on getting up close to a police officer and a group of children.

michael87cn:

The pepper spray was animal abuse, because even though the animal may be sick/insane, inflicting unnecessary pain on it doesn't solve the problem that its NEAR PEOPLE.

These animals need to be collected by experts and handled with care, not shot in the face and left to suffer and die a horrible painful death induced by poison/blindness/agony.

The pepper spray did not do any damage to the squirrel, it just acted as a deterrant when it was getting too close that the officer and the childrens safety was compromised, and it worked perfectly as that. Also the squirrel was handled by experts afterwards and was absolutely fine.

bushwhacker2k:

dogstile:
Hey guys, protip

READ THE LINK

He got called out to handle it because they thought it was rabid and it was approaching children.

Now, I don't know about you guys, but i'd rather not risk kids or myself getting rabies, as it can kill you.

And before anyone says "its a baby, it can't bite anyone". They can. They have teeth. They can bite through skin.

I don't mean to say that your comments are incorrect or misguided... but do you really think he just sprayed that squirrel because it was a 'health hazard'? I really did NOT get that impression from watching this.

I know pepper spray is non-lethal, but it seems like it's the number 1 answer to most of a police officer's problems these days : /

I'm pretty sure he did. Considering from what I can make out, he stepped back twice from it and only sprayed it when it dashed at him.

It wasn't even like he was sadistic about it. Quick spray, cap on, turns around.

I'm glad he did, that thing could've killed someone

cWg | Konka:
I hope he gets shot by someone for this

You hope he gets shot? The squirrel was suspected of being rabid and since the officer didn't have the proper equipment for handling it, he was left with two options: Rendering it harmless or killing it outright. He chose to mace it after which it was transported away and released into the wild.
He did his job and saved the life of an animal that might otherwise have been killed by wary adults at the school.

So no; let's hope he receives a pat on the back rather than a bullet in the head.

and therefore saves kids from rabbies? Good Job :3

It's possibly rabid, he's possibly trying to deter it and pepper spray isn't going to kill it. I guess we should get bent out of shape when someone gets sprayed by a skunk and go on a hunt for the skunk right?

No really it's only fair if we're going to get mad at 'a creature' for using non-lethal self defense on another creature.

Honestly I would have liked to see the officer let it get closer so when someone got bit they would have screamed "you should have done something! Like pepper sprayed it!"

Regardless of the moral implications of that video, the level to which the officer was afraid of the baby squirrel made me snort coffee out of my nose.

Seriously? People need to spend more time around animals. Small infected rodents are best dealt with by way of boot heel, not rape repellent. Sometimes, when state code requires that an animal be terminated, it is best to humanly and quickly end its life, not torture it because you are afraid there is a small chance you will have to get a few (albeit painful) shots.

cWg | Konka:
I hope he gets shot by someone for this

Hasn't the squirrel suffered enough, now you want him shot?

I know he was a wild rabid animal but surely the pepper spray is the proportional response.

michael87cn:

The pepper spray was animal abuse, because even though the animal may be sick/insane, inflicting unnecessary pain on it doesn't solve the problem that its NEAR PEOPLE.

He used a pepper spray to repel, NOT KILL, the squirrel. And if he didn't use pepper spray, then he would have the option of stepping on it or blasting its brains out. Or the good ol' electric tasor. Yes, the good ol' taser....

Harry Mason:
Regardless of the moral implications of that video, the level to which the officer was afraid of the baby squirrel made me snort coffee out of my nose.

Seriously? People need to spend more time around animals. Small infected rodents are best dealt with by way of boot heel, not rape repellent. Sometimes, when state code requires that an animal be terminated, it is best to humanly and quickly end its life, not torture it because you are afraid there is a small chance you will have to get a few (albeit painful) shots.

I would be afraid of the squirrel if it was rabid. Also, it WASN'T tortured.

Trezu:

cWg | Konka:
I hope he gets shot by someone for this

i just dont get why no on did anything

It looked like there were other officers holding them back.

They were also just children.

They were also probably terrified.

I can't believe all this love for squirrels, they must be in league with them, especially since we all know squirrels are natures drug dealers.

Ultratwinkie:

Charli:
Squirrels are vermin I'm afraid no matter how cute and fluffy they appear. Police officer was doing his job and not letting it get near what sounds like a crowd of stupid teens.

Pepper spray was a silly thing to use however, He should have just scared it off with normal means. Or maybe he has a phobia. Who knows.

Stupid video. Everyone in it is dumb. Squirrel for getting near those people, Police officer for not using his brain and maybe shouting at it to scare it off. And the tweenies for squealing and breaking my ears.

Oh yes because we cant allow squirrels to get near teens, we all know they are a real threat to humanity's future! We also gotta get them away from marijuana or they could become gay flag burning terrorists![heavy sarcasm]

Its a baby squirrel, they come near people all the time. They don't know any better. Unless it is foaming at the mouth and performing a Monty Python-esque death rabbit scene, it ain't rabid. Don't like animals getting near you? You walk away. It's not like its a charging cheetah.

Like it or not, it's part of that man's job. And yes stray wildlife is to be removed from civilization rabid or not. Don't get snippy with me buster, you don't like a law, go off and change it. And yes most people will ignore a squirrel, but it's still there as a rule and it's up to that man weather he follows it or not.

I wouldn't personally. Really not in the mood for heavy sarcasm, I just said I found this whole predicament stupid. And I don't like people taking everything I say to uneeded extremities like that.

Denamic:

SteewpidZombie:
Actually Rabies is a Infection, not a disease.

...what?
By starting your post saying stupid things, you immediately make people take you less seriously.
It's an infectious viral disease.

There are also around a hundred or more variations and separate strains of rabies all around the world. Squirrels and other rodent type animals (Especially skunks and foxes) contract rabies more than any other animal. It's because of rodents that rabies get spread to house pets and stray dogs because they bite the animals when the dogs or cats attempt to kill or eat the smaller animal.

Point being?

direkiller:
a rodent dose not have the same immune system humans have(hence the reason they dont live as long) they can get diseases from anything

Biology was not your strong subject, was it?
I'm not even going to try.

A infection is something that is transmitted through a wound or direct contact such as saliva (Which is how you get Rabies). A disease is a illness or germ that usually infects people through the air or indirect contact. The difference is that diseases are also usually contracted from non-living organisms or by simply developing it naturally (Such as cancer). Rabies also kills faster than a Disease does, it takes around 14 days to spread through your entire body and cause death. Normally most diseases will eat away at a persons body or immune system for a lengthy period of time before someone will succumb to the effects.

Most diseases also cannot be cured because they infect certain parts of the body (Such as the liver or intestines) and adapt to become resistant to medicine. However a infection like Rabies does not affect a specific part of the body while adapting, it simply moves through the body infecting everything until it reaches the brain, then it moves and spreads into the rest of the body INFECTING everything. A disease will however have specific characteristics that can normally be tracked and treated to a certain degree, but Rabies cannot be treated at all once it has reached the brain. Not to mention the fact that Rabies travels through the bloodstream to infect the body, while a disease can have any number of ways to grow and spread.

The main difference overall is that Rabies infects and changes the way the cells in the body act, but a disease will normally grow and destroy the cells in a body. The term 'Infectious Viral Disease' is correct, however by claiming that referring to it as a 'Infection' is incorrect and then insulting me, you are wrong. While rabies is CLASSIFIED as a disease, it is spread as a infection and that is also what it literally is (You cannot contract rabies from the air or by touching a piece of wood that a infected animal chewed a week prior, thus it is referred to as a infection for needing direct viral contact with your blood or body such as saliva). I am not saying you are wrong in the way you phrased it, but the fact that you ignorantly shoved aside other opinions or statements is a reason that I need to explain my own side.

Also a side note is that a Disease cannot normally be treated through medicine in a short period of time once it has been contracted, but Rabies as an infection can be immediately treated if it hasn't reached the brain or any critical organs in the body. And my whole point to begin with when I first replied to your statement, was how you were talking about rodents getting diseases from humans, but I was just stating that because it is a infection and that rodents most commonly have it, that they are the ones who actually spread it to humans and animals and not the other way around.

One Hit Noob:

Harry Mason:
Regardless of the moral implications of that video, the level to which the officer was afraid of the baby squirrel made me snort coffee out of my nose.

Seriously? People need to spend more time around animals. Small infected rodents are best dealt with by way of boot heel, not rape repellent. Sometimes, when state code requires that an animal be terminated, it is best to humanly and quickly end its life, not torture it because you are afraid there is a small chance you will have to get a few (albeit painful) shots.

I would be afraid of the squirrel if it was rabid. Also, it WASN'T tortured.

Have you ever seen a baby squirrel up close? You would have to sit and lovingly bring its mouth up to some small flap of skin on your body and coo encouragement at it for it to be successful in getting its teeth into your skin. Unless you are planning on assaulting it with your face on the ground, your mighty pants will save you from the infant rodent.

Have you ever been hit by pepper spray? My friend thought it would be funny to test it out on me. It is torture. It's not like being snapped my a towel. It's not momentary unpleasantness that quickly dissipates. It stays the fuck with you.

Also, keep in mind that this was pepper spray designed to repel HUMANS. Imagine of someone created a noxious chemical designed to pacify DRAGONS and then sprayed it in your face!

I worked on a farm for five years and was bitten by a rabid coyote. Getting rabies does not, by any far stretch of the imagination, equate death. It means a series of painful shots over a long period of time. Not fun, but not that scary.

EDIT: OK, to be more specific, contracting the rabies VIRUS wont kill you. If you get it treated immediately, you'll be hunky dory. If you aren't aware that you have it and it progresses to full on rabies, then you're screwed. Even survivors sustain permanent neurological damage. It's kind of like cancer. Get it fixed super early, and you'll be OK.

Harry Mason:

One Hit Noob:

Harry Mason:
Regardless of the moral implications of that video, the level to which the officer was afraid of the baby squirrel made me snort coffee out of my nose.

Seriously? People need to spend more time around animals. Small infected rodents are best dealt with by way of boot heel, not rape repellent. Sometimes, when state code requires that an animal be terminated, it is best to humanly and quickly end its life, not torture it because you are afraid there is a small chance you will have to get a few (albeit painful) shots.

I would be afraid of the squirrel if it was rabid. Also, it WASN'T tortured.

Have you ever seen a baby squirrel up close? You would have to sit and lovingly bring its mouth up to some small flap of skin on your body and coo encouragement at it for it to be successful in getting its teeth into your skin. Unless you are planning on assaulting it with your face on the ground, your mighty pants will save you from the infant rodent.

Have you ever been hit by pepper spray? My friend thought it would be funny to test it out on me. It is torture. It's not like being snapped my a towel. It's not momentary unpleasantness that quickly dissipates. It stays the fuck with you.

Also, keep in mind that this was pepper spray designed to repel HUMANS. Imagine of someone created a noxious chemical designed to pacify DRAGONS and then sprayed it in your face!

I worked on a farm for five years and was bitten by a rabid coyote. Getting rabies does not, by any far stretch of the imagination, equate death. It means a series of painful shots over a long period of time. Not fun, but not that scary.

It's called Bear mace and it will melt your face off. Second, its a squirrel not a human being, they typically have rabies or are treated as such in the US and they do not take lightly to them approaching children. What you probably won't hear is how it was caught taken to a lab tested for rabies and then released.

Well he tried bless him. Not the best equipped person for dealing with a possibly dangerous Infectious animal.

Tsaba:

It's called Bear mace and it will melt your face off. Second, its a squirrel not a human being, they typically have rabies or are treated as such in the US and they do not take lightly to them approaching children. What you probably won't hear is how it was caught taken to a lab tested for rabies and then released.

Ugh. Bear mace. *Shudder*

Are you saying that this baby squirrel was released?

At least in my state, there is a strict "euthanize absolutely everything every time" policy. I once had a heated argument with animal control because they were required to terminate a terrified bat because it was taking refuge in a basketball gym. They stated that they knew the bat was no harm, but code required euthanasia on the spot. I'd relocated dozens of bats, and had a special soft spot for them, so I was suitably displeased.

If there is a US state that allows potentially rabid, non-canine or feline animals to be tested and released, I'd like to know where it is.

EllEzDee:
Only in America...

We can't really comment grey squirrels are classified as vermin in the UK we cull thousands every year to keep the red population from going extinct. You know it's actually illegal to release them if caught?

ZOMG ITS A BABY SQUIRREL!!!!!!

CALL THE ARMED RESPONSE UNIT!

1.if it was rabid why didnt they put the fucking kids inside.
2.like many said...why call the cops? why a regular cop? why not animal patrol?
and 3,
When I was that age our school caretaker(Janitor for my U.S. Escapists) regularly dealt with wild dogs,cats,horses and one time a stray camel(I kid you not it ran away from a circus and picked our Primary schools garden for a lunch time snack!),if itd been him,rabies or not,hed have put on his wellies,overalls and upturned a fucking empty bin over the poor little bastard,or borrowed a cage from one of our school rodent pets and put it over it until we could decide whether it needed a vet,an animal warden etc.
American cops are turning out to be right cunts nowadays,glad i put off my plan to go live with you guys.that shit sucks.

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