Dad uses Facebook to teach daughter a lesson.

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When exactly did viewing a post somebody put on a public website become an invasion of privacy? Could somebody remind me?

He seems like a huge asshole.

*backflips into outer space*

Are you kidding? He shot a lap top he bought, and to claim that he lost count is a straight up lie - he actually counted out the bullets as he shot. I think he's a great example of an American dad - fucker pulled himself through life, got himself into a tech-related profession, and is trying to teach his daughter to have a work ethic. She probably does less than I do, and my parents were hippies. She disrespected her parents hugely, and it makes perfect sense to confiscate her laptop after that. If he chooses to do so with more...eh, flair? than you would, so be it.

Kvaedi:

DRes82:

Ramzal:

Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual.

You're calling someone else deluded after making a statement like that? The people that created SOPA and PIPA and ACTA agree with you, anyways.

Let the redneck shoot his daughter's computer. I'm terrified of how the internet will affect my children. If they fuck up, I'll discipline them in my own way. Maybe I'll run their computers through a compactor or chainsaw them in half. I'll be sure and video tape it so I can laugh at all the whiny socialists who want to take away my rights to chainsaws or garbage compactors because I used them to destroy a computer.

I wouldn't call him a redneck; a man who works at a clinic, has a cleaning lady, and can afford to shoot expensive laptops is far from being a redneck. There are plenty of people living here in Seattle that are much closer to being rednecks than him.

Hey, if rednecks are guys who work in IT after pulling themselves through their education by working their asses off, we need more rednecks in this country.

Ramzal:
And at worse, it's childish? Why don't we fire a nuclear weapon into an unpopulated area to show North Korea that we aren't accepting their terms of testing nuclear weapons.

Holy false comparison batman.
You're really using a NUKE as an example?
It's a god damn handgun.

Midgeamoo:

The Last Parade:

when I get angry I ..... vent, people who damage things because they're angry are primitives

I really do think you get pretentious high horse comment of the month for this one.
Calling a man who you don't know a primitive over a short video, that's pretty presumptuous.

awh I won an award *eyes sparkling*

also, if someone is angry and through that anger they destroy things, not only destroying it but using such a compensatory measure as a fire-arm... that's... well I'd feel a lot safer next door to the chap knowing his fire-arm was confiscated

I found it pretty amusing. He didn't go over board (that is unless you count shooting a laptop overboard), not in my opinion anyway. Everyone who knows her has probably seen that video and had a good laugh about it too, I think that's part of the punishment. Who cares if he used a gun?

Xanthious:

Even if it would have happened by far more nefarious means the father would still be free of any wrong doing. As long as she is living under her parents roof and under the age of 18 she neither deserves nor is entitled to the smallest bit of privacy as far as her parents are concerned. As the parents of a minor they have a full pass to find out any information they like about her life by any means they deem necessary.

And some wonder why kids get messed up!
Even a minor needs privacy. But I guess fascist parents are the new black.

I personally think he's completely right to do it, his daughter is a spoiled bitch, and acting like one, so he responded by taking away something he GAVE her and upgraded for her, which she then used to attack him and other people responsible for giving her a damn comfy life.

When I was young I worked for my shit. Never had a cell phone til I was able to afford one of my own payed for by me, I payed for my own internet connection, I bought all my own games, except one or two at christmas or a birthday if I was lucky, bought my own PC, sold it for money to put towards building a new one later on... essencially, yeah when I see all these kids with all this shit handed to them and how they bitch about life being hard... I only wish other parents had the balls to do what this guy did.

I personally think he's completely right to do it, his daughter is a spoiled bitch, and acting like one, so he responded by taking away something he GAVE her and upgraded for her, which she then used to attack him and other people responsible for giving her a damn comfy life.

When I was young I worked for my shit. Never had a cell phone til I was able to afford one of my own payed for by me, I payed for my own internet connection, I bought all my own games, except one or two at christmas or a birthday if I was lucky, bought my own PC, sold it for money to put towards building a new one later on... essencially, yeah when I see all these kids with all this shit handed to them and how they bitch about life being hard... I only wish other parents had the balls to do what this guy did.

Ramzal:
[quote="usmarine4160" post="18.348003.13852802"]
Edit: Besides, the law states that American's have the right to bare arms.

Yes indeed. Americans can roll their sleeves up any time they like.

(LOL. Sorry! Couldn't resist! :)

I think that his daughter sounds like an entitled twit, but he also only need look in the mirror to see how she got that way. Also, it is rather childish to semi-publicly humiliate your own offspring, instead of, you know, sitting down and talking with them, so this idiot hillbilly has that going for him too. Plus the whole wasting a laptop with a gun thing is pretty Goddamn foolish. What happened to fucking reason?

Frankly, I think that I find it more disturbing that people are cheer-leading for this knobend almost unanimously. Even reasonable friends on Facebook were all for this sort of stuff. How spoiled have we let our kids get that this is seen as being a positive reaction to your kid acting like a jackass? Honestly.

I can't help but feel that this video is a fake or something...

For some reason I thought he would have used a bigger gun but thats besides the point. Listening to the chores she has to do, it really isn't much of an ask to make your bed and sweep some floors, I do more than that and in total take me roughly 30 minutes, it does sound like she is a bit of a stereotypical 'bratty teen' though.

Oh look, thousands of people fighting over who can be the most self-righteous pseudo-intellectual hipster.

"Guns are always bad!"

"She sounds like she's under stress!"

Digitaldreamer7:
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Kashrlyyk:

Then they wouldn't be rights, they're be privileges, and that means it's a hell of a lot easier for the government to suppress people. This is the exact opposite of what James Madison wanted.

The second amendment was written at a time when 6 bullets per MINUTE was a fast shooter! I am convinced that it would have never been added if at that time modern weapons were around.

Well, you are wrong. It was written to give the people a means to defend itself from a tyrannical government if ever needed. Government should fear the people, not the other way around.
....

You mean like some people in Syria do defend themselves against a tyrannical government? How does that work out? Oh, it doesn't? Why is that?

Or how about Libya? Do you think the "people" would have won against the "tyrannical government" without the help of outside nations sending BOMBERS? NO, they would get slaughtered like the people in Syria.

To think in modern days that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government with a stupid machine gun and overthrow it when that government has tanks, bombers, aircraft carriers, nuclear bombs, missiles, artillery etc. is just RETARDED! Or to quote Zbigniew Brzezinski:

"I once put it rather pungently, and I was flattered that the British Foreign Secretary repeated this, as follows: ... namely, in early times, it was easier to control a million people, literally it was easier to control a million people than physically to kill a million people. Today, it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than to control a million people. It is easier to kill than to control...."

Kashrlyyk:

Digitaldreamer7:
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Kashrlyyk:
The second amendment was written at a time when 6 bullets per MINUTE was a fast shooter! I am convinced that it would have never been added if at that time modern weapons were around.

Well, you are wrong. It was written to give the people a means to defend itself from a tyrannical government if ever needed. Government should fear the people, not the other way around.
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You mean like some people in Syria do defend themselves against a tyrannical government? How does that work out? Oh, it doesn't? Why is that?

Or how about Libya? Do you think the "people" would have won against the "tyrannical government" without the help of outside nations sending BOMBERS? NO, they would get slaughtered like the people in Syria.

To think in modern days that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government with a stupid machine gun and overthrow it when that government has tanks, bombers, aircraft carriers, nuclear bombs, missiles, artillery etc. is just RETARDED! Or to quote Zbigniew Brzezinski:

"I once put it rather pungently, and I was flattered that the British Foreign Secretary repeated this, as follows: ... namely, in early times, it was easier to control a million people, literally it was easier to control a million people than physically to kill a million people. Today, it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than to control a million people. It is easier to kill than to control...."

I didn't say it applied to TODAY's situation HURR DURRR. I said it was CREATED for that reason. I wasn't debating, discussing, or advocating it's relevancy in this day and age.

Some extreme parenting, not much else.
Seems like there was an attempt to talk to her and it just wasn't getting through.
After habitual disrespect of that caliber my parents would've probably taken my computer and put it in a log splitter. He didn't touch her and he bought the laptop so I don't see a problem. Other than the fact he wasted expensive ammo on a laptop.

Apollo45:

RedBird:

I'm sorry, every teen needs the dont be a spoiled brat lesson? So All teens are being assosciated with that spoilt little bitch?
A) Good parenting doesn't involve guns
B) Every teen is not an entitled little shit
C) You can't make a general statement like that and expect someone not to disagree.

I will however admit most teens do, but theres at least 50 or 40% of teens who arent

Meh, my dad taught me at a very young age how to use firearms. We go hunting and shooting together quite a bit, and it's one of the primary ways we've bonded over the years. He's an engineer and I'm a writer, he tends to be extremely logical and calm where I'm only just now starting to grow into that side of me. If it weren't for the hunting and shooting, I can imagine there would be quite a bit more tension between me and him.

So, yes, good parenting can involve guns.

That wasn't my main point, but, to adress that, It seems slightly worrying your dad had you killing animals from a young age. I don't want to turn this into a personal thing, But good parents don't give their kids guns, point them at a small woodland creature and say 'go nuts.'

mellemhund:
And some wonder why kids get messed up!
Even a minor needs privacy. But I guess fascist parents are the new black.

Her parents did not invade her privacy, she made a mistake when setting who could see the post (and left the family dog on the list).

When her parents went to add a photo to the dogs page it was the only post on its wall.

Is it legal to discharge a firearm in that area? Take the laptop to the range guy and blow holes through it there.

TechNoFear:

mellemhund:
And some wonder why kids get messed up!
Even a minor needs privacy. But I guess fascist parents are the new black.

Her parents did not invade her privacy, she made a mistake when setting who could see the post (and left the family dog on the list).

When her parents went to add a photo to the dogs page it was the only post on its wall.

Maybe ready the context before you comment. Guy I quoted claimed minors shouldn't have any right to privacy, which imo is completely looney.

I agree with what he did, though I probably would of just sold the laptop, it makes the point and gives you a net profit.

DRes82:

Ramzal:

Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual.

You're calling someone else deluded after making a statement like that? The people that created SOPA and PIPA and ACTA agree with you, anyways.

Let the redneck shoot his daughter's computer. I'm terrified of how the internet will affect my children. If they fuck up, I'll discipline them in my own way. Maybe I'll run their computers through a compactor or chainsaw them in half. I'll be sure and video tape it so I can laugh at all the whiny socialists who want to take away my rights to chainsaws or garbage compactors because I used them to destroy a computer.

This word i dont think you know what it means...

Hello im a socialist. Im also british. Id like to thank you for reinforcing the redneck steriotype that whenever they dont like something the words "COMMUNIST SOCIALIST!" can be used in leu of any real label to attack random shit that has nothing to do with it. If i had 1 wish id wish everyone in america knew what communism and socialism are. I mean CMON i support the freedom to bear arms and the freedom to punish your kids within reason but youre hardly helping by playing to the redneck steriotype "DEM COMMIES/SOCIALISTS WANT TAKE MY GUNS!" which just helps their arguement.

Seriously wikipedia it. Im tired of my fucking views used as a place holder for "bad" when most of the time it has nothing to do with the arguement. Or even the people youre trying to attack! This irks me no end. Imagine if whenever you wanted to attack a group of nameless people you used "despotist". Youd sound idiotic. And you sound idiotic attacking a group that has nothing to do with taking away the right to bear arms. Sorry ive targetting you but cmon people dont use words that you dont know the meaning to.

That said i think nothing he did infringed any basic freedoms of the girl. He payed for the latptop. Sure in the spirit of "giving" its hers but he worked his ass off to buy it, upgrade it, make her pretty life as perfect as possible and she just spits in his face. If someone disrespected something i worked had to give them i wouldnt give it to them. Or id take it away. He viewed a public facebook post that the daughter had posted to a public forum. No infringement there. Privacy infringement is reading emails.

He used a TOOL to destroy the laptop. I dont LIKE guns. I think it should be llegal to own one but it should be very well regulated. But at the same time this man did nothing to make me want to take away his gun. he used it calmly, counted his bullets, made sure to aim away from open space where it might hit someone behind the target, and made sure to shoot in an empty field. Perfect gun responsiblity. He used a tool. A gun is a tool. And while tools are dangerous and need to be handled VERY carefully he didnt abuse or misuse the tool at all.

TorqueConverter:
Is it legal to discharge a firearm in that area? Take the laptop to the range guy and blow holes through it there.

His home, his property, his gun, and since he probably bought the laptop, again, his property. Perfectly legal where he's from. He seems to know how to use the gun in a legal manner. it's been viewed on YouTube millions of times, if it was illegal he would've been arrested by now.

RedBird:

Vuliev:
While I don't condone unloading an entire 9mm clip into a laptop, his exposal and rebuttal is perfectly fine. Every teen needs to have the "don't be a spoiled brat" lesson, and this way is particularly effective.

I would have snapped the laptop over my knee on camera instead.

EDIT: Now that I think rationally about it, I would have confronted my daughter, than snapped the laptop over my knee in front of her. No YouTube.

I'm sorry, every teen needs the dont be a spoiled brat lesson? So All teens are being assosciated with that spoilt little bitch?
A) Good parenting doesn't involve guns
B) Every teen is not an entitled little shit
C) You can't make a general statement like that and expect someone not to disagree.

I will however admit most teens do, but theres at least 50 or 40% of teens who arent

Well, I do think you're reading a bit into my statement. I wasn't trying to say that every teen is like that little bitch at some point--because that's certainly not the case--but every teen does need to understand that they can't be a self-entitled twat for the rest of their life.

You achieve that lesson by either
a) good parenting (working that lesson into your children slowly from the time they're born, so that they come to their own understanding as to why they shouldn't be a twat)
b) letting things get out of hand, then bringing down the "anti-twat hammer" (as in this case.)

(b) is obviously the bad option, as it can lead to other issues, but given the circumstances it's rather effective for its purpose and time constraints. Still, it's better than nothing and letting the child become a social monster that is incapable of properly functioning among both peers and elders.

(I also realize this is three days past, but I've had poor internet service for a few days, and I didn't want to leave you with the wrong impression.)

Hey, he bought the laptop therefore its his. Even if he did give it to his daughter shes a minor therefor the laptop is still his.

Hopefully she learned her lesson. She didn't the first time he warned her.

I like how emotional damage is ok nowadays. If he would've taken off his belt and whipped her he would've been the scourge of the internet, but instead, telling the internet that she is a stuck up bitch and humiliating her for everyone to see without her being able to defend herself OVER A MUTHA --CKING FACEBOOK POST is encouraged with much gusto.

This is a generational problem, of old idiot americans not being able to adapt to modern norms. What kind of kid is supposed to do those ridiculous chores? She isn't a goddam farmhand or a maid.

F this country.

I liked everything up until he shoots the laptop. What he should have done was donated it to a poor family who would really appreciate it.

Ramzal:

usmarine4160:
Actually it is a right in America and that's not going to be changed so you're wrong ;)

Though I agree it was wrong to use a .45 like I said in the other thread. A 12 gauge with buckshot would've been about 20% cooler

Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual. When someone boycotts someone's funeral, they should be sued for disturbing the peace and harassment, when someone unloads an entire clip into a computer for the sake of being angry they should lose their right to use a firearm due to displaying little to no discipline with the tool.

I'm not wrong since our rights have been violated anyway, as our right to a fair trial when under arrest has been revoked anyway. (Which I do no see any positive outcome from and I do not support.) A gun is not a plaything or a toy. I'm not sure if you a trolling or you are honestly that deluded.

Edit: Besides, the law states that American's have the right to bare arms. Not to discharge them under any circumstance.

I completely disagree. It is his right to use a gun as he wills on his own property. He is not hurting any other invdividual, and he owns the laptop. And in addition, suing for disturbing the peace? I don't like what Westboro Baptist Church does anymore than others but I will completely support their right to do so. The US was formed by people looking to escape persecution for their beliefs. If we start attacking WBC just because we don't like their ideas, where does it end?

TorqueConverter:
Is it legal to discharge a firearm in that area? Take the laptop to the range guy and blow holes through it there.

Not if he's outside the city limits. He's from North Carolina (same as me) and given where he is it's not that hard to be outside the city limits. Look at the background there's hardly anything around plus it was on the ground not suspended in the air.

JWAN:
Hey, he bought the laptop therefore its his. Even if he did give it to his daughter shes a minor therefor the laptop is still his.

Hopefully she learned her lesson. She didn't the first time he warned her.

Her lesson that venting is not something she's allowed to do? What a nice lesson that is. Can't ever voice dissent to friends, no that's a mortal sin.

RedBird:

Apollo45:

Meh, my dad taught me at a very young age how to use firearms. We go hunting and shooting together quite a bit, and it's one of the primary ways we've bonded over the years. He's an engineer and I'm a writer, he tends to be extremely logical and calm where I'm only just now starting to grow into that side of me. If it weren't for the hunting and shooting, I can imagine there would be quite a bit more tension between me and him.

So, yes, good parenting can involve guns.

That wasn't my main point, but, to adress that, It seems slightly worrying your dad had you killing animals from a young age. I don't want to turn this into a personal thing, But good parents don't give their kids guns, point them at a small woodland creature and say 'go nuts.'

Well, I know that wasn't your main point, but for me it was important to address. Like you said, you can't make a general statement and expect no one to disagree.

At any rate, that's not at all how it happened. I started out with BB guns when I was about 6. Before I could even hold the gun my dad drilled safety into me, and whenever I made a mistake with it - even though a BBgun would barely break the skin, much less kill someone - he'd make sure I both knew I made the mistake and not to make it again. I can't say he was nice about it, but that's not something you can be nice with. I didn't pick up an actual gun until years later, after I had gone out to a few ranges with him and watched him use an actual gun. And I wasn't pointing my gun at small woodland creatures until I was intimately familiar with the weapons and had gone through the required hunter's safety course in order to get my license. That didn't happen until I was in middle school.

Erm... I'm going to spoiler the rest of this. I typed it out, but going back over it it may just spark a debate on gun laws and whatnot. Still, I spent a bit of time on it, and I think it might give a bit of an idea of what the shooting world is like to those who haven't experienced it, which I feel is important. However, if you don't want to get into a debate on it, or don't want to read it, then ignore the spoiler and move along.

Fishyash:
...oh dear.

Shame on the girl to, instead of attempting to maybe try and express this issue over facebook, actually try and talk it out face to face. I think the father should have given her another chance though to talk things out, and... using a gun? Although he didn't exactly do it out of blind rage or something, it's definately not my style... and seems like a waste of a perfectly good laptop and I guess it's misuse of the gun. If it were me, I would probably put it up on ebay, and tell her to buy a new one.

Also... it kinda bugs me that people complain about uncompensated house chores in general. I am only assuming stuff, because who knows, either the father or the daughter is exaggerating how few/many chores she has to do. However, chores always fit the need of the environment. Generally the more space there is to manage, the more chores are needed to be done. The place isn't going to manage itself, and if you have two working parents, you need to help make sure that everything is in order.

If you have to spend over an hour doing chores every day of the week, I would personally reward my son/daughter for it, but as I said, it depends on how much work needs to be done to keep the house under working order.

TL;DR Kids need to stop complaining about chores, and using a gun is unnecessary overkill.

well he can sell it as slightly used on ebay (sorry you are the first post with ebay actualy mentioned)

I am resisting facepalm jokes for the moment.

I call this one overkill, I mean kids complain all the time to their friends, kids curse. It just happens, but why go overkill and destroy the tools used to complain? If everyone did that there wouldn't be a teenager with a cell-phone, or vocal chords since if you take away electronic means to complain we will just do in in person.

Terrible judgement on his part, blah blah blah. We all know how this post is going to be don't we? Fortunately he is in the older generation, and that generation will die out eventually, just the way things work.

Ramzal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kl1ujzRidmU

I have already posted about this. So I will just take what I posted and put it here:

What is wrong with you people? This man just put 9 rounds into a stationary object because he was angry. Let me repeat myself; This man just unloaded a -gun- into a computer because he was angry. He has every right to punish his daughter, but this shows complete and total lack of control and discipline over himself by using a firearm to teach a lesson.

He lost count in how many bullets fired at that, because of his anger! And people support this? A gun is not a toy, it's a tool. A last resort and used to protect, not destroy. I've seen comments on this saying "An all American dad!" Are you people crazy or just plan stupid? Comments like that is exactly why our country is looked down on as gun tooting/war hungry morons! His entire point goes out the window when he shows how childish (Retaliating to her internet post--it's an internet post for crying out loud) with the use of a gun.

And people say the young are stupid.

I once believed that a gun should be a right, however after seeing how he used his firearm and people's encouragement of his action, I now believe that having a gun should be treated as a privilege instead of a right. I am an American, and I DO NOT agree with this man's methods of use of a firearm, nor raising a child.

Edit: However, chores are fine. Go chores.

Actually, he didn't lose count, he didn't know the number of bullets he had in the gun.
And it isn't childish, it's HUMILIATING.

And this guy is 100% in the right. You need to quit whining about "gun control" because gun control isn't an issue in this video. He uses a .45 caliber pistol as a TOOL to dramatically destroy the laptop, which in turn is a method for punishing his daughter. He does not use the gun in an unsafe manner, nor does he fire it recklessly. He stands and fires in a very controlled manner.

I think that you are REALLY upset over his disciplinary choices, but chose instead to wrap up your largely unquantifiable feelings in a concrete issue. Your failure to have an actual point makes you look all the more foolish.

Just say "I feel that this man's actions in disciplining and punishing his daughter were too extreme, and that they are reprehensible" and be done with it.

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