Realitycrash:

Super Six One:

RagTagBand:
Marijuana should be legal in any country that considers Alcohol to be safe for legal consumption, I've yet to see a single decent argument against weed that wouldn't also criminalise things that are currently perfectly legal and enjoyed by many.

If the dissenters in this thread are any measure to go by, I don't think i'll be seeing that "Decent argument" anytime soon.

And that isn't a decent for making it legal either, Why would allowing everyone over the age of say 18(same as alcohol) buy this drug and smoke it freely do anything but create the exact same problem that alcohol can bring?

Even if we agree that alcohol and marijuana affect the mind in the same way (which it doesn't, since marijuana have been proven to do less damage than alcohol), it's a matter of consistency. Why should A be illegal and B legal, if they have the same effect? Why should we NOT allow people to fuck themselves up, as long as they don't harm anyone else and the fucked-upness is only very slightly damaging unless abused (i.e both alcohol and pot)?
Isn't this what "freedom" and all that bull the US seem to spit out all the time is all about?

A should be illegal until we sort out problems B already has. That's what i'm trying to say, i'm not against the drug itself it more the implications of allowing it to be given to people on mass. Alot of people don't "mean" to harm other people when drunk, but they do. If you allow everyone to get fucked up on it like people do with alcohol, all you are doing is making the same problem with another substance.

Great, so the government will make a monopoly on selling it and make prices ridiculously high and make more money for politicians and government workers who continue to raise prices on everything and take things away yet put nothing back in the community.

Super Six One:

Realitycrash:

Super Six One:

And that isn't a decent for making it legal either, Why would allowing everyone over the age of say 18(same as alcohol) buy this drug and smoke it freely do anything but create the exact same problem that alcohol can bring?

Even if we agree that alcohol and marijuana affect the mind in the same way (which it doesn't, since marijuana have been proven to do less damage than alcohol), it's a matter of consistency. Why should A be illegal and B legal, if they have the same effect? Why should we NOT allow people to fuck themselves up, as long as they don't harm anyone else and the fucked-upness is only very slightly damaging unless abused (i.e both alcohol and pot)?
Isn't this what "freedom" and all that bull the US seem to spit out all the time is all about?

A should be illegal until we sort out problems B already has. That's what i'm trying to say, i'm not against the drug itself it more the implications of allowing it to be given to people on mass. Alot of people don't "mean" to harm other people when drunk, but they do. If you allow everyone to get fucked up on it like people do with alcohol, all you are doing is making the same problem with another substance.

We will never sort out the problems B already have, and that still doesn't answer why people shouldn't have the right to use it. Most likely, those that choose to use A if it is legalized are the same people that would have chosen B otherwise, and A+B combined doesn't seem to make people any more violent or reckless (not to mention that Marijuana haven't proven to make people violent, actually more the opposite).
What few people that would get hooked (and I mean really hooked) on B, that today wouldn't be hooked A, are a negligible sacrifice compared to the potential gains society will have from legalisation (tax-income, less money to crime-syndicates, frees up tasks for the police to deal with, etc).

Now, let me just add that I hate Marijuana. I really think it's boring. I just don't see why we shouldn't allow it, since we allow booze and cigarettes.

Oh, and I will not take anybody seriously who is against legalizing pot yet is okay with alcohol being legal since its so much worse. Seriously, screw your heads on straight please.

Huh, I will continue to get crucified for disrespecting the holy plant wont I. Oh well, here it goes anyway.

Yopaz:
I did not say it was NOT addicting. Not once. I said that rehab was useless. I said it's not as harmful as it is made out to be. I said it's less harmful, than chemicals we are being fed without knowing about it. I said that the government doesn't make something illegal out of concern of us. So yeah, when you ignore what I say and bold out one part of it that proves your point you do make a good point.

Ok, lets look back at some other things of your post then:

believe what you're being told
Of course I am going to do what I am told. This has been pounded into me since day one. By my Parents, by D.A.R.E. officers, by Teachers, everyone I know.

It can be grown almost anywhere
Maybe we should give farmers more incentive to grow better crops, like corn and wheat. This is the same argument I have used to try and stop poppy-opium production in Afganistan.

Also are you also going to bust people who have permanent pains or are addicted to nasal spray? People who use medications? People who got permanent diseases? If you read my post again you will see that I didn't ever say I want it legalized. I said that keeping it illegal serves no-one. It just makes it impossible to control. Making it more dangerous.

1. Is said medication being taken properly, ie, no overdoses or irresponcible use. This is a problem we had at my school recently. Some kids tried to mix OTC medication with cough syrup in an attempt to get high. If failed miserablly and they were hospitlized. Now, obviously, it would be bad if they died, but my first thought? "Morons."
2. There are other drugs that have been regulated by the FDA for most illnesses.
3. Does it matter if there are "worse things" in what we need for our daily lives? Marijuana is something we DO NOT NEED! and will NEVER need.

skatch13:

I hope you never ever become a police officer. At least not without a severe amount of education and behavioral readjustment. Of course though law enforcement in this country would hire you in a minute for your indoctrined view points. They will keep pumping you full of righteous ignorance, and pro establishment propaganda, and then we shall see you one day on a you tube video with a tazer pumping volts through some "diseased" marijuana fiend.

"KNOW YOUR DOPE FIEND. YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT! You will not be able to see his eyes because of the Tea-Shades, but his knuckles will be white from inner tension and his pants will be crusted with semen from constantly jacking off when he can't find a rape victim. He will stagger and babble when questioned. He will not respect your badge. The Dope Fiend fears nothing. He will attack, for no reason, with every weapon at his command-including yours. BEWARE. Any officer apprehending a suspected marijuana addict should use all necessary force immediately. One stitch in time (on him) will usually save nine on you. Good luck.
-The Chief"

Did you not read what I have been saying. The man smoking it after buying it? "He needs rehab." The guy selling it? "He need jailtime." The guy in charge of the seller? "He needs a MOAB!"

Also, I little respect for people who are "anti-establishment," as you are implying you are.

Spandexpanda:
BOOM headshot65, you're the kind of person that makes me lose faith in the policing system: wanting to arrest anyone for taking a drink? What kind of terrifying obsessive-compulsive control instinct are you exposing here? Why punish something that has literally no effect on you whatsoever? A drink? Come on, so a couple in their house drink a glass of beer and you'd swing in and arrest them if you were allowed? C'mon man, come on. The police are there to keep people safe, not to restrict their rights.

That depends. On thier property? Sure, fine. Out in public? Now we have problems. But, I think I am a major minority because I Would have supported this and wished they had upheld those laws.

Liquidacid23:
eh I always hate the "well booze is legal so weed should be" argument... potheads have no one to blame that on but themselves... you know why? because when you take away a potheads weed all they do is whine where as when you take away an alcoholics booze he becomes violent... in short alcoholics fought and fought hard to keep their right to drink where as potheads just sat around and complained to each other about it while allowing themselves to be pushed around...

besides if they legalized weed 90 percent of potheads would have nothing to talk about anymore

Claiming that being an ignorant, violent fuckhead when something you like is taken away isn't making me support your case to have that item back, it's making me want to call the cops, and/or defend myself from any aggressive behaviour that's pointed in my direction.

I'll agree that most of the celebrity pot-heads are more detrimental to the decriminalization cause more often than not, but alcohol has a much greater impact on society than pot ever will. It's like PETA; most of the celebutards that open their traps to support NORML and PETA are complete tools, and will usually jam their feet right into their cake-holes.

Alcoholism:

usually creates a situation where more money is used on healthcare
it's a major factor in car accidents
it's a leading cause of stupidity-related deaths and accidents
lots of relationship are destoyed due to it
it cause a prenatal condition that expresses itself as a form of retardation and learning disability
it's more frequently associated with mob behaviour (for example, the Vancouver Stanley Cup riots)

In short, alcohol generally allows more people to make more poor decisions; the average pot smoker isn't going to beat his kids and wife when he runs out of munchies, and he probably won't cause a fatal car accident if he drives down to the store to get some more doritos. On the off chance that you get a bunch of stoners together (which is like herding cats), they're probably not going to all get riled up and wreck anything, although they make a lot of bongs out of random shit.

It would be pretty sweet if cannabis was legalized as it should be.
Hopefully we will get a trend rolling where more western countries will come to realize that marijuana isn't the spawn of satan.

Liquidacid23:

Zeckt:
Oh, and I will not take anybody who is against legalizing pot yet is okay with alcohol being legal since its so much worse. Seriously, screw your heads on straight please.

I don't think ANY drug should be illegal ... controlled yes but flat out illegal no... cause I could give a rats ass less what chemicals you want to pour into your body or what you think about the ones I put in mine

Question: Do you defend the controlled legalization of heroin and crack-cocain?

Kendarik:

Durgiun:
My reaction:

''HEY, GUYS! We're going to Canada for vacation this year!''

Hey, we already have a lower drinking age too :) Lots of 18-20 year olds cross from border towns to Canada all the time to drink.

Pfft, where I'm livin' the legal drinking age is 18. Same goes for gun ownership.

BOOM headshot65:

believe what you're being told
Of course I am going to do what I am told. This has been pounded into me since day one. By my Parents, by D.A.R.E. officers, by Teachers, everyone I know.

that's called indoctrination.

if you're going to be a police officer PLEASE try to learn more about these topics and try to see these problems from different points of view.

it won't prevent you from keeping your own values but it will help make you a more effective and more compassionate police officer.

policing is NOT about punishing people, it's about protecting them and helping them.

ALL of them, not just the ones you pick and choose because you were raised a certain way.

I really hope you take this seriously.

GrandmaFunk:

BOOM headshot65:

believe what you're being told
Of course I am going to do what I am told. This has been pounded into me since day one. By my Parents, by D.A.R.E. officers, by Teachers, everyone I know.

that's called indoctrination.

if you're going to be a police officer PLEASE try to learn more about these topics and try to see these problems from different points of view.

it won't prevent you from keeping your own values but it will help make you a more effective and more compassionate police officer.

policing is NOT about punishing people, it's about protecting them and helping them.

ALL of them, not just the ones you pick and choose because you were raised a certain way.

I really hope you take this seriously.

If thats indoctrination, then I will gladly be indocrinated. I will have my children indoctrinated. Heck, I may just try and become a D.A.R.E. officer now. The system as it stands now is fine, and the people saying "legalize drugs" are probly affected with "you-cant-tell-me-what-to-do" Syndrome, a horrible illness that I wish they would find a cure for.

Zen Toombs:

I'm of the opinion that people shouldn't be allowed to drive while intoxicated regardless of the intoxicant. Yes, you think you can pull yourself together if you have to, but even if you can not everyone will be able to. You become a danger to yourself and (most importantly) others, so unless you like the idea of people driving while drunk you shouldn't allow people do drive while high.

No, I agree with you, people shouldn't drive while impaired in any way. I was mostly comparing pot to alcohol and the fact that pot doesn't seem to impair you as bad

Liquidacid23:

Realitycrash:

Liquidacid23:

I don't think ANY drug should be illegal ... controlled yes but flat out illegal no... cause I could give a rats ass less what chemicals you want to pour into your body or what you think about the ones I put in mine

Question: Do you defend the controlled legalization of heroin and crack-cocain?

sure if it's controlled... hell if an adult wants to take the chance of becoming addicted and/or killing themselves who am I to tell them not to... legal or illegal status doesn't really stop anyone from doing it who really wants to anyway so it's a rather moot point

In my opinion tho legalized and controlled is slightly better than illegal and uncontrolled like most of them currently are

Legal/illegal status DOES prevent people, since it is a lot harder to come across and thus get hooked on if it is illegal.
And you are to tell them not to, since the chance of life-altering addictions is so high with these drugs and they do so much damage that people can't be trusted to use them "responsibly".
That's why.

Realitycrash:
We will never sort out the problems B already have, and that still doesn't answer why people shouldn't have the right to use it. Most likely, those that choose to use A if it is legalized are the same people that would have chosen B otherwise, and A+B combined doesn't seem to make people any more violent or reckless (not to mention that Marijuana haven't proven to make people violent, actually more the opposite).
What few people that would get hooked (and I mean really hooked) on B, that today wouldn't be hooked A, are a negligible sacrifice compared to the potential gains society will have from legalisation (tax-income, less money to crime-syndicates, frees up tasks for the police to deal with, etc).

Now, let me just add that I hate Marijuana. I really think it's boring. I just don't see why we shouldn't allow it, since we allow booze and cigarettes.

I'd like to say, i don't hate marijuana(I do also think it is very boring tho). I don't think there would be any gains from making it legal, it would still have to be policed somewhat, crime-syndicates would still make money from it(Legally too, making it a front for other substances that are still illegal?)

RagTagBand:

My point was to point out the hypocrisy of current laws and the often hypocritical stances of those against it.

Your question, also, is stupid and/or ignorant. In terms of effects Marijuana and alcohol are barely comparable, if not polar opposites, So its pretty plain to see they won't cause the same problems. Cigarettes don't cause the same problems Alcohol does for the same reasons - They effect people in different ways.

I'm pretty sure that Weed-fueled assaults, for example, aren't nearly as prevalent as Alcohol-fueled ones and I can't remember the last time I saw anyone pissing in the street "Because they were just too high".

I'm kinda losing interest in this disscussion, not because of you, i'm having trouble actually trying to express what i want to say
I suppose i'll just end in saying, if it is legalised, it needs to be controlled alot better than alcohol is currently.

BOOM headshot65:

If thats indoctrination, then I will gladly be indocrinated. I will have my children indoctrinated. Heck, I may just try and become a D.A.R.E. officer now. The system as it stands now is fine, and the people saying "legalize drugs" are probly affected with "you-cant-tell-me-what-to-do" Syndrome, a horrible illness that I wish they would find a cure for.

I'm very sad that you just got stuck on the first sentence and didn't take my message to heart.

BOOM headshot65:
Huh, I will continue to get crucified for disrespecting the holy plant wont I. Oh well, here it goes anyway.

Ok, lets look back at some other things of your post then:

believe what you're being told
Of course I am going to do what I am told. This has been pounded into me since day one. By my Parents, by D.A.R.E. officers, by Teachers, everyone I know.

I think you've missed the point.

You should take everything those authority figures have told you, and examine it for what you consider to be relevant information to help shape a moral world-view. If you're going to take everything that your authoriy figures tell you at face value, grab a copy of the bible, and google up the nearest USMC recruitment office, because you are tailor-made for the USMC.

And that saddens me, for some reason.

BOOM headshot65:

It can be grown almost anywhere
Maybe we should give farmers more incentive to grow better crops, like corn and wheat. This is the same argument I have used to try and stop poppy-opium production in Afganistan.

In fact, the original reason behind marijuana prohibition was that the companies that were making artificial fibers for the US military during and after WWII lobbied to have marijuana criminalized because hemp is in the same genus, and would be covered by that ban. Do I need to point out that hemp was the single largest competition to the Dupont and 3M artifical fibers comapnies, or is that sort of self-explanatory?

Hemp, the product that was actually the root of marijuana criminalization, would kill you before you got high from smoking it, and is a fantastic thing; you can make rope, clothes, medical supplies, and all sorts of other stuff with it, and it's apparently a good source of fiber.

BOOM headshot65:

1. Is said medication being taken properly, ie, no overdoses or irresponcible use. This is a problem we had at my school recently. Some kids tried to mix OTC medication with cough syrup in an attempt to get high. If failed miserablly and they were hospitlized. Now, obviously, it would be bad if they died, but my first thought? "Morons."
2. There are other drugs that have been regulated by the FDA for most illnesses.
3. Does it matter if there are "worse things" in what we need for our daily lives? Marijuana is something we DO NOT NEED! and will NEVER need.

The FDA could quite handily create regulatory guildelines to oversee production of THC-bearing plants, and if you think the tax agencies in the US wouldn't love ANYTHING that would create an additional revenue stream, you should give your head a shake.

Consider that some towns have declared bankruptcy, because they literally have ZERO money left; now consider that several of those towns are in places where people used to be able to grow industrial hemp as a primary crop. If some of those farmers were still growing hemp for domestic use, and reasonable amounts of legal marijuana for controlled and taxed distribution, that's at least some money that currently isn't available that would be moving into the system as financial goodwill.

No, I'm not saying that decriminalization and taxation of pot would cure the American economy, but it bloody well benefit the bottom line on the balance sheet.

BOOM headshot65:

skatch13:

I hope you never ever become a police officer. At least not without a severe amount of education and behavioral readjustment. Of course though law enforcement in this country would hire you in a minute for your indoctrined view points. They will keep pumping you full of righteous ignorance, and pro establishment propaganda, and then we shall see you one day on a you tube video with a tazer pumping volts through some "diseased" marijuana fiend.

That depends. On thier property? Sure, fine. Out in public? Now we have problems. But, I think I am a major minority because I Would have supported this and wished they had upheld those laws.

Several European countries have "public consumption" liquor laws and still have a fraction of the petty criminal activity that most small American towns do; that's not even considering the amount of petty crime that occurs in a major American city.

The Netherlands, for example. I'd imagine that the mere thought of Amsterdam makes you cringe: pot cafes, open liquor on the streets, street-side brothels where young men and women are carefully screened for drug use and STI's, and pay taxes. THE HORROR!

I also point out that alcohol prohibition lead to the rise of the Mafia in the 1920's and 30's, and remind you that hemp was criminalized to allow manufacturers a less competitive market for their newly-developed artificial fibers.

Super Six One:

Realitycrash:
We will never sort out the problems B already have, and that still doesn't answer why people shouldn't have the right to use it. Most likely, those that choose to use A if it is legalized are the same people that would have chosen B otherwise, and A+B combined doesn't seem to make people any more violent or reckless (not to mention that Marijuana haven't proven to make people violent, actually more the opposite).
What few people that would get hooked (and I mean really hooked) on B, that today wouldn't be hooked A, are a negligible sacrifice compared to the potential gains society will have from legalisation (tax-income, less money to crime-syndicates, frees up tasks for the police to deal with, etc).

Now, let me just add that I hate Marijuana. I really think it's boring. I just don't see why we shouldn't allow it, since we allow booze and cigarettes.

I'd like to say, i don't hate marijuana(I do also think it is very boring tho). I don't think there would be any gains from making it legal, it would still have to be policed somewhat, crime-syndicates would still make money from it(Legally too, making it a front for other substances that are still illegal?)

It wouldn't have to be policed NEARLY as hard as it is today, saving money. And thus as it is sold by official dealers (let's say at the drugstore), it will generate tax-income. Due to a free market, the prices will either be so low that crime-syndicates will be pushed out of the market (why bother going to an illegal dealer when you can get it very cheap at the drugstore without the hassle?), or taxed so high that crime syndicates won't be pushed out of the market, but since most people will still buy it from the legal supply (once again, because the availability and the fact that hey, most people really DONT like supporting illegal crime-syndicates if they can get their product just as easy but a bit more expensive at the drugstore), it will still be a large net-gain.
And oh, we won't have to put people in prison for possession or similar, saving tax-money there.

There will still be a black market, sure, just as there is one for booze. Just won't be as large. Nowhere near.

Kendarik:

Aerodyamic:

Kendarik:

Prostitution is already legal in Canada, in fact I don't think its ever been illegal.

There are some laws designed to harass prostitutes, and some other laws meant to protect them that do the opposite, but its legal.

Prostitution is technically legal, communicating for the purpose of prostitution, living on the avails of, or forcing someone to act as a prostitute are not legal.

In fact, prior to 1985, more prostitutes were charged under vagrancy laws, since that's when the "communication" laws were passed. I just read an article last night in the Walrus about a blue-collar-background trans-gendered Aboriginal prostitute that made regular protests at Vancouver city hall for several years before the police found Robert Pickton.

http://walrusmagazine.com/articles/2010.06-society-the-unrepentant-whore/

Correct. Living off the avails was supposed to to stop pimps, but instead male children, roommates, and spouses/partners have been charged. Clearly not the intent of the original law. That one needs to go.

Forcing obviously should be a crime, that was designed to protect women from abuse.

Communicating was designed to keep the "streets clean". It actually wouldn't be a bad idea if they hadn't made it illegal to maintain a house designed for prostitution. Basically a well intended but poorly written and abusive law as it stands. It would be like saying "it legal to be a doctor as long as you don't set up an office or tell anyone about your practice".

You know, that's a disturbingly apt and accurate analogy. I'd be more comfortable if you'd said 'It's okay to be a lawyer, but you can't have an office, or tell anyone about it'.

That's a public service waiting to happen, IMHO.
8D

GrandmaFunk:

BOOM headshot65:

If thats indoctrination, then I will gladly be indocrinated. I will have my children indoctrinated. Heck, I may just try and become a D.A.R.E. officer now. The system as it stands now is fine, and the people saying "legalize drugs" are probly affected with "you-cant-tell-me-what-to-do" Syndrome, a horrible illness that I wish they would find a cure for.

I'm very sad that you just got stuck on the first sentence and didn't take my message to heart.

What more is there too it? Its illegal. END OF! Most of these drugs have a reason for being illegal, even if there is something good that can come out of it. Morphine, LSD, Cocaine, Marjinuna, they are ILLEGAL FOR A REASON! OTC is heavily regulated FOR A REASON! The duty of a police officer is to uphold the law, not question it.

Liquidacid23:

BOOM headshot65:
the people saying "legalize drugs" are probly affected with "you-cant-tell-me-what-to-do" Syndrome, a horrible illness that I wish they would find a cure for.

they tried... just ask any slave owner

Completely differnt situation. One was because people where treating other people as less than human. This is because we are trying to stop people from putting a smoldering plant in thier mouth.

VladG:

Zen Toombs:

I'm of the opinion that people shouldn't be allowed to drive while intoxicated regardless of the intoxicant. Yes, you think you can pull yourself together if you have to, but even if you can not everyone will be able to. You become a danger to yourself and (most importantly) others, so unless you like the idea of people driving while drunk you shouldn't allow people do drive while high.

No, I agree with you, people shouldn't drive while impaired in any way. I was mostly comparing pot to alcohol and the fact that pot doesn't seem to impair you as bad

Non-intoxicated five!

Liquidacid23:

BOOM headshot65:
the people saying "legalize drugs" are probly affected with "you-cant-tell-me-what-to-do" Syndrome, a horrible illness that I wish they would find a cure for.

they tried... just ask any slave owner

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I agree with the spoilered points, but please don't bring slavery into this when it isn't needed. It's like invoking Hitler - nothing good will come of it.

EDIT: Mr. Headshot [more like Mr. need-to-go-to-a-Head-SHOP, knowwhati'msaying?] is being a bit of a jerk and not exactly defending his points well, but let's all let this light flame war die down. No need to get tetchy.

oh well, I tried.

I'll take solace in the fact that you won't be a cop in my country...but looks like America's horribly abusive, corrupt and down-right broken system will perpetuate itself through yet another brain-dead bully in a uniform.

have fun beating up hippies.

Seems like it would be good for our economy, I'm all for it.

On a personal level I could care less, much like smoking or drinking, marijuana has absolutely no place in my life. Let people who enjoy the experience do so while supporting our government services.

Liquidacid23:

BOOM headshot65:
the people saying "legalize drugs" are probly affected with "you-cant-tell-me-what-to-do" Syndrome, a horrible illness that I wish they would find a cure for.

they tried... just ask any slave owner

Realitycrash:

Liquidacid23:

sure if it's controlled... hell if an adult wants to take the chance of becoming addicted and/or killing themselves who am I to tell them not to... legal or illegal status doesn't really stop anyone from doing it who really wants to anyway so it's a rather moot point

In my opinion tho legalized and controlled is slightly better than illegal and uncontrolled like most of them currently are

Legal/illegal status DOES prevent people, since it is a lot harder to come across and thus get hooked on if it is illegal.
And you are to tell them not to, since the chance of life-altering addictions is so high with these drugs and they do so much damage that people can't be trusted to use them "responsibly".
That's why.

no it actually doesn't ... in fact I would say the illegal status actually makes it more appealing to a large percentage of the youth which are the ones who actually need to protection

Yes, yes it does? Go ask people random on the street if they know anywhere to score heroin. They'd say "no", and not because they don't want to get busted, but because they really don't know. Now imagine if it was legal and sold at drugstores.
So your argument is that because it is illegal, youths want to try it? I think you have a flawed analogy to cigarettes and alcohol, that youths want to try because it's what grown-ups use, and thus it is "cool". Grown-ups wouldn't use heroin even it were legal, because most grown-ups aren't fucking morons and know that there is a difference in danger and addiction-levels between the substances. Making heroin legal would be like saying to youths "Hey! It isn't that dangerous! We even allow people to use it when they are adults! And YOU want to be an adult, don't you?".

BOOM headshot65:

What more is there too it? Its illegal. END OF! Most of these drugs have a reason for being illegal, even if there is something good that can come out of it. Morphine, LSD, Cocaine, Marjinuna, they are ILLEGAL FOR A REASON! OTC is heavily regulated FOR A REASON! The duty of a police officer is to uphold the law, not question it.

Goggle Barry Cooper.

He's a former, highly decorated Texas narcotics and DEA officer. He`s since gone on do tell the world about beating pot raps, with his series KopBusters.

Also, opiates aren`t illegal, they`re controlled; they`re too valuable to the pharmaceutical lobbies be illegal.

I`m not going to get into the conspiracy theories about heroin and other opiates being moved by government agencies from Afghanistan and the Golden delta during and after the Korean and Vietnam conflicts, or during the current Afghanistan deployment. Those stories have been thrown around for years, and there`s enough legitimacy to them to make them frighteningly plausible.

Regnes:
the entire project should just be scrapped and marijuana simply becomes legalized.

Good for Canada, the cops treat the legal system as a fucking joke here in the states, they waste their time on minor drugs like this while nobody gets caught for homicide these days, so many unsolved cases were I'm from but shit, at least they are getting this plant that literally has no evidence of serious harm attached to it off the streets. Kids can just wreck their bodies with booze or go smoke some K2 because that is legal, I mean sure it will rot holes in your brain but you won't get a drug charge for that! This issue is so ridiculous and immature, personally I don't understand why they would fight against something like this, why should they have control over what you do to your own conscious-being if it puts no harm on others?

I guess some people like being controlled, so it works.

Th3Ch33s3Cak3:
Such scum in humanity should be severly punished.

YEAH! An unwitting opinion, man those get me so hard!

aegix drakan:
Personally, I don't give a damn.

I don't do pot, nor do I have a desire to. A friend of mine tried it once, and he said it was the most profoundly boring experience in his life.

If your friend found it boring, it is rather likely that he wasn't affected at all in the first place.
For - I would say - most people, weed doesn't have an effect until the third or fourth time they try it.

I'm glad you don't care about other people's recreational drug use though.

I hope Canada will do the right thing. The drug is largely harmless. Even more so if you don't consume it through smoking.

Although I guess Liquidacid has a point. Pot-smokers wouldn't have anything left to talk about...

Liquidacid23:

hey now that is a counter productive statement and unfair... even tho I am not a fan of the police, they are after all always ruining my fun, most of them are hard working and mostly reasonable people the same as anyone else... there are a few fucktards but yo uwill find a few in any profession..

to be fair, i sincerely tried to be productive with him for several posts...but you can only bang your head on a wall so many times before realizing you aren't breaking through.

I actually am a fan of the police and I support the good and important work they to, as should be evident form my previous posts...but all the signs seem to point that he will be one of said fucktards.

EDIT: Sorry, I misquoted someone.

Liquidacid23:

Zeckt:
Oh, and I will not take anybody who is against legalizing pot yet is okay with alcohol being legal since its so much worse. Seriously, screw your heads on straight please.

I don't think ANY drug should be illegal ... controlled yes but flat out illegal no... cause I could give a rats ass less what chemicals you want to pour into your body or what you think about the ones I put in mine

meh I never said it was a "nice" reason... reality tends not to be ideal and all rainbows and hugs... no offense but the hippy peace mongering "violence never gets you anything " crap is pointless... fact of the matter is most freedoms we enjoy were purchased with violence and have been since the beginning of our species as a civilization why anyone would think that fact would be different for potheads is beyond me

but the point stands that the reason they don't have it yet is because they haven't actually fought for it... if they had they would already have it legalized

also the average alcohol user isn't going to beat his kids and wife and he probably won't cause a fatal car accident because he knows better than to drive. Just because a minority of users do stupid things doesn't mean no one should be allowed to...

You should google up some M.A.D.D. statistics. According to them, drunk-driving is still endemic.

The fact remains, study after study has proven that alcohol abuse has far greater consequences, and those consequences occur with far more regularity than marijuana abuse. Marijuana makes me hungry, and I occasionally get the urge to make a bong out of a milk crate, and then I go to bed.

Assuming I've forgotten that my job requires me to be able to pass a drug test.

Shotgun Guy:

Aerodyamic:
The duty of a police officer is to uphold the law, not question it.

Not to sound cliche but that is exactly what the Nazis said.

That's not my quote, actually.

BOOM headshot65:

The duty of a police officer is to uphold the law, not question it.