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Poll: Why do you (not) eat meat?

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SonOfVoorhees:

Tilted_Logic:
Animal cruelty. You put me and a buddy alone in the wild and my buddy catches a fish for dinner? I'll eat it. I'll be thankful for the meal, and I'll respect the fact that effort went into catching the fish.

I know people that will eat fish and not meat. For me, fish and sea food have it worse. Fish suffocate on a boat, unless you think its best to drown cows and pigs for food? Some sea food is boiled alive. How is that humane?

I'm going to assume the part bolded is a general response, and not entirely directed towards me. I agree though; I have family that loves going to a fancy seafood joint for birthdays and such. It devastates me to think the lobsters I see in a tank in the lobby will probably be boiled alive that night if someone so chooses. If you're going to kill an animal, do it quickly. Nothing deserves that kind of torture, especially something that can't defend itself against us.

SonOfVoorhees:
Me? I eat it all. Regardless, i realise some animals suffer but i dont care. At all. Some random animal. Also science show plants feel pain so what does that say about veg?

This is a ridiculous argument. It's like scolding someone for walking on grass. I love the idea that plants have a certain level of intelligence and can react to stimuli, but our very survival depends on a diet of plants. I don't have enough information on the topic to take this into an intelligent discussion, but there are two starkly different levels of awareness between most plants and animals.

I try, I was told that it would benefit me healthwise from two of my doctors.

But my dinner each night usually consists of at least one of god's tasty creatures on my plate.

I at least need to cut down on the red meat, which again is hard, especially since I had a roast beef sandwich not two hours ago.

We evolved over millions of years to be able to efficiently digest both animal and plant products, I would no more try to stop eating meat than my cats (they can't survive on a completely veggie diet)

I was raised in the Yorkshire countryside. The place where vegetarian children do not see the next summer. :D

I eat meat because I like it. I see no reason not to as Humans evolved as carnivorous beings, so eating other animals come naturally. I believe we should respect the animals we eat, making sure we put as much of them to good use as possible.

Meat is the easiest way to get easily absorbed B vitamins and iron; it's a good source of protein; it gives me a wider array of choices in most restaurants, the homes of hosts, and in my own cooking; and it tastes good. I was also raised as an omnivore in an area where fresh fruits and vegetables were relatively rare and expensive, so it's what I'm used to.

I do, however, recognize that it's not very environmentally friendly, not an efficient use of energy, and that over-consumption of meat is a significant contributor to a number of health problems. So these days I try to limit my consumption of meat, though not eliminate it entirely.

I eat meat because as a human being I happen to be an omnivore.

If it's wrong for a human being to eat meat, then why is it okay for animals to eat other animals? Especially with regard to other omnivores?

Suddenly I'm reminded of that Popplers episode of Futurama where the hippies taught a lion to eat tofu, and the lion looks sickly and on the verge of death.

I don't, due to my personal ethics, deriving from Buddhism.

There're environmental and political reasons, too, though the original justification which won me over was religious.

Tuesday Night Fever:
I eat meat because as a human being I happen to be an omnivore.

If it's wrong for a human being to eat meat, then why is it okay for animals to eat other animals? Especially with regard to other omnivores?

Suddenly I'm reminded of that Popplers episode of Futurama where the hippies taught a lion to eat tofu, and the lion looks sickly and on the verge of death.

Why are so many people repeating the old "animals eat animals so I should be able to eat animals"-argument. It's completely irrelevant. Personally, I don't have any problem with humans hunting and eating animals. That is natural.

However, what we are talking about here is not hunting animals. We are literally farming animals, packing thousands and thousands of them together in cages only to slaughter them systematically in factories, after which we process the meat in huge quantities of water and adding God knows what chemicals.

There is nothing natural about it. In fact it's unethical and bad for humans and the involved livestock alike, not to mention the environment.

So just through away the "eating meat is natural" argument. Nobody is arguing that eating meat is natural, but that doesn't automatically justify the modern meat industry.

CarlMinez:
Why are so many people repeating the old "animals eat animals so I should be able to eat animals"-argument. It's completely irrelevant. Personally, I don't have any problem with humans hunting and eating animals. That is natural.

However, what we are talking about here is not hunting animals. We are literally farming animals, packing thousands and thousands of them together in cages only to slaughter them systematically in factories, after which we process the meat in huge quantities of water and adding God knows what chemicals.

There is nothing natural about it. In fact it's unethical and bad for humans and the involved livestock alike, not to mention the environment.

So just through away the "eating meat is natural" argument. Nobody is arguing that eating meat is natural, but that doesn't automatically justify the modern meat industry.

/sigh. First of all, we weren't talking about anything. I was referring to myself, my life, and my beliefs based upon my life experiences. Stuff that I know for a fact you're not an expert on. The original poster asked why I eat meat, I stated why I eat meat. You pounced and tried to shove your own beliefs down my throat.

Anyway.

I repeat it because I do hunt. I haven't paid for a cut of meat in a grocery store for years, and eat fast food maybe five times per year since moving out of my parents' home.

And even if I didn't hunt, I'd probably still repeat it, because the fact remains that we are omnivores, and if it's not okay for us to behave as such, it's not okay for any other omnivore to do so either. If those other omnivores had the intelligence and/or capability to harvest their favorite things to eat, they almost certainly would as well. Unless you're trying to make the claim that using our intelligence and tool-making skills, y'know... pretty much our claim to fame as human beings... to get what we want is unnatural. In which case... what?

My flat is vegetarian (except for when we eat out, or we get pizza) but I try to supplement my daily intake with meat anyway.

Partly because I like meat and was raised on it, partly because I'm borderline underweight.

im a vegetarian because i oppose factory farming. do i like meat? sure, i have fond memories of steak and ribs. do i think me not eating meat is going to end factory farming? of course not, but that doesnt mean i have to support something i am morally against.

I won't let ethics or some misguided notion of morality (or even decency) get in the way of a great tasting meal. Meat's awesome and whenever I can get my mitts on some, I don't hesitate.

Tuesday Night Fever:

CarlMinez:
Why are so many people repeating the old "animals eat animals so I should be able to eat animals"-argument. It's completely irrelevant. Personally, I don't have any problem with humans hunting and eating animals. That is natural.

However, what we are talking about here is not hunting animals. We are literally farming animals, packing thousands and thousands of them together in cages only to slaughter them systematically in factories, after which we process the meat in huge quantities of water and adding God knows what chemicals.

There is nothing natural about it. In fact it's unethical and bad for humans and the involved livestock alike, not to mention the environment.

So just through away the "eating meat is natural" argument. Nobody is arguing that eating meat is natural, but that doesn't automatically justify the modern meat industry.

/sigh. First of all, we weren't talking about anything. I was referring to myself, my life, and my beliefs based upon my life experiences. Stuff that I know for a fact you're not an expert on. The original poster asked why I eat meat, I stated why I eat meat. You pounced and tried to shove your own beliefs down my throat.

Anyway.

I repeat it because I do hunt. I haven't paid for a cut of meat in a grocery store for years, and eat fast food maybe five times per year since moving out of my parents' home.

And even if I didn't hunt, I'd probably still repeat it, because the fact remains that we are omnivores, and if it's not okay for us to behave as such, it's not okay for any other omnivore to do so either. If those other omnivores had the intelligence and/or capability to harvest their favorite things to eat, they almost certainly would as well. Unless you're trying to make the claim that using our intelligence and tool-making skills, y'know... pretty much our claim to fame as human beings... to get what we want is unnatural. In which case... what?

Alright, here we go.

Firstly, if I see an argument that is preposterous to me, I'm sure to reply to it. In this case, I've seen this one pseudo-argument being repeated like a dozen times in this thread alone and you just happened to be the last one brining it up. You mentioned that it's your personal believes and while I don't question that you are entitled to them, I assumed that you by stating them wouldn't mind defending them as well. But if that's the case, leave this post unanswered and I shall bother you no more. :)

Still, your reasoning here just doesn't make sense to me. You are saying that human beings are omnivores and therefore, If we don't have the right to eat meat then no non-human animal omnivores should either? Why, because they are likely to do the same? Well that doesn't matter. Right now we are the ones with the meat industry and no other animal is doing the same. This is no a question of any deontological principles that all animals have. Human beings can be judged by how we treat those who cannot defend themselves. In this case, we are treating animals that cannot defend themselves horribly, which is unethical no matter how you look at it.

I eat meat because it is the way of the world. We are omnivores, we eat meat and plants. Will I not like you if you don't? Not at all, I have a few vegetarian friends. Will I not like you if you slap a hamburger out of my hand? Yes, yes I will.

Plus the fact that it tastes good doesn't hurt.

It tastes good. Also eaten in the right amounts it is the healthiest way to get protein.

I too care about the animals....but...you know what....I also enjoy FLAVOR!

Yes you can show me a cow....and you can show me beef...I dont see the middle man, I do get the delicious ending.

Also and I have to agree w/ my brother....vegans are mostly batty because they dont get certain vitamins and minerals and such...

Also....I dont want to be some hipster pos hindering other peoples enjoyment..

I find meat to be a very viable source of nutritional income, also is tasty.
That said, I will jump at the chance of eating some of that lab grown meat those cool science people are making.

Meat is the main substance of any meal I eat. I don't know if I could actually live with a balanced diet without it considering how many vegetables I dislike.

Protein. Also the taste, it is man-tastic. And this is from someone who hasn't had venison.

dobahci:

Soods:
They survive on their own. If one species, like pigs, can't survive in the wilds, I don't think it deserves to survive.

That seems like a bit of a leap to me. There are plenty of creatures that would have (and do have) difficulty surviving in the wild, but that doesn't necessarily mean they don't deserve to live and propagate. There are plenty of people that couldn't survive in the wild, either.

There are a number of species which are hanging on by a thread and are largely kept alive by conservation efforts. The giant panda is a good example. Do you think we should simply allow it to die out?

The way I see it is, that every species gets an equal chance. If a species is build to fail, then it will eventually fail, humans shouldn't intervene in the natural selection. But if we already have intervened, and as a result the species is dying, then we should do our best to fix the mess we've made. And no, I don't see humans as a part of the nature anymore.

CarlMinez:
Alright, here we go.

Firstly, if I see an argument that is preposterous to me, I'm sure to reply to it. In this case, I've seen this one pseudo-argument being repeated like a dozen times in this thread alone and you just happened to be the last one brining it up. You mentioned that it's your personal believes and while I don't question that you are entitled to them, I assumed that you by stating them wouldn't mind defending them as well. But if that's the case, leave this post unanswered and I shall bother you no more. :)

Still, your reasoning here just doesn't make sense to me. You are saying that human beings are omnivores and therefore, If we don't have the right to eat meat then no non-human animal omnivores should either? Why, because they are likely to do the same? Well that doesn't matter. Right now we are the ones with the meat industry and no other animal is doing the same. This is no a question of any deontological principles that all animals have. Human beings can be judged by how we treat those who cannot defend themselves. In this case, we are treating animals that cannot defend themselves horribly, which is unethical no matter how you look at it.

We're the ones with the industry because we're the ones with the capability to create said industry. If another species of omnivore out there one day achieved our level of intelligence and ability to create and utilize tools, it'd be naive to assume that they wouldn't use those gifts to get the food that they want. If they got as efficient at it as we have gotten with the many, many years of practice we've had, they'd likely have the same industry going that we currently have.

But they don't have that capability. We're using the gifts nature gave us to get what we want, and what we want is to not be hungry. We're using our gifts that nature gave us to ensure that we don't go hungry by having a ready supply of the things we want to eat. Saying that what we're doing is 'unnatural' is ridiculous. To say it's 'unethical' - fine, I'll give you that one, maybe it is unethical - but ethics are pretty subjective. Your ethics =/= my ethics, nor do our ethics = everyone's ethics. By my standard of ethics, when the day comes that a group of cows form a protest of their own volition, I'll consider it unethical. But projecting human emotions onto cows is ridiculous, and sadly something I see all the time from people who want me to feel bad for behaving in a manner appropriate for my species. Animals eat other animals who can't defend themselves all the time. Orcas are actually recorded playing with their prey before eating it. Are you going to try and explain to an Orca that its behavior is unethical? Weaver Ants harvest other weaker insects as a food source, are you going to tell a nest of weaver ants that their behavior is unethical?

I eat meat since I still live at home and I cannot really force my family to change their diet simply cause I would prefer not to eat it. I do think meat is really tasty but I would really prefer to not eat it :/

meh, what is happiness to an animal aside from eating and not being mauled by wild wolves? : \

Besides, where would all those cows go if the demand for meat and leather just disappeared? I mean, they can't successfully breed without assistance, they have no natural food supply.... We'd just see a bunch of dead cow carcasses everywhere for a couple years, followed by their extinction.

geK0:
Besides, where would all those cows go if the demand for meat and leater just disappeared?

They'd go to the wild, where they would be eaten by some other type of animal that doesn't care whether or not they can defend themselves.

Probably your aforementioned wild wolves. :)

I eat meat because it's me doing my part to exert man's dominion over nature.

I like meat and I am biologically designed for it. The only things I have problems with are mistreatment of animals, chemically altered meat and the fact that, for the most part, we have spared cute and cuddly animals because they are just that: cute and cuddly. It really doesn't seem all that fair.

One because I really really like it and two because animals are not people, therefore what happens to them is completely irrelevant so long as it doesn't come back to bite me in the ass. Seriously fuck animals.

Because I live in Alberta. Best beef in the world right here. Human's lived on mostly red meat full of saturated fat for most of our existence and we were tall, lean and muscular. It wasn't until agriculture that we got short and fat.

We didn't spend millions of years climbing the food chain to eat lettuce.

Meat is the food of the brain, your brain enjoys steak, that's all your brain has ever wanted.

You would deny your brain such simple pleasures as the meat of another animal?

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It's what Jesus would have wanted.

Soods:
Well, 2 people have been enlightened according to the poll. There must have been something enlightening about the post.

You are claiming a lot, but please provide some sources.
This and this is why I believe meat production is bad for the environment.

"The world must create five billion vegans in the next several decades, or triple its total farm output without using more land."
-Dennis Avery, Director of the Centre for Global Food Issues

those people clearly have a low double digit IQ. you offered nothing intellectual on the table.

secondly, don't ask me to provide sources then link a couple of Wikipedia pages. it's insulting. Wikipedia is a good place for quickly looking up general facts, but an absolutely terrible thing to "source". I can only assume you're in grade school if you think Wiki is a respectable source.

Dennis Avery is an idiot. You and him are thinking about this problem the wrong way. You know how I said when an animal population gets too big they have to be reduced for the healthy continuation of the environment? Do you also remember how I pointed out that humans are animals just like any other on this planet?

As far as I'm concerned Humans have 2 options. Colonize other planets or reduce our population to a more sustainable number. And seeing as how we're still far away from option number 1 it's only logical for a genocide.

I eat meat because it tastes good. Sure, I've eaten plenty of dishes in which meat was not the star and are just as delicious as meat dishes, but I enjoy eating meat nonetheless. I do eat veggies and fruits, as well as dairy products, and I've never felt like I needed to cut back on any of my food group intake (unless I'm training or exercising).

To everyone who doesn't eat meat, I don't judge and respect their decision and dedication to a no meat lifestyle. It just means more meat for me.

If humans didn't eat meat, we'd probably have driven all livestock animals into extinction by now. Think of it as environmentalism.

Meat's fine. It's not so much that I love it than that I'm a very picky eater and as such it inevitably winds up on my plate. I have no particular qualms about eating meat - I'm not a huge fan of animals, and while the way they're generally raised now is lamentable, I don't see how my doing anything different can have any real effect, nor do I think it's an important enough issue concern myself over. I mean, there's so much injustice and inequality being dished out to humans, let's deal with that before we concern ourselves with animal rights.

People who eat meat just havent learned enough about where it comes from. I find that no one is ever able to beat me in an argument about it. It usually comes down to "But it's tasty! D:" or "If you dont eat meat you're a queer-bag! D:<" or "REAL men eat meat! Carnivores ftw! Mighty hunters herp derp durr!"

Because nothing says mighty predator like buying pre-packed cuts of an animal someone else raised and slaughtered for you.

MajorTomServo:
People who eat meat just havent learned enough about where it comes from. I find that no one is ever able to beat me in an argument about it. It usually comes down to "But it's tasty! D:" or "If you dont eat meat you're a queer-bag! D:<" or "REAL men eat meat! Carnivores ftw! Mighty hunters herp derp durr!"

Because nothing says mighty predator like buying pre-packed cuts of an animal someone else raised and slaughtered for you.

I know where meat comes from and I still eat it. it's already dead and not eating it won't help anything.

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