Sansha: I'm getting a nice American muscle car this year, like a Mustang or Firebird, and part of the reason is because of the misconceptions - IRL on-road trolling eco-mentalists and 'little car' drivers.
I don't want to deliberately start road rage, mind, but the very presence of these cars inspires silent fuming in a great deal of people and I think that's fantastic.
And really it's just a stepping stone until I can find a Viper RT/10.
Everyone I know asks me why I want such a noisy, gas-guzzling monsters - that's part of the joy. Nobody ever feels awesome tearing up the highway in a Prius.
Get a mid 80s pickup truck while you're at it. They're no wider than a Mustang, yet they seem to piss Prius drivers off even more.
Although I suppose if he drove it it would act up. I swear that thing has a mind of it's own or something. If it likes its driver it's the postercard for reliability, but if it doesn't like its driver it suddenly remembers that it looks like a junkyard reject and starts acting like one.
I like cars like that, that seem to have a personality. My current car is like that, in which it seems to 'hug' people it likes and drive really smoothly, but gets really jumpy and aggressive like a rodeo with people it doesn't. It's weird.
All I hear when I see a guy in a muscle car or a giant pick-up is what I imagine is the panicky "I AM INSECURE ABOUT MY MASCULINITY". And I literally cannot take anyone who makes their vehicle as loud as possible seriously. They are almost invariably a jerk, an idiot, or both.
Sort of like when I see a vehicle with truck nuts on it, all I can think of is the driver going "I LOVE BALLS. I AM AFRAID TO ADMIT IT SO I PRETEND IT IS SOMEHOW 'MACHO' TO PUT A DETAILED SCROTUM ON MY VEHICLE, RATHER THAN A FREUDIAN EXPRESSION OF MY DEEPEST DESIRES"
American cars are built for Americans, traditionally that is why they sell very poorly in any other countries.
The initial justification for why they are viable is fine for justifying their appeal to another American but utterly redundant for trying to justify their purchase for anyone else who is not American, because mostly we have our own alternatives that are massively better in just about every way because they are more suited to where and how we drive our vehicles.
The only point that is total bunk is the first one about handling. Yes it is subjective but a car that handles badly will handle badly irrespective of who is driving it. The difference between drivers is how they cope with that poor handling but the end of the day a Ferrari 458 is still going to go round a corner faster and more controlled than an F150 no matter who's driving it.
TestECull: I'd love to point how he's wrong. Mine had 200K on it when I bought it. I've put another 100K on it since then, and it's still going strong. Doesn't need daily repairs...or even monthly ones. Just maintenance.
Although I suppose if he drove it it would act up. I swear that thing has a mind of it's own or something. If it likes its driver it's the postercard for reliability, but if it doesn't like its driver it suddenly remembers that it looks like a junkyard reject and starts acting like one.
Again, I have no problem with Chevy or Ford. I will take either. My dads complaint is that on older Fords, there are "Too many parts in the way. You have too move, like, 4 different parts to get the the one you want to fix, whereas on Chevy everything is right there" (on explaining why I couldnt have a Ford so long as I live under his roof...maybe hes mad Ford didnt need a bailout from the government). Now, I am not sure how acurate that statement is, but whatever. From what I have seen, Fords are longer lasting while Chevys are easier to fix.
They are equal in my eyes, thus it will be hard to decied between a 1964 Chevy C-10 or a 1967 Ford F-150 when I am on my own. Then when it comes to a family vehicle, if I have 2 kids or less, then it will be a 1983 Chevy Blazer S-10. If 3 or more, then a 1985 Chevy Suburban. Sorry, Chevy makes better SUVs IMO.
TheMagicLemur: All I hear when I see a guy in a muscle car or a giant pick-up is what I imagine is the panicky "I AM INSECURE ABOUT MY MASCULINITY". And I literally cannot take anyone who makes their vehicle as loud as possible seriously. They are almost invariably a jerk, an idiot, or both.
Sort of like when I see a vehicle with truck nuts on it, all I can think of is the driver going "I LOVE BALLS. I AM AFRAID TO ADMIT IT SO I PRETEND IT IS SOMEHOW 'MACHO' TO PUT A DETAILED SCROTUM ON MY VEHICLE, RATHER THAN A FREUDIAN EXPRESSION OF MY DEEPEST DESIRES"
ah for me when I see someone driving a small eco-friendly car I imagine them yelling "AH I"M A SMUG TOOL WHO THINKS I"M AN INTELLECTUAL... I LIKE IT IN THE BUTT"
now when I see someone driving one of those little smart cars I think "AHH RUN ME OVER I WAS GOLFING AND WANDERED ONTO THE ROAD"
and when I see someone driving one of those average POS cars I think nothing and just laugh cause they are poor
BOOM headshot65: Now, I am not sure how acurate that statement is, but whatever. From what I have seen, Fords are longer lasting while Chevys are easier to fix.
My own personal experience with mid 80s models is that that simply isn't the case. Everything's nice and logically laid out on both 302, 460 and 240/300 models.
They are equal in my eyes, thus it will be hard to decied between a 1964 Chevy C-10 or a 1967 Ford F-150 when I am on my own.
I'd rather have a '67 C10 to be perfectly honest. I don't think I'd keep the chev I6 though, most likely exchange that for an SS454 crate motor and T-6060 gearbox.
Sorry, Chevy makes better SUVs IMO.
No need to apologize, I'm on board with that. The Broncos based on the 80-96 shortbed halftons were Ford's only 'good' SUVs...and that's only because it's one of their F150s with a factory topper on it. If I was in the market for an SUV I'd look very strongly at 1976-1996 Chevy Suburban, and if it had an automatic(Most did, mandatory after the 80's I believe) I'd graft in a manual myself.
Did you know an American car company released a car "with a European handling pack" .... All your roads seem to be a lot more straight and grid like but European roads are more twisty and turny. That is just my perception though.
"2) Road Hogs" your roads are like 30 foot wide! Your cars are like 10 foot wide! Joking but seriously, every shot I see of your roads and it seems like it would take me twice as long to walk across it and I am just talking about roads round residential areas, your motorways have like 6 lanes!
"3) Gas Mileage" always remember, your cars run on lower octane juice than European cars. We get crazy jungle juice, you get watered down stuff.
I am not sure how that effects your mileage but there you go.
Also old school muscle cars didn't have carbs, they had buckets with a sieve on the bottom.
RhombusHatesYou: Last generation of RWD V8s in Australia now. Both Ford and Holden (GM) are switching over to AWD for the 8s... can't remember if that was due to a government mandate or not. Probably, sounds like the sort of thing the federal govt would do.
It will be a sad day for many a Hoon and Petrolhead when the last RWD V8s roll off the line.
Made me think of the first Mad Max movie; 'Hows the donk?' 'It's the last of the V8 interceptors'
My old man drove a HO Shaker and so I had a variety of V8s, then turbos/rotaries (when the Mazdas were faster and handled better than the local V8s).
When I worked in mining I drove big 4WDs around the outback, the kind of vehicle that would win an argument with a kanga, emu or cow.
Now I drive a tiny i20 1.4 L.
Cheap on fuel, 5 star safety and keeps me from getting in trouble with my boss over speeding fines / having a radar detector (which can cost US$100 for less than 10Kms over the speed limit).
ah for me when I see someone driving a small eco-friendly car I imagine them yelling "AH I"M A SMUG TOOL WHO THINKS I"M AN INTELLECTUAL... I LIKE IT IN THE BUTT"
now when I see someone driving one of those little smart cars I think "AHH RUN ME OVER I WAS GOLFING AND WANDERED ONTO THE ROAD"
and when I see someone driving one of those average POS cars I think nothing and just laugh cause they are poor
3) Gas Mileage: Yes, they all have bad gas mileage. But people miss the point. They look at the gas mileage and write them off:
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Pickup trucks....are for transporting heavy loads. And that is what most people that I have seen use them for.
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Seriously though, I have no problem with people having an SUV if it actually serves a purpose; you're a farmer, live in a remote area, or do a lot of landscape gardening or whatever
But it does piss me off when you see individuals driving these fucking huge pickups and SUVs in the middle of a city when they obviously don't need them, given all they're used for is shopping and the school run. It's worth pointing out that this isn't just happening in America though, you're getting it more and more in the UK as well.
The other issue is safety. A lot of smaller cars (not to mention pedestrians) just don't stand a chance if they're hit by a pickup or SUV at any speed. Because they build these things like tanks they just roll over a smaller vehicle.
ah for me when I see someone driving a small eco-friendly car I imagine them yelling "AH I"M A SMUG TOOL WHO THINKS I"M AN INTELLECTUAL... I LIKE IT IN THE BUTT"
now when I see someone driving one of those little smart cars I think "AHH RUN ME OVER I WAS GOLFING AND WANDERED ONTO THE ROAD"
and when I see someone driving one of those average POS cars I think nothing and just laugh cause they are poor
So you're a truck nuts guy, then.
nah if I want to display a nutsack I just hang my real one out the window...
nah if I want to display a nutsack I just hang my real one out the window...
Yeah... you're definitely a truck nuts guy in spirit.
meh you strike me as a small eco-friendly hybrid type... ya know a pseudointellectual who hypocritically projects his insecurities on others as a way avoid dealing with them
nah if I want to display a nutsack I just hang my real one out the window...
Yeah... you're definitely a truck nuts guy in spirit.
meh you strike me as a small eco-friendly hybrid type... ya know a pseudointellectual who hypocritically projects his insecurities on others as a way avoid dealing with them
Right. Guys who drive loud, giant muscle cars or giant SUVs are never, ever insecure. In the same way that guys who go around beating up gay people are extremely confident and comfortable with their sexuality.
I actually don't have an eco-friendly car, but would like one because a) I actually do give a shit about the environment and b) gas is fucking expensive. I'm not sure how not investing the entirety of my manhood in the decibel level my gas-chugging engine can produce could be construed as "insecure", unless you are a crazy person.
Also, I love how in America "intellectual" is somehow a bad thing. And then we wonder why no one takes us seriously.
Yeah... you're definitely a truck nuts guy in spirit.
meh you strike me as a small eco-friendly hybrid type... ya know a pseudointellectual who hypocritically projects his insecurities on others as a way avoid dealing with them
Right. Guys who drive loud, giant muscle cars or giant SUVs are never, ever insecure. In the same way that guys who go around beating up gay people are extremely confident and comfortable with their sexuality.
I actually don't have an eco-friendly car, but would like one because a) I actually do give a shit about the environment and b) gas is fucking expensive. I'm not sure how not investing the entirety of my manhood in the decibel level my gas-chugging engine can produce could be construed as "insecure", unless you are a crazy person.
Also, I love how in America "intellectual" is somehow a bad thing. And then we wonder why no one takes us seriously
hey your the one who started with the irrational stereotypes I was just returning in kind
also, apparently, you don't understand what the word pseudointellectual means... lol
Liquidacid23: [quote="TheMagicLemur" post="18.362276.14241310"] hey your the one who started with the irrational stereotypes I was just returning in kind
also, apparently, you don't understand what the word pseudointellectual means... lol
Actually, my analogies were pretty rational. Guys who are really macho tend to do blatantly homoerotic things, and guys who are insecure often have vehicles to compensate.
And I do know what pseudointellectual means. I'm just fairly certain that, judging by how you present yourself, you just have a beef with people who are smart or liberal or have genuine feelings about things.
I live in the US, and I hate the big trucks; I think their annoying and stupid. I also hate it when people make their vehicles louder on purpose, its just obnoxious. If your actually a farmer or something that's okay, but most of these assholes drive them because their fashionably stupid.
Liquidacid23: [quote="TheMagicLemur" post="18.362276.14241310"] hey your the one who started with the irrational stereotypes I was just returning in kind
also, apparently, you don't understand what the word pseudointellectual means... lol
Actually, my analogies were pretty rational. Guys who are really macho tend to do blatantly homoerotic things, and guys who are insecure often have vehicles to compensate.
And I do know what pseudointellectual means. I'm just fairly certain that, judging by how you present yourself, you just have a beef with people who are smart or liberal or have genuine feelings about things.
eh no... you just seem to like to make irrational generalizations and jump to illogical conclusions
but hey if you need to tell yourself I'm just hating on you cause your a smart liberal who has genuine feelings about things... than go ahead we all have our own delusions that make life easier
Liquidacid23: eh no... you just seem to like to make irrational generalizations and jump to illogical conclusions
but hey if you need to tell yourself I'm just hating on you cause your a smart liberal who has genuine feelings about things... than go ahead we all have our own delusions that make life easier
To be honest I'm pretty sure you're a troll, but I was pretty bored.
Liquidacid23: eh no... you just seem to like to make irrational generalizations and jump to illogical conclusions
but hey if you need to tell yourself I'm just hating on you cause your a smart liberal who has genuine feelings about things... than go ahead we all have our own delusions that make life easier
To be honest I'm pretty sure you're a troll, but I was pretty bored.
rather funny that you started by spewing bad pop-psych that belongs as a punchline in a bad sitcom or coming out of the mouth of a guest pundit on FOX news and then go to calling me a troll
rather funny that you started by spewing bad pop-psych that belongs as a punchline in a bad sitcom or coming out of the mouth of a guest pundit on FOX news and then go to calling me a troll
lol
Now now, Fox news would never mock someone driving a giant truck with truck nuts on it; that's literally 80% of their demographic.
Not going to bother to quote anyone on this, but drive/ride/pilot what makes you happy. Or the closest to what you'd like to have, whatever that may be. Pickups and SUVs in general are awesome for the things they were engineered to do. It just makes me sad to see so many damn vehicles like that restricted to "urban safaris". So many in my area (where I live outside of school) are purely driven in (sub)urban environments, never see dirt a day in their life, and only transport a soccer mom and occasionally one other person. Seems a waste of a great truck or SUV to only drive pavement and never tow anything. To those that use a truck as a truck, or tow something with their vehicle: respect. Keep rocking on. Also, I hope we continue to improve fuel economy across the board with all vehicle while improving power and torque so it's cheaper to do what you need to do and punish the working vehicles less at the pump.
BOOM headshot65: I am not going to say anything, because my bias toward anything made by Chevy, Ford, or Chrystler, or any companies they own (like Dodge, Cadillac, and Lincoln) will cancel any real info......
Then why do you hang out on discussion forums?
On Topic: Apart from them being massive and obnoxious, as well as a hazard the the environment. Unless you're using them for their original purpose, to move things. Which is not why 80% of the insane number of people have them though.
The other issue is safety. A lot of smaller cars (not to mention pedestrians) just don't stand a chance if they're hit by a pickup or SUV at any speed. Because they build these things like tanks they just roll over a smaller vehicle.
Ah yes, the whole "small car is eaten by big truck" argument. Dont get me wrong, I will admit that there is something to be said that if most things become smaller then other drivers will be safer. But I still wouldnt want to drive a small car. Why?
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And those are vehicles you cant exactly get rid of. At least with pickups and SUVs I stand SOME chance in an accident with them....Unlike that Chevy Sonic in my Captcha.
I like cars like that, that seem to have a personality. My current car is like that, in which it seems to 'hug' people it likes and drive really smoothly, but gets really jumpy and aggressive like a rodeo with people it doesn't. It's weird.