So have you read the wheel of time?
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Poll: Wheel of Time...Have you read it?

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I actually just started reading it the other day and am only about 50 pages in. So I can't make a properly formed judgement yet, although I have high hopes for it.

I just finished book three, and I have to say that almost all of the lead female characters are just awful people.

Arrogant, self-absorbed, self-righteous asshats. I loathe Egwene and Nynaeve, while I merely dislike Moraine and Elayne. And then there's the fucking men, who, when faced with this asshattery, generally only respond with "oh, women are so mysterious herpa derp I'll never understand them, derp". It's infuriating, because I'm clearly supposed to empathize with the women!

Not to mention the fact that at this point in the story, the "big three"[1] seem to be the exact same character, just with varying levels of arrogance. Elayne and Egwene are almost interchangeable, while Nyneave is just such a colossal asshole that it's the only real thing that makes her stand out, in my mind.

[1] Nynaeve, Egwene and Elayne.

Read the whole series many times. Love it. Vastly better than A Song of Ice and Fire in my opinion, but not as good as the Malazan Book of the Fallen.

I made it to around book six, and I would rather pour lemon juice in my eyes than have to read any of them again.

It's interesting how polarising this series seems to be. People either say "I love them, I've read them many times and can't wait for the last one" or they say "Tried to read them but they bored me to death". Guess the world just clicks with some people and not others.

Read everything up through Knife of Dreams a year or two ago. Went to the store to pick up The Gathering Storm and they were out, so I stopped there since I would have to wait anyways. Rereading through it now and I'm pumped because in the intervening time, I've read Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy and The Way of Kings and am now a huge fan of his.

I read the first eight or nine. It started out alright (if you can get past the whole "boy destined to save the world" tired trope thing). But as it went on and dragged and dragged, I got increasingly annoyed at it. More and more I found myself not giving a "meh" about any of the characters. Until finally in the last book I read (whose name I don't remember probably because I blocked it out of my brain), literally NOTHING happens. For 700 pages, absolutely nothing happens. I kid you not. Until you get to the final chapter (and IIRC, it is quite literally on the last page), finally something occurred (one of the women was captured). It all happened in one paragraph that took 700 pages to get to. It was an utter and complete waste of my time.

You could, if you were inclined, skip the entire previous 700 pages, read the final page in the bookstore, and be all caught up for the next book, having saved yourself 20 bucks and an amount of time equivalent to however long it takes you to read that much filler.

It was at that point that I said, "that's it, I'm done". I haven't gone back since. After that I discovered GRR Martin's SoIaF, and while that series has it's own set of issues (mostly due to the author's lack of inclination to actually work on the project), I could never go back to WoT, which is, in comparison, a children's story. I like less stereotypical tropes, more gritty realism in my fantasy books, I guess.

I read alot of it. But by book 7, I just had to give up. All the political stuff that was going on.. I couldnt follow it. It was at the stage where I was reading chaper after chapter just to see what the main guys were up to.

I did not have the stamina to get through it. Read it to book seven or eight, got bored of the long flight between me and any kind of advancement of the plot. Meanwhile, I started hating all of the characters, my liking of which was all that kept me going from about book 4 on.

There is a line between writing a great long epic series and filling the world up with far too much padding without any real advancement of the story. I don't expect anyone to agree with me but for me that line was crossed around book 5.

Meaning of Karma:
I just finished book three, and I have to say that almost all of the lead female characters are just awful people.

Arrogant, self-absorbed, self-righteous asshats. I loathe Egwene and Nynaeve, while I merely dislike Moraine and Elayne. And then there's the fucking men, who, when faced with this asshattery, generally only respond with "oh, women are so mysterious herpa derp I'll never understand them, derp". It's infuriating, because I'm clearly supposed to empathize with the women!

Not to mention the fact that at this point in the story, the "big three"[1] seem to be the exact same character, just with varying levels of arrogance. Elayne and Egwene are almost interchangeable, while Nyneave is just such a colossal asshole that it's the only real thing that makes her stand out, in my mind.

Yes this a thousand times this. I only liked Nyneave up to a certain point but they are all hateful hateful stuck up twits. the men are dumb as posts.

[1] Nynaeve, Egwene and Elayne.

Yeah, I read parts of it. I thought it was really good from books 3-6/7. After that, however... euh...

Pretty much all the characters just became unlikeable (Rand, Perrin, all the women but Min and Brigette) or boring (min, Thom). The only character I still liked was Matt, and they didn't do nearly enough with him.

Long story short: Too many characters (almost none of them likeable), too many plotlines (few of them interesting), just too much BS.

Stopped reading.

Then my favorite author got picked to finish the series... That's a tricky situation.

Womplord:
I want to read it, but book 1 is always missing from book shops.

Try this website

http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/

They're a lot cheaper than bookstores and they deliver free worldwide.I've been buying nearly all my books from them for the last few years now

been reading the series when I have time and am in posession of the next book, right now I'm on six, just started it a few weeks ago but christmas and new years and video games and work have stopped me from sitting down and reading it.

Edit: As a film student/film maker I would love to adapt these books into movies. Personally I think it can be done without sacrificing anything that is important to the story. And by that I mean cutting out bits of filler and things that don't have use. The one issue I have with the series being adapted though, is that there is way too much of the "thinking on the page" type stuff, where you read a characters thoughts, don't know how you would get those feelings across in a film.

That's one of my film-making dreams, turning that fantastic (so far) series into something for a screen.

I just started reading the first book. I tried to read it in fifth grade, but the text was so tiny I couldn't keep my place, and I couldn't really get into it, especially with how incredibly descriptive the books are. Also it was for a book report, and as you know, book reports suck all the fun from anything you read. I'm a college grad now, and I'm having a much better time of it! I had nearly forgotten about the Wheel of Time, but then I got into reading Brandon Sanderson's work, and that lead me back to it.

I've read every book except 10, which was too dull to finish. Really looking forward to the last installment. Books 12 and 13 really picked up the pace and made me very excited to see how it all turns out. Shame about books 6-10, though. I think they turn a lot of people off the series.

To be perfectly honest, I think Brandon Sanderson is a better writer than Robert Jordan. Jordan dreamed up the world, but he also bogged it down with superfluous and redundant details. Since Sanderson took over, the writing has improved and the dialogue is better (which really benefits characters like Mat), though perhaps this is a product of everything speeding up as we reach the grand finale. Regardless of who's writing them, though, the action scenes have always been REALLY good in my opinion, no matter the quality of the rest of the writing.

I've been wondering how to adapt the books to film, and I think a TV series a la Game of Thrones would be the best option if the budget was available. You could cover one to three books a season, perhaps, giving ample time to cover all the major plot points and establish all the necessary lore, not to mention create a visual representation of the One Power which people will understand.

EscapeGoat:
I picked up the first 11 for about 15 quid earlier this year from a charity store, but I've not really got round to sitting down and reading them. I've heard quite a lot about them though, and most of it's good. All I've done so far is a quick read through the prologue of the first book. It wasn't quite as gripping as I'd hoped it would be, but there's some big ideas thrown around. I reckon once I get the time to sit down and read them I'll quite enjoy them.

Yep, it does quite a bit of slow revealing. I just picked up the lot on (unabridged) audio book to listen to while I was painting my flat and the prologue seemed a bit confusing and disjointed and I've read it once. I am enjoying it though, does slow down between 7 - 10, when I think Rigney got sick, but picks up when Sanderson takes over.

Sandersons other series, of which one book is written, is is worth a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_of_Kings haven't got round to mistborn yet.

Meaning of Karma:
I just finished book three, and I have to say that almost all of the lead female characters are just awful people.

Arrogant, self-absorbed, self-righteous asshats. I loathe Egwene and Nynaeve, while I merely dislike Moraine and Elayne. And then there's the fucking men, who, when faced with this asshattery, generally only respond with "oh, women are so mysterious herpa derp I'll never understand them, derp". It's infuriating, because I'm clearly supposed to empathize with the women!

Not to mention the fact that at this point in the story, the "big three"[1] seem to be the exact same character, just with varying levels of arrogance. Elayne and Egwene are almost interchangeable, while Nyneave is just such a colossal asshole that it's the only real thing that makes her stand out, in my mind.

Well all i can say is the girls get better eventually egwene is now one of my favorite characters, and try to hold out for Faile and berelain they are at least rather intresting

[1] Nynaeve, Egwene and Elayne.

No but I played the shit out of the Wheel of Time MUD back in the day.

Zetona:
Jordan dreamed up the world, but he also bogged it down with superfluous and redundant details.

I have to agree with you on that one. Like a lot of others have posted, I made it up to "Crossroads of Twilight," skimmed "Knife of Dreams" & then just stopped. I loved the world that Jordan created too, as well as discovering it with these characters from a rural place who never dreamed of seeing all the different settings. But once the books became primers in the intricacies of Daes Dae'mar, I really stopped caring.

I have to say, though, that the series is special to me in a lot of different ways. It was one of the last extensive fantasy series I invested time & emotion into (the last being Janny Wurts' Wars of Light & Shadow. . .if she ever finishes it). It taught me the patience & endurance needed to take on the classic long epics of Southern & Russian literature. And Jordan was the first author whose signings nearby excited me.

I have never meet a single person before that read it, this makes me unbelievable happy. I intend to reread all of them before reading memory of light. Later on in the series I started disliking everyone except Mat. I guess I just got tired of them, but I still enjoyed the hell out of it

Read a decent pile of them when I was a teenager. Don't ever plan to go back to them - don't remember half of what I read, and like hell I'm rereading them - but I've heard good things about the guy who took over for Jordan.

Fuckin' terrible cover art, though. Jesus.

I've read them all.
And, Janjotat, there are several fan-sites devoted to it. There are tens of thousands of users between them, and even more that don't even use the internet.

Also, Book 14, the Final One. (At least, of the main-series) comes out Jan. 8th.

Its going to be epic.
And you can read the prologue and up to chapter 3, and I think chapter 13? Some free, some not.

I've heard of it, but no I've not read and I'm not likely to start anytime soon either. I've got too many other books series that I'd like to finish first which, due to my general lack of reading lately, probably wont happen soon either.

Im just re-reading the series now. First time around I got to book 10 then gave up. Remembering why I really dislike most of the female cast.

Krantos:
Yeah, I read parts of it. I thought it was really good from books 3-6/7. After that, however... euh...

Pretty much all the characters just became unlikeable (Rand, Perrin, all the women but Min and Brigette) or boring (min, Thom). The only character I still liked was Matt, and they didn't do nearly enough with him.

Long story short: Too many characters (almost none of them likeable), too many plotlines (few of them interesting), just too much BS.

Stopped reading.

Then my favorite author got picked to finish the series... That's a tricky situation.

I think Mat is the only reason anyone kept reading.

We got an inexplicably good FPS out of the series back in 1999, at least. Shame it came out at the same time as Unreal Tournament and Quake 3.

I read a sample of it and was bored almost instantly. I don't know...maybe it gets better but the premise doesn't grab me. People keep praising it though so maybe I'll read it eventually.

greyscarf:

Zetona:
Jordan dreamed up the world, but he also bogged it down with superfluous and redundant details.

I have to agree with you on that one. Like a lot of others have posted, I made it up to "Crossroads of Twilight," skimmed "Knife of Dreams" & then just stopped. I loved the world that Jordan created too, as well as discovering it with these characters from a rural place who never dreamed of seeing all the different settings. But once the books became primers in the intricacies of Daes Dae'mar, I really stopped caring.

I have to say, though, that the series is special to me in a lot of different ways. It was one of the last extensive fantasy series I invested time & emotion into (the last being Janny Wurts' Wars of Light & Shadow. . .if she ever finishes it). It taught me the patience & endurance needed to take on the classic long epics of Southern & Russian literature. And Jordan was the first author whose signings nearby excited me.

It's worth reading "The Gathering Storm" and "Towers of Midnight". Firstly, Sanderson wrote most of them, which means the quality of writing improves. More importantly, shit gets real early on in "The Gathering Storm" and stays that way. Plot twists come thick and fast, there are some crazy action scenes, and several characters get moments of incredible badassery. It all got me pumped for the final installment.

Listening to the audiobook right now xD

janjotat:
I have never meet a single person before that read it, this makes me unbelievable happy. I intend to reread all of them before reading memory of light. Later on in the series I started disliking everyone except Mat. I guess I just got tired of them, but I still enjoyed the hell out of it

Thats why i started the thread cause no one i meet has read them

I quit after book nine. And considering I was still in my teens when I read that book and I'm turning THIRTY this year, I think I made the right choice. Not to mention all that smoothing of skirts and "Oh Rand u so smexy, take me now u beast" that the females in the books did drove me up the flipping wall.

I did like Mat and Perrin though.

Just a random note for those on the fan side of the discussion
http://phoenixalthor.deviantart.com/journal/Wheel-Of-Time-Feature-345547338 check out the awesome fanart XD

Read the entire series. Quite enjoyed it.

trollnystan:
I quit after book nine. And considering I was still in my teens when I read that book and I'm turning THIRTY this year, I think I made the right choice. Not to mention all that smoothing of skirts and "Oh Rand u so smexy, take me now u beast" that the females in the books did drove me up the flipping wall.

I did like Mat and Perrin though.

I always viewed the rand thing as part of how powerful of a Ta'veren he is. Just being in a city causes birth rates to raise, so imagine what effect a personal meeting would have with him. On the up side he has limited his bigotry to just three of them (with an obvious preference to Min). On the topic of women being un-relatable, I can see that to an extent. But there are a few good shiny examples in my opinion. Min tends to remain her own woman and is quite reasonable (most of the time) and Cadsuane is an amazing strong female character. Cadsuane is better than most of the "strong female" types you see in video games anyhow. He over did her "wisdom" a bit in my opinion, as he did with Verin, though she was a bit of a mystery.

OT: Yes I have read them all, and I am forcing my girlfriend to listen to them on CD during our road trips (which are fairly frequent), thus far she has enjoyed them quite a bit, though I hold some reservations once we get to books 7-10 (they tend to get a bit dull there). If she can make it through the lull before the storm (gathering storm that is), I think she will like the series as well.

Off Topic, how about Sword of Truth? How many people have read this one and like it. I am quite fond of it, though I am not a big fan of the recurring rape theme.

Zetona:

greyscarf:

Zetona:
Jordan dreamed up the world, but he also bogged it down with superfluous and redundant details.

I have to agree with you on that one. Like a lot of others have posted, I made it up to "Crossroads of Twilight," skimmed "Knife of Dreams" & then just stopped. I loved the world that Jordan created too, as well as discovering it with these characters from a rural place who never dreamed of seeing all the different settings. But once the books became primers in the intricacies of Daes Dae'mar, I really stopped caring.

I have to say, though, that the series is special to me in a lot of different ways. It was one of the last extensive fantasy series I invested time & emotion into (the last being Janny Wurts' Wars of Light & Shadow. . .if she ever finishes it). It taught me the patience & endurance needed to take on the classic long epics of Southern & Russian literature. And Jordan was the first author whose signings nearby excited me.

It's worth reading "The Gathering Storm" and "Towers of Midnight". Firstly, Sanderson wrote most of them, which means the quality of writing improves. More importantly, shit gets real early on in "The Gathering Storm" and stays that way. Plot twists come thick and fast, there are some crazy action scenes, and several characters get moments of incredible badassery. It all got me pumped for the final installment.

Thanks for the suggestion! I've been thinking about it since hearing that the last one was coming out.

Working my way through the series now, at the end of the Path of Daggers it is becoming a bit of a slog and the characters are getting irritating, but I'll get through it. (It took me four years to read a tale of two cities) Especially with this thread promising better things to come.

Strangely what's annoyed me the most about the last couple of books has been how nothing really happens and then right at the end some big fight erupts. or maybe I'm just not really paying attention to what I'm reading.

barbzilla:

Off Topic, how about Sword of Truth? How many people have read this one and like it. I am quite fond of it, though I am not a big fan of the recurring rape theme.

Read it all except for the Omen Machine. It annoyed me how freaking bloody perfect Richard is and how everyone simply loves him.

I watched the Television adaption too, before I read the books mind, I enjoyed that. I'm not sure I could watch it now though, knowing the plot and characters of the books.

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