Rick Santorum: "Pensioners being killed in the Netherlands"

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Seekster:
Yeah Euthanasia is a big no-no for Social Conservatives, I am to the left of Santorum and even I am not comfortable with it. Besides for prisoners isnt that kind of a way to get out of serving your time?

I wasn't sure where the question about prisoners comes from, but for them the same rules would apply, meaning unbearable and endless suffering.

If a prisoner is already terminally ill, they're already soon going to be leaving in a box, no matter what.

Blablahb:

Seekster:
Yeah Euthanasia is a big no-no for Social Conservatives, I am to the left of Santorum and even I am not comfortable with it. Besides for prisoners isnt that kind of a way to get out of serving your time?

I wasn't sure where the question about prisoners comes from, but for them the same rules would apply, meaning unbearable and endless suffering.

If a prisoner is already terminally ill, they're already soon going to be leaving in a box, no matter what.

So they don't practice this sort of thing in Scotland, like with Lockerbie type cases?

Seekster:
Yeah Euthanasia is a big no-no for Social Conservatives, I am to the left of Santorum and even I am not comfortable with it. Besides for prisoners isnt that kind of a way to get out of serving your time?

No kidding, I know people left of Obama who aren't comfortable with it, for many of the same reasons that they're against, say, suicide being legal. It's not a clear-cut issue, and although I in support of it (given the proper mandatory counseling and ensuring that the people involved really want it and are sane beforehand), I can definitely understand how it's an issue.

Danyal:

Knight Templar:

Sounds like a DNR, doesn't the USA have that in some form?

Ah yes, it's a 'DNR-bracelet'. By the way, I'm from the Netherlands ;)

I am aware that you are from there, I may not post much these days but I still read.

Seekster:

Blablahb:

Seekster:
Yeah Euthanasia is a big no-no for Social Conservatives, I am to the left of Santorum and even I am not comfortable with it. Besides for prisoners isnt that kind of a way to get out of serving your time?

I wasn't sure where the question about prisoners comes from, but for them the same rules would apply, meaning unbearable and endless suffering.

If a prisoner is already terminally ill, they're already soon going to be leaving in a box, no matter what.

So they don't practice this sort of thing in Scotland, like with Lockerbie type cases?

No that's just Scotland trying to do global diplomacy :P

In all seriousness it's more of a compassion argument for terminally ill prisoners that they might spend the last few days/weeks of their life in the place of their choosing. Sort of like a last request/meal for the soon to be deceased. They die of natural causes but are allowed to do so in the place they want instead of the prison on the rare occasion this sort of thing comes up.

TheGuy(wantstobe):

Seekster:

Blablahb:
I wasn't sure where the question about prisoners comes from, but for them the same rules would apply, meaning unbearable and endless suffering.

If a prisoner is already terminally ill, they're already soon going to be leaving in a box, no matter what.

So they don't practice this sort of thing in Scotland, like with Lockerbie type cases?

No that's just Scotland trying to do global diplomacy :P

In all seriousness it's more of a compassion argument for terminally ill prisoners that they might spend the last few days/weeks of their life in the place of their choosing. Sort of like a last request/meal for the soon to be deceased. They die of natural causes but are allowed to do so in the place they want instead of the prison on the rare occasion this sort of thing comes up.

Wait a minute...is it cheaper to euthanize them than to keep them in prison?

Chemical Alia:
Oh wow. This is is one of those crazy things my grandmother has been telling me for years. She's a super Catholic, and the church has got her believing that they "kill all the old people in Holland" against their will and that we'll go down the same route in America if we don't stop "killing all the babies" and "having pets". I thought it was just one of her crazier fringe ideas since I never heard it from anyone else, but now I see I was mistaken.

My grandad is the same way. He believed in the "death panels" thing too. I hope I'm not as stupid as he is when I am his age.

Seekster:

TheGuy(wantstobe):

Seekster:

So they don't practice this sort of thing in Scotland, like with Lockerbie type cases?

No that's just Scotland trying to do global diplomacy :P

In all seriousness it's more of a compassion argument for terminally ill prisoners that they might spend the last few days/weeks of their life in the place of their choosing. Sort of like a last request/meal for the soon to be deceased. They die of natural causes but are allowed to do so in the place they want instead of the prison on the rare occasion this sort of thing comes up.

Wait a minute...is it cheaper to euthanize them than to keep them in prison?

Where are you getting the idea that there is euthanasia in the prison system?

All I was talking about was that when a prisoner has a week or two to live due to a terminal illness the courts sometimes let them spend those last few days they have in the place of their choosing, not that they help them along.

tstorm823:
It's ok Rick. Even if 10% of the Netherlands were getting euthanasia, 100% of Rick Santorums bring their stillborn baby corpse home to introduce to their living children.

And isn't forced euthanasia an oxymoron?

Apparantly the baby wasn't stillborn. It died 2 hours after birth. THEN they took it home. That makes it SO much better.

OT: Back when this started, I KNEW there was anyone in the election worse than Perry. Then I found Gingrich. Then I KNEW there was no one worse than Gingrich. Then Santorum came along. NOW I KNOW THERE IS NO ONE WORSE THAN HIM.

Imagine what I'll KNOW tomorrow.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

tstorm823:
It's ok Rick. Even if 10% of the Netherlands were getting euthanasia, 100% of Rick Santorums bring their stillborn baby corpse home to introduce to their living children.

And isn't forced euthanasia an oxymoron?

Apparantly the baby wasn't stillborn. It died 2 hours after birth. THEN they took it home. That makes it SO much better.

Wh-what!? WHAT!? THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED OH GODS WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS FRUITCAKE.

Listen to me nations of the world! If Santorum is elected, please, have mercy and destroy us in a wave of nuclear fire!

TheDarkEricDraven:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

tstorm823:
It's ok Rick. Even if 10% of the Netherlands were getting euthanasia, 100% of Rick Santorums bring their stillborn baby corpse home to introduce to their living children.

And isn't forced euthanasia an oxymoron?

Apparantly the baby wasn't stillborn. It died 2 hours after birth. THEN they took it home. That makes it SO much better.

Wh-what!? WHAT!? THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED OH GODS WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS FRUITCAKE.

He wanted to make sure that his children (most of which were probably too young to really understand "death") knew that "they had a baby brother". Yeah, it's pretty fucked-up. On a lighter note: I wonder if it had started to stink by then? :V

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Apparantly the baby wasn't stillborn. It died 2 hours after birth. THEN they took it home. That makes it SO much better.

OT: Back when this started, I KNEW there was anyone in the election worse than Perry. Then I found Gingrich. Then I KNEW there was no one worse than Gingrich. Then Santorum came along. NOW I KNOW THERE IS NO ONE WORSE THAN HIM.

Imagine what I'll KNOW tomorrow.

Who can say, Agent K.

The extreme right in this country makes shit up all the time. Their voters don't know better, and won't go out of their way to learn otherwise because it doesn't back up their need for outrage.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/politics/UNCUT-Rick-Santorum-in-Shelby-Township/-/1719386/8800230/-/t5vkg7/-/index.html

He said this the other day in Shelby Township (where I grew up). At 7:50 he goes on an anti-intellectual rant (confusing education with divine right, conveniently imo) and also seems to think that life expectancy increased because the U.S. got rid of monarchs and government... nevermind all those damned intellectuals who know better than you discovering antibiotics and making medical advances... Nope. That wasn't why because it would run against his convoluted message (and support science, uh oh). I also love the part where he says eastern Michigan was built by the 1%. Sure, it was to a large extent. But don't think they gave us everything. People had to unionize because the bigwigs were total assholes. Don't smoke, don't do this, you can't do this, look this way, oppose the labor laws, send gangsters to attack union members, shoot Walter Reuther at his house (twice. on seperate occasions), support European Fascism... don't think they were freedom loving Americans. They were rich bastards of the typical sort and the people banded together and responded. If anyone tells you unions killed the auto industry, then they sure as fuck don't know anybody who worked here. They shut down lines to complain that parts weren't quality or that machines needed maintenance only to have management force them back to work. Cars fuck up, don't sell, reputation goes down the drain, and guess who gets fired first? The average fuck on the line. Never you mind Dear American, that those high wages put thousands of kids through college and made the economy here a thundering juggernaut for most of the 1900s. Why was it so many southerners moved here for work? Because it paid fucking well.

They just make shit up guys. Nobody in the U.S. cares about the truth.

Enslave_All_Elves:
They just make shit up guys. Nobody in the U.S. cares about the truth.

Surely not everybody, not even all republican voters can be that careless? I'm from a community much like the rural conservatives that would back the republicans if in the US, and what I remember is people mostly not knowing stuff due to isolation from the rest of society and from knowledge. It's not like they try to pick which newspaper to read and then go "Oh screw, I don't want to know anything at all". It sort of just happens in their case.

TheDarkEricDraven:

Wh-what!? WHAT!? THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED OH GODS WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS FRUITCAKE.

Listen to me nations of the world! If Santorum is elected, please, have mercy and destroy us in a wave of nuclear fire!

Stagnant:

He wanted to make sure that his children (most of which were probably too young to really understand "death") knew that "they had a baby brother". Yeah, it's pretty fucked-up. On a lighter note: I wonder if it had started to stink by then? :V

According to something I read on Washington post this was encouraged for a while and then phased out. Don't quite see why anyone would do it otherwise. For the record I view him as a totalitarian reactionary.

Just what hey warned - those "horrendous" DNR bracelets have already spread to Wisconsin! http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/ems/emssection/DNR.htm. :)

CherylA:
Just what hey warned - those "horrendous" DNR bracelets have already spread to Wisconsin! http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/ems/emssection/DNR.htm. :)

I get 'The page cannot be found' error in that case, but judging by the acronym in the url, it's about 'do not reanimate' bracelets being sold by the state of Wisconsin?

Blablahb:

CherylA:
Just what hey warned - those "horrendous" DNR bracelets have already spread to Wisconsin! http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/ems/emssection/DNR.htm. :)

I get 'The page cannot be found' error in that case, but judging by the acronym in the url, it's about 'do not reanimate' bracelets being sold by the state of Wisconsin?

removing the period on the end of the url works :)

http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/ems/emssection/DNR.htm
maybe it is the end of a sentence but it doesn't belong in the url

tstorm823:
It's ok Rick. Even if 10% of the Netherlands were getting euthanasia, 100% of Rick Santorums bring their stillborn baby corpse home to introduce to their living children.

What the fuck am I reading?!

Yeah, I think I would prefer having Mitt as the Republican front runner.

He may be evil, but he is at least smart enough to be the part of an amoral evil mastermind who weaves intricate, Machiavellian style webs of intrigue to get what he wants, rather than a hateful bigot stuck in the 50s.

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SacremPyrobolum:

He may be evil, but he is at least smart enough to be the part of an amoral evil mastermind who weaves intricate, Machiavellian style webs of intrigue to get what he wants, rather than a hateful bigot stuck in the 50s.

I don't think people in the fifties took dead fetuses home to show to their children.

Rick Santorum is really beginning to look like a character from the Fallout-universe.

...I'll just go and let that sink in for a while. Then I'm going to build an inner core refuge.

Seekster:
Wait a minute...you mean they actually ARE euthanizing prisoners in the Netherlands?

I think you have mis-read pensioners as 'prisoners'.

There is no mention of 'prisoners' in the thread until your post.

Tubez:
Meh I've gotten used to people spreading false information about Sweden/Scandinavia so I do not really see this as shocking.

But I got to wonder why anyone would be so dumb to lie about something that is very easy to disprove and considering that you are trying to become the president of US...

And I guess he is trying to pull the Socialism is bad M'kay...

Forgive me if my knowledge of Geography is off, but aren't Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia not part of the Netherlands? I thought that was mostly just the Dutch.

Anyways, Santorum could really stand to tone down the lying, 10% of an entire country's population dying due to Euthanasia is an absurdly large number, that would almost be implying that there's a government sanctioned Genocide going on.

america is killing all its citizens not just pensioners, have you seen the shit they call food.

reonhato:
america is killing all its citizens not just pensioners, have you seen the shit they call food.

My counter to that: Exhibit A

Joking aside, just to be clear, what are you talking about? Safety standards?

reonhato:
america is killing all its citizens not just pensioners, have you seen the shit they call food.

TBF, Santorum never said killing pensioners in the Netherlands was necessarily a bad thing, did he?

I don't know if he's ever been to the Netherlands, but it's quite possible that he's met a few online or something, got into an argument, couldn't think of a comeback and is going "nyer, you're going to get killed by your government".

...

Ok, probably not, but that's only marginally stupider than what the truth appears to be.

CM156:

reonhato:
america is killing all its citizens not just pensioners, have you seen the shit they call food.

My counter to that: Exhibit A

Joking aside, just to be clear, what are you talking about? Safety standards?

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i mean we eat some crap in australia, we arnt exactly the healthiest eaters but deep fried butter... really

reonhato:

CM156:

reonhato:
america is killing all its citizens not just pensioners, have you seen the shit they call food.

My counter to that: Exhibit A

Joking aside, just to be clear, what are you talking about? Safety standards?

image

image

i mean we eat some crap in australia, we arnt exactly the healthiest eaters but deep fried butter... really

If you took off all of those meat patties except one, it'd probably be pretty delicious.

Like how do you even fit that in your mouth?

Seekster:

Stagnant:

Seekster:
Wait a minute...you mean they actually ARE euthanizing prisoners in the Netherlands?

I imagine that it's an option, in the sense that it's an option for anyone else. Euthanasia, of course, directly implying that it's not forced.

Yeah Euthanasia is a big no-no for Social Conservatives, I am to the left of Santorum and even I am not comfortable with it. Besides for prisoners isnt that kind of a way to get out of serving your time?

Out of interest, why aren't you comfortable with allowing an old, suffering person to peacefully end their life without wasting away for months on end in pain whilst being a drain on their family's well-being and finances?

Zekksta:
If you took off all of those meat patties except one, it'd probably be pretty delicious.

Like how do you even fit that in your mouth?

The US is run by snake people, everyone knows that.

feli'city rontec

I hope the former is a typo, and not some precious snowflake's name.

thaluikhain:

Zekksta:

Like how do you even fit that in your mouth?

The US is run by snake people, everyone knows that.

They prefer the term "Reptoid-Americans".

Ah, American politics.
So entertaining, and at once so disturbing.
To think that someone actually votes for these people.

SillyBear:

Seekster:

Stagnant:

I imagine that it's an option, in the sense that it's an option for anyone else. Euthanasia, of course, directly implying that it's not forced.

Yeah Euthanasia is a big no-no for Social Conservatives, I am to the left of Santorum and even I am not comfortable with it. Besides for prisoners isnt that kind of a way to get out of serving your time?

Out of interest, why aren't you comfortable with allowing an old, suffering person to peacefully end their life without wasting away for months on end in pain whilst being a drain on their family's well-being and finances?

Because my Grandfather is doing that right now.

That aside if a person is literally on their deathbed and nothing can save them and they are going to be in pain for the little time they have left, sure ok taking them off life support and allowing them to die if they want that is fine. However a doctor should never be asked to purposely and actively end a life (that is doing something to end a life that would persist if they did nothing).

Witty Name Here:

Forgive me if my knowledge of Geography is off, but aren't Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia not part of the Netherlands? I thought that was mostly just the Dutch.

Anyways, Santorum could really stand to tone down the lying, 10% of an entire country's population dying due to Euthanasia is an absurdly large number, that would almost be implying that there's a government sanctioned Genocide going on.

Aye, Scandinavia and the Netherlands are different, one being a geological entity, one being a nation. I think be brought it up since they're rather similar, and right-wing nutters have been making up shite about both ever since they found out noone who matters is going to double-check.

And I suppose to the likes of Rick Roll here, they're fairly interchangable bolshevik pagan-states you can point at and laugh.

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